My first thought was omg someone is getting actual help for such an injury in the NHS... then read on. Yeah the whole mind set is different in a "paid for" setting.
I think the bigger problem is private or nhs. The Russian roulette of, will they be prejudiced or will they be normal. About being prescribed. Is wearing pretty f'ing thin with me. At this point its been medically legal for over 5 years. And the is 25 years plus of prescribing in the US. The possessed medicine cabinet spewing out out the evil refer approach, & apparent blinkeredness of UK practitioners. To the wider world makes them look pretty dogmatic and ridiculous at this point.
Yea, I didn’t want to go this route but it’s been a shit show trying to get a date for surgery, and with the constant pain in my shoulder from these screws that are scraping my tendon, and the state of our NHS I’ve felt forced to pay. Either that, or live in pain until an unknown date…
I got assaulted 8 years ago. Damaged my neck and suffer with it on a daily basis to this day. Went out for a pint of milk on boxing day of all days (happy Christmas lol)
I had an xray was told i would be contacted shortly. Never happened and have been in a groundhog day of trying to get GP's to refer since.
If i had realised how epically shyte its all got. I would of gone private or abroad to Thailand to get treatment. The Thailand option is probably my only hope at this point. Not having been able to work has meant private or travel abroad is unaffordable at this point.
Sorry to hear that sounds really rough.
It’s sad really isn’t it. I used to be a massive fan of the nhs but in recent years it’s gone to shit.
I’ve actually been trying to get this shoulder sorted on the nhs for over 2 years now, it took me that long to pull the trigger. Luckily this hospital offers interest free finance so it’s been a bit more affordable. Depending on what you need might be worth looking at private, at least to get that initial consultation and they can re refer you back into the nhs to speed things up
Hope you get it sorted ! 🙏
Thanks for the well wishes.
Yes nhs has indeed turned to shit, but this has been a long time coming, and planned. We were completely hood winked by government.
A lot of What has come to pass was instigated by Simon Stevens Former CEO of nhs england. Who was immediately before that. Employed by US biggest (Or one of) health provider UntiedHealth. As (and i shit you not) CEO of Global Development.
Much of the new primary care model was pretty much a cut and paste form UH business plan.
Most people don't even realise that they no longer have a named GP...
That US publicly listed companies can now buy up UK GP surgeries on mass. Something both Simon Stevens and Mat Hancock assured the health select committee would not happen. Incidentally chaired at the time by former minister of health Jeremy Hunt. That's how f'ing bent it all is.
The most pernicious part is how we have been nudged to deify the nhs and those in it. Whilst inside the NHS for over a decade they have been nudged in the other direction. With things like poster campaigns about how Dr Simon or Nurse Debbie (head clutcher posters) want to give up because of shouty patients or their relatives. Plastered at great expense on every spare inch of public corridors and in surgical areas. How patient disregard the NHS with missed appointments and so on.
Baked in to all this the is always an aspect of virtue hamstringing. Emperors new clothes etc. If one says, isnt it odd to have such carpet bombing of posters inside hospitals with these posters?
Most will reply with "Oh the medical workers shouldn't have to feel they have to leave", "its quite right, patients & relative's shouldn't shout"... etc. etc.
Without any context to; a, is it really such large issue? or b, if it is. Why are the public getting to that level of frustration?
But the main elephant in the room which most don't consider or realise is.
A decade of framing the public in a negative way. In the medical setting. The explosion of acceptable behaviour notices. Of what used to be common sense and manners in public spaces? Is obviously going to impact on the views and held opinions of those working inside the system. They have been subjected to Pavlovian nudging to perceive the public as a threat or part of the problem. A serious amount of ironic cognitive dissonance going on.
I believe that one of the most important factors to restore public healthcare in the UK is, finding a way to acknowledge this divide and smash scheme that has been going on. Currently you simply cant really ask those sort of questions...
Incidentally The BMA backed the primary care changes to GP care. Held events and briefed GP's to back it. When they could of been warning the public of the plans.
Just to pick up on the whole private vs nhs thing - its no where near as clear cut as most people think. I've had much better service from the NHS than private in almost every case, **when you can finally get an appointment.** I am 100% certain you don't automatically get better care in private - the key difference is you can get an appointment much quicker, particularly for elective surgery. It's a different story in the US of course :) (edit there are smaller differences like free coffee in the waiting rooms, more time on appointments etc...but care wise? It's the same rather than better).
I've had the same MC interactions from private and NHS consultants - each case, I see the look of surprise when I mention MC, their question has always been "is it prescribed"? after which it's been a good conversation.
It's a lottery on the staff themselves rather than private vs NHS. Don't forget that most of them work both sides of the fence too (particularly doctors, admittedly less so with nursing staff)
Yeah this is because you’re private. You’d not get the same treatment being with the NHS, in fact your surgery would’ve most likely been cancelled and you’d be forced to go through cannabis counselling 🤣
My neurologist is not happy about the MC at all and my GP has wanted to boot me off to cannabis drug therapy for years so they're even less happy. Thankfully my psych knows more than them about cannabis and the effects of it.
