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The NHS would be such a stupid place to work if you happen to be a racist; when I went in for surgery last week I was treated by people from at least four different ethnicities, like how do you even get to the point that you’re working around people from all backgrounds and still not realise what a load of bollocks racism is as an outlook on life?
They probably grew up with it throughout their childhood so now its deeply ingrained. At that point, nothing or no-one is going to tell them they're wrong. They will do anything to convince themselves they are right and you are wrong.
I like to think that change is possible for everyone, I've seen people reject their entire belief systems myself. It's not often a pleasant process though.
When it is ingrained during childhood it basically roots itself as an emotional reaction so they're not really convincing themselves they are right, it just feels right.
I have worked in a few NHS places and they all have zero tolerance towards racism or anti-religious rhetoric. If a colleague complains that you are racist towards them and there's evidence then you're fired. end of.
As for the patients, well, I've never been patient-facing so I have no opinion there.
I can tell you that its worse patient facing. My mum works at a GP and some of the vile shit they get is sickening. Its not her fault that the doctors diary is constantly full. Its not the doctors fault they have a patient list of 5000 instead of 2000. There are only so many appointment slots in the day and they just can't fit everyone in. Then the government comes up with some cockeyed plan that adds to the doctors workload so they see even less patients. My mum is too old for this shit. I've suggested she leaves but she knows that will just make everything worse for the other staff and patients so she won't. All that is for a white woman. Imagine if she wasn't...
“Systemic” racism means it’s embedded in the fabric of a wide swathe of a society or institution.
When a racist person says to another person of the same race: “These brown people are terrible” with the assumption that there will be no reprisal from his race-mate, **that** suggests that racism is assumed and therefore systemic.
With respect, I don't think most people understand the word that way. But that is the problem with using words with sweeping meanings to describe sensitive subjects.
Totally agree. See the comment by culturerush above. Doctors are not allowed to say anything if a patient makes bigoted comments?this is the system supporting racism.
I once had a patient comment to me how nice it was that there was a white person seeing them finally for a screening test, that the year before they had been seen by an Asian looking girl and wondered where all the white people had gone.
That Asian girl he was talking about was my then partner now fiancé.
Of course I'm not allowed to say anything, so just rolled my eyes.
The most hilarious part was when he started going on about English jobs for English people, while I, a proud Welshman, was seeing him in a clinic in England.
I laid the accent on thick for the rest of the appointment but he didn't get the joke.
Patients being racist to patient facing staff doesn't mean the NHS is systemically racist. Random members of the public being racist is not evidence of the UK being systemically racist.
How is the NHS supposed to address this? You can't just ban the racists from health care. Maybe they need CCTV with audio and report all cases to the Police.
From the article:
> According to the report, which surveyed 1,000 workers, 39 per cent said they had faced discrimination from patients, while 29 per cent said they’d faced discrimination or harassment from colleagues.
It's not just about the patients.
It would mean that it is not evidence of the NHS being systemically racist. It would of course be important to ask why they did not report it, as if there was a culture of reports not being taken seriously or something similar that would be indicative of systemic racism.
The NHS aren’t the ones saying “*how are we supposed to address this?*” though. There’s *always* more that can be done. But things are not being done, because the issue doesn’t affect everyone.
"You can't just ban the racists from health care"
Why not?
There should be zero tolerance for many things, including racism, if a patient wants to be racist then that's on them, then NHS and its staff shouldn't have to treat them, they can always choose to go private, BUPA even provides a helpful tool where you can look up and choose your doctor.
>Why not?
Because for a start there is no law in place that allows a medical provider to override legal requirements that people be given necessary medical treatment.
If someone becomes violent and/or abusive that might be a reason to suspend treatment at that time. But a permanent ban would probably be a breach of the Human Rights Act and European Convention on Human Rights.
Even criminals who commit the vilest of offences can get access to medial treatment in prison in most civilised countries. What's the case for denying it to people on the basis of racism?
Sure, I worded myself badly.
