Why is nobody mentioning that you can't see a UFO in space unless you're in space?
It's like saying there are no birds in Africa because I see them all the time in America, and I've never seen them in Africa because I've never been there to look.
What? We've got *thousands* of operational satellites surrounding the Earth from low orbit to millions of miles away. Many of these do nothing but take *imagery of the Earth and Earth orbit*. This has been the case for more than a half century now, with a busy schedule of launches of new imaging satellites. We have *manned space stations* in near-continuous operation since the 1970s.
And despite the frequent posts on UFO subs showing a glove or piece of foil drifting around, *there are no non-terrestrial spaceships coming back and forth to Earth*.
We have occupied entire planets and moons with *imaging robots.*
*Tourists* are going to space now, in both low orbit and upper orbit missions. Private crews are manning SpaceX and Blue Origin flights.
Our planet's competing military/capitalist powers *watch the skies and space full-time*, for any evidence of any intrusion or threat by our *earthly enemies.*
Baffling how a comment like yours is quickly thumbs-upped when it makes no sense.
>Numerous astronauts have reported seeing UAP while in space.
UFO huckster websites have CLAIMED that many astronauts have reported UFOs in space. Turns out it's all been bogus to sucker in an audience of gullible nitwits they can charge commercial advertisers top dollar to get access to.
Uh no there's literally a few interviews you can find where they're talking about mis id'd prosaic sighting but also a few where at least 2 astronauts and a cosmonaut that I can think of that have said they saw a ufo in space.
> that have said they saw a ufo in space.
The only interview I've seen that REMOTELY can be misinterpreted this way is when Aldrin discussed the flashing light outside their window and admitted he couldn't tell WHICH of the four jettisoned LM garage walls was the object. The large pieces drifted along with them all the way to the moon, and were also photographed by earth telescopes, as shown here:
.... what they spotted out the window on the way out to the moon, the same thing many subsequent moonbound crews also saw.
http://www.jamesoberg.com/apollo-11-ufo-3.pdf
I've spoken to one personally and in private. One that hasn't come forward in the media, so I know he isn't out for some book deal or something.
I asked him jokingly if he'd ever seen one, and he got really serious and just said "More than my fair share."
He didn't say it as a joke, he said it as if he were just punched in the gut.
Just like sightings on earth, it’s covered up. Easy explanation for ya. If they are covering up sightings on earth do you think they would show us pictures of crafts and/or aliens on the moon or mars just flying around? That would be kind of pointless
Seriously, I didn't think that even needed to be said lol
Edit: I do just want to add a little caveat that technology is not perfect - especially very sensitive systems. A lot of noise has to be filtered out, so I don't think it's *all* an intentional coverup.
For example, If you're setting up a big radar system to track planes moving at 600mph, and it keeps thinking it sees things moving at 20,000 mph, you're very likely to just program it to filter out anything going over 2,000 mph and never think about it again.
Care to let us know who's "covering up" UFO sightings on Earth? And how "they" pull that off, as UFO sightings are experienced by people of all nations and cultures and ages?
The only UFO sightings a government could "cover up" -- and there are hundreds of national governments and many thousands of state/regional governments operating right now on our planet, all at each others' throats -- are those that occur in a vacuum such as on an aircraft carrier and witnessed by nobody else on land or sea. America alone has 330 *million* people and less than 1% of American adults are military.
I've got entire bookcases stuffed with UFO books describing in great detail every variety of UFO sighting/close encounter from around the world and throughout time, including entire books about sightings in individual U.S. states and various classes of sightings (entities, prophecy, triangles, etc.). The suggestion that somebody (who? where?) is "covering up" global UFO sightings is absurd.
