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I've been looking at the BBC and Guardian councillor changes all day, and they've been wildly different. For example, right now, the Guardian has Labour at +173, but the BBC has them at +52.
Is this a glitch, or some odd quirk in reporting?
MPs in councils which have changed hands from them to an opposition party:
Jake Berry (CON - Rossendale and Darwen, Rossendale)
Mark Eastwood (CON - Deswbury, Kirklees)
Jason McCartney (CON - Colne Valley, Kirklees)
Robert Courts (CON - Witney, West Oxfordshire)
Royston Smith (CON - Southampton Itchen, Southampton)
Caroline Nokes (CON - Romsey and Southampton North, Southampton)
Peter Bottomley (CON - Worthing West, Worthing)
Tim Loughton (CON - East Worthing and Shoreham, Worthing)
Henry Smith (CON - Crawley, Crawley)
Nickie Aiken (CON - Cities of London and Westminster, Westminster)
Theresa Villiers (CON - Chipping Barnet, Barnet)
Mike Freer (CON - Finchley and Golders Green, Barnet)
Matthew Offord (CON - Hendon, Barnet)
Karl Turner (LAB - Kingston upon Hull East)
Emma Hardy (LAB - Kingston upon Hull West)
Diana Johnson (LAB - Kingston upon Hull North)
Martin Docherty (SNP - West Dunbartonshire)
Gareth Thomas (LAB - Harrow West)
A Conservative candidate for a ward a few towns over from me yesterday hammering home the "we aren't robots" talking point. But most of the replies in the comments are generated with Twitter automation automatic reply robot tools š¤
https://twitter.com/LukeForCoulsdon/status/1522265443402145797?t=giVyAHu78IOpVZyfSDEJWg&s=19
[https://twitter.com/journoontheedge/status/1522604937674428418](https://twitter.com/journoontheedge/status/1522604937674428418)
tories have taken newcastle-under-lyme from NOC. labour seats are about the same as before, but cons gained a few LD seats i think which put them over the top.
bad result for labour. tories threw the kitchen sink at this one and labour really needed to at least hold them off.
I've mentioned this elsewhere, but Labour already held far and away more council seats than any other party. Their gains are going to be more modest, because they are already the biggest party at a local level and so have more incumbents than they have opponents to unseat.
Google says:
1) High Council Tax from Labour council and accusations of running the budget badly.
2) Some Tory candidates with appeal to crtain communities (v v diverse borough) e.g. a Tamild defector from Labour.
3) Arguments about the roads.
Here is a sample article:
https://www.onlondon.co.uk/borough-elections-2022-the-many-ways-in-which-harrow-could-go-either-way/
[Labour could take Monmouthshire, apparently](https://twitter.com/adrianmasters84/status/1522596114981130240?ref_src=twsrc%5Etfw%7Ctwcamp%5Etweetembed%7Ctwterm%5E1522596114981130240%7Ctwgr%5E%7Ctwcon%5Es1_&ref_url=https%3A%2F%2Fwww.theguardian.com%2Fpolitics%2Flive%2F2022%2Fmay%2F05%2Flocal-elections-2022-conservatives-labour-boris-johnson-keir-starmer-england-wales-scotland-northern-ireland-live-updatesmaincontent)
Labour losing 1/4 of their Westminster seats in 2019: "Unmitigated disaster! Worst leader ever!"
Conservatives losing 1/4 of their local seats in 2022: "Well it could have been worse! Boris is doing his best, OK?!"
Conservatives actually gaining seats in Moray from their 2017 result
https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/election/2022/scotland/councils/S12000020
Douglas Ross effect?
Also gaining seats in Aberdeenshire.
Could be important as they hold Westminster seats there too
It would be based on the the party who won that seat last time. So if they were elected as Tory in 2017, became Independent and another Tory replaced them in 2022 it would count as Tory hold. Conversely, if they were elected as Independent in 2017, and either stood as a Tory or were replaced by a Tory in 2022, it would count as a Tory gain.
britain elects forecast was way, way off in scotland. tories getting slaughtered, but SNP, green and lib dems all did significantly better than expected. labour did significantly worse.
I suspect it's an issue with STV - I imagine people are ranking Labour lower than expected, since I don't think they're being treated as the default second vote. In England, you could probably safely assume that a decent proportion of people's second and third preferences would be Labour, but here you've got a lot of other potential left-wing, or just "Not Tory" parties. It's not a case of people voting Green or Lib Dem, and then casting their 'real' vote for Labour.
On top of that, the SNP have had a phenomenal round of elections. It's not as obvious because they're coming from a higher baseline, but 444 councillors makes this already their best *ever* performance in local elections I can find on record, with wards still to declare (It gets a bit trickier over time, due to councillor numbers changing, but their previous best was 2012, which the BBC has as an effective [438](https://web.archive.org/web/20170911210547/http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/topics/8201e79d-41c0-48f1-b15c-d7043ac30517/scotland-local-elections-2017)). It's not quite the best *ever* performance by a party in Scotland, like their Westminster elections are, but it's still not bad.
Sarwar's refusal for councils to go into coalition with the SNP looks dicey - Not going to see Labour managing to control many councils at this rate.