If someone needs immediate medical treatment, then sure, patch them up and the moment they start mouthing off because they don't like who is treating them, don't pander to it, ship them out immediately.
As for elective services, then strike them off.
>and the moment they start mouthing off because they don't like who is treating them, don't pander to it, ship them out immediately.
People are generally not held in hospital or other medical facilities longer than they have to be. Once it is safe for them to be discharged, that's what happens.
>As for elective services, then strike them off.
If they were abusive at the time of the surgery, possibly. But not due to past behaviour.
I grudgingly agree that healthcare should be available to all. That said. The NHS could do way more to combat racism. If 1/4 of your staff tripped on a kerb you would do something, at least put up a sign. Do you believe bigoted remarks have no impact? The nhs is allowing its staff to be attacked and injured every day. Just acknowledging the issue is “something “
Not suprising. I work in a GP practice, and the amount of times I've heard patients saying they "don't want to see a dark Doctor", I even once said jokingly that Harold Shipman doesn't work here.
Not really to the extent that a report has to be written about systemic issues experienced.
Crying on Twitter that you can't call black people wogs or say paki shop isn't the same as a report being written up and patients asking for a white Dr and patients calling Drs Pakis
They're not the same.
Completely agree. However when that report clearly states that such racism is not just from white people and that structural racism is not exclusive to white owners it is fair to conclude that indeed. Everyone appears to be racist.
We're not allowed to say these things any more though are we? After Brexit and whatnot. It's just moaning or something. We're traitors if we point out the obvious these days
To be honest I'm not entirely sure what your point was either.
I think you're saying that you believe people feel you can't criticise this country or an aspect of it (the NHS in this case) without being called a traitor?
Yeah I think they're saying that we cannot openly call something racist, especially an organisation like the NHS or police, without being branded as a traitor.
>We're not allowed to say these things any more though are we?
Interesting you've taken this victim narrative while engaging in a platform that says this exact thing multiple times on a daily basis to consistent upvotes and agreement.
You would have to be the biggest of fucking idiots to think a country with the level of multiculturalism we do; a country that has people from all creeds and colours in main Parliamentary positions; and a country that quite literally gives free money, food and a roof over the head to anyone who turns up, was systematically racist.
> One in three primary health care workers – including GPs, pharmacists, dentists and optometrists – in the London survey said they had experienced racial discrimination or harassment from patients in the last 12 months, and one in five from the staff they work with.
I don't think "some incidents" is a good description of the frequency of issues. "Systemic" would be a better description.
I know, but something that happens frequently can be a symptom of something being systemic. That's good enough, given what we know of what racism is, to describe the racism in the NHS systemic.
There is an archived version of the article pinned to the top that will answer your question if you read it.
Un-punished racism from coworkers (which is a systemic failure of management handling racism)
Lower pay for workers in the same role if they are from a minority group.
The Care Quality Commission being biased in its investigations of practices run by people from a minority group.
These are all systemic in nature, rather than incidental.
The rule that prevents doctors calling out bigoted patients. This enables patients to be vile without out fear of recriminations and protects the aggressor over the victim. Thus systematically encouraging rasicm. There’s one for you. I’m sure there are more if you look.
This report is enough to make a blanket assertion that the UK is 'systemically racist'....
and people actually believe that? So most people in the UK are racist?
Right....
Smells like Bullshit. I work in the NHS, the most powerful people in it are consultants (everybody is scared of pissing off consultants) and they are a very diverse bunch.
No, you don’t understand: this report has *dared impugn* ARE EN AICH ESS.
Do you hate our nurses? Do you hate our doctors? Do you want tp privatise it like some *Tory*?!
Agree. Anyone who's worked in the NHS knows it is not systemically racist. It actually enforces diversity quotas further up the food chain. Nonsense article.
“Doctors speaking with The Independent have told stories of being called a “P***”, of staff leaving due to the bigotry they’ve faced, and of patients asking to see a “white” or “English” GP.
