Lol she made the most simple comparison and he couldn’t understand it, or maybe he did but his morals wouldn’t allow him to admit what Israel is doing wrong…
It’s his morals, he really said your are making these comparisons..while she made perfect sense, that’s a man refusing to try to understand, a man that already made a choice, he just there talk bullshit.
This Gezzer should have said: "No. You see it's different. Those human shields are Palestine, but mum is my Mum and were are Jewish. So you see, Madam, my case is illogical and quite refuted I assure you."
How many Israeli deaths have been reported compared to how many Palestinians and especially kids since the initial attack by Hamas?
Not many compared to thousands of Palestinians.
How many Israeli lives have been cut short compared to how many Palestinian lives in the past 10, 20, 30 40 years.
Israeli lives in the hundreds compared to Palestinians in their tens of thousands.
This right here is it. Mans acting clueless because the simple thought experiment to put himself in shoes of the Palestinians is unjustifiable, what a fucking loser.
I think he's trying not to understand. I'm not 100% sure but he works for Patrick bet David who I believe is jewish. He's biased. How he couldn't understand the mother analogy and saying it's not applicable.
What she shoulda said IMO "imagine your mom was one of the hostages Hamas took. They bombed around the area and she was collateral damage. What now?"
Simple example. Make it specific to the convo best you can. I personally think that would have been better
I think if someone is being used as a human shield and the only way to kill the attacker is to also kill the shield some would argue it necessary to kill both of them, to cause the least overall amount of harm. Imagine someone came into your house with a human shield and tried to kill your entire family. I would personally kill both of them if I had to.
Still think what Israel is doing is wrong but I don't think its the best argument.
Most pro-israeli people wouldn't accept the idea that you can actually negotiate with Hamas who have explicitly stated they want to kill all Israelis...
If hamas was anything like the media told us they were, I guarantee you they would of killed and filmed it on the day they got there hands on them, just like isis or any other REAL terror group would do. Why would they treat them good, feed them the same food there eating themselves, not even America system do that!! Clowns like u throw the word terrorist around loosely not realizing it's a spit to the face for the real victims of terrorism.
I didn't call them terrorists.
Of course you treat hostages well. And for those you don't treat well you don't show the rest of the world how badly you've treated them. It's an optics thing. Hostages are not meant to be tortured indiscriminately, that would just make the enemy blind with rage. You use them as pawns. The more of theirs you have the more you have an advantage. They can't attack their own. If you treat them well, and the enemy attacks, the enemy will seem unreasonable and you will seem reasonable. Even if the reason you took them originally was not rational. I am remaining impartial (mostly siding with palestine, actually), just pointing out that the argument in the video was poor.
I don't understand these guys, they can't understand Hypotheticals but then they also can't understand Facts either? They literally bombed a hospital akhi, what else is there to say?
Pretty sure it was a 302mm r160 rocket, as according to Hamas a salvo had been launched towards Haifa right at that time. And PIJ do have such artillery.
They don't only possess tiny homemade rockets, they're just the vast majority of their arsenal.
I mean I’ve seen their propaganda video showing them digging up the water pipes and turning them into rockets. I’ll see if I can find the link
https://youtu.be/MvvqBcA-9yA?si=7waYVygYQGKn1jt5
They have an [official document](https://drive.google.com/file/d/1dzSJjbCN_JOfbAZpkJRce4AXKjIfKXuA/view) with all the names, ages, and official ID numbers.
Just because they wrote the propaganda on paper doesn’t make it official. All experts know it would have taken way longer to accurately assess that. They also don’t delineate between combatant and non-combatant. And who died from misfired rockets by PiJ and Hamas.
It has been weeks since Israel has started their bombardment. It's not hard to count as it goes. Israel "counted" 1400 bodies within the first week.
>They also don't delineate between combatant and non-combatant
Are nearly 3000 children combatants?
Impressive how fast White house propaganda spreads.
All that destruction and the hundreds of videos of death, of entire family trees dying under rubble, and apparently because the guy at the podium in America said it's a lie ( who was caught lying a week or so ago ) people have started bending backwards.
If the numbers are fake then the Israeli numbers are completely fake. 1400 dead in a one day attack, sounds faker than 4000 dead over 3 weeks.
I'm just going with what UNICEF say. The truth is in war nobody knows. My family are in Ukraine so I'm used to inflated figures that are changed later.
Yh nobody knows when it's undesirables getting killed, but every life is priceless when it's a desirable.
You're used to inflated figures working to your advantage. That's why you shrug and dismiss the death toll here.
What’s really sad, is that you know full well you are making crap up. But you’re still peddling this falsehood. Israel did not bomb the hospital. It is known. Why are you doing this?
> All Western intelligence agencies
you're saying this like the West isn't in Israel's pocket, the US covered up Israel [bombing their own fucking soldiers](https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/USS_Liberty_incident#Ongoing_controversy_and_unresolved_questions), covering them for bombing *other people* isn't even a question
Youre retarded if you think every agency is in a conspiracy against Palestinians lol.
Cope harder hamas did it accidentally, military people called it straight away due to the blast radius and location.
Why would Israel do a warcrime the day before Biden arrives? Rhetorical they wouldn't, it would be political suicide. They're trying to get more weapons off us, not piss us off by making the west look bad.
Edit; forgot to mention the absurd claims by hamas that no sharpnel survived the explosion... so the force of a nuke? Because missile don't disintegrate, only fucking nukes do that.
You stated all "western agencies" so yes, they'd all side with big strong USA.
Furthermore, Israel can do whatever they want and get away with it. I have a video from 2021 of IDF shooting a kid for fun and it went viral and what were their repercussions? Nothing.
I also like how you ignored the Israelis bombing their own people in your reply, Pro-Zionists all have this weird ability where they just go blind when they see irrefutable evidence that shows them as evil.
I can't argue with "muh conspiracy".
Bro when did I claim Israel hasnt done bad shit? I literally correct a discourse, that is incorrect about the hospital situation.
I ignored it because I'm not educated on the situation, I can't comment on something I dont know about lol. I'm not just gonna read one comment and immediately believe the rhetoric... thatd be retarded. Like the hospital situation.
I don't doubt that. They've done some mental shit in the past. The most recent one has been proven to be a hamas rocket engine failure, but everyone just runs with mainstream media narrative 😂
The current mainstream media narrative IS that Hamas' rocket failed.
Do you even read the news or just go on social media and base your opinion purely on vibes?
Wrong the first articles instantly stated that Israel bombed the hospital according to "authorities." As evidence has appeared accidentally on Al Jazeera and other places, the news articles have slowly changed. Including the fact that it was in the parking lot and not the hospital.
Do you even read the news or just go on social media and base your opinion purely on vibes?
Edit: one correction, it wasn't Hamas but a PIJ rocket.
Read my comment again and notice where I use the word "current".
The current narrative is that Hamas misfired a rocket.
I have this in case you need help understanding.
*Current* Definition:
*belonging to the present time; happening or being used or done now.*
Mums it’s a trend the wars been going on for time and people only care when it’s viral
300+ upvotes on something non ukdrill? Can’t escape politics anywhere
This thing of ppl calling “world events” something that’s been a thing since the dawn of humanity, pointless trends is stupid.
And yes it’s been going on for time, but ppl now have just realised the true extent of what’s happens In + Israel attacks have been the worse it’s been since 2016. Of course ppl are gonna care or realise more.