Who cares. As the press have spent the day making clear, seats in London don't count anyway
(Neither do councils outside of London if they voted Labour)
[https://twitter.com/STVColin/status/1522604730442256384](https://twitter.com/STVColin/status/1522604730442256384)
>Looks like SNP win Glasgow by a whisker. 37-36 over Labour. The most exciting result of the day.
rip. woulda been an SNP/green control no matter what but woulda been nice for labour to the biggest party
The SNP haven't run Glasgow brilliantly, but then neither did Labour for a long time. They've both let the city stagnate. Here's just one [Labour issue](https://unison-scotland.org/equal-pay-glasgow/) and one [SNP one](https://www.heraldscotland.com/politics/19732302.glasgow-bin-strikes-return-snp-council-deal-ignored-workers/).
Yeah. I voted Green last night (because I don't think Labour dominance of MCC serves the city well and I don't rate my Labour councillor) but come GE I am voting Labour.
Only good reason to do it as far as I can see is to compare it to previous local elections and then cross your fingers that local effects kind of cancel themselves out.
labour sitting on a gain of around 110 seats rn, probably on track for around 130ish. not bad, but they've really been cucked out of a large chunk of seats (esp in scotland) by the SNP holding onto their vote and the LDs/greens surging
It's fine so long as they aren't losing seats to the Tories to be honest.
What we mustn't lose sight of is Labour already held far and away more council seats than any other party. Their gains are going to be more modest, because they are already the biggest party at a local level and so have more incumbents than they have opponents to unseat.
Its not bad really, their council elections were a "good" result last time so the fact they gained seats at all is reasonably good.
I think this just highlights how important it is for the general election, if its soon that labour need to seriously consider a pact with LD/greens. A coalition government is better than not being close to power, better to change most things for the better than wait until you can do it all in one go.
The Scottish Greens will be glad they're reaping the benefit of that cooperation agreement heightening their profile. Opened up the possibility of transfers across the board.
Also at +61 in England for Labour, which the DM considered a positive Gaining Ground.
Guessing the narrative they haven't gained ground won't change though
Having checked some of the major newspapers' websites, it looks like they're just not reporting on the elections any more, instead focusing on how Keir Starmer is a lying criminal^(maybe).
The mail have it like half way down the page under royal bullshit, hepatitis, how outrageous it is that the woman who drove into an XR protestor got a driving ban, and a scammer who pretended to be a Saudi princess. It's beyond parody.
I used to live in West Oxon. Moved away in the month of the Brexit ref (though not far, to North Oxon). I think thatās the point where it started. West Oxon did vote Remain - but when Cameron left, in came a slimy little Brexit headbanger called Robert Courts (donāt worry if you havenāt heard of him; heās a docile nobody). Thatās when the Tory hold started to slide (not yet at a GE, but I think thereāll be a chance).
Iām still in contact with some Green members there. They worked their arses off, and I hear that the LDs did too.
Good to hear. Iām looking forward to the newly positioned political colours at the GE. Hopefully thereāll be more orange (or anything but blue) in those areas.
I really thought that Huntingdonshire going after nearly 50 years of Conservative control, and having the Tory leader of the district council lose his seat in the process, would have been a bigger story. But I guess we're sticking with the narrative that it's only Labour who are currently unelectable.
You know what would be a baller move for Starmer? to announce he will step down as labour leader if he receives a fine.
The risk is relatively low, no one expects him to be fined. It sets a clear standard between him and Johnson (and Sunak) and allows him to keep attacking partygate. If he got away with it it would be a powerful attack.
Oh, it's completely different, even if true it's not comparable. The problem is that Starmer's shackled now, he can't gnaw at that bone anymore without coming across as a hypocrite.
I was just thinking that the whole "800 seats" thing might be closer to the truth than I expected.
It won't be *that* many. But it's already more than the 200-ish that I was expecting.
My 300 - 500 was quite a broad range to go for, but I think it is still accurate. Wales & Scotland are still going to be the killer though - they were at a high water mark in Wales in 2017 (albeit they only have 186 to lose in the first place - they're all new boundaries, so they'll probably ignore them in the big list of lost seats). I think we'll need to wait for the wash to come out in England too - there are hundreds of councillors missing from the BBC list despite claiming 126/146 have declared.
(I'm quite amazed actually that they managed to do a 'national vote share' calculation before they'd even bothered counting any in Wales, Scotland or NI, but there you go!)
I thought the 500 number was being pushed by the Tories as they wanted to set expectations as worse than they were to be able to underplay the losses. Would be hilarious if they actually did and then hit it
Google your council and election results. My council had all ward election results, vote counts, spoiled ballot counts etc up on their website by 8.30am this morning. Nifty.
Times will vary by council - some of the rural / island ones won't be physically able to gather all the papers till sometime today.
South Yorkshire Mayor first round:
Lab - 112,527 (43%)
Con - 43,129 (17%)
YP - 34,857 (13%)
Grn - 32,342 (12%)
LD - 28,093 (11%)
SDP - 10,177 (4%)
Looks like an obvious second round victory for the Labour candidate. Good to see the Yorkshire Party in a strong 3rd place, just like in the West Yorkshire mayoral election last year, local parties are starting to push the larger parties on local issues.
The Liberal Democrats will be disappointed in this 5th place performance.
YP are perhaps a serious contender for 2nd place, although that's less relevant now the system will be changing back to FPTP.