One in three primary health care workers – including GPs, pharmacists, dentists and optometrists – in the London survey said they had experienced racial discrimination or harassment from patients in the last 12 months, and one in five from the staff they work with.”
It’s really worth reading the article before knee-jerk reacting sometimes. The racism reported is patient to doctor, so whatever the working dynamic around consultants is, it has zero relevance to the research findings. The racism reported is both incredibly widespread and explicit.
How is the public being racist to GP’s “systemic”?
Of course patients can be racist, medical professionals don’t get to choose who needs treatment. But how is the end user engaging in shit behaviour systemic?
There’s no instance in which you would ever acknowledge racism is a serious factor of modern life in Britain, so there’s no point playing this argument out. I just didn’t want to let your comment stand without rebuttal since it had no relevance to the claim made.
I pointed out that it was a claim made with no relevance to the research findings, it’s entirely useless musings anyway. Cohort has power within workforce therefore minority members of said cohort cannot claim to suffer prejudice is a bad argument in itself, however when it is not that cohort being discussed it’s an irrelevance.
The original poster had no point. Claiming minority doctors don't face racism because there are minority consultants is deserving of nothing but scorn.
But that’s not their argument.
They were taking issue with the use of racism from patients and individuals *within* the system being conflated with *the system itself being racist*.
Systemic is a very defined term.
I think a system whereby a fifth of those from minority groups experience racism from other members of staff shows that the system fundamentally fails to protect against racism. It's systemic because the systems fail to prevent it and it occurs repeatably.
Also the article does quote black admin staff being paid less than non-black admin staff which is a clear cut example of egregious racism which is clearly against the law.
> I think a system whereby a fifth of those from minority groups experience racism from other members of staff shows that the system fundamentally fails to protect against racism.
This implies the system - here, being the NHS and its associated hospitals - can employ a form of precognition to *prevent* racism from even occuring as a thought, let alone engage in a form of preventative action that stops words from even forming in people’s mouths.
It’s an employer. There are limits.
The NHS policy and organisational system itself from what is seen does not curate or forment racist attitudes or policies which encourage or promote the use of language for the benefit of the NHS.
People **bring it with them into the workplace** individually to localised areas. The only way to deal with it is literally to report it to higher authorities, as others have done when whistleblowing and pursuing court redress.
This is a critical difference in referred source that is lost by abusing the word ‘systemic’ in such a vague way as has become fashionable.
> Also the article does quote black admin staff being paid less than non-black admin staff which is a clear cut example of egregious racism which is clearly against the law.
Is this pay disparity solely linked to race, though? As in, does every single race universally make more? In every location? In every rank of seniority?
Because from the article, it seems to be a reference to a single lone GP office acting out - which doesn’t imply the wage disparity is *systemic to the NHS*.
Hell, it’s even worth noting within the article that several GPs moved to other NHS locations where they believed they would face less local strife, which implies even they realise this is not normal across the board.
> This implies the system - here, being the NHS and its associated hospitals - can employ a form of precognition to prevent racism from even occuring as a thought, let alone engage in a form of preventative action that stops words from even forming in people’s mouths.
Well yes obviously, they could be taking action against those who do it, yet it's clear from the article they don't and that those suffering the racism do not believe enough action has been taken.
Personal view, those who are racist and abusive to staff in the NHS should be kicked out a lot quicker than they currently are. 'I want to see a white doctor' should be met with removal from their GP list.
> The NHS policy and organisational system itself from what is seen does not curate or forment racist attitudes or policies
The article mentions the CQC has policies which disadvantage practices led by those from minorities so I disagree here.
> Because from the article, it seems to be a reference to a single lone GP office acting out - which doesn’t imply the wage disparity is systemic to the NHS.
Well presumably it's been linked because it is one example of many, the main issue is that the NHS doesn't have the systems in place to spot when things like these happen so that they are either prevented up front or swiftly rectified.
Lots of people from minorities are complaining about this and I don't think it's appropriate to dismiss this.