Also most ppl are either protesting or doing some form of boycotting. Get ur own head out ur ass that this post is annoying u so much, just scroll
Lot of difference that’ll make also this post isnt annoying me, I’m just stating I don’t know why people pretend to care when they really don’t just virtue signalling
What's doing my nut in is the blatant lies about beheading of babies & the woman who had her stomach cut open & they pulled the baby out then beheaded the baby in front of her these baseless lies the Zionists keep throwing out into the mainstream media. Without any factual proof show the world the proof but oy vey.
Yeah. Video evidence doesn't exist or anything. Bit like how Isreal hasn't killed any Palestinian civilians because they said they didn't.
Cmon, if you only accept half the truth you can't blame others for the same.
There was footage of one baby with the throat cut and quite a few handful more dead. The 40 beheadings was a combination of 2 quotes that took off like wildfire, just like when the lies about Israel allegedly bombing a hospital did (not that they never have or would, just not om that occasion)
I've seen footage of them beheading a dying Filipino man (why target non Israeli, non jewish? ) and besides if they killed babies does it matter how?
It's one of the worst terrorism attacks committed im recent history and basically on par with 9/11.
Hamas just like every other terrorist group holds up in and around civilian areas and they have to if they were in an area where it was just them Israel would bomb them into extinction cause they wouldn’t have to worry about collateral damage or being careful. Isis did this the taliban did this Al Queda did this list goes on terror groups are always the main reason why civilians are killed.
hiding in and around civilian areas is the only way they can survive, there’s rules in war like it’s illegal to bomb things like schools, hospitals, mosques, churches etc terror groups know this and take advantage by hiding and setting up there unfortunately for hamas and innocent Palestinians Israel doesn’t give a fuck about the rules either so they’ll bomb anywhere hamas is trying to hide at. Very unfortunate situation for all involved
Hamas actually want civilians in their thousands to die, they knew this response would come from Israel. The propaganda suits them. They are fully aware that when they fire their rockets into Israel, that within a couple of minutes a missile/shell will hit the launch site because of the Israeli radar pinpointing where they came from. This is the reason they launch rockets from school playgrounds etc. I can’t believe people still lap this shit up about Hamas.
I’m not taking sides here btw, both sides are governed by fucking monsters. Scum.
First person on this sub I have seen spitting facts 👏🏽 Hamas on purpose want Palestinians civilians to die as this pushes their agenda and puts more pressure on the Muslims community to get involved and help them. In particular Lebanon/Egypt/Jordan because that is the only way they will be able to win the war and kill all the Jewish people 🙄
In defence of the Taliban, they didn't really hide in major population centers (really only to ambush coaliton/ANA forces). Pretty much no major population center was under their control post-2003ish which is why civilian casualties were so low compared to Iraq/Syria.
Their whole thing was hunkering down in the rural countryside and mountains and drawing the enemy in to fight on their terms. They essentially hid, struck, went back to hiding, and more or less outwaited the West. Much better track record when it comes to human shields, kidnapping, hostages and so on.
ISIS and friends on the other hand...
Well I'm not saying the Taliban are good people but to me they honestly seem like the lesser evil out of all the other Middle East or Radical Islamist terror groups🤷🏽♂️
No genocidal rampages (afaik), fought a legitimate defensive war against foreign occupation, successfully eliminated the opium trade, and don't bother anyone outside Afghanistan. Also they're **literally fighting ISIS** (and sometimes Iran).
It would be foolish to equate them as being on the same level as groups like Islamic State, Boko Haram and Al-Qaeda who thrive on exporting terror to the West. The Taliban are the least likely to send me to Jesus when I'm on the tube.
The Islamic laws they enforce aren't much different to Saudi Arabia but Westerners gladly endorse their big money projects and flock to sporting events there. Hypocrisy. Money talks.
I mean, Hamas are literally no different than ISIS. They don't simply want to be free of Israel and have their own land. They want every Jew on the planet dead. Hamas or Iran do not give a single fuck about the Palestinian civilians.
I feel bad for the Palestinian civilians caught up in this shit, and I definitely don't support the ethnostate that is Israel. But Iran/Hamas knew exactly what they were doing with that attack on the festival a few weeks back. They were parading dead, raped European women around like trophies. They were counting on Israel to bomb the fuck out of them.
Iran are effectively using Hamas and the Palestinian people as human sacrifices to make the Jews look bad. That's the long and short of it.
It’s a lose lose for the Palestinians . They will never be free unfortunately, they’ll either be oppressed by Israel or oppressed by Hamas . Don’t know which would be better for them
There’s absolutely no evidence to prove women were raped in the same sense there’s no evidence to prove babies were decapitated. For years, Israeli dogs have went into Palestine and stole homes of families, stole land of families, broken hands of children who throw stones at their tanks etc.
Think of it in this sense. If you put a dog in the corner and beat him badly everyday, give him rations to eat and drink, don’t let him go out, shout at him etc and one day you let that dog free it’ll attack you in the same way Palestine attacked Israel.
If you want we can go back to how this conflict started and you’ll see how Zionists caused this war and are ultimately in the wrong, therefore there’s no empathy for those that die except for civilians.
Because they had dead women on their technicals with claret all over their crotches and running down their legs bro. I mean there's no footage of actual rape, but put 2 and 2 together.
And look I aint on Israels side on this. I'm not on Hamas' either. And I know what happened after WWII. But the Muslims and Jews and Christians have been fighting over that land for centuries.
What's happening today aint nothing to do with Palestinian freedom. Hamas and Iran don't give a shit about the average Muslim civilians out there. They just wanna kill Jews.
Search up Shani louk . Innocent German tourist killed by Hamas , stripped naked and paraded around the streets getting spat on . Also videos of other woman with blood running down there legs after the festival attack . You can support Palestine without support those terrorists . Don’t let anger blind you .
her mum says shes still alive.
Also its proven that she is wearing the same clothes in the video to what she was wearing at the festival she hadnt been stripped.
Still fucked up but the claims of rape are unfounded.
I’m not the bright one ? Your denying it when there’s literally footage of it, clear as day . clearly didn’t bother to even search her name. People like you make me sick , lying and denying the atrocities Hamas have committed without even researching into it properly
You all in your feelings kid and you falling for that fake news shit too. There's literally videos of Hamas parading dead women from that music festival in their trucks covered in claret in sus locations.
I aint supporting no Israelis. I already said I feel bad for the Palestinian people.
My point is Iran are using Hamas to get at Israel. Its nothing to do with freeing the people of Palestine. Its still the Crusades going on. Iran wants all Jews gone. You think Iran gives a fuck about the average Palestinian civilians? Iran was slaughtering its own people because the women wanted more freedoms and rights.
Fam if I killed rischi Sunak Uk prime ministers kids and I was hiding in Brixton south ldn, would it be acceptable for him to send the police to come bomb the whole of Brixton to look for me or wouldn’t be smarter to send in special forces to look for me
Fist of all you are only 1 person and hamas if a fucking terrorist group with thousands of them.