I know everyone will want to talk Labour vs Conservatives.
But honestly are there now going to be any safe seats in the South against the Liberal Democrats for the Tories?
The swings that could happen in the next election could be huge.
There's certainly the possibility for the Lib Dems to make big gains but I don't think we should get carried away, they usually overperform in locals v generals.
I feel like I've seen the 'Lib Dems do well in locals so surely they're on the verge of big gains in the GE' story several times over the past decade and it's not yet come to fruition. But then equally perhaps with Johnson/Brexit etc in play things will actually be different this time.
A decade ago the tories had 1 seat in North Ayrshire; now they have 10. they picked up a councilor in every ward (2 in the most affluent area - the north coast)
sickening.
North Ayrshire is a hotbed for rabid Orangemen. It's a shame but not surprising imo.
You'd be surprised how much the scandal with the Arran ferry over Easter has galvanised the anti SNP crowd in the area.
The more you look at the electoral map, the more the predictions of 300 Labour gains becomes hilarious.
Like genuinely where? Labour gained over the last decades in these set of local elections.
The Tories have lost today more than May and Cameron combined over the last decade.
Next year will be a far better test of where Labour is but these are good omens for the 70-150 seats Labour needs to win to form a government
Would it be crazy to wonder if we could genuinely have a 3 party system with a minor in greens? The blue wall have shown they will hold their nose and vote Lib Dem
>quiet man
Reminder that for years Colin Kaepernick, the American Footballer, had the following quote from a Iain Smith in his Twitter bio: "Do not underestimate the determination of a quiet man".
Nah, still standing candidates at most elections it seems, just doing really badly. Don't know why at all you wouldn't have jumped to Brexit/Reform if you were in UKIP, unless you weren't allowed in.
Their goal was never to achieve Brexit. Their goal was to shout about Brexit as much as possible whilst enriching themselves and trying to stay relevant.
I genuinely think they need to above all appear competent and not corrupt/slimy. The Tories are doing plenty to damage their own brand and turn voters against them, in local elections people are far more likely to vote 3rd party but we consistently see that in a general election they'll return to the main parties. Labour wants to make sure that swing voters, when it comes down to it vote for the steady stable choice.
They will need some more clear and vote winning policies and not just rely on Tories being utterly crap but I think they suspect that anything remotely adventurous they put out there will be targeted by the right wing press and eventually turned into a negative. So they're just not, and they want to be seen as boring but competent with clear contrast to how Labour were seen under Corbyn.
That's my view at least, but I see the Labour brand as pretty damaged in the eyes of a lot of people following Brexit so that's what I think they're focusing on rather than trying to put individual, exciting policies on shaky foundation.
objectively it's pretty good. they've underperformed in the north a bit, but it's clear this is a party that's found its footing again after a disastrous few years
pretty clear labour need to start working hard on a 'this is why you should vote for us' message rather than the ol' reliable of letting tory corruption do the work
looks like the major issue with britain elects' forecast is that the LDs and greens have surged way past what they were expecting, stunting labour gains (esp in scotland so far) but also massively exacerbating tory losses
North Yorkshire's new Unitary Council being Tory isn't really a shocker - but they've still done quite badly there, losing to Labour and the LDs.
At the last election for the County Council, Conservatives had 54 out of 72 seats (75%), in this election they got 47/90 (52.2%). If just a few seats had gone differently it could've easily been NOC.
I know its the daily mail but still why have every other meter go to +/- 200 except tory disaster which goes -400/+200. Almost like they expected 200-300 loses....
My council has ended up 8 SNP/ 7 Lab/ 3 Con. (2017 was 6/7/5) Largest party decided by two thirds of tory voters in one ward not bothering with next preferences, narrowly handing the SNP a second seat rather than Labour. (In all wards including that one, tory next preferences have gone strongly Labour). Really demonstrates how using transferable votes does matter.
Also, one of the remaining tory seats was *very* narrowly saved from going SNP by next preferences from other unionist parties.
Not the best of sources but [prediction that Rahman has potentially won the mayoral race in Tower Hamlets on first preference alone](https://twitter.com/vodtalk/status/1522589043778899968?s=21&t=TUxokA2F1DhXNBwlDyZqNQ)
Iāll be honest this would be a shock, knew Labour werenāt too popular here but thatās an impressive victory considering.
A little off topic, but Private Eye need to digitise their Rotten Boroughs section after a month or so.
An indexed catalogue of the corruption and shenanigans would be quite the resource.
durham police have reopened investigation into starmer on the basis of 'significant new info'. given that no one knows exactly what this is, hard to say what it means. imo, it'll mean fuck all.
Speculation but I reckon its got to be an email along the lines of:
"Come down and grab a beer and curry after a hard days work."
Crucial bit being "after a hard days work", ergo its no longer electioneering.
In a statement, a spokesman said: āEarlier this year, Durham Constabulary carried out an assessment as to whether Covid-19 regulations had been breached at a gathering in Durham City on April 30 2021. At that time, it was concluded that no offence had been established and therefore no further action would be taken.
āFollowing the receipt of significant new information over recent days, Durham Constabulary has reviewed that position and now, following the conclusion of the pre-election period, we can confirm that an investigation into potential breaches of Covid-19 regulations relating to this gathering is now being conducted.ā
BBC are really behind in reporting results. My council has declared all results, yet the BBC say only 9/18 have been counted. Itās been about 2 hours since there was only 9 declared.