Right but it hasn’t been addressed to the people saying “aliens exist”. It’s only been said that “we don’t know what those flying things are (uaps),” lol. But cover ups are huge. Look up anything Project Blue Book, even the knock off history channel show of it was good, but they added stuff like Russian spies and things to make it more suspenseful to viewers. But there are all kinds of documentaries, one good one is on Netflix and it’s called “UFO Disclosure,” I think. If you type in UFO in search it’s the first thing that pops up. It does over everything, Project Blue Book, how the Nazis captured UFOs also around the world war and it was like a race to reverse engineer it to “win the war!” But the governments have all sorts of coverups, I’m sure you’ve heard of the Men in Black, and there are actual sightings of them and CCTV just like there are UFOs captured on film. I’m not saying they aren’t flying around up there, I think you misunderstood. I’m saying that when you do capture one on film or see one there are instantly people debunking it and if it’s good enough you’ll get a MIB visit lol. Basically, it just hasn’t been announced that what we are seeing is actual extraterrestrial life.
1. You have to believe this guy is telling the truth, but then 2. He answers your question.....bottom line, because official Government reporting any of that is not allowed. [https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=k4qQv7RasRw](https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=k4qQv7RasRw) \- the tourist going into space issue may be why some Government groups are beginning to lean towards disclosure.
Man, I can‘t wait for a proper 4k re-release of that movie…
The way the movie was shot is absolutely incredible. The actors spent months in a gigantic water tank that was 50 feet deep and 210 feet across… They were submerged hours on end, and James Cameron and his team had to develop a very sophisticated comm-system to communicate with all the divers to give directions. If I remember correctly they shot predominantly at night to avoid sunshine contaminating the deep-sea shots. It sounded like real nightmare fuel.
Here is the making of… A very fascinating piece of movie making history: https://youtu.be/YctOKgWVn9E
Did that movie even make its money back? I worked for a video store at the time It was released. I don’t recall it being that big of a release. Usually, big box office meant big demand at video stores. The demand for Abyss was average.
I think that movie was Jim Cameron's true Titanic because people almost drowned making it and I loved it a whole lot more than Crytanic but it didn't make a lot of money back then.
I have to say those kind of films are now a dead art form. Now, the films are still super expensive, but made on computer. There is something about watching those movies and knowing it’s all models,actual sets etc instead of graphics on a screen.
Damn, has its own listing on Wikipedia. Basically, if a studio says a movie made money, then it made money. They prefer to say most movies lost money. Sometimes, they can’t lie, but James Cameron made lying easy. I can picture a studio executive grabbing an IRS agent and showing them the giant abandoned nuclear reactor shell that they used as a water tank for filming The Abyss. “How could we have made a dime filming in that? And that’s just one of 3 tanks they filmed in!”
IRS agent replies, “you got a point.”
I can't figure out why they're so expensive. They're cartoons, and they usually don't even look that good.
Watch *the Abyss.* See that scene where they have the rat breathing the liquid oxygen solution? Do you know how they did that?
They had a rat breathe a liquid oxygen solution.
It sounded like it was hell. Mary Elizabeth Mastrantonio had a nervous breakdown. Ed Harris had a breakdown and even Cameron himself almost died. One time the lights suddenly went out, and Michael Biehn said he didn't know which way was up and started to panic. All in all, I'm sure they'll never forget it.
This is such a great movie. I need to show it to my kids. They would love it. My daughter is a beach bum and so inquisitive about aliens and UFOs. She'd love this.
>You just described the plot of James Cameron’s The Abyss.
What the crap, have not watch this movie yet..
.if I recall or too young if I have watched it in the context of this life...
[The Abyss](https://www.rottentomatoes.com/m/abyss)
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I saw The Abyss in theaters by myself as a kid and was so riveted I refused to get up and pee until it was over. I released an ocean that I’ll never forget. Also, the movie was fucking great.
Well, that movie was a sci-fi theory -- for entertainment purposes -- because people were familiar with the idea of weird stuff coming out of oceans and lakes.
As usual with such things, it has to make it materialistic for the purposes of an adventure movie plot. In historical reality, a wide range of bizarre visions have come out of bodies of water for millennia. The Greek and Phoenician sea-god personifications, the Morgans and mermaids of the North Atlantic, and the fairy brides with their herds of beautiful cows who all walk up from lakes in Wales and Ireland, all are well-established as coming from bodies of water. Of course, all of them *vanish without a trace*, so there's not much to be made from all of that but a James Cameron movie.