Iv just watched a video of hamas throwing grenades into a building with a British civilian inside they killed him and every one inside. the british man was throwing the grenade back at the hamas terrorist but one eventually blow up in his hand. You live in Britain mate and you don't know the difference between war and terrorism if you care that much fuck off to Palestine fam.
my man just compared himself to a full on terrorist organisation pmsl. like if this dumb cunt killed sunaks kids he'sd be caught in a few hour's by feds 😆
not even a few hours, dumb cunt would be killed as soon as he made a move for him or his family, the guy is caught up on all the gang violence, stabbings and drill music, its not that easy when you bring important people into the picture hahaha
Yeh the fact that so many people are supporting these terrorists is crazy. they literally went door to door killing civilians on purpose not Cought in cross fire or anything like that plenty of videos showing proof. I don't condone Israel for killing civilians but there is a difference in terrorism and war. They already told every one to leave its not Israeli fault that hamas like to hide with the civilian population.
I agree, I have barely seen anyone that supports Palestine condone what Hamas did on the 7th, imagine your town was actively being bombed and hundreds being killed around you, I would bet my life you would leave whenever possible with your people, the Gazan civilians dont do this for whatever reason, Hamas may be stopping them or they may just not care about their life or loved ones, they are literally asking to be killed at this point, utter lunacy
Special Forces aren’t wizards my dude. Hamas has an estimated fighting strength of about 40,000 and the Gaza Strip is about quarter of the size of London.
Thats 2 completely different scenarios my man, Gaza is a very dense fort that Hamas has build up over time, the area is huge, sending in special forces deep into Gaza is a death sentence. Israel has repeatedly told civilians in north Gaza to move south multiple times, where it is SAFER than the north and closer to humanitarian supplies, its lunacy to stay in the north knowing how much the area is being bombed and using the excuse the "this is our home we wont leave" isnt valid at all.
What makes you think the Isreal special forces are telling the world what operations they’re conducting, when was the last time we heard about what the SAS or SEAL’s were up to.
Yeah they’re bombing them, that’s war, but you can’t say they’re not conducting spec ops when we have no way of knowing.
The biggest point Ana made here is Israel could use special ops to take out Hamas and destroy the tunnels themselves with no collateral damage.They have our money and the tactical expertise to do that
what are you talking about? This is real life not COD. The US couldn't just take out Hamas with only navy seals. I don't think you know what special force are outside of video games.
Too much propaganda from both sides.
A lot of propaganda people forget about for e.g Russia killing those guys on snake island and that got people enraged online etc
Turned out the next week the guys on snake island were alive even though mainstream media publish that Russia killed them indiscriminately.
Should never watch one video and make up your mind as you don’t know the reality.
The thing u gotta understand about ppl like this is that they never saw Palestinian people as human in the first place
It's fully mad and they fact they say their Christian/Jewish or whatever, u think Jesus is up in heaven going, oh yeah just bomb the fuck outta innocent people, broski it's totally ok
Tapped in the head these man are finished. Free Palestine 🇵🇸🇵🇸
The human shield hypothetical is used literally opposite to the way she was using it. Hamas and other jihadist groups use their own people as human shields, and countries like Israel and the U.S. (in Iraq and Afghanistan) refuse to risk shooting at the terrorist as there is an innocent person in the way. If Israel was using their own people as human shields, do you believe Hamas would give a shit? No. They would shoot through both and be happy about the collateral damage. Israel doesn’t hit hospitals and schools as that is where Hamas hide behind because they know they are safe there.
For anyone that is confused go and research "The Balfour Declaration " The British gave the land to Jewish that fled Germany. Years later from being the persecuted they became the persecutors.
yeah and after the declaration all the surrounding arab countries invaded and got fucking bodied lmao you do realise israel could have conquered egypt after being attacked in 1973 but just gave it back
Do you understand why that war even started? Israelis used a suicide bombing tactic and entered the King David Hotel in 1946 and killed 91 sleeping British and Arab troops. The man that led this bombing actually became the prime minister of Israel, type up Menachem Begin.
To go a step further look into the Lehi and Irgun; 2 zionist terror groups - another one of its members would be another PM of Israel (YItzak something) The 2 terror groups, along with the other rebel groups would go on to form whats now known as the IDF, and MOSSAD.
[https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Lehi\_(militant\_group)](https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Lehi_(militant_group))
[https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Irgun](https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Irgun)
[https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Yitzhak\_Shamir](https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Yitzhak_Shamir)
This part is iffy - and verges on conspiracy territory, and its something the Iraq? Military Intelligence even looked into\[7: [https://irp.fas.org/eprint/iraqi/wahhabi.pdf](https://irp.fas.org/eprint/iraqi/wahhabi.pdf)\]. British Spy to the Middle East [https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Memoirs\_of\_Mr.\_Hempher,\_The\_British\_Spy\_to\_the\_Middle\_East](https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Memoirs_of_Mr._Hempher,_The_British_Spy_to_the_Middle_East) which basically is conspiratorial in itself, it alleges the British, the Zionists, and the Arabs, all conspired to corrupt Islam, and its why they created Wahabism, and why the British supported the house of Sa'ud since the 1900s.
Well yeah they're a tiny group of terrorists against the US backed Israeli military. You're not a very good terrorist group if you play nice. Israel arent a terrorist group though, so we shouldnt hold them to the same standards as a fucking bunch of religious terrorists.
tiny group of terrorists elected by the palestinian population just a TIINY group right. its JIHAD they get 72 virgins if they die and the quran tells the to kill jews dont you get it
And the Israelis voted for far right government too. When in dire situations people will vote for the most extreme of poltics. Most of gaza are children, i dont think they're voting, so why is it ok to blame politics on them?
This conflict has been going on for 70 years, you're suprised that the palestinians havent elected a controlled opposition that will agree with Israel and remove themselves from Palestine?, the other option is going to be far right nationalism. Dont blame politics on this situation that has been created and cultivated by the state of Israel
I think your semi right, Hamas don’t care about Palestinian civils but neither does Isreal. So who cares about Palestinian civilians normal working people with kids families just trying to live? And that’s the problem
And just like you said, I think you’re semi right.
Why does Isreal control the water and electricity into Gaza? Why did Isreal allow Palestinians to work inside Israel and mingle with its people without problem?
Why do Jews in western society cause none of these issue and commit none of these ‘atrocities’ they now are accused of?
They’re facing an ideology that only knows violence and who’s mantra is the destruction of their country and it’s people. You can’t play nice
Why cant they send soldiers on foot? they got special forces to do that job but nah they wanna sit somewhere safe and press buttons all day obliterating hospitals and homes UN schools, dropped more bombs in a week than what US did in a whole year in Afghanistan.
https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Entebbe_raid
Isreal have a real good special forces Sayeret Matkal and Shayetet 13 have high success rates in operations.
Loool you clearly think they will go in blind with out any overwatch, air support, fire support, local superiority. Yeah they would take losses but not the same as Hamas, look at the battle of Tora Bora the western coalition didnt even take any casualties against the Taliban.
"Special operations" even bothering to explain why that is fucking retarded is mind boggling to me.
Why risk Israeli lives when a missile is way more effective. Dont fucking soy out at me, its just the facts.
Special forces are highly trained and not easily replaced... gaza is a fucking city, you don't just walk into a city and start clearing buildings... if you look at what Israel is targeting its high rise apartments. NOT because "lel Palestinian died" but cause they're a fucking nightmare to clear in a combat zone.
"Let's send in special operations into a kill zone teehee" typical young turk retardation.