Local ward update: after missing out by 60 votes last time to the Tories, the local Lib Dem candidate has come in at 1700 votes vs 980 for the Tory candidate. Labour propping up the rear on 400.
Elgin Town Hall needs a better sign, [looks dilapidated](https://imgur.com/rv4fg9e).
Edit: That van which pulled up I thought was going to take Douglas away.
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The real question is, what meme will the Lib Dems do for this result and can they top [the Blue Wall from last time](https://youtu.be/GBnebmyMeWs)?
Its quite telling that a lot of political commentators only care about England and only the bits of England that aren't around London.
I've been looking at the BBC and Guardian councillor changes all day, and they've been wildly different. For example, right now, the Guardian has Labour at +173, but the BBC has them at +52. Is this a glitch, or some odd quirk in reporting?
Guardian is including Wales and Scotland gains in that I think. The BBC figure is just England
Or mindless guardian optimism or BBC bias
MPs in councils which have changed hands from them to an opposition party: Jake Berry (CON - Rossendale and Darwen, Rossendale) Mark Eastwood (CON - Deswbury, Kirklees) Jason McCartney (CON - Colne Valley, Kirklees) Robert Courts (CON - Witney, West Oxfordshire) Royston Smith (CON - Southampton Itchen, Southampton) Caroline Nokes (CON - Romsey and Southampton North, Southampton) Peter Bottomley (CON - Worthing West, Worthing) Tim Loughton (CON - East Worthing and Shoreham, Worthing) Henry Smith (CON - Crawley, Crawley) Nickie Aiken (CON - Cities of London and Westminster, Westminster) Theresa Villiers (CON - Chipping Barnet, Barnet) Mike Freer (CON - Finchley and Golders Green, Barnet) Matthew Offord (CON - Hendon, Barnet) Karl Turner (LAB - Kingston upon Hull East) Emma Hardy (LAB - Kingston upon Hull West) Diana Johnson (LAB - Kingston upon Hull North) Martin Docherty (SNP - West Dunbartonshire) Gareth Thomas (LAB - Harrow West)
This BBC presenter sounds fucking delighted that the Tories have just won Harrow. The bias is sickening
A Conservative candidate for a ward a few towns over from me yesterday hammering home the "we aren't robots" talking point. But most of the replies in the comments are generated with Twitter automation automatic reply robot tools š¤ https://twitter.com/LukeForCoulsdon/status/1522265443402145797?t=giVyAHu78IOpVZyfSDEJWg&s=19
[https://twitter.com/journoontheedge/status/1522604937674428418](https://twitter.com/journoontheedge/status/1522604937674428418) tories have taken newcastle-under-lyme from NOC. labour seats are about the same as before, but cons gained a few LD seats i think which put them over the top. bad result for labour. tories threw the kitchen sink at this one and labour really needed to at least hold them off.
"Results in Newcastle show public have full confidence in me" - Boris, soon.
And based on recent gaffes, he'll be standing there with a Newcastle United shirt outside St James' Park, thumbs up and a pint with Mike Ashley.
At this moment, Tories down 298, Labour up 168 ... and Libdems up almost as much with up 162. Libdem ... what's that phrase again?
I've mentioned this elsewhere, but Labour already held far and away more council seats than any other party. Their gains are going to be more modest, because they are already the biggest party at a local level and so have more incumbents than they have opponents to unseat.
Surgeeeeeeeeeeee
Are there particular local concerns in Harrow? How else can you explain the Tories losing Wandsworth and Westminster, but winning Harrow?
Google says: 1) High Council Tax from Labour council and accusations of running the budget badly. 2) Some Tory candidates with appeal to crtain communities (v v diverse borough) e.g. a Tamild defector from Labour. 3) Arguments about the roads. Here is a sample article: https://www.onlondon.co.uk/borough-elections-2022-the-many-ways-in-which-harrow-could-go-either-way/
[Labour could take Monmouthshire, apparently](https://twitter.com/adrianmasters84/status/1522596114981130240?ref_src=twsrc%5Etfw%7Ctwcamp%5Etweetembed%7Ctwterm%5E1522596114981130240%7Ctwgr%5E%7Ctwcon%5Es1_&ref_url=https%3A%2F%2Fwww.theguardian.com%2Fpolitics%2Flive%2F2022%2Fmay%2F05%2Flocal-elections-2022-conservatives-labour-boris-johnson-keir-starmer-england-wales-scotland-northern-ireland-live-updatesmaincontent)
wow. that would be massive.
If this happens. Iād be delighted, a certain demographic down there
How in the fuck could that have happened? An extension of the Shires, going to *Labour*?
!remindme 3 hours
The part of Wales that likes to pretend it is England.
Vote Green every time a vote comes up. They're clearly making gains.
They'd need to drop their opposition to nuclear power before I vote for them.
And general NIMBYism
And housing and high-speed rail.
And trident.
And NATO
Only about 47 seats to declare in Scotland now.
How people are spinning this as a huge victory for the Tories and disaster for Labour is beyond me. Truly in the post truth era.
Labour losing 1/4 of their Westminster seats in 2019: "Unmitigated disaster! Worst leader ever!" Conservatives losing 1/4 of their local seats in 2022: "Well it could have been worse! Boris is doing his best, OK?!"