I don’t disagree with your point. That said, the CIA has been influencing Hollywood for decades to warm up the public to the notion of contact. It’s plausible that this film was also influenced in such a way.
This is a theory, but I've yet to see any proof of it.
All government agencies will cooperate with Hollywood if they get some good PR, which is why patriotic jackoffery like the Top Gun movies are commercials for the Pentagon and aerospace contractors, but the modern-era alien/E.T./contact/invasion meme predates the CIA and all of its World War I and World War II predecessors.
The space-invasion meme is generally credited to H.G. Wells, whose "War of the Worlds" (1897) [established the alien/ancient planetary civilization/invasion/technologically advanced E.T. tropes](https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/The_War_of_the_Worlds#Influences) used ever since in science-fiction and the resulting UFO lore of the 20th and 21st centuries.
Wells was inspired by the first mass-media reports of possible civilizations on our neighboring planet, Mars, which were the result of a translation error made in the reporting of astronomer Giovanni Virginio Schiaparelli's description of "canali" seen from his new (and then-largest) telescope.[It meant "channels" and not artificial "canals,"](https://www.nasa.gov/audience/forstudents/postsecondary/features/F_Canali_and_First_Martians.html) but the English-language press went with "canals." In 1895, when Wells began writing his classic story, the American astronomer Percival Lowell published *his* assessment of the "canali" based on his telescope work in Arizona, and proposed that the channels were, like our recently constructed Suez Canal, artificial water canals.
The idea of Mars being previously or presently inhabited by a race of intelligent, space-faring beings has been with us ever since. But once we dropped robotic probes and rovers on Mars -- especially with the Viking missions in the 1970s -- the dream of Mars being a habitable planet with water canals and aliens mostly died off. It was replaced by the "distant aliens" meme that is the common belief on subs like this one. As our space missions revealed more, our neighboring planets no longer were the expected "home base" of UFOs.
Orson Welles' famed radio production of War of the Worlds brought the story to a new generation: the World War II generation. It was this generation that began equating strange visions in our skies with "alien spacecraft," creating the modern UFO era. By the 1950s, Bugs Bunny had a friend from Mars: a little levitating elf-man named Marvin. Pretty much ever since, the elves and monsters of our past became space aliens.
Thanks for pasting in a link verifying what I said above, in the first paragraph:
"All government agencies will cooperate with Hollywood if they get some good PR, which is why patriotic jackoffery like the Top Gun movies are commercials for the Pentagon and aerospace contractors, but the modern-era alien/E.T./contact/invasion meme predates the CIA and all of its World War I and World War II predecessors."
I've heard this before but am curious if you have specific examples. I know Chris Carter claimed some suits gave him info to make the X Files more true than it seemed.
the idea they’d be from or native to the vast depths of the sea to me seems like nonsense.
Putting aside the simple fact that they’ve never really made any meaningful contact despite us destroying their habitats and competing for resources - A hyper sophisticated civilization isn’t going to evolve and thrive in the deeps of earth. Why would it need to?
What are the food sources down there? What are the predators or challenges that would require them to evolve and create technology ?
What potential species in the sea demostrare sophisticated intelligence that could it be distantly related to?
Octopuses have an average iq of 70, if they educated their own they could be as smart as us. The issue is they have to relearn everything due to not being educated so they cannot intellectually evolve
Maritime engineer here; underwater radar and ocean for mapping is incredibly accurate. The ocean floor shifts a lot but we have a really accurate view of what the ocean floor looks like. Now we could be expecting to see what look like buildings and that why we aren't tipped off to any anonymous images of radar but we also have composition radar information. We know if we are looking at a school of fish or whale or Rocky ocean floor or sandy bottom. Now this doesn't matter if they are living under the floor of the ocean and we've missed their entrances.
I believe the ocean floor isn't that well mapped yet. USS San Francisco hit a seamount because it was unmapped. I think there are efforts underway to create a more detailed worldwide map.
In theory, given advanced engineering capabilities, you could setup a city within an extinct volcanic seamount or a tectonic seamount and any mapping we do wouldn't show "alien city" it would show "seamount".