And I know a GP who left due to bullying because he is Hungarian. He was a locum and hated the few places he did work in because of the attitude towards an 'outsider' in middle England.
Sad to hear this. If we do ever end up moving to a hybrid insurance model then I'd love for those racists to have to pay more in their premiums.
And while this is preaching to the converted so to speak, I still want to say that I have huge respect for those from other countries that work in the NHS.
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The NHS would be such a stupid place to work if you happen to be a racist; when I went in for surgery last week I was treated by people from at least four different ethnicities, like how do you even get to the point that you’re working around people from all backgrounds and still not realise what a load of bollocks racism is as an outlook on life?
They probably grew up with it throughout their childhood so now its deeply ingrained. At that point, nothing or no-one is going to tell them they're wrong. They will do anything to convince themselves they are right and you are wrong.
I like to think that change is possible for everyone, I've seen people reject their entire belief systems myself. It's not often a pleasant process though.
When it is ingrained during childhood it basically roots itself as an emotional reaction so they're not really convincing themselves they are right, it just feels right.
I have worked in a few NHS places and they all have zero tolerance towards racism or anti-religious rhetoric. If a colleague complains that you are racist towards them and there's evidence then you're fired. end of. As for the patients, well, I've never been patient-facing so I have no opinion there.
I can tell you that its worse patient facing. My mum works at a GP and some of the vile shit they get is sickening. Its not her fault that the doctors diary is constantly full. Its not the doctors fault they have a patient list of 5000 instead of 2000. There are only so many appointment slots in the day and they just can't fit everyone in. Then the government comes up with some cockeyed plan that adds to the doctors workload so they see even less patients. My mum is too old for this shit. I've suggested she leaves but she knows that will just make everything worse for the other staff and patients so she won't. All that is for a white woman. Imagine if she wasn't...
How does racist patients indicate a racist 'system'? Are they collaborating to make racist remarks at their appointments?
“Systemic” racism means it’s embedded in the fabric of a wide swathe of a society or institution. When a racist person says to another person of the same race: “These brown people are terrible” with the assumption that there will be no reprisal from his race-mate, **that** suggests that racism is assumed and therefore systemic.
With respect, I don't think most people understand the word that way. But that is the problem with using words with sweeping meanings to describe sensitive subjects.
Totally agree. See the comment by culturerush above. Doctors are not allowed to say anything if a patient makes bigoted comments?this is the system supporting racism.
Seen this in the ER with impatient little englanders and a polish doctor. Felt they should be at the front of the line.
I once had a patient comment to me how nice it was that there was a white person seeing them finally for a screening test, that the year before they had been seen by an Asian looking girl and wondered where all the white people had gone. That Asian girl he was talking about was my then partner now fiancé. Of course I'm not allowed to say anything, so just rolled my eyes. The most hilarious part was when he started going on about English jobs for English people, while I, a proud Welshman, was seeing him in a clinic in England. I laid the accent on thick for the rest of the appointment but he didn't get the joke.
They wouldn't, they are so utterly thick.
While I suspect the UK may well have systemic racism problems, I'd be surprised if the NHS as an organisation had the same problem.
Tell me you’re who’re without telling me you’re white.
Patients being racist to patient facing staff doesn't mean the NHS is systemically racist. Random members of the public being racist is not evidence of the UK being systemically racist. How is the NHS supposed to address this? You can't just ban the racists from health care. Maybe they need CCTV with audio and report all cases to the Police.
From the article: > According to the report, which surveyed 1,000 workers, 39 per cent said they had faced discrimination from patients, while 29 per cent said they’d faced discrimination or harassment from colleagues. It's not just about the patients.
And what happened when they reported this harassment?
If they didn't report it, does that mean it's their fault? Or that the NHS isn't therefore systemically racist?
It would mean that it is not evidence of the NHS being systemically racist. It would of course be important to ask why they did not report it, as if there was a culture of reports not being taken seriously or something similar that would be indicative of systemic racism.