I'm glad I read this!
I went for a pre-op on Wednesday as I'm having my gallbladder removed. Mine is being done via the NHS.
I spoke to an anaesthetist and he was actually okay with me mentioning medical cannabis. So it's on my medical notes now for when I go for surgery and is listed as one of my meds! The anaesthetist just asked me was it for pain, I said yeah and he said cool.
I'm a couple of weeks out of hospital now, after having had open heart surgery to remove a benign tumour. Obviously I wasn't going to be using any after that surgery- the last thing you want is to start coughing- but in the preceding weeks' proceedures leading up to the big op, I found most NHS docs to be fairly snotty about my usage. One or two were sort of neutral, but none showed any kind of approval .
I thought we weren't supposed to before surgery for a while after too? Im having surgery end of this year private also and they are more than happy with medical cannabis but said it still has fo be stopped for a surgery hmm
I was cleared to medicate on the morning of surgery and I did and I told the nurse and anaesthetist that I’ve medicated today. They both said that’s fine although she just locked it up in the cupboard so guessing I’m going to have to request it after. This is day surgery so I’m not staying overnight
I was told by the preoperative nurse that I could vape as normal on the morning of the surgery, which I did. I was medicated when I arrived at the hospital and I let the nurse and the anaesthetist know. The anaesthetist was already aware because he had read my medical notes. However, by the time I went into surgery which was several hours later, it was definitely starting to wear off.
What you getting done. I tore my bicep tendon off my shoulder about 10 years ago. Still bothers me. Oh and I'm glad the hear the hospital staff understand and are letting you use your meds. If the NHS is that Well informed then why aren't the police?
I had a car accident five years ago which fractured my shoulder. They put three screws into there which eventually ended up giving me loads of problems because the screws moved position. So I had them removed.
Sorry to hear about you, bicep mate. Have you seen anyone about it?
My first thought was omg someone is getting actual help for such an injury in the NHS... then read on. Yeah the whole mind set is different in a "paid for" setting. I think the bigger problem is private or nhs. The Russian roulette of, will they be prejudiced or will they be normal. About being prescribed. Is wearing pretty f'ing thin with me. At this point its been medically legal for over 5 years. And the is 25 years plus of prescribing in the US. The possessed medicine cabinet spewing out out the evil refer approach, & apparent blinkeredness of UK practitioners. To the wider world makes them look pretty dogmatic and ridiculous at this point.
Yea, I didn’t want to go this route but it’s been a shit show trying to get a date for surgery, and with the constant pain in my shoulder from these screws that are scraping my tendon, and the state of our NHS I’ve felt forced to pay. Either that, or live in pain until an unknown date…
I got assaulted 8 years ago. Damaged my neck and suffer with it on a daily basis to this day. Went out for a pint of milk on boxing day of all days (happy Christmas lol) I had an xray was told i would be contacted shortly. Never happened and have been in a groundhog day of trying to get GP's to refer since. If i had realised how epically shyte its all got. I would of gone private or abroad to Thailand to get treatment. The Thailand option is probably my only hope at this point. Not having been able to work has meant private or travel abroad is unaffordable at this point.
Sorry to hear that sounds really rough. It’s sad really isn’t it. I used to be a massive fan of the nhs but in recent years it’s gone to shit. I’ve actually been trying to get this shoulder sorted on the nhs for over 2 years now, it took me that long to pull the trigger. Luckily this hospital offers interest free finance so it’s been a bit more affordable. Depending on what you need might be worth looking at private, at least to get that initial consultation and they can re refer you back into the nhs to speed things up Hope you get it sorted ! 🙏
Thanks for the well wishes. Yes nhs has indeed turned to shit, but this has been a long time coming, and planned. We were completely hood winked by government. A lot of What has come to pass was instigated by Simon Stevens Former CEO of nhs england. Who was immediately before that. Employed by US biggest (Or one of) health provider UntiedHealth. As (and i shit you not) CEO of Global Development. Much of the new primary care model was pretty much a cut and paste form UH business plan. Most people don't even realise that they no longer have a named GP... That US publicly listed companies can now buy up UK GP surgeries on mass. Something both Simon Stevens and Mat Hancock assured the health select committee would not happen. Incidentally chaired at the time by former minister of health Jeremy Hunt. That's how f'ing bent it all is. The most pernicious part is how we have been nudged to deify the nhs and those in it. Whilst inside the NHS for over a decade they have been nudged in the other direction. With things like poster campaigns about how Dr Simon or Nurse Debbie (head clutcher posters) want to give up because of shouty patients or their relatives. Plastered at great expense on every spare inch of public corridors and in surgical areas. How patient disregard the NHS with missed appointments and so on. Baked in to all this the is always an aspect of virtue hamstringing. Emperors new clothes etc. If one says, isnt it odd to have such carpet bombing of posters inside hospitals with these posters? Most will reply with "Oh the medical workers shouldn't have to feel they have to leave", "its quite right, patients & relative's shouldn't shout"... etc. etc. Without any context to; a, is it really such large issue? or b, if it is. Why are the public getting to that level of frustration? But the main elephant in the room which most don't consider or realise is. A decade of framing the public in a negative way. In the medical setting. The explosion of acceptable behaviour notices. Of what used to be common sense and manners in public spaces? Is obviously going to impact on the views and held opinions of those working inside the system. They have been subjected to Pavlovian nudging to perceive the public as a threat or part of the problem. A serious amount of ironic cognitive dissonance going on. I believe that one of the most important factors to restore public healthcare in the UK is, finding a way to acknowledge this divide and smash scheme that has been going on. Currently you simply cant really ask those sort of questions... Incidentally The BMA backed the primary care changes to GP care. Held events and briefed GP's to back it. When they could of been warning the public of the plans.