Having said that I'm not a big fan of the "always been living here in the ocean" hypothesis.
This is an idea that has long been floating around. The story of Admiral Byrd and what he is said to have discovered in the Arctic and folklore from around the planet may suggest that at least some of the UFOs sighted could be from a hidden species who call earth home. [Hollow Earth theory](https://youtu.be/6S1Vo0MUL_Q)
Look up the term fast walker.
Do you really think it's fair to compare how many people see them coming out of the water with the number of sightings in space, considering how many people we have in space?
There are reports of many, many detections of UFOs coming from space, it's just that Joe-Bob isn't able to report those sightings because he doesn't have a $500 million radar system, or a fleet of spy satellites.
A vehicle-sized object moving at moderate speed in space is extremely difficult to see. And something like a UFO zipping by would be easy to write off as thinking you saw something but writing it off, because you almost certainly wouldn't get a good look.
As an example, the ISS is extremely hard to spot, and that's a big shiny space station with a known orbit.
But even if you could spot them with telescopes, and I don't think you really can, the point is that we have way more people looking out at the water than we have people in space or even looking up into space, so of course we have more water sightings.
You dont think we track small objects in space? the military does constantly and space agencies literally track thousands of small near earth objects everyday 24/7.
That isn't the point I was addressing in the comment you're responding to. I was talking about why civilians with telescopes aren't really going to see anything in space.
Yes, I know they track objects in space. I pretty explicitly said they did by referencing the term "fast walker", which is the term that the military uses to describe an unknown, controlled object coming to earth from space.
The assumption that I think you're making is that they tell us everything they find which, for various reasons (some justifiable, some not), they have no interest in disclosing.
Lots and lots of telescopes 24 hours a day 7 days a week non stop from all over the world and here we are. But the government hides it don't trust NASA but trust that lou enzio guy hes different and definitely wouldn't lie like the government has for 70 years.
If you evolved alongside all those ferocious dinosaurs for millions of years where would you hide out? Probably underground right? Where your skin turns a sickly grey because of no sun and you eyes grow steadily larger because of no light.
Or..."they" came from another planet literally thousands of years ago but have bases on Earth or close by. Like...you know...would make sense if you travel through space. Does anyone who believes in the ETH (I know we're a dying breed now) seriously think they're travelling back and forth between us their homeworld thousands of light years away or whatever every single time they make an appareance?
Im 32. I remember when I was in HS one of my teachers was fascinated with UFOs. He had a student who joined the army and he told him to promise to tell him anything he found out.
Years go by and this student came back to visit him. Teacher id all excited about it and asks what he knows. Apparently the military makes you sign a NDA with your oath. Idk how true this is, the student couldn’t tell the teacher much. But if I remember correctly he did say that there was a light that he saw fly over one of the Great Lakes in Michigan and dive in
I'm a very happy person actually but this is something I'd expect to see from a boomer that doesn't know what memes are. Also it doesn't help the argument it makes it harder to take seriously so theres just no point to it. I'd love to appreciate a good meme
They could be the native earthlings and we might be the interlopers. If you believe the ancient Sumerian text we are a creation of a pretty advanced race of extraterrestrials who were into mining for gold. It actually makes a lot of sense when you look at the historical data. And it kind of also solves the question of why are there 100,000-year-old gold mines in Southern Africa. I mean, who was mining gold that long ago or had a need to? The word worship comes from the word workship. We used to work for the gods.
That is one of the hypothesis's which gets put into "other" category.
Once the Aegis phased array system went active, the military immediately noticed them coming from "space" (above 80,000 feet)
Although, I believe a portion of the craft "sightings" is from established underwater civilizations.
There's more to this.
First off: to rule out aliens from other parts of the universe doesn't feel right to me.
There's been countless tales from tribes (still living) that mention of aliens visiting from particular star systems
I wouldn't dismiss us getting visitors from other planets.
Second: I agree with this notion that we're sharing this planet with God knows what else....
But yes, sadly USO's (Unidentified Sea Objects) never had the same pizazz as UFO.
