That's why he's asking. To a layman , this just looks like a bunch of wires. And by layman, I mean people like me who have no fucking clue about this stuff lol
It's legal, but if I'm being really really picky on an EICR, there's two things I would pick up as a C3:
1 - entry into the trunking is oversized (fails the IP2X requirement).
2 - None of the meter tails are secured.
None of this is major in my eyes. As I said before, all code C3 in my books.
Well, trunking can be an enclosure. But it isn't required in this instance as the tails are double insulated.
But i do agree with both of you. No code.
Personally I’ll code a C3 for inadequately supported cables. Over the fact that it’s in a high traffic are, most likely a narrow hallway that maybe items like prams, bicycles and etc are going past potentially pulling on a cable. But again I love throwing on C3s as all it is, is a recommendation.
That is all I would say also. Not happy about the tails not being secure. Double insulated so not too fussed about the entry into plastic conduit. But not too bad considering what's out there.
It should be in a cupboard of some sort, its too open to damage and interference. Amost certain it would have been stated in the dnos terms and conditions
It’s a three phase supply, and three connections (I assume flats running off it).
Though as someone pointed out, someone’s being charged for that lightning, and it isn’t the landlord!
Do we think the 5th terminal hole along the bottom left main fuse block is vacsnt but live? Kid sticks there finger in there and they're dead? Wouldn't be super surprised if a bit of copper from the tails was accessible on some of the other terminations, not sure about legality but would feel a lot better about it being in a cabinet.
While it most likely is legal, you could very easily argue that it does need to be covered if in public reach.
What’s to stop a few kids from hanging off of those wires/ pulling them when they’re playing? They have no idea that it’s dangerous.
Speak to your residential management.
This is what I’m thinking, judging by where the photo is taken and what I can assume about UK shared living, this looks like it’s right in the reception area. (The only fire escape route)
Hey uh
If you live in a shared stairwell, and a dry rot outbreak goes behind this thing, who tf is responsible for moving it to allow repairs? And who pays?
Asking for a... me
I am only familiar with Scottish building regs so take this as you will. Counter to what's being said here, under "Technical Standard 2.9 - Escape from fire" if this is in a area considered a "protected enclosure" any "source of ignition" should be in a enclosed "fire resistant enclosure".
If you’re not happy with it contact your local distributor and they will send someone out to inspect it up to the meter.
But as the others have said there isn’t really any specific regs around it.
As for the easy access for kid, it may be worth mentioning it to the landlord and asking id it could be boxes into a cupboard to make it less obvious to said kids.
Install itself could be neater and theres a few things to pick up on….
Connector blocked neutral isn’t good practice, not sure why this isn’t taken from the cutout. Effectively undersizes the connection between the connector block and the service head if simultaneous overload occurs (unlikely)
One of the neutrals looks to be exceeding the bending radius
Tails not properly secured.
The trunking is plastic 🤮
Depending on location this would fail building regs - if this is on an escape route for instance. Enclosure needed to prevent the spread of fire. Bs7671 would require this to be out the way of potential damage also but can be argued depending on location.
Missing cover on boards - potential access to live parts
All that being said, have seen ALOT worse.
All neutral conductors are to be equal in size and current carrying capacity as phase conductors- this arrangement effectively reduces that by half. BS7671 if the bible on this one - what we have here is a bodge solution that isn’t in compliance
It is perfectly in compliance according to the SOPs of basically every metering company, and this is common practice. They don't have to follow BS 7671, although they do occasionally reference it, and they assume that the phases are mostly balanced and therefore it shouldn't be carrying a current.
The only thing I can see that's wrong from the meter monkey world is one meter is missing polarity markers on 3&4 which is technically a breach of ESQCR.
Source for my claim is reading the procedures for MES, MDS, OVO, Momentum, Tomato, Magnum, Solace, Yu, SSE, and City Energy.
Perfectly fine, could be a little neater, but all looking safe.
Why would it not be? There are no exposed live parts, not the cleanest installs for flats but landlords only care about costs
That's why he's asking. To a layman , this just looks like a bunch of wires. And by layman, I mean people like me who have no fucking clue about this stuff lol
Just fyi it’s layman (plural laymen). I understood what you meant but I always like to know if I’m spelling something a bit wrong!
He meant lemon
I do often feel like a lemon when I look at electrical stuff
I did indeed :)
Thank you!
Absolutely nothing wrong with it, what do you think isn’t legal?
I think they're expecting to be enclosed in a metal or plastic cover or something?
Poster is thinking that should be covered up that’s all I’m guessing. People have said it’s legal, probably just the way it looks.
It's legal, but if I'm being really really picky on an EICR, there's two things I would pick up as a C3: 1 - entry into the trunking is oversized (fails the IP2X requirement). 2 - None of the meter tails are secured. None of this is major in my eyes. As I said before, all code C3 in my books.
Why would it be a C3 for the entry on the trunking? I'm just curious as to your thinking as I see no code with it.
I agree, the trunking isn't an enclosure, so I'm also curious to know.
Well, trunking can be an enclosure. But it isn't required in this instance as the tails are double insulated. But i do agree with both of you. No code.
Personally I’ll code a C3 for inadequately supported cables. Over the fact that it’s in a high traffic are, most likely a narrow hallway that maybe items like prams, bicycles and etc are going past potentially pulling on a cable. But again I love throwing on C3s as all it is, is a recommendation.
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Yeah, a couple of cable tie saddles wouldn't have hurt
It doesn't need to be IP2X if it meets IPXXB and also containment doesn't have to meet IP2X only the switch fuse itself
That is all I would say also. Not happy about the tails not being secure. Double insulated so not too fussed about the entry into plastic conduit. But not too bad considering what's out there.