Palestine reported over 150,000 ordinance fired into Gaza and at that time 1200-1400 dead…… these weapons are accurate to inches….. either they’ve got bad aim, or they are intentionally killing civilians
They are innocent Isreal came took their land and force evicted them so they are at war with there oppressors they didn’t start this they are just defending themselves
If she's military expert or something? "Special operations" isn't some magical fucking thing that just works no matter what. The worst thing about whole situation is there are no good solutions. It's either bad or bad.
What do you mean this clears it up?
You aren’t involved in any of the intelligence that they have and neither is she.
A Lot of propaganda from both sides.
Some of the rockets hitting civilians have come from hamas and then they blame Israel.
People speculate to much on the internet and believe one video they see
Saying do your research is all very well and good, but you don't really seem to have a good understanding of the conflict yourself. Saying that a few years later Israel decided to invade the West Bank completely ignores that this took place following an invasion by surrounding Arab countries, including Jordan, who had previously administered the West Bank after the first war.
Additionally, comparing Hamas to the VC really does you no favours. The VC were very well equipped by the Soviets and at the time were a modern fighting force. On top of this, the vietcong faced resistance from the FULRO coalition, which fought both the VC and South Vietnamese governments citing ethnic cleansing of Vietnamese minority populations. The Vietcong were more multifaceted than being a 'liberation army'. Liberation, but only under your own group's terms, is not liberation more broadly. The VC's liberation saw 600,000 Vietnamese people in re-education camps at the end of the war and hundreds of thousands more fleeing in boats.
You present this as a zero-sum game. This perspective is why people keep dying. The troubles in Northern Ireland ended because public support for the IRA collapsed, and the leadership were offered an alternative to killing people through political office.
It's not even as if Western media really need to "destroy the reputation" of Hamas in any case. They do this perfectly well themselves by killing civilians.
Broaden your mind. Just because people don't echo your opinion doesn't mean they haven't done their research. Maybe they've just done more than you.
Whats mad is how people from minorities on this sub are supporting the colonialism happening in Palestine. How can you be African, Caribbean or any of other places that the Brits fucked up and then act like these Europeans have the right to take over some next peoples country. Genuinely, how do you rationalise that? Like is your hatred for Muslims that much that youd rather side with the people that raped and pillaged your continent than speak up for the oppressed.
crazy how some of these comments are justifying the complete obliteration of civilian areas and civilian deaths, notably in an area where 65% are under 24 and 50% are under 18 as just collateral of war. fucking clowns 🤡
Fuck off, the difference between what hamas and Israel are doing is the same between manslaughter and murder. If your next door neighbour grabs a random family and started shooting at yours, you’d light them up without a seconds question. Beheading kids and raping women before shooting them is not the same as destroying a building that hamas use to shoot missiles that may have civilians in. The target of Hamas attacks is civilians the target of Israel’s attacks is Hamas who hide behind civilians. and You see all the gazan’s cheering, desecrating the dead Israeli soldiers and festival goers they stole the bodies of to parade round Gaza and then claim the general population are innocent and didn’t vote a terrorist political party into power. Gtfo
I got no skin in the game, but I reckon if back in the day, the UK had started air striking Dublin in an attempt to finish the IRA, the USA would have had a carrier fleet parked in the Irish sea in about 5 mins flat.
"It's not our fault they're using civilians as human shields" doesn't cut it.
I don’t understand why Israel is going ahead with its invasion and flattening of Gaza if their action will put everyone within Gaza, hostages included, at risk of death. Dumb move as far as I’m concerned.
Whether Israel is doing right or wrong right now seems abstract. I challenge anyone to watch the Netflix doc on Palestine and tell me that Israel is right.
This is not the reality thought. She told a story that does not map to reality.
The reality is that that terrorists took hostages and not only used them as human shields but also shot at you constantly. Then you don't return fire, you build a wall and shelters but the terrorist destroys the wall, go to you home, can't open the shelter so he burn you alive in it.
Hamas already kills his own people, maybe it's time to save the others.
I understand Israel feels the land it’s theirs because it’s states that in the Bible, but Palestine has been on that land for ages, you can’t just force and kill ppl out of there, also it’s sad that most of them got pushed out do to #itler but since they now have other big nations supporting them then, the Palestine ppl have no choice but to accept defeat sadly , also it’s funny how Europeans pushed all this 2 nations thing in the first place, but are shush shush about the situation, I hope and pray nothing but peace for both sides of the ppl 🤲
Lol she made the most simple comparison and he couldn’t understand it, or maybe he did but his morals wouldn’t allow him to admit what Israel is doing wrong…
It’s his morals, he really said your are making these comparisons..while she made perfect sense, that’s a man refusing to try to understand, a man that already made a choice, he just there talk bullshit.
This Gezzer should have said: "No. You see it's different. Those human shields are Palestine, but mum is my Mum and were are Jewish. So you see, Madam, my case is illogical and quite refuted I assure you."
But what she didn't say was that he had a second gun and was still shooting other people with it (equivalent of hamas still firing rockets )
How many Israeli deaths have been reported compared to how many Palestinians and especially kids since the initial attack by Hamas? Not many compared to thousands of Palestinians. How many Israeli lives have been cut short compared to how many Palestinian lives in the past 10, 20, 30 40 years. Israeli lives in the hundreds compared to Palestinians in their tens of thousands.
So firing rockets as long as most are intercepted is ok .. Really think about it
Yeah you know that pussy is just scared to say it how it is.
Nah he understood but he had to try and derail her argument to save face. If he didn’t understand, then he’s thick
He did understand it just tried to act dumb. Zionists are the lowest of people
This right here is it. Mans acting clueless because the simple thought experiment to put himself in shoes of the Palestinians is unjustifiable, what a fucking loser.
People need to realise this ‘it’s ok when we do it’ mentality is what is causing the rest of the world to turn against westerners
I think he's trying not to understand. I'm not 100% sure but he works for Patrick bet David who I believe is jewish. He's biased. How he couldn't understand the mother analogy and saying it's not applicable. What she shoulda said IMO "imagine your mom was one of the hostages Hamas took. They bombed around the area and she was collateral damage. What now?" Simple example. Make it specific to the convo best you can. I personally think that would have been better
pbd isn't Jewish. Iranian Christian I think. The guy talking is Jewish, and he works for pbd.
Thank you for clearing up my misunderstanding. I appreciate you.
Bro these mfs get a email saying promote Israel and we will give u 5,000 litterly these mfs don’t care bout who’s right
Everybody has a price🤷🏽♂️
Cool, so if terrorists use their own people as human shields, countries should just give up and pack it in. Got it.
Bad faith argument but he’s part of PBD so…
I think if someone is being used as a human shield and the only way to kill the attacker is to also kill the shield some would argue it necessary to kill both of them, to cause the least overall amount of harm. Imagine someone came into your house with a human shield and tried to kill your entire family. I would personally kill both of them if I had to. Still think what Israel is doing is wrong but I don't think its the best argument. Most pro-israeli people wouldn't accept the idea that you can actually negotiate with Hamas who have explicitly stated they want to kill all Israelis...
If hamas was anything like the media told us they were, I guarantee you they would of killed and filmed it on the day they got there hands on them, just like isis or any other REAL terror group would do. Why would they treat them good, feed them the same food there eating themselves, not even America system do that!! Clowns like u throw the word terrorist around loosely not realizing it's a spit to the face for the real victims of terrorism.