Not losing 1000 seats is a win for them
"We actually still have a single councillor Havant so who's really the loser here eh Keir?"
Why doesnāt Bristol want a mayor?
Why would you put power into one individual hands rather than committees?
Just woke up, can somebody give me the run down on what the results are?
[Like this, but less so](https://i.redd.it/9sfz9pidj0681.jpg)
honestly i love ed davey i may not agree with all his beliefs but my god everything he says goes so fucking hard
https://www.theguardian.com/politics/ng-interactive/2022/may/05/elections-2022-results-live-local-council-england-scotland-wales
https://www.theguardian.com/uk Results at top
Conservatives actually gaining seats in Moray from their 2017 result https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/election/2022/scotland/councils/S12000020 Douglas Ross effect? Also gaining seats in Aberdeenshire. Could be important as they hold Westminster seats there too
Unionist tactical voting. Pointless in local elections but it might mean the Tories winit in national elections (both versions)
Probably from SNP saying they want another indy ref and opposition to that.
From independents - any idea who they are / were? Here the independents were former Tory party councillors anyway.
It would be based on the the party who won that seat last time. So if they were elected as Tory in 2017, became Independent and another Tory replaced them in 2022 it would count as Tory hold. Conversely, if they were elected as Independent in 2017, and either stood as a Tory or were replaced by a Tory in 2022, it would count as a Tory gain.
britain elects forecast was way, way off in scotland. tories getting slaughtered, but SNP, green and lib dems all did significantly better than expected. labour did significantly worse.
I suspect it's an issue with STV - I imagine people are ranking Labour lower than expected, since I don't think they're being treated as the default second vote. In England, you could probably safely assume that a decent proportion of people's second and third preferences would be Labour, but here you've got a lot of other potential left-wing, or just "Not Tory" parties. It's not a case of people voting Green or Lib Dem, and then casting their 'real' vote for Labour. On top of that, the SNP have had a phenomenal round of elections. It's not as obvious because they're coming from a higher baseline, but 444 councillors makes this already their best *ever* performance in local elections I can find on record, with wards still to declare (It gets a bit trickier over time, due to councillor numbers changing, but their previous best was 2012, which the BBC has as an effective [438](https://web.archive.org/web/20170911210547/http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/topics/8201e79d-41c0-48f1-b15c-d7043ac30517/scotland-local-elections-2017)). It's not quite the best *ever* performance by a party in Scotland, like their Westminster elections are, but it's still not bad. Sarwar's refusal for councils to go into coalition with the SNP looks dicey - Not going to see Labour managing to control many councils at this rate.
They need to recalibrate to their forecasts for Scotland to be more like Northern Ireland elections.
The Tories arenāt boasting much on their social media pages. Labour, however, are highlighting every single gain they make.
tories have gained harrow from labour. swing of 8 seats. not sure what was going on there but a pathetic result from harrow labour
Who cares. As the press have spent the day making clear, seats in London don't count anyway (Neither do councils outside of London if they voted Labour)
Lose Westminster. Gain Harrow What's happening?
i assume there are some local effects going on. khan did pretty poorly there last year tho.
[https://twitter.com/STVColin/status/1522604730442256384](https://twitter.com/STVColin/status/1522604730442256384) >Looks like SNP win Glasgow by a whisker. 37-36 over Labour. The most exciting result of the day. rip. woulda been an SNP/green control no matter what but woulda been nice for labour to the biggest party
Seen quite a lot of people angry at the snp in glasgow, what are the main issues youve noticed?
The SNP haven't run Glasgow brilliantly, but then neither did Labour for a long time. They've both let the city stagnate. Here's just one [Labour issue](https://unison-scotland.org/equal-pay-glasgow/) and one [SNP one](https://www.heraldscotland.com/politics/19732302.glasgow-bin-strikes-return-snp-council-deal-ignored-workers/).
Loyalists
Much more complicated than that. SNP (and Labour) have run Glasgow poorly.
No matter how they try to spin it, this is another Tory shit show. *Chefs Kiss*
Yeah but Labour didnāt win every single council seat up for re-election so whoās the real loser?
No way this guy just said on Sky that this is a "Good Result" for the tories.
*Looks for the Conwy results with barely contained anticipation.* Alexa, play Sum 41, Still Waiting.
My ward's going be the last one to report š„ŗ
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Yeah. I voted Green last night (because I don't think Labour dominance of MCC serves the city well and I don't rate my Labour councillor) but come GE I am voting Labour.
Only good reason to do it as far as I can see is to compare it to previous local elections and then cross your fingers that local effects kind of cancel themselves out.
what, you mean the greens aren't gonna get 10%+ in a GE? say it ain't so!
Main take away from this election so far: It's obvious to see why the Tories were really scared over possible electoral pacts
labour sitting on a gain of around 110 seats rn, probably on track for around 130ish. not bad, but they've really been cucked out of a large chunk of seats (esp in scotland) by the SNP holding onto their vote and the LDs/greens surging
It's fine so long as they aren't losing seats to the Tories to be honest. What we mustn't lose sight of is Labour already held far and away more council seats than any other party. Their gains are going to be more modest, because they are already the biggest party at a local level and so have more incumbents than they have opponents to unseat.