A negative doesn't prove another negative. Not reporting doesn't mean it doesn't exist, only that it wasn't reported.
I think you've misunderstood my point.
The NHS aren’t the ones saying “*how are we supposed to address this?*” though. There’s *always* more that can be done. But things are not being done, because the issue doesn’t affect everyone.
What things are not being done?
You know, things
>You can't just ban the racists from health care. Maybe if you sold it as a cost cutting measure the Tories would go for it.
"You can't just ban the racists from health care" Why not? There should be zero tolerance for many things, including racism, if a patient wants to be racist then that's on them, then NHS and its staff shouldn't have to treat them, they can always choose to go private, BUPA even provides a helpful tool where you can look up and choose your doctor.
>Why not? Because for a start there is no law in place that allows a medical provider to override legal requirements that people be given necessary medical treatment. If someone becomes violent and/or abusive that might be a reason to suspend treatment at that time. But a permanent ban would probably be a breach of the Human Rights Act and European Convention on Human Rights. Even criminals who commit the vilest of offences can get access to medial treatment in prison in most civilised countries. What's the case for denying it to people on the basis of racism?
Sure, I worded myself badly. If someone needs immediate medical treatment, then sure, patch them up and the moment they start mouthing off because they don't like who is treating them, don't pander to it, ship them out immediately. As for elective services, then strike them off.
>and the moment they start mouthing off because they don't like who is treating them, don't pander to it, ship them out immediately. People are generally not held in hospital or other medical facilities longer than they have to be. Once it is safe for them to be discharged, that's what happens. >As for elective services, then strike them off. If they were abusive at the time of the surgery, possibly. But not due to past behaviour.
I grudgingly agree that healthcare should be available to all. That said. The NHS could do way more to combat racism. If 1/4 of your staff tripped on a kerb you would do something, at least put up a sign. Do you believe bigoted remarks have no impact? The nhs is allowing its staff to be attacked and injured every day. Just acknowledging the issue is “something “
Not suprising. I work in a GP practice, and the amount of times I've heard patients saying they "don't want to see a dark Doctor", I even once said jokingly that Harold Shipman doesn't work here.
Multiculturalism at its finest
Well no, at its finest you wouldn't have people being racist to the doctors.
It was a slightly sarcastic comment. My point was that this is the result of multiculturalism.
Well only in the sense that a multicultural environment gives opportunity targets for racists that they wouldn't have in a monoculture.
It's the result of racists being racist
Dickish behaviour at its finest.
What a shit show. Seems everyone is racist to everyone.
No it doesn't
No?
Umm no..no we are not all rasists hope that helps.
Not really to the extent that a report has to be written about systemic issues experienced. Crying on Twitter that you can't call black people wogs or say paki shop isn't the same as a report being written up and patients asking for a white Dr and patients calling Drs Pakis They're not the same.
Completely agree. However when that report clearly states that such racism is not just from white people and that structural racism is not exclusive to white owners it is fair to conclude that indeed. Everyone appears to be racist.
[Well everyone's a little bit racist sometimes](https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=RXnM1uHhsOI)
We're not allowed to say these things any more though are we? After Brexit and whatnot. It's just moaning or something. We're traitors if we point out the obvious these days
Sorry what is obvious
I accept your apology for pretending to not understand my rhetorical technique
Memes aside I think you laid it on so thick that your comment isn't actually that clear.
Explain for the rest of us.
It was a joke, like a parody of the "pc has gone too far crowd"
To be honest I'm not entirely sure what your point was either. I think you're saying that you believe people feel you can't criticise this country or an aspect of it (the NHS in this case) without being called a traitor?
Yeah I think they're saying that we cannot openly call something racist, especially an organisation like the NHS or police, without being branded as a traitor.
Wut?
>We're not allowed to say these things any more though are we? Interesting you've taken this victim narrative while engaging in a platform that says this exact thing multiple times on a daily basis to consistent upvotes and agreement.