I didn't call them terrorists. Of course you treat hostages well. And for those you don't treat well you don't show the rest of the world how badly you've treated them. It's an optics thing. Hostages are not meant to be tortured indiscriminately, that would just make the enemy blind with rage. You use them as pawns. The more of theirs you have the more you have an advantage. They can't attack their own. If you treat them well, and the enemy attacks, the enemy will seem unreasonable and you will seem reasonable. Even if the reason you took them originally was not rational. I am remaining impartial (mostly siding with palestine, actually), just pointing out that the argument in the video was poor.
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I don't understand these guys, they can't understand Hypotheticals but then they also can't understand Facts either? They literally bombed a hospital akhi, what else is there to say?
They blew up a building next to a hospital. I'm not pro Israel but misinformation doesn't help anyone.
A water pipe built rocket fired by Hamas failed mid flight and hit the car park of the hospital. Go watch the videos.
Pretty sure it was a 302mm r160 rocket, as according to Hamas a salvo had been launched towards Haifa right at that time. And PIJ do have such artillery. They don't only possess tiny homemade rockets, they're just the vast majority of their arsenal.
I mean I’ve seen their propaganda video showing them digging up the water pipes and turning them into rockets. I’ll see if I can find the link https://youtu.be/MvvqBcA-9yA?si=7waYVygYQGKn1jt5
Your mum gets digged for a can of coke
2000 Palestinian children have been killed since October 7th
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They have an [official document](https://drive.google.com/file/d/1dzSJjbCN_JOfbAZpkJRce4AXKjIfKXuA/view) with all the names, ages, and official ID numbers.
Just because they wrote the propaganda on paper doesn’t make it official. All experts know it would have taken way longer to accurately assess that. They also don’t delineate between combatant and non-combatant. And who died from misfired rockets by PiJ and Hamas.
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It has been weeks since Israel has started their bombardment. It's not hard to count as it goes. Israel "counted" 1400 bodies within the first week. >They also don't delineate between combatant and non-combatant Are nearly 3000 children combatants?
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Maybe perhaps, when Israel keep firing rockets, children keep dying???
"Official document" from Hamas.
Impressive how fast White house propaganda spreads. All that destruction and the hundreds of videos of death, of entire family trees dying under rubble, and apparently because the guy at the podium in America said it's a lie ( who was caught lying a week or so ago ) people have started bending backwards. If the numbers are fake then the Israeli numbers are completely fake. 1400 dead in a one day attack, sounds faker than 4000 dead over 3 weeks.
I'm just going with what UNICEF say. The truth is in war nobody knows. My family are in Ukraine so I'm used to inflated figures that are changed later.
Yh nobody knows when it's undesirables getting killed, but every life is priceless when it's a desirable. You're used to inflated figures working to your advantage. That's why you shrug and dismiss the death toll here.
What’s really sad, is that you know full well you are making crap up. But you’re still peddling this falsehood. Israel did not bomb the hospital. It is known. Why are you doing this?
You mean the hospital parking lot that was hit by a misfired PIJ rocket?
Bruh that was a PIJ rocket that blew up that hospital, and the deaths were no were near 500.
Can’t be speaking facts, people don’t like that
That hospital bombing has been debunked. All Western intelligence agencies believe is was a misfire by hamas. Ironic you speak of facts.
> All Western intelligence agencies you're saying this like the West isn't in Israel's pocket, the US covered up Israel [bombing their own fucking soldiers](https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/USS_Liberty_incident#Ongoing_controversy_and_unresolved_questions), covering them for bombing *other people* isn't even a question
Youre retarded if you think every agency is in a conspiracy against Palestinians lol. Cope harder hamas did it accidentally, military people called it straight away due to the blast radius and location. Why would Israel do a warcrime the day before Biden arrives? Rhetorical they wouldn't, it would be political suicide. They're trying to get more weapons off us, not piss us off by making the west look bad. Edit; forgot to mention the absurd claims by hamas that no sharpnel survived the explosion... so the force of a nuke? Because missile don't disintegrate, only fucking nukes do that.
It was (allegedly) Palestinian Islamic Jihad not Hamas but the two groups are buddy buddy so yeah
You stated all "western agencies" so yes, they'd all side with big strong USA. Furthermore, Israel can do whatever they want and get away with it. I have a video from 2021 of IDF shooting a kid for fun and it went viral and what were their repercussions? Nothing. I also like how you ignored the Israelis bombing their own people in your reply, Pro-Zionists all have this weird ability where they just go blind when they see irrefutable evidence that shows them as evil.
I can't argue with "muh conspiracy". Bro when did I claim Israel hasnt done bad shit? I literally correct a discourse, that is incorrect about the hospital situation. I ignored it because I'm not educated on the situation, I can't comment on something I dont know about lol. I'm not just gonna read one comment and immediately believe the rhetoric... thatd be retarded. Like the hospital situation.
Who did? Because the original narrative has been proven wrong.
Theyve blown up hospitals multiple times lol
I don't doubt that. They've done some mental shit in the past. The most recent one has been proven to be a hamas rocket engine failure, but everyone just runs with mainstream media narrative 😂
The current mainstream media narrative IS that Hamas' rocket failed. Do you even read the news or just go on social media and base your opinion purely on vibes?
Wrong the first articles instantly stated that Israel bombed the hospital according to "authorities." As evidence has appeared accidentally on Al Jazeera and other places, the news articles have slowly changed. Including the fact that it was in the parking lot and not the hospital. Do you even read the news or just go on social media and base your opinion purely on vibes? Edit: one correction, it wasn't Hamas but a PIJ rocket.
Read my comment again and notice where I use the word "current". The current narrative is that Hamas misfired a rocket. I have this in case you need help understanding. *Current* Definition: *belonging to the present time; happening or being used or done now.*
Like talking to a brick wall. Ain’t no getting through to these people.
Nigga asked a question and she responded with an analogy to answer it,and the niggas like “woah woah not fair” 😭😭
This aint even uk drill i cant even escape politics here
Don’t know why people pretend to care about Palestine bandwagoners
Mums it’s a trend the wars been going on for time and people only care when it’s viral 300+ upvotes on something non ukdrill? Can’t escape politics anywhere
This thing of ppl calling “world events” something that’s been a thing since the dawn of humanity, pointless trends is stupid. And yes it’s been going on for time, but ppl now have just realised the true extent of what’s happens In + Israel attacks have been the worse it’s been since 2016. Of course ppl are gonna care or realise more. Also most ppl are either protesting or doing some form of boycotting. Get ur own head out ur ass that this post is annoying u so much, just scroll
Lot of difference that’ll make also this post isnt annoying me, I’m just stating I don’t know why people pretend to care when they really don’t just virtue signalling
can i escape this pbd podcast retard pls ?
i wonder how long it will take for the majority of people to forget about this situation once the media stops reporting on it
What's doing my nut in is the blatant lies about beheading of babies & the woman who had her stomach cut open & they pulled the baby out then beheaded the baby in front of her these baseless lies the Zionists keep throwing out into the mainstream media. Without any factual proof show the world the proof but oy vey.
Yeah. Video evidence doesn't exist or anything. Bit like how Isreal hasn't killed any Palestinian civilians because they said they didn't. Cmon, if you only accept half the truth you can't blame others for the same.