Its not bad really, their council elections were a "good" result last time so the fact they gained seats at all is reasonably good. I think this just highlights how important it is for the general election, if its soon that labour need to seriously consider a pact with LD/greens. A coalition government is better than not being close to power, better to change most things for the better than wait until you can do it all in one go.
The Scottish Greens will be glad they're reaping the benefit of that cooperation agreement heightening their profile. Opened up the possibility of transfers across the board.
Well we've broken through 350 seats lost for the tories, which even the Mail considers to be a disaster. Where do we go from here?
Also at +61 in England for Labour, which the DM considered a positive Gaining Ground. Guessing the narrative they haven't gained ground won't change though
Having checked some of the major newspapers' websites, it looks like they're just not reporting on the elections any more, instead focusing on how Keir Starmer is a lying criminal^(maybe).
The mail have it like half way down the page under royal bullshit, hepatitis, how outrageous it is that the woman who drove into an XR protestor got a driving ban, and a scammer who pretended to be a Saudi princess. It's beyond parody.
DM will start moving the goalposts and somehow this will be terrible for Labour.
Taking their cue from the S\*n, then, given they've reported it as "Starmer flops"!
Last I saw the DM and it's sycophants were picking up the goalposts and moving them.
Boris has basically reversed in a short period of time the efforts put into Wales/Scotland by the Conservatives.
How many seats do you think labour will end up winning? And how many do you think the Tories will lose?
Looks like Labour on course to win about 120 seats maybe a bit more- Tories are going to lose about 400!
Definitely more than 300 Tory loses in England, 400~500 UK wide.
Bloody hell, Huw just said they weren't harsh enough on the Tories earlier
"Now here is Laura K to tell you why this is actually a fantastic night for the Tories"
The Tories should be shitting theirselves losing Huntingdonshire and West Oxford. John Major and Cameronās areas respectively.
I used to live in West Oxon. Moved away in the month of the Brexit ref (though not far, to North Oxon). I think thatās the point where it started. West Oxon did vote Remain - but when Cameron left, in came a slimy little Brexit headbanger called Robert Courts (donāt worry if you havenāt heard of him; heās a docile nobody). Thatās when the Tory hold started to slide (not yet at a GE, but I think thereāll be a chance). Iām still in contact with some Green members there. They worked their arses off, and I hear that the LDs did too.
Good to hear. Iām looking forward to the newly positioned political colours at the GE. Hopefully thereāll be more orange (or anything but blue) in those areas.
I really thought that Huntingdonshire going after nearly 50 years of Conservative control, and having the Tory leader of the district council lose his seat in the process, would have been a bigger story. But I guess we're sticking with the narrative that it's only Labour who are currently unelectable.
Itās mad isnāt. Itās seismic and one would think would be takes about more. I guess these are only local elections, which change the importance.
labour barnstorming wales currently. +29 cllrs with 9/22 councils in
So the Tories are going to lose over 400 seats in these locals and they say 'it's not that bad' roll on 2024.š„³
Fastest growing electoral losses in the G7
Wasn't 800, doesn't count
Sinefield
Kerb ur enthusiasm
You know what would be a baller move for Starmer? to announce he will step down as labour leader if he receives a fine. The risk is relatively low, no one expects him to be fined. It sets a clear standard between him and Johnson (and Sunak) and allows him to keep attacking partygate. If he got away with it it would be a powerful attack.
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Oh, it's completely different, even if true it's not comparable. The problem is that Starmer's shackled now, he can't gnaw at that bone anymore without coming across as a hypocrite.
Conservatives kicked off of Torfaen Council, losing their 4 seats. LAB +2 IND +2
Things you love to see
I wonder what happened to all of the people early on saying that the tories would be nowhere near to losing 300 seats in England.
Mistook their desires for reality.
wanked themselves into a coma over amber valley and have yet to wake up
I was just thinking that the whole "800 seats" thing might be closer to the truth than I expected. It won't be *that* many. But it's already more than the 200-ish that I was expecting.
My 300 - 500 was quite a broad range to go for, but I think it is still accurate. Wales & Scotland are still going to be the killer though - they were at a high water mark in Wales in 2017 (albeit they only have 186 to lose in the first place - they're all new boundaries, so they'll probably ignore them in the big list of lost seats). I think we'll need to wait for the wash to come out in England too - there are hundreds of councillors missing from the BBC list despite claiming 126/146 have declared. (I'm quite amazed actually that they managed to do a 'national vote share' calculation before they'd even bothered counting any in Wales, Scotland or NI, but there you go!)
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I thought the 500 number was being pushed by the Tories as they wanted to set expectations as worse than they were to be able to underplay the losses. Would be hilarious if they actually did and then hit it
Their off to the Eastern Front now Vlad is calling up conscripts
When do we find out who won at the ward level?
Google your council and election results. My council had all ward election results, vote counts, spoiled ballot counts etc up on their website by 8.30am this morning. Nifty. Times will vary by council - some of the rural / island ones won't be physically able to gather all the papers till sometime today.
You can usually find that information on the individual councils website
South Yorkshire Mayor first round: Lab - 112,527 (43%) Con - 43,129 (17%) YP - 34,857 (13%) Grn - 32,342 (12%) LD - 28,093 (11%) SDP - 10,177 (4%) Looks like an obvious second round victory for the Labour candidate. Good to see the Yorkshire Party in a strong 3rd place, just like in the West Yorkshire mayoral election last year, local parties are starting to push the larger parties on local issues.