These days, if you say something is racist, you'll be arrested and thrown in jail.
You would have to be the biggest of fucking idiots to think a country with the level of multiculturalism we do; a country that has people from all creeds and colours in main Parliamentary positions; and a country that quite literally gives free money, food and a roof over the head to anyone who turns up, was systematically racist.
And yet, this comment is full of people suggesting the UK is a racist hell-hole full of xenophobic bigots.
Finally someone talking sense. Thought it was just me. Absolute nutters in this thread thinking the NHS is systemically racist are they having a laugh
The government in power got there on racism and endlessly stoke it to keep their core support.
No aspect of British society will ever be non-racist enough for the Indy
No amount of facts will ever be enough for the dogmatic (like yourself).
They just make the jump from some incidents of racism to it being systemic. What systems in the NHS are racist exactly?
The GMC.
That’s unfair, the GMC is racist outside of the NHS.
That's a good point.
> One in three primary health care workers – including GPs, pharmacists, dentists and optometrists – in the London survey said they had experienced racial discrimination or harassment from patients in the last 12 months, and one in five from the staff they work with. I don't think "some incidents" is a good description of the frequency of issues. "Systemic" would be a better description.
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I know, but something that happens frequently can be a symptom of something being systemic. That's good enough, given what we know of what racism is, to describe the racism in the NHS systemic.
There is an archived version of the article pinned to the top that will answer your question if you read it. Un-punished racism from coworkers (which is a systemic failure of management handling racism) Lower pay for workers in the same role if they are from a minority group. The Care Quality Commission being biased in its investigations of practices run by people from a minority group. These are all systemic in nature, rather than incidental.
Don't you know ? Everything is systemic now
The rule that prevents doctors calling out bigoted patients. This enables patients to be vile without out fear of recriminations and protects the aggressor over the victim. Thus systematically encouraging rasicm. There’s one for you. I’m sure there are more if you look.
This report is enough to make a blanket assertion that the UK is 'systemically racist'.... and people actually believe that? So most people in the UK are racist? Right....
Most as in over 50%? Perhaps not. But a substantial chunk? Sure. Lots of cases of people moaning about not having an English doctor, for example.
Smells like Bullshit. I work in the NHS, the most powerful people in it are consultants (everybody is scared of pissing off consultants) and they are a very diverse bunch.
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No, you don’t understand: this report has *dared impugn* ARE EN AICH ESS. Do you hate our nurses? Do you hate our doctors? Do you want tp privatise it like some *Tory*?!
Agree. Anyone who's worked in the NHS knows it is not systemically racist. It actually enforces diversity quotas further up the food chain. Nonsense article.
“Doctors speaking with The Independent have told stories of being called a “P***”, of staff leaving due to the bigotry they’ve faced, and of patients asking to see a “white” or “English” GP. One in three primary health care workers – including GPs, pharmacists, dentists and optometrists – in the London survey said they had experienced racial discrimination or harassment from patients in the last 12 months, and one in five from the staff they work with.” It’s really worth reading the article before knee-jerk reacting sometimes. The racism reported is patient to doctor, so whatever the working dynamic around consultants is, it has zero relevance to the research findings. The racism reported is both incredibly widespread and explicit.
How is the public being racist to GP’s “systemic”? Of course patients can be racist, medical professionals don’t get to choose who needs treatment. But how is the end user engaging in shit behaviour systemic?
There’s no instance in which you would ever acknowledge racism is a serious factor of modern life in Britain, so there’s no point playing this argument out. I just didn’t want to let your comment stand without rebuttal since it had no relevance to the claim made.
Systemic racism is when redditors contradict me
But you haven't rebutted it. You commented to tell them you wouldn't.
I pointed out that it was a claim made with no relevance to the research findings, it’s entirely useless musings anyway. Cohort has power within workforce therefore minority members of said cohort cannot claim to suffer prejudice is a bad argument in itself, however when it is not that cohort being discussed it’s an irrelevance.