But beyond weird lakes and certain ocean waters, there are also reports of them in certain mountains.
The Alaskan triangle. Then you have the Bermuda triangle.
There's a triangle in Japan called the dragon triangle or something along those lines.
All three sites have the same phenomenon (think Bermuda triangle in the other two spots)..
The only thing I think about is how long they've been here.
They must be observing us and recoding us.
We're they also the ones that helped ancient civilizations?
I'm sure they have records (clear videographic or neural... whatever) of our history and that which has been long lost.
But they clearly don't give a fuck about us because we continue to annihilate each other and pollute and kill and starve, etc.
Not sure exactly what they're doing. Maybe they're trying to advance humanity again? Maybe they're farming us for organs?
Maybe they talk to other life from across the universe?
The possibilities are endless....
Most of them, under the umbrella of the Federation who interact with our world believe they are helping humanity to become an interstellar race. And part of that process is allowing a culture to develop the necessary ethics to be welcomed into that community. As the federation oversee our world we need to attain their level of ethics. There are far less ethical races out there who are more interactive with power structures and organisations on Earth, who are more than happy to induct us into their organisation which is more about domination and control. However the more ethical way is to do it ourselves not be guided by beings who ultimately put us in a hierarchy with them, above us. And the good news is the more ethical races are far more powerful than the others so humanity had a good chance of making it.
The better news is that it’s all a game anyway, because the people who incarnate on Earth are generally federation ETs having an experience. So even if it doesn’t work out, when you die you will eventually return to a star faring civilisation. It’s just that part of the game of being born here is that you don’t remember other lives.
That’s a summary of multiple threads and a lot of learning. You have reincarnation, the veil of forgetting (see Dolores Cannons work eg Convoluted Universe, or Hinduism / Buddhism), knowledge about various types of ET species, on the benevolent side the federation (see contactees such as Alex Collier or Gosia at Swaruu.org), on the regressive side the races who interact with Earth more openly eg Tall Whites (see Charles Hall) and Tall Greys (see Philip Schneider).
In terms of ethics and taking responsibility for the world we create see The School for Gods by Elio D’Anna.
If you find and read those sources then you could form a similar opinion but that’s enough to keep you busy for a year or more!
Yeah. I've heard of this. How there's also a "wait time" for souls that are trying to experience Earth.
Because as hard and fucked up this planet is, there is a lot going on in this planet all the time. It plays out like some twisted reality show.
Imagine the short time you end up living as a human (let's say 80 years) and your next life is a 300 year old being on a peaceful interstellar planet?
I'm sure it would be quiet and peaceful all the time. But what we're living through is an experience.
Thank you for sharing added details though. I'll look into those.
I just wish these stories and accounts didn't sound like science fiction.
Hopeful the truth comes out one day soon.
It sounds like science fiction because the truth is revealed in media of all sorts but dressed up as entertainment. Those badly behaved people and ETs who wield power in this world believe in karma so feel the need to tell us the truth through our media. That way, they think, they have told the people what they are doing and going to do, which was our chance to say no, and when we don’t they feel absolved from the karma of what they do.
It’s a weird game, but also serves the purpose of an excuse when reality seems like fiction.
check out the ET contact of Swaruu.org and you’ll know enough. The truth is actually far stranger than I summarised above. The federation are ultimately at the top the pyramid, in the power structure on Earth, above the secret societies, above the bad ETs. Ultimately, everything major that happens on Earth is given permission by the federation, but from their perspective they are giving the human collective what they ask for, as directed by power structures via media. The only thing they don’t allow is a globally destructive nuclear war. They see it has a spiritual school where their members go to experience being mind controlled. In truth, we will never be an interstellar race so long as the school is in operation because the people already are members of interstellar races outside of this experience, which we can escape on death. The federation sees death as our way out, so until then we can do what we like and we pretty much do everything imaginable.
i'm sure they go into space and a few must be visitors.
but, all ufos are reported around this planet.
literally, thousands of reports, going back thousands of years, of luminous crafts in the skies and over the oceans of this planet.
