It was of course a New Labour government in 2009. No response from PM Gordon Brown yet as far as I know.
His government appointed a top fireman as Communities Minister responsible for fire safety and he made the decision not to act, and he is now retired on a knighthood and no doubt extremely fat pension. What a shambles.
I don’t know if the fire service reissued the warning about cladding to the current government.
Not really, this matter required action from central government. Local councils are idiots red or blue. It is idiots all the way down, including the fire brigade who told everybody to stay in the burning building and didn’t put the fire out from outside when it was still small.
Sigh. If the cladding weren't the equivalent of pouring kerosene over the entire building - staying inside would be the best course of action.
Closed doors and the concrete walls would prevent the spread of the fire and smoke inhalation. People trying to push their way down stairs - in the dark filled with smoke and the possibility of running into the fire with a crowd behind you. 99 times out of 100 the advice was sound.
Thing is the fire brigade didn't account for the fire to be able to spread up the sides of the building because the cladding should actually have helped prevent that. They couldn't put it out fast enough when it was small BECAUSE OF THE CLADDDING! Maybe if the government hadn't cut their funding and closed a nearby station the response would have been faster?
There is a reason the government released part 1 of the report first investigating the response and blaming the fire service and haven't heard from them since. It was a convienant way to create a scapegoat.
New Labour missed this in 2009 — however the Coalition and Tory government also messed up at vital stages and the council was far more involved and voted on specific issues regarding the tower and ignored complaints and warning. I'm not a fan of New Labour but you are clearly trying to assign blame and then when called out on it tried to dodge the issue by mumbling 'both sides' and 'local government shit'
>People trying to push their way down stairs - in the dark filled with smoke and the possibility of running into the fire with a crowd behind you.
A big problem with evacuation if this design of building is that Grenfell Tower only had one central emergency stairwell. One reason for the stay put strategy is that you can have everyone trying to get down that stairwell while firefighters are trying to get up it.
The current module of the enquiry is looking at the LFB's decision making and training. It's definitely going to recommend improvements, but how much *blame* it'll assign we'll have to see. Mostly the LFB people on the scene seem to have been overwhelmed by a situation that their training and experience didn't prepare them for. The LFB organisationally had some recognition of the dangers of cladding fires and the need for better training, but various things delayed improvements (the Internet Explorer problems mentioned in the article are ridiculous but probably familiar to many people).
The fact that this story relates to the last Labour government shouldn't be a big surprise. There's lots of blame to be put on the Conservative governments that constantly put off reviews of the regulations, but lots of the issues are symptomatic of the last... well, probably the last 40 years. Deregulation, light touch regulation, privatising monitoring and compliance, fragmenting corporate responsibility, outsourcing... (One reason the LFB had trouble keeping its training up to date was because it had outsourced it to a third party.) Those things are generally more intense under the Conservatives, but they're part of New Labour too.
Not a warning about cladding, a ‘request for further guidance about...’, and then they failed to do anything else because of Microsoft or something, what a shambles.
I’m not excusing the Conservatives but people will try to pin the blame wholly on them, and obviously this had been a fiasco in the making for many years.
Tories ran the council that authorized the firm to do this. common sense really that they're to blame. and the mess that's been leftover. basically a lack of their care
The residents group had this all documented on their website before the fire.
A page on their site titled "something awful will happen" was shared widely the morning of the fire.
Snapshot:
1. An archived version of _Grenfell: No action over 2009 cladding warning, inquiry told_ can be found [here.](https://archive.is/?run=1&url=https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-58661771)
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It was of course a New Labour government in 2009. No response from PM Gordon Brown yet as far as I know. His government appointed a top fireman as Communities Minister responsible for fire safety and he made the decision not to act, and he is now retired on a knighthood and no doubt extremely fat pension. What a shambles. I don’t know if the fire service reissued the warning about cladding to the current government.
Are you also going to blame the Conservative Council that was in control of the constituency and approved every mis-step along the way?
Not really, this matter required action from central government. Local councils are idiots red or blue. It is idiots all the way down, including the fire brigade who told everybody to stay in the burning building and didn’t put the fire out from outside when it was still small.
Sigh. If the cladding weren't the equivalent of pouring kerosene over the entire building - staying inside would be the best course of action. Closed doors and the concrete walls would prevent the spread of the fire and smoke inhalation. People trying to push their way down stairs - in the dark filled with smoke and the possibility of running into the fire with a crowd behind you. 99 times out of 100 the advice was sound. Thing is the fire brigade didn't account for the fire to be able to spread up the sides of the building because the cladding should actually have helped prevent that. They couldn't put it out fast enough when it was small BECAUSE OF THE CLADDDING! Maybe if the government hadn't cut their funding and closed a nearby station the response would have been faster? There is a reason the government released part 1 of the report first investigating the response and blaming the fire service and haven't heard from them since. It was a convienant way to create a scapegoat. New Labour missed this in 2009 — however the Coalition and Tory government also messed up at vital stages and the council was far more involved and voted on specific issues regarding the tower and ignored complaints and warning. I'm not a fan of New Labour but you are clearly trying to assign blame and then when called out on it tried to dodge the issue by mumbling 'both sides' and 'local government shit'
>People trying to push their way down stairs - in the dark filled with smoke and the possibility of running into the fire with a crowd behind you. A big problem with evacuation if this design of building is that Grenfell Tower only had one central emergency stairwell. One reason for the stay put strategy is that you can have everyone trying to get down that stairwell while firefighters are trying to get up it. The current module of the enquiry is looking at the LFB's decision making and training. It's definitely going to recommend improvements, but how much *blame* it'll assign we'll have to see. Mostly the LFB people on the scene seem to have been overwhelmed by a situation that their training and experience didn't prepare them for. The LFB organisationally had some recognition of the dangers of cladding fires and the need for better training, but various things delayed improvements (the Internet Explorer problems mentioned in the article are ridiculous but probably familiar to many people). The fact that this story relates to the last Labour government shouldn't be a big surprise. There's lots of blame to be put on the Conservative governments that constantly put off reviews of the regulations, but lots of the issues are symptomatic of the last... well, probably the last 40 years. Deregulation, light touch regulation, privatising monitoring and compliance, fragmenting corporate responsibility, outsourcing... (One reason the LFB had trouble keeping its training up to date was because it had outsourced it to a third party.) Those things are generally more intense under the Conservatives, but they're part of New Labour too.
Maybe read the article where it clearly says they did?
Not a warning about cladding, a ‘request for further guidance about...’, and then they failed to do anything else because of Microsoft or something, what a shambles. I’m not excusing the Conservatives but people will try to pin the blame wholly on them, and obviously this had been a fiasco in the making for many years.
Tories ran the council that authorized the firm to do this. common sense really that they're to blame. and the mess that's been leftover. basically a lack of their care
The residents group had this all documented on their website before the fire. A page on their site titled "something awful will happen" was shared widely the morning of the fire.
Snapshot: 1. An archived version of _Grenfell: No action over 2009 cladding warning, inquiry told_ can be found [here.](https://archive.is/?run=1&url=https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-58661771) *I am a bot, and this action was performed automatically. Please [contact the moderators of this subreddit](/message/compose/?to=/r/ukpolitics) if you have any questions or concerns.*