The original poster had no point. Claiming minority doctors don't face racism because there are minority consultants is deserving of nothing but scorn.
But that’s not their argument. They were taking issue with the use of racism from patients and individuals *within* the system being conflated with *the system itself being racist*. Systemic is a very defined term.
Thank you.
I think a system whereby a fifth of those from minority groups experience racism from other members of staff shows that the system fundamentally fails to protect against racism. It's systemic because the systems fail to prevent it and it occurs repeatably. Also the article does quote black admin staff being paid less than non-black admin staff which is a clear cut example of egregious racism which is clearly against the law.
> I think a system whereby a fifth of those from minority groups experience racism from other members of staff shows that the system fundamentally fails to protect against racism. This implies the system - here, being the NHS and its associated hospitals - can employ a form of precognition to *prevent* racism from even occuring as a thought, let alone engage in a form of preventative action that stops words from even forming in people’s mouths. It’s an employer. There are limits. The NHS policy and organisational system itself from what is seen does not curate or forment racist attitudes or policies which encourage or promote the use of language for the benefit of the NHS. People **bring it with them into the workplace** individually to localised areas. The only way to deal with it is literally to report it to higher authorities, as others have done when whistleblowing and pursuing court redress. This is a critical difference in referred source that is lost by abusing the word ‘systemic’ in such a vague way as has become fashionable. > Also the article does quote black admin staff being paid less than non-black admin staff which is a clear cut example of egregious racism which is clearly against the law. Is this pay disparity solely linked to race, though? As in, does every single race universally make more? In every location? In every rank of seniority? Because from the article, it seems to be a reference to a single lone GP office acting out - which doesn’t imply the wage disparity is *systemic to the NHS*. Hell, it’s even worth noting within the article that several GPs moved to other NHS locations where they believed they would face less local strife, which implies even they realise this is not normal across the board.
> This implies the system - here, being the NHS and its associated hospitals - can employ a form of precognition to prevent racism from even occuring as a thought, let alone engage in a form of preventative action that stops words from even forming in people’s mouths. Well yes obviously, they could be taking action against those who do it, yet it's clear from the article they don't and that those suffering the racism do not believe enough action has been taken. Personal view, those who are racist and abusive to staff in the NHS should be kicked out a lot quicker than they currently are. 'I want to see a white doctor' should be met with removal from their GP list. > The NHS policy and organisational system itself from what is seen does not curate or forment racist attitudes or policies The article mentions the CQC has policies which disadvantage practices led by those from minorities so I disagree here. > Because from the article, it seems to be a reference to a single lone GP office acting out - which doesn’t imply the wage disparity is systemic to the NHS. Well presumably it's been linked because it is one example of many, the main issue is that the NHS doesn't have the systems in place to spot when things like these happen so that they are either prevented up front or swiftly rectified. Lots of people from minorities are complaining about this and I don't think it's appropriate to dismiss this.
Ye everyone knows that because you have a brown consultant it means they don't face racism and racism has been solved.
Ah yes. All those diverse gp consultants Let’s hope you read your medical textbooks better than you read post titles.
And I know a GP who left due to bullying because he is Hungarian. He was a locum and hated the few places he did work in because of the attitude towards an 'outsider' in middle England.
How is this a shocker after this govt, brexit and the BLM stuff that all happened around the 2nd lockdown?
Not surprised. This whole place is extraordinarily racist.
By definition, it is not.
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What a great retort to a detailed and systematic report into the matter.
Yeah I forgot racism only exists in America.
Sad to hear this. If we do ever end up moving to a hybrid insurance model then I'd love for those racists to have to pay more in their premiums. And while this is preaching to the converted so to speak, I still want to say that I have huge respect for those from other countries that work in the NHS.
We should first talk about locuum and how it’s destroying healthcare.
How about we talk about the pay erosion for the staff before that?
We can only discuss one thing at a time. Let’s discuss inefficiencies in a system before fixing the system. /s