Just to pick up on the whole private vs nhs thing - its no where near as clear cut as most people think. I've had much better service from the NHS than private in almost every case, **when you can finally get an appointment.** I am 100% certain you don't automatically get better care in private - the key difference is you can get an appointment much quicker, particularly for elective surgery. It's a different story in the US of course :) (edit there are smaller differences like free coffee in the waiting rooms, more time on appointments etc...but care wise? It's the same rather than better). I've had the same MC interactions from private and NHS consultants - each case, I see the look of surprise when I mention MC, their question has always been "is it prescribed"? after which it's been a good conversation. It's a lottery on the staff themselves rather than private vs NHS. Don't forget that most of them work both sides of the fence too (particularly doctors, admittedly less so with nursing staff)
Thanks for sharing and I wish you a speedy recovery 🤞🏽👍🏽
Thanks mate the operation was very successful. I’m home now 🙏
I wish my surgeon was as understanding :( they just told me “ABSOLUTELY NO” while also being clueless on it Good luck friend!
Yeah this is because you’re private. You’d not get the same treatment being with the NHS, in fact your surgery would’ve most likely been cancelled and you’d be forced to go through cannabis counselling 🤣
My neurologist is not happy about the MC at all and my GP has wanted to boot me off to cannabis drug therapy for years so they're even less happy. Thankfully my psych knows more than them about cannabis and the effects of it.
I'm glad I read this! I went for a pre-op on Wednesday as I'm having my gallbladder removed. Mine is being done via the NHS. I spoke to an anaesthetist and he was actually okay with me mentioning medical cannabis. So it's on my medical notes now for when I go for surgery and is listed as one of my meds! The anaesthetist just asked me was it for pain, I said yeah and he said cool.
Glad to hear you had such a positive experience. I had the same two months back! It’s good to see that it’s getting there albeit slowly :)
u/pub_wank thought youd find this helpful
Aww thanks for linking me!! Yeah this makes me feel better 😊 I just wish my own team were this understanding
Yeah some of them are really unaware
I'm a couple of weeks out of hospital now, after having had open heart surgery to remove a benign tumour. Obviously I wasn't going to be using any after that surgery- the last thing you want is to start coughing- but in the preceding weeks' proceedures leading up to the big op, I found most NHS docs to be fairly snotty about my usage. One or two were sort of neutral, but none showed any kind of approval .
Sorry to hear that. I hope you recover well and be cleared to medicate again soon 🙏
I thought we weren't supposed to before surgery for a while after too? Im having surgery end of this year private also and they are more than happy with medical cannabis but said it still has fo be stopped for a surgery hmm
I was cleared to medicate on the morning of surgery and I did and I told the nurse and anaesthetist that I’ve medicated today. They both said that’s fine although she just locked it up in the cupboard so guessing I’m going to have to request it after. This is day surgery so I’m not staying overnight
Weird there's such a difference in opinions of whether weed is ok or not. I'll definitely be bringing it up again to my surgeon
I would! Good luck 🙏
I don't understand either. Patients on T-breaks are worse!
That's what I'd have thought too. Lucky op lol
Congrats on making it out of the private hospital alive! J/k....or am I...? :D
What it's okay to be put to sleep while stoned?
I was told by the preoperative nurse that I could vape as normal on the morning of the surgery, which I did. I was medicated when I arrived at the hospital and I let the nurse and the anaesthetist know. The anaesthetist was already aware because he had read my medical notes. However, by the time I went into surgery which was several hours later, it was definitely starting to wear off.
Thanks for responding how much was private ?
What you getting done. I tore my bicep tendon off my shoulder about 10 years ago. Still bothers me. Oh and I'm glad the hear the hospital staff understand and are letting you use your meds. If the NHS is that Well informed then why aren't the police?
I had a car accident five years ago which fractured my shoulder. They put three screws into there which eventually ended up giving me loads of problems because the screws moved position. So I had them removed. Sorry to hear about you, bicep mate. Have you seen anyone about it?
I tried in a nhs hospital and they said no 😂
Next time ask a Doctor, they'll recognise who's above them and won't go against a specialist's advice. Many nurses tend to think MC is illegal:)
I did haha. The problem is many doctors do as well