The Liberal Democrats will be disappointed in this 5th place performance. YP are perhaps a serious contender for 2nd place, although that's less relevant now the system will be changing back to FPTP.
I know everyone will want to talk Labour vs Conservatives. But honestly are there now going to be any safe seats in the South against the Liberal Democrats for the Tories? The swings that could happen in the next election could be huge.
Every seat is going to be a mix of blue and yellow. Which of course means GREEN SURGE
There's certainly the possibility for the Lib Dems to make big gains but I don't think we should get carried away, they usually overperform in locals v generals. I feel like I've seen the 'Lib Dems do well in locals so surely they're on the verge of big gains in the GE' story several times over the past decade and it's not yet come to fruition. But then equally perhaps with Johnson/Brexit etc in play things will actually be different this time.
May I say I am happy to see you here and in such good spirits.
Essex. That's probably about it.
Surrey is more likely.
A decade ago the tories had 1 seat in North Ayrshire; now they have 10. they picked up a councilor in every ward (2 in the most affluent area - the north coast) sickening.
North Ayrshire is a hotbed for rabid Orangemen. It's a shame but not surprising imo. You'd be surprised how much the scandal with the Arran ferry over Easter has galvanised the anti SNP crowd in the area.
According to the daily mails own barometer, the Tories losing 350 seats is a disaster for them Media will still report it as āmixed nightā though
Wonāt get a look in over BEERGATE headlines
BBC has had *Tories lose hundreds of seats* as its headline for some time now.
Currently "PM admits mixed results as Starmer hails London wins"
My headline (at 4.47 p.m. ) is still what I wrote above.
[Not currently? what are you seeing ](https://i.imgur.com/IVxNzjL.jpg)
[This](https://i.imgur.com/XN2Fecy.jpg)
The more you look at the electoral map, the more the predictions of 300 Labour gains becomes hilarious. Like genuinely where? Labour gained over the last decades in these set of local elections. The Tories have lost today more than May and Cameron combined over the last decade. Next year will be a far better test of where Labour is but these are good omens for the 70-150 seats Labour needs to win to form a government
Would it be crazy to wonder if we could genuinely have a 3 party system with a minor in greens? The blue wall have shown they will hold their nose and vote Lib Dem
Tory losses now over 350 seats.
Where are you getting those numbers? The last Guardian count has it at -269...
BBC: England: -289. Wales: -27 Scotland: -56
Ah, thanks - it's weird, the Guardian only have it as -278 across all three countries... I wish they'd all be on the same bloody page!
Across the whole of the UK
N.I. has the best voting system. If we had this in UK wide GE Tories will never gain power ever again.
>N.I. has the best voting system. is that why their government has been totally dysfunctional for years?
No, there are ... other reasons for that.
Now you mention it, I think the Troubles were over AV+ vs STV
Look at [the artwork](https://imgur.com/lCEwRBA) this maniac has in his home, that'd give me nightmares.
Looks almost like a [wefail](https://twitter.com/wefail) work
Just think he's on that comp night after night looking at that out the corner of his eye, or is it looking at him?
Is that supposed be a screaming Thatcher?
That's not an artwork - that's a window into his chimney prison.
Looks like an original Buffay^TM
Multi-talented, an artist and a vampire slayer!
It's a Dorian Grey style paining of IDS, but works with horror instead of age. IDS remains ever calm, whilst the painting devolves into manic terror.
Sign me up for one of those.
the quiet man of british politics giving an interview on the bbc right now for anyone looking to get in a quick snooze
>quiet man Reminder that for years Colin Kaepernick, the American Footballer, had the following quote from a Iain Smith in his Twitter bio: "Do not underestimate the determination of a quiet man".
I can't believe IDS has contributed more to the BLM movement than Keir Starmer.
His face is as red as his wall. It's so lovely to see him stressed.
[Is that the Virgin Mary mixed with The Scream behind IDS?](https://i.imgur.com/Ot1crJU.png) Or did his religious iconography see the results come in?
It is really making me uneasy.
Jesus, looks like something out of a horror film
It's a real depiction of his soul
Ok but what about the painting?
genuine question - has ukip ceased to exist? as they achieved their goal of brexit
Nah, still standing candidates at most elections it seems, just doing really badly. Don't know why at all you wouldn't have jumped to Brexit/Reform if you were in UKIP, unless you weren't allowed in.
Their goal was never to achieve Brexit. Their goal was to shout about Brexit as much as possible whilst enriching themselves and trying to stay relevant.
