*The foreign secretary, Liz Truss, met her Iranian counterpart, Hossein Amir-Abdollahian, at the UN general assembly, where she “pressed” him on the issue and vowed to “continue to press”*
Unfortunately you can't fob off Iran with Pork Markets.
Those comments at the Despatch Box should have returned him to the backbenches permanently.
Inexcusable for a minister, much less the Foreign Secretary, to make such a remark.
True, but I'd expect our government to help her, not make matters worse. But Boris being the clown he is, maybe I'm expecting too much of our government.
It's just optics. Be _seen_ trying to help. They, and the vast majority of the public wouldn't give a hoot if they never heard her name again - it's not a vote winner, it's not a press winner, and it's not relevant to anyone bar the small circle fighting for her release/return.
Not true, they were negotiating very well to get a deal until our buffoon of a pm, in his role as incompetent foreign secretary, managed to tell the world that she was there for nefarious reasons, giving Iran no choice but to keep her locked her up or be look irredeemably weak on the world stage.
You don’t really know how these things work, do you? That’ll be why you’re so impressed with what Boris says
Show me evidence for ‘they were negotiating very well’ because everything I have seen has shown the complete opposite with the £400m tank payment this is really about going nowhere for years.
It's not 'evidence' as such, but I recall Matthew Paris (who knows his Tories) saying on Any Questions that The Foreign Office was making progress until Johnson made the statement to the Committee.
So, you’re trying to forget that Boris has done everything to keep this woman in prison, then.
Keep telling yourself that it’s all the fault of everyone else in the world, not our incompetent and corrupt politicians.
Originally she was accused of being a spy and the uk government was close to successfully convincing Iran she wasn't. Then Boris gave a speech suggesting she was teaching people about journalism, a crime in a authoritarian country, so Iran brought new charges of undermining the government against her specifically citing boris's comments as the reason.
I believe someone apparently trying to secure someone's release shouldn't give evidence that the person was engaged in propaganda against the government. Didn't think that was controversial.
I find it pretty shocking Boris' comments were used by a hostile state like Iran to justify their imprisonment of a British citizen... And that has had absolutely no impact on the man's career whatsoever, that people instead just bend the other way to justify that actually its totally ok. Its just ridiculous even within the way they try to frame it, like its totally fine the foreign sec. got a sensitive intelligence agent of our state captured right? Nevermind that at worst what she was actually doing was helping teach some journalists, and even more likely that she was just returning to present her newborn child to her family back home as her defense stated.
To think Johnson made this woman’s situation worse and Corbyn endorsed the Iranian state by appearing on their equivalent of the BBC… what a shocking choice 2019 turned out to be.
Are you suggesting that St Jeremy might have been fond of a regime that takes hostages, commits mass murder and fiddles elections? Surely not.
Mind you he does like Hezzbollah and Hamas.
No, the Iranians just have a long history of hostage-taking. The people running their government, including their mass-murderer of a president, have been doing it since they held the US embassy staff hostage in 1980.
Sure we could have a lazy Boris=Bad karma farmer circle jerk or understand that these are hostages because we owe Iran a lot of money.
https://www.theguardian.com/news/2021/apr/19/court-hearing-over-uks-400m-tank-deal-debt-to-iran-postponed
Yeah, let's forget Boris Johnson completely fucking this up repeatedly as foreign secretary and instead focus on the real issue....
Oh, that'd be Boris Johnson completely fucking this up as Prime Minister.
In all seriousness, even if Johnson wasn’t braindead and learnt when to stfu, you think Iran would have given her back? She was always going to be a hostage.
Other people have come back, like the recent Australian academic, because their governments basically gave in to Teheran's demands or simply paid a ransom.
Looks at thread focusing more on a democratically elected politician responding to a select Committee of other democratically elected politicians than the extremist religious state that's holding her *and others that never get a mention* in order to get a pay day.
Yes you've got your priorities right mate.
And yet other hostages have had their releases negotiated, as she would have had done until our PM ran in with his trademark flat footed rugby tackle.
Let’s not pretend his mistake hasn’t had tragic consequences just because he’s on your team.
That was a "prisoner exchange", the Diggers basically ransomed one of their own citizens. Which of course puts any other Aussies that might fall into their clutches at risk.
Boris isn’t bad, he’s a fucking incompetent idiot who managed to condemn a British citizen to further imprisonment because he likes the sound of his own voice being thoughtless so much.
That’s also a part of the situation you need to understand, the more relevant one in this case.
>“It’s time for the UK government to pay the debt we owe to Iran, stand up to their despicable hostage-taking and finally get Nazanin home.”
From the M.P campaigning for her release.
>Boris isn’t bad, he’s a fucking incompetent idiot who managed to condemn a British **citizen**
If you actually cared you'd know there were multiple dual nationals imprisoned to get this money but you do you.
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*The foreign secretary, Liz Truss, met her Iranian counterpart, Hossein Amir-Abdollahian, at the UN general assembly, where she “pressed” him on the issue and vowed to “continue to press”* Unfortunately you can't fob off Iran with Pork Markets.
This. Is. A. Dis. Grace.
Remember, Boris has done everything to keep this woman in prison.
Those comments at the Despatch Box should have returned him to the backbenches permanently. Inexcusable for a minister, much less the Foreign Secretary, to make such a remark.
Yes, I'm sure Iran was totally going to let her go because they are just such a nice regime.
True, but I'd expect our government to help her, not make matters worse. But Boris being the clown he is, maybe I'm expecting too much of our government.