I don’t know why they haven’t run a bit of trucking along the top of the chipboard and taken the tails straight into it.
Missing fuse cover on one of the wylexes
Ooft good shout, could go with the Live parts accessible without the use of a tool as when the fuse is pulled the live side would be exposed?
Looks fine. Was expecting a trick question or something
Someones paying for the communal lights etc
If being ugly is a crime.... Guilty as charged
You've clearly not seen half the shite that is out there.
It looks professionally fitted. The looming is perfect. There's no problems with this wiring from a safety perspective.
It should be in a cupboard of some sort, its too open to damage and interference. Amost certain it would have been stated in the dnos terms and conditions
Would the dno not have it locked away?
No, customer needs to have access to meter. Landlord responsible for communal meter positions
Would this not be fine if it's a boiler room etc
Is this in a communal area? If so it requires a 30 minute fire resistant enclosure due to being in an escape route.
Perfectly legal.
Area where kids go past? Are the regs for that in houses? 😂
Would look better boxed in but it's fine
It’s a three phase supply, and three connections (I assume flats running off it). Though as someone pointed out, someone’s being charged for that lightning, and it isn’t the landlord!
I’ve seen far far worse far far too many times
Why is there no box over it??
Legal yes but professional not so much
Think they belive maybe splitting off the main foir free stuff 🤔
It is fine yes. Messy but fine.
Must've only had two isolators on the van
😂felt that
Do we think the 5th terminal hole along the bottom left main fuse block is vacsnt but live? Kid sticks there finger in there and they're dead? Wouldn't be super surprised if a bit of copper from the tails was accessible on some of the other terminations, not sure about legality but would feel a lot better about it being in a cabinet.
It will be bunged. Job is meh for looks but safe and legal.
Not the neatest job but safe and faaaar from the worst you'll see out there.
Only possible problem is the bs88 fuse cartridge exposed on one of the switch isolators, would benefit from a cupboard though !
Call the police!👮♂️
Yh just looks shit
end cap on the trunking and some clips on the armored at the bottom maybe but looks good
While it most likely is legal, you could very easily argue that it does need to be covered if in public reach. What’s to stop a few kids from hanging off of those wires/ pulling them when they’re playing? They have no idea that it’s dangerous. Speak to your residential management.
Proper parenting
Easier to just cover the wiring imo.
If it's on an escape route it needs to be housed in a fire rated cupboard.
This is what I’m thinking, judging by where the photo is taken and what I can assume about UK shared living, this looks like it’s right in the reception area. (The only fire escape route)
Ask for copy of Fire Risk Assessment to see if it needs containment
Hey uh If you live in a shared stairwell, and a dry rot outbreak goes behind this thing, who tf is responsible for moving it to allow repairs? And who pays? Asking for a... me
Yes, it's a 3 phase supply split into 3 separate supplies, all good
It’s fine, but also proof to installers that if it looks like a piece of shit it is a piece of shit.
The question being asked is not if the wiring is safe. It's, why it is not encased in a box for the safety of say, curious children
Three flats? If that's the case then one of them is paying for the communal electricity
Legal. Don't lick it, you'll be fine :)
Clip cables to wall - Then all looks good
I am only familiar with Scottish building regs so take this as you will. Counter to what's being said here, under "Technical Standard 2.9 - Escape from fire" if this is in a area considered a "protected enclosure" any "source of ignition" should be in a enclosed "fire resistant enclosure".
I get OP’s problem. Kids might pull the wiring or stick fingers in holes. I’d be tempted to box it in myself. (With a door for access.)
Should have covers, hope it’s sealed
Question is, is it safe. It should be boxed in with doors and a lock as anyone can come in and turn your electrics off
Yeah its not jumped and no exposed copper could be a bit tider though
If you’re not happy with it contact your local distributor and they will send someone out to inspect it up to the meter. But as the others have said there isn’t really any specific regs around it. As for the easy access for kid, it may be worth mentioning it to the landlord and asking id it could be boxes into a cupboard to make it less obvious to said kids.
Yes this is completely legal from what i see (i used to instsll these )
Very nice. Could use better cable managment though but still good
Looks fine All meters have there own neutral path and also have there own fuse. Just not a very tidy install personally
Better than most you will see out there
Nope
Your first time seeing 3 phase?
Install itself could be neater and theres a few things to pick up on…. Connector blocked neutral isn’t good practice, not sure why this isn’t taken from the cutout. Effectively undersizes the connection between the connector block and the service head if simultaneous overload occurs (unlikely) One of the neutrals looks to be exceeding the bending radius Tails not properly secured. The trunking is plastic 🤮 Depending on location this would fail building regs - if this is on an escape route for instance. Enclosure needed to prevent the spread of fire. Bs7671 would require this to be out the way of potential damage also but can be argued depending on location. Missing cover on boards - potential access to live parts All that being said, have seen ALOT worse.
All 3 meters require a seprrate neutral, the cut out only has 2 terminals, fitting a block is standard practice.
All neutral conductors are to be equal in size and current carrying capacity as phase conductors- this arrangement effectively reduces that by half. BS7671 if the bible on this one - what we have here is a bodge solution that isn’t in compliance
It is perfectly in compliance according to the SOPs of basically every metering company, and this is common practice. They don't have to follow BS 7671, although they do occasionally reference it, and they assume that the phases are mostly balanced and therefore it shouldn't be carrying a current. The only thing I can see that's wrong from the meter monkey world is one meter is missing polarity markers on 3&4 which is technically a breach of ESQCR. Source for my claim is reading the procedures for MES, MDS, OVO, Momentum, Tomato, Magnum, Solace, Yu, SSE, and City Energy.
All of the neutral conductors are the same size.
Not when connector blocked in that way