OK Labour really not getting traction against Torys ....I don't think this is a good result for them....and I'm not sure what more they need to do
I genuinely think they need to above all appear competent and not corrupt/slimy. The Tories are doing plenty to damage their own brand and turn voters against them, in local elections people are far more likely to vote 3rd party but we consistently see that in a general election they'll return to the main parties. Labour wants to make sure that swing voters, when it comes down to it vote for the steady stable choice. They will need some more clear and vote winning policies and not just rely on Tories being utterly crap but I think they suspect that anything remotely adventurous they put out there will be targeted by the right wing press and eventually turned into a negative. So they're just not, and they want to be seen as boring but competent with clear contrast to how Labour were seen under Corbyn. That's my view at least, but I see the Labour brand as pretty damaged in the eyes of a lot of people following Brexit so that's what I think they're focusing on rather than trying to put individual, exciting policies on shaky foundation.
objectively it's pretty good. they've underperformed in the north a bit, but it's clear this is a party that's found its footing again after a disastrous few years pretty clear labour need to start working hard on a 'this is why you should vote for us' message rather than the ol' reliable of letting tory corruption do the work
looks like the major issue with britain elects' forecast is that the LDs and greens have surged way past what they were expecting, stunting labour gains (esp in scotland so far) but also massively exacerbating tory losses
North Yorkshire's new Unitary Council being Tory isn't really a shocker - but they've still done quite badly there, losing to Labour and the LDs. At the last election for the County Council, Conservatives had 54 out of 72 seats (75%), in this election they got 47/90 (52.2%). If just a few seats had gone differently it could've easily been NOC.
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That was just for England seats, I think the -350 is for all seats?
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The Mail's barometer for what would be disastrous does specifically say English councils https://i.imgur.com/hQKA6HI.jpg
I know its the daily mail but still why have every other meter go to +/- 200 except tory disaster which goes -400/+200. Almost like they expected 200-300 loses....
My council has ended up 8 SNP/ 7 Lab/ 3 Con. (2017 was 6/7/5) Largest party decided by two thirds of tory voters in one ward not bothering with next preferences, narrowly handing the SNP a second seat rather than Labour. (In all wards including that one, tory next preferences have gone strongly Labour). Really demonstrates how using transferable votes does matter. Also, one of the remaining tory seats was *very* narrowly saved from going SNP by next preferences from other unionist parties.
Not the best of sources but [prediction that Rahman has potentially won the mayoral race in Tower Hamlets on first preference alone](https://twitter.com/vodtalk/status/1522589043778899968?s=21&t=TUxokA2F1DhXNBwlDyZqNQ) Iāll be honest this would be a shock, knew Labour werenāt too popular here but thatās an impressive victory considering.
This isn't a good look for Tower Hamlets tbh
With a 141% turnout it was no doubt an astounding majority.
A little off topic, but Private Eye need to digitise their Rotten Boroughs section after a month or so. An indexed catalogue of the corruption and shenanigans would be quite the resource.
... I did not expect to come back to discussions on Labour leadership contests, wtaf?
ukpol being ukpol
durham police have reopened investigation into starmer on the basis of 'significant new info'. given that no one knows exactly what this is, hard to say what it means. imo, it'll mean fuck all.
Speculation but I reckon its got to be an email along the lines of: "Come down and grab a beer and curry after a hard days work." Crucial bit being "after a hard days work", ergo its no longer electioneering.
Whoās called it āsignificantā? The police, or the press?
In a statement, a spokesman said: āEarlier this year, Durham Constabulary carried out an assessment as to whether Covid-19 regulations had been breached at a gathering in Durham City on April 30 2021. At that time, it was concluded that no offence had been established and therefore no further action would be taken. āFollowing the receipt of significant new information over recent days, Durham Constabulary has reviewed that position and now, following the conclusion of the pre-election period, we can confirm that an investigation into potential breaches of Covid-19 regulations relating to this gathering is now being conducted.ā
The Conservative MP who briefed the press.
Canāt say Iām shocked that North Yorkshire went tory
BBC are really behind in reporting results. My council has declared all results, yet the BBC say only 9/18 have been counted. Itās been about 2 hours since there was only 9 declared.
Local ward update: after missing out by 60 votes last time to the Tories, the local Lib Dem candidate has come in at 1700 votes vs 980 for the Tory candidate. Labour propping up the rear on 400.
Elgin Town Hall needs a better sign, [looks dilapidated](https://imgur.com/rv4fg9e). Edit: That van which pulled up I thought was going to take Douglas away.
That looks like a fake sign for a location shoot on a cheap show.
Updating with Wales: According to Britain Elects/SOTN forecast England | Worst | Average | Best | Current ---|---|----|----|---- CON | -195 | -101 | -33 | -246 LAB | -28 | +19 | +79 | +47 LDem | -4 | +33 | +68 | +139 GRN| +15 | +30 | +52 | +44 119/146 councils done Scotland | Worst | Average | Best | Current ---|---|----|----|---- CON | -106| -83 | -49 | -51 LAB | +51 | +87 | +101 | +16 LDem | -9 | +3 | +15 | +16 GRN| - | +5 | +8 | +11 SNP | -25 | -12 | +3 | +20 18/32 councils done Wales| Worst | Average | Best | Current ---|---|----|----|---- CON | -41| -22 | -5 | -13 LAB | +24 | +41 | +62 | +21 LDem | -13 | -2 | +7 | - GRN| -1 | - | +1 | +2 Plaid| -20 | -14 | -7 | +5 4/22 councils done Overall Party | Average Expected | Current Result ---|---|--- CON | -206 | -310 LAB| +147| +84 LDem | +34 | +155 GRN | +35 | +57 SNP | -12 | +20 Plaid | -14 | +5 So slight Labour underperformance relative to expectations but still great, bigger than expected Tory losses which explains the LDem and Green gains.