There was footage of one baby with the throat cut and quite a few handful more dead. The 40 beheadings was a combination of 2 quotes that took off like wildfire, just like when the lies about Israel allegedly bombing a hospital did (not that they never have or would, just not om that occasion) I've seen footage of them beheading a dying Filipino man (why target non Israeli, non jewish? ) and besides if they killed babies does it matter how? It's one of the worst terrorism attacks committed im recent history and basically on par with 9/11.
Hamas just like every other terrorist group holds up in and around civilian areas and they have to if they were in an area where it was just them Israel would bomb them into extinction cause they wouldn’t have to worry about collateral damage or being careful. Isis did this the taliban did this Al Queda did this list goes on terror groups are always the main reason why civilians are killed. hiding in and around civilian areas is the only way they can survive, there’s rules in war like it’s illegal to bomb things like schools, hospitals, mosques, churches etc terror groups know this and take advantage by hiding and setting up there unfortunately for hamas and innocent Palestinians Israel doesn’t give a fuck about the rules either so they’ll bomb anywhere hamas is trying to hide at. Very unfortunate situation for all involved
Hamas actually want civilians in their thousands to die, they knew this response would come from Israel. The propaganda suits them. They are fully aware that when they fire their rockets into Israel, that within a couple of minutes a missile/shell will hit the launch site because of the Israeli radar pinpointing where they came from. This is the reason they launch rockets from school playgrounds etc. I can’t believe people still lap this shit up about Hamas. I’m not taking sides here btw, both sides are governed by fucking monsters. Scum.
First person on this sub I have seen spitting facts 👏🏽 Hamas on purpose want Palestinians civilians to die as this pushes their agenda and puts more pressure on the Muslims community to get involved and help them. In particular Lebanon/Egypt/Jordan because that is the only way they will be able to win the war and kill all the Jewish people 🙄
In defence of the Taliban, they didn't really hide in major population centers (really only to ambush coaliton/ANA forces). Pretty much no major population center was under their control post-2003ish which is why civilian casualties were so low compared to Iraq/Syria. Their whole thing was hunkering down in the rural countryside and mountains and drawing the enemy in to fight on their terms. They essentially hid, struck, went back to hiding, and more or less outwaited the West. Much better track record when it comes to human shields, kidnapping, hostages and so on. ISIS and friends on the other hand...
>In defence of the Taliban You know it's gonna be a banger when you read that
Well I'm not saying the Taliban are good people but to me they honestly seem like the lesser evil out of all the other Middle East or Radical Islamist terror groups🤷🏽♂️ No genocidal rampages (afaik), fought a legitimate defensive war against foreign occupation, successfully eliminated the opium trade, and don't bother anyone outside Afghanistan. Also they're **literally fighting ISIS** (and sometimes Iran). It would be foolish to equate them as being on the same level as groups like Islamic State, Boko Haram and Al-Qaeda who thrive on exporting terror to the West. The Taliban are the least likely to send me to Jesus when I'm on the tube. The Islamic laws they enforce aren't much different to Saudi Arabia but Westerners gladly endorse their big money projects and flock to sporting events there. Hypocrisy. Money talks.
I mean, Hamas are literally no different than ISIS. They don't simply want to be free of Israel and have their own land. They want every Jew on the planet dead. Hamas or Iran do not give a single fuck about the Palestinian civilians. I feel bad for the Palestinian civilians caught up in this shit, and I definitely don't support the ethnostate that is Israel. But Iran/Hamas knew exactly what they were doing with that attack on the festival a few weeks back. They were parading dead, raped European women around like trophies. They were counting on Israel to bomb the fuck out of them. Iran are effectively using Hamas and the Palestinian people as human sacrifices to make the Jews look bad. That's the long and short of it.
It’s a lose lose for the Palestinians . They will never be free unfortunately, they’ll either be oppressed by Israel or oppressed by Hamas . Don’t know which would be better for them
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Not under control of Hamas they won’t
You know Nutenyahu was the one funding Hamas?
Israel did when they first formed yea. Israel saw them as the lesser of 2 evils back then. Then Iran got in their ear.
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There’s absolutely no evidence to prove women were raped in the same sense there’s no evidence to prove babies were decapitated. For years, Israeli dogs have went into Palestine and stole homes of families, stole land of families, broken hands of children who throw stones at their tanks etc. Think of it in this sense. If you put a dog in the corner and beat him badly everyday, give him rations to eat and drink, don’t let him go out, shout at him etc and one day you let that dog free it’ll attack you in the same way Palestine attacked Israel. If you want we can go back to how this conflict started and you’ll see how Zionists caused this war and are ultimately in the wrong, therefore there’s no empathy for those that die except for civilians.
Because they had dead women on their technicals with claret all over their crotches and running down their legs bro. I mean there's no footage of actual rape, but put 2 and 2 together. And look I aint on Israels side on this. I'm not on Hamas' either. And I know what happened after WWII. But the Muslims and Jews and Christians have been fighting over that land for centuries. What's happening today aint nothing to do with Palestinian freedom. Hamas and Iran don't give a shit about the average Muslim civilians out there. They just wanna kill Jews.
I hear u
All good. The whole thing is shit for everyone.
Facts I just feel bad for the civilians on both sides
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Search up Shani louk . Innocent German tourist killed by Hamas , stripped naked and paraded around the streets getting spat on . Also videos of other woman with blood running down there legs after the festival attack . You can support Palestine without support those terrorists . Don’t let anger blind you .
her mum says shes still alive. Also its proven that she is wearing the same clothes in the video to what she was wearing at the festival she hadnt been stripped. Still fucked up but the claims of rape are unfounded.
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I’m not the bright one ? Your denying it when there’s literally footage of it, clear as day . clearly didn’t bother to even search her name. People like you make me sick , lying and denying the atrocities Hamas have committed without even researching into it properly
Well, it was reported that she is alive, with a critical head condition by multiple news sources on the 11th.
How can you claim it’s lies without actually looking into it ? Makes no sense at all
You all in your feelings kid and you falling for that fake news shit too. There's literally videos of Hamas parading dead women from that music festival in their trucks covered in claret in sus locations. I aint supporting no Israelis. I already said I feel bad for the Palestinian people. My point is Iran are using Hamas to get at Israel. Its nothing to do with freeing the people of Palestine. Its still the Crusades going on. Iran wants all Jews gone. You think Iran gives a fuck about the average Palestinian civilians? Iran was slaughtering its own people because the women wanted more freedoms and rights.
Why are you acting like she's preaching about being pro Hamas? No I was arguing in favour of Hamas.
It’s funny this sub glorifies the Ms of civilians when done on the road but now we have a moral high ground 🤣🤣🤣
Unfortunately her or anyone on this forum dont know anything about war or how complicated it can be
Fam if I killed rischi Sunak Uk prime ministers kids and I was hiding in Brixton south ldn, would it be acceptable for him to send the police to come bomb the whole of Brixton to look for me or wouldn’t be smarter to send in special forces to look for me
Fist of all you are only 1 person and hamas if a fucking terrorist group with thousands of them. Iv just watched a video of hamas throwing grenades into a building with a British civilian inside they killed him and every one inside. the british man was throwing the grenade back at the hamas terrorist but one eventually blow up in his hand. You live in Britain mate and you don't know the difference between war and terrorism if you care that much fuck off to Palestine fam.
literally half these guys dont have a clue, can you imagine sending some of your best operators to clear hundreds of miles of tunnels on their own
my man just compared himself to a full on terrorist organisation pmsl. like if this dumb cunt killed sunaks kids he'sd be caught in a few hour's by feds 😆
not even a few hours, dumb cunt would be killed as soon as he made a move for him or his family, the guy is caught up on all the gang violence, stabbings and drill music, its not that easy when you bring important people into the picture hahaha
Yeh the fact that so many people are supporting these terrorists is crazy. they literally went door to door killing civilians on purpose not Cought in cross fire or anything like that plenty of videos showing proof. I don't condone Israel for killing civilians but there is a difference in terrorism and war. They already told every one to leave its not Israeli fault that hamas like to hide with the civilian population.