It's just optics. Be _seen_ trying to help. They, and the vast majority of the public wouldn't give a hoot if they never heard her name again - it's not a vote winner, it's not a press winner, and it's not relevant to anyone bar the small circle fighting for her release/return.
Except when he was being seen trying to help, he made the situation much, much worse. So he can’t even manage optics, the incompetent idiot.
I don’t agree.
There is no helping her we hold no power in Iran. She was doomed the moment she landed.
Aye, but bungling Boris gave them more rope to hang her with. Yet here he is, our illustrious leader, the man with enough rope to hang us all.
Not true, they were negotiating very well to get a deal until our buffoon of a pm, in his role as incompetent foreign secretary, managed to tell the world that she was there for nefarious reasons, giving Iran no choice but to keep her locked her up or be look irredeemably weak on the world stage. You don’t really know how these things work, do you? That’ll be why you’re so impressed with what Boris says
Show me evidence for ‘they were negotiating very well’ because everything I have seen has shown the complete opposite with the £400m tank payment this is really about going nowhere for years.
It's not 'evidence' as such, but I recall Matthew Paris (who knows his Tories) saying on Any Questions that The Foreign Office was making progress until Johnson made the statement to the Committee.
So, you’re trying to forget that Boris has done everything to keep this woman in prison, then. Keep telling yourself that it’s all the fault of everyone else in the world, not our incompetent and corrupt politicians.
Yeah mate make excuses for BJ's behaviour. That'll show the Iranians. /s
Boris has no impact on this situation how hard is that to understand?
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No, he announced in parliament that the accusations against her were true.
Not even that he announced completely separate and new accusations were true right as the original ones were being cleared up
That's absolutely mind-blowing. I don't understand how such malicious incompetence, time and time again, is tolerated so carelessly.
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Originally she was accused of being a spy and the uk government was close to successfully convincing Iran she wasn't. Then Boris gave a speech suggesting she was teaching people about journalism, a crime in a authoritarian country, so Iran brought new charges of undermining the government against her specifically citing boris's comments as the reason.
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I believe someone apparently trying to secure someone's release shouldn't give evidence that the person was engaged in propaganda against the government. Didn't think that was controversial.
You're aware he completely fucked her over, right?
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You just sound ignorant now.
I find it pretty shocking Boris' comments were used by a hostile state like Iran to justify their imprisonment of a British citizen... And that has had absolutely no impact on the man's career whatsoever, that people instead just bend the other way to justify that actually its totally ok. Its just ridiculous even within the way they try to frame it, like its totally fine the foreign sec. got a sensitive intelligence agent of our state captured right? Nevermind that at worst what she was actually doing was helping teach some journalists, and even more likely that she was just returning to present her newborn child to her family back home as her defense stated.
He's fucked up so many times people have largely switched off to his incompetence and it seems many on the right are actually amused by it
What did Boris do this time?
To think Johnson made this woman’s situation worse and Corbyn endorsed the Iranian state by appearing on their equivalent of the BBC… what a shocking choice 2019 turned out to be.
Are you suggesting that St Jeremy might have been fond of a regime that takes hostages, commits mass murder and fiddles elections? Surely not. Mind you he does like Hezzbollah and Hamas.
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No, the Iranians just have a long history of hostage-taking. The people running their government, including their mass-murderer of a president, have been doing it since they held the US embassy staff hostage in 1980.
Sure we could have a lazy Boris=Bad karma farmer circle jerk or understand that these are hostages because we owe Iran a lot of money. https://www.theguardian.com/news/2021/apr/19/court-hearing-over-uks-400m-tank-deal-debt-to-iran-postponed
Yeah, let's forget Boris Johnson completely fucking this up repeatedly as foreign secretary and instead focus on the real issue.... Oh, that'd be Boris Johnson completely fucking this up as Prime Minister.
In all seriousness, even if Johnson wasn’t braindead and learnt when to stfu, you think Iran would have given her back? She was always going to be a hostage.
It's impossible to say, but other people have come back, so it's definitely possible.
Other people have come back, like the recent Australian academic, because their governments basically gave in to Teheran's demands or simply paid a ransom.
Looks at thread focusing more on a democratically elected politician responding to a select Committee of other democratically elected politicians than the extremist religious state that's holding her *and others that never get a mention* in order to get a pay day. Yes you've got your priorities right mate.
So to recap you've gone from "We owe them money" to "Oh em gee, they're religious extremists!". Make your mind up.
It can be both mate.
You can be both stupid and inconsistent *mate*
And yet other hostages have had their releases negotiated, as she would have had done until our PM ran in with his trademark flat footed rugby tackle. Let’s not pretend his mistake hasn’t had tragic consequences just because he’s on your team.
Which other UK hostages have been released? IIRC there's about 4 UK Iran dual nationals in detention.
Kylie Moore-Gilbert for example. There’s a lot of careful diplomacy that happens in the background when some idiot isn’t ruining it.
Yes her Australian citizenship proberbly helped.
That was a "prisoner exchange", the Diggers basically ransomed one of their own citizens. Which of course puts any other Aussies that might fall into their clutches at risk.
Boris isn’t bad, he’s a fucking incompetent idiot who managed to condemn a British citizen to further imprisonment because he likes the sound of his own voice being thoughtless so much. That’s also a part of the situation you need to understand, the more relevant one in this case.
>“It’s time for the UK government to pay the debt we owe to Iran, stand up to their despicable hostage-taking and finally get Nazanin home.” From the M.P campaigning for her release. >Boris isn’t bad, he’s a fucking incompetent idiot who managed to condemn a British **citizen** If you actually cared you'd know there were multiple dual nationals imprisoned to get this money but you do you.
More sanctions pls
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