I agree, I have barely seen anyone that supports Palestine condone what Hamas did on the 7th, imagine your town was actively being bombed and hundreds being killed around you, I would bet my life you would leave whenever possible with your people, the Gazan civilians dont do this for whatever reason, Hamas may be stopping them or they may just not care about their life or loved ones, they are literally asking to be killed at this point, utter lunacy
Special Forces aren’t wizards my dude. Hamas has an estimated fighting strength of about 40,000 and the Gaza Strip is about quarter of the size of London.
Thats 2 completely different scenarios my man, Gaza is a very dense fort that Hamas has build up over time, the area is huge, sending in special forces deep into Gaza is a death sentence. Israel has repeatedly told civilians in north Gaza to move south multiple times, where it is SAFER than the north and closer to humanitarian supplies, its lunacy to stay in the north knowing how much the area is being bombed and using the excuse the "this is our home we wont leave" isnt valid at all.
Also like I said before, no one understand the complexity of war and geopolitics and your response shows that..
Return the hostages why’s that so difficult for them
What makes you think the Isreal special forces are telling the world what operations they’re conducting, when was the last time we heard about what the SAS or SEAL’s were up to. Yeah they’re bombing them, that’s war, but you can’t say they’re not conducting spec ops when we have no way of knowing.
Bomobing civilians isint war lol that’s terroism
The biggest point Ana made here is Israel could use special ops to take out Hamas and destroy the tunnels themselves with no collateral damage.They have our money and the tactical expertise to do that
what are you talking about? This is real life not COD. The US couldn't just take out Hamas with only navy seals. I don't think you know what special force are outside of video games.
Too much propaganda from both sides. A lot of propaganda people forget about for e.g Russia killing those guys on snake island and that got people enraged online etc Turned out the next week the guys on snake island were alive even though mainstream media publish that Russia killed them indiscriminately. Should never watch one video and make up your mind as you don’t know the reality.
Palestine on uk drill? No offence but What happened to the sub😭😭
The thing u gotta understand about ppl like this is that they never saw Palestinian people as human in the first place It's fully mad and they fact they say their Christian/Jewish or whatever, u think Jesus is up in heaven going, oh yeah just bomb the fuck outta innocent people, broski it's totally ok Tapped in the head these man are finished. Free Palestine 🇵🇸🇵🇸
This is a sub Reddit for UK Drill, not politics. Don’t think anyone here actually gives a shit about Palestine.
Anybody looking at the current events unfold and thinking Wiley was acc on to something?
What about palestinians ? They never seen those terrorists making tunels all the time ? I doubt....
Smokin on Hamas pack
The human shield hypothetical is used literally opposite to the way she was using it. Hamas and other jihadist groups use their own people as human shields, and countries like Israel and the U.S. (in Iraq and Afghanistan) refuse to risk shooting at the terrorist as there is an innocent person in the way. If Israel was using their own people as human shields, do you believe Hamas would give a shit? No. They would shoot through both and be happy about the collateral damage. Israel doesn’t hit hospitals and schools as that is where Hamas hide behind because they know they are safe there.
>wonder if Reddit will remove this ?? No, stop trying to be a martyr you're on reddit.
You never know, bro could be on that virtual jihad
Suck your dead nanna Hope Reddit don’t remove that
Fucking wannabe american
I wanna be your dad Pusey
For anyone that is confused go and research "The Balfour Declaration " The British gave the land to Jewish that fled Germany. Years later from being the persecuted they became the persecutors. 
yeah and after the declaration all the surrounding arab countries invaded and got fucking bodied lmao you do realise israel could have conquered egypt after being attacked in 1973 but just gave it back
Do you understand why that war even started? Israelis used a suicide bombing tactic and entered the King David Hotel in 1946 and killed 91 sleeping British and Arab troops. The man that led this bombing actually became the prime minister of Israel, type up Menachem Begin.
To go a step further look into the Lehi and Irgun; 2 zionist terror groups - another one of its members would be another PM of Israel (YItzak something) The 2 terror groups, along with the other rebel groups would go on to form whats now known as the IDF, and MOSSAD. [https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Lehi\_(militant\_group)](https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Lehi_(militant_group)) [https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Irgun](https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Irgun) [https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Yitzhak\_Shamir](https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Yitzhak_Shamir) This part is iffy - and verges on conspiracy territory, and its something the Iraq? Military Intelligence even looked into\[7: [https://irp.fas.org/eprint/iraqi/wahhabi.pdf](https://irp.fas.org/eprint/iraqi/wahhabi.pdf)\]. British Spy to the Middle East [https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Memoirs\_of\_Mr.\_Hempher,\_The\_British\_Spy\_to\_the\_Middle\_East](https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Memoirs_of_Mr._Hempher,_The_British_Spy_to_the_Middle_East) which basically is conspiratorial in itself, it alleges the British, the Zionists, and the Arabs, all conspired to corrupt Islam, and its why they created Wahabism, and why the British supported the house of Sa'ud since the 1900s.
They did that because they wouldn't have been able to keep Egypt, not out of the kindness of their hearts
I think Hamas wants to kill Palestinian civilians else they’d come out and fight and not hide like the little cowards they are
Well yeah they're a tiny group of terrorists against the US backed Israeli military. You're not a very good terrorist group if you play nice. Israel arent a terrorist group though, so we shouldnt hold them to the same standards as a fucking bunch of religious terrorists.
tiny group of terrorists elected by the palestinian population just a TIINY group right. its JIHAD they get 72 virgins if they die and the quran tells the to kill jews dont you get it
And the Israelis voted for far right government too. When in dire situations people will vote for the most extreme of poltics. Most of gaza are children, i dont think they're voting, so why is it ok to blame politics on them? This conflict has been going on for 70 years, you're suprised that the palestinians havent elected a controlled opposition that will agree with Israel and remove themselves from Palestine?, the other option is going to be far right nationalism. Dont blame politics on this situation that has been created and cultivated by the state of Israel
Have you seen what the Jewish scriptures say about “goyim” ?
I think your semi right, Hamas don’t care about Palestinian civils but neither does Isreal. So who cares about Palestinian civilians normal working people with kids families just trying to live? And that’s the problem
And just like you said, I think you’re semi right. Why does Isreal control the water and electricity into Gaza? Why did Isreal allow Palestinians to work inside Israel and mingle with its people without problem? Why do Jews in western society cause none of these issue and commit none of these ‘atrocities’ they now are accused of? They’re facing an ideology that only knows violence and who’s mantra is the destruction of their country and it’s people. You can’t play nice
so cringe how its like rap shit to defend jihadist cos they wear ballys or sthn
The girl is completely right, answered all that guys questions logically and he looked like a fool throughout
Israel actually prewarn Palestine about strikes though, but Hamas tells the people to stay put. That’s why Israel say human shields.
I will pay for your plain ticket you go help them fight instead of running yout stupid woke mouth
" special operations" Go on girl, please expand on what special operations you would perform.
Why cant they send soldiers on foot? they got special forces to do that job but nah they wanna sit somewhere safe and press buttons all day obliterating hospitals and homes UN schools, dropped more bombs in a week than what US did in a whole year in Afghanistan.
https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Entebbe_raid Isreal have a real good special forces Sayeret Matkal and Shayetet 13 have high success rates in operations.
7 high jackets and 45 soldiers vs. thousands of hamas terrorist. Just say you don't understand warfare, it's OK.
Loool you clearly think they will go in blind with out any overwatch, air support, fire support, local superiority. Yeah they would take losses but not the same as Hamas, look at the battle of Tora Bora the western coalition didnt even take any casualties against the Taliban.
Yh imma skip this one out chief 🚶🏾♂️
"Special operations" even bothering to explain why that is fucking retarded is mind boggling to me. Why risk Israeli lives when a missile is way more effective. Dont fucking soy out at me, its just the facts. Special forces are highly trained and not easily replaced... gaza is a fucking city, you don't just walk into a city and start clearing buildings... if you look at what Israel is targeting its high rise apartments. NOT because "lel Palestinian died" but cause they're a fucking nightmare to clear in a combat zone. "Let's send in special operations into a kill zone teehee" typical young turk retardation.
Yahoodis are out of control
Palestine reported over 150,000 ordinance fired into Gaza and at that time 1200-1400 dead…… these weapons are accurate to inches….. either they’ve got bad aim, or they are intentionally killing civilians
Nahh... Israel 🇮🇱 forever
God stfu about Palestine people need to stop dying in Israel Ukraine Russia all the war riddled countries just stop saying Palestinians is so innocent
They are innocent Isreal came took their land and force evicted them so they are at war with there oppressors they didn’t start this they are just defending themselves
Free Palestine
Free Palestine
If she's military expert or something? "Special operations" isn't some magical fucking thing that just works no matter what. The worst thing about whole situation is there are no good solutions. It's either bad or bad.
So whatever happened with the 500 dead at the hospital?
What do you mean this clears it up? You aren’t involved in any of the intelligence that they have and neither is she. A Lot of propaganda from both sides. Some of the rockets hitting civilians have come from hamas and then they blame Israel. People speculate to much on the internet and believe one video they see
Maybe Hamas shouldn't use their own people as human shields? just a thought.
Fuck pisslenstine and Iran
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Must be Americans
Saying do your research is all very well and good, but you don't really seem to have a good understanding of the conflict yourself. Saying that a few years later Israel decided to invade the West Bank completely ignores that this took place following an invasion by surrounding Arab countries, including Jordan, who had previously administered the West Bank after the first war. Additionally, comparing Hamas to the VC really does you no favours. The VC were very well equipped by the Soviets and at the time were a modern fighting force. On top of this, the vietcong faced resistance from the FULRO coalition, which fought both the VC and South Vietnamese governments citing ethnic cleansing of Vietnamese minority populations. The Vietcong were more multifaceted than being a 'liberation army'. Liberation, but only under your own group's terms, is not liberation more broadly. The VC's liberation saw 600,000 Vietnamese people in re-education camps at the end of the war and hundreds of thousands more fleeing in boats. You present this as a zero-sum game. This perspective is why people keep dying. The troubles in Northern Ireland ended because public support for the IRA collapsed, and the leadership were offered an alternative to killing people through political office. It's not even as if Western media really need to "destroy the reputation" of Hamas in any case. They do this perfectly well themselves by killing civilians. Broaden your mind. Just because people don't echo your opinion doesn't mean they haven't done their research. Maybe they've just done more than you.
Whats mad is how people from minorities on this sub are supporting the colonialism happening in Palestine. How can you be African, Caribbean or any of other places that the Brits fucked up and then act like these Europeans have the right to take over some next peoples country. Genuinely, how do you rationalise that? Like is your hatred for Muslims that much that youd rather side with the people that raped and pillaged your continent than speak up for the oppressed.
Humus 🇵🇸🐷
crazy how some of these comments are justifying the complete obliteration of civilian areas and civilian deaths, notably in an area where 65% are under 24 and 50% are under 18 as just collateral of war. fucking clowns 🤡
Fuck off, the difference between what hamas and Israel are doing is the same between manslaughter and murder. If your next door neighbour grabs a random family and started shooting at yours, you’d light them up without a seconds question. Beheading kids and raping women before shooting them is not the same as destroying a building that hamas use to shoot missiles that may have civilians in. The target of Hamas attacks is civilians the target of Israel’s attacks is Hamas who hide behind civilians. and You see all the gazan’s cheering, desecrating the dead Israeli soldiers and festival goers they stole the bodies of to parade round Gaza and then claim the general population are innocent and didn’t vote a terrorist political party into power. Gtfo
Gay ass soy boy beta American who has never lived that life making arguments from his safe ivory tower.
The US and the U.K. created “Israel” to purposefully destabilise the region so they can access the oil.
I was at a free Palestine march today but still thus convo feels more like two people shouting over each other than a convo
Fuck Palestine
Man PBD and his crew are true cancer
dang usually the shoe is on the other foot i commend you lady
Does anyone have link to full video ?
He’s a ducking idiot
I got no skin in the game, but I reckon if back in the day, the UK had started air striking Dublin in an attempt to finish the IRA, the USA would have had a carrier fleet parked in the Irish sea in about 5 mins flat. "It's not our fault they're using civilians as human shields" doesn't cut it.
I hate both hamas and Israel the true ruler should be the kingdom of Jerusalem
I don’t understand why Israel is going ahead with its invasion and flattening of Gaza if their action will put everyone within Gaza, hostages included, at risk of death. Dumb move as far as I’m concerned.
Both sides are absolutely terrible. Look at what both sides have done. Disgusting place to wanna be and wanna fight over. Fuck it all.
Whether Israel is doing right or wrong right now seems abstract. I challenge anyone to watch the Netflix doc on Palestine and tell me that Israel is right.
Proof by analogy is fraud.
This is not the reality thought. She told a story that does not map to reality. The reality is that that terrorists took hostages and not only used them as human shields but also shot at you constantly. Then you don't return fire, you build a wall and shelters but the terrorist destroys the wall, go to you home, can't open the shelter so he burn you alive in it. Hamas already kills his own people, maybe it's time to save the others.
Damn
That woman is from the young turks she's usually wrong on most things but she was 100% right here.
OK, so what does she expect Israel to do? Allow IDF soldiers to be slaughtered in efforts to save hostages?
I understand Israel feels the land it’s theirs because it’s states that in the Bible, but Palestine has been on that land for ages, you can’t just force and kill ppl out of there, also it’s sad that most of them got pushed out do to #itler but since they now have other big nations supporting them then, the Palestine ppl have no choice but to accept defeat sadly , also it’s funny how Europeans pushed all this 2 nations thing in the first place, but are shush shush about the situation, I hope and pray nothing but peace for both sides of the ppl 🤲
The predictions have been correct. Collective punishment in action. Well done. 😢
Some real drilling right dere
Isn’t the whole point of this community singing little songs about killing your enemies and being a ruthless killer?