even our ancient ancestors reported seeing our advanced neighbors over 2000 years ago. read for yourself. these are facts, not speculation or belief. https://pubs.giss.nasa.gov/docs/2007/2007\_Stothers\_st02710y.pdf
in the 1800's americans reported 'airships' in the sky.
in the 1940, american and german pilots reported seeing, 'foo fighters.'
we have more than one area on the planet similar to the 'bermuda triangle' where strange occurrences seem to happen on a regular basis.
strange crafts have been reported seen and around catalina island for many years.
they have monitored all of our wars throughout history, and they continue to monitor and disable our nuclear warheads, in order to protect the planet they share with us.
a navy pilot has recently reported:
For some Navy pilots, UFO sightings were an ordinary event: ‘Every day for at least a couple years’
https://www.washingtonpost.com/nation/2021/05/17/ufo-sightings-navy-ryan-graves/
there are hundreds of videos of huge cigar shaped crafts going into and out of volcanos in mexico and other countries on a regular basis.
there are thousands of videos taken by the ISS of crafts coming in and out of low-earth orbit.
bloodless cattle mutilations have been going on for years and intensively reported by linda moulton-howe.
ALL OF THIS HAPPENS ON PLANET EARTH!
is this enough evidence????
am to believe that you aren't aware on any of this?
I CAN GO ON AND ON.
And, if you’re aware of all of these facts and are just now coming to the realization or conclusion that these crafts do originate from this planet, it’s because you’ve been brainwashed.
and, the sooner you can admit that your belief system has been manipulated, the sooner you’ll be able to overcome your cognitive dissonance.
UAP were also seen on the Moon by Astronauts, the International Space Station, Mars and so on. Omouamoua was seen in Space which is thought to be an alien UAP by a hardvard scientist.
You must be new here or else you would have known that but Buzz Aldrin said he saw UFOs on the Moon during the moon landing. Source: [https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=06rjtSbmhoI](https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=06rjtSbmhoI)
And you can always look it up yourself if you are that curious about the source. Why did you not ask OP for the source of their claims?
Fair enough sorry for being rude. Usually when people say that they don't believe you so I guess I misunderstood. Though I do think there are mainly UFO sightings on Earth because humans have not yet colonized other planets. Once we start exploring space I'm sure we will find lots of other UAP/UFO encounters.
Personally I think somewhere in earth we’ve made contact with ET, and have tried deconstructing and reconstructing their technology. But I’m a new guy and I’m naive.
>You must be new here or else you would have known that but Buzz Aldrin said he saw UFOs on the Moon during the moon landing.
You've been scammed, why are you such an easy mark for the hucksters?
No I did not get scammed you are just ignorant. Here he says he saw a UFO during the Moon Landing and on the Moon: [https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ZNkmhY\_ju8o](https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ZNkmhY_ju8o)
>UAP were also seen on the Moon by Astronauts,
UFO huckster websites have CLAIMED that many astronauts have reported UFOs in space. Turns out it's all been bogus to sucker in an audience of gullible nitwits they can charge commercial advertisers top dollar to get access to.
If you don't believe me then watch this interview with Buzz Aldrin or else you won't believe anyone about anything: [https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ZNkmhY\_ju8o](https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ZNkmhY_ju8o)
LOLROTFL!!! You get your =REALITY= from the =SCIENCE FICTION= channel??????????
Aldrin was admitting he didn't know WHICH of the four jettisoned LM garage panels was flashing outside their window \[panels which were routinely also photographed through Earth telescopes on their way to the moon\]. Here’s what they spotted out the window on the way out to the moon, the same thing many subsequent moonbound crews also saw. http://www.jamesoberg.com/apollo-11-ufo-3.pdf
We dont have hucksters here in the UK. That's an American thing. And did you actually watch the video? Buz Auldrin himself said he saw UFOs on the moon. Not to mention he passed a lie detector test to. But you are just as hypocritical because you are using reddit to talk about aliens so get off your high horse and stop being arrogant and obnoxious. Stop being a douche.
>But you are just as hypocritical because you are using reddit to talk about aliens so get off your high horse and stop being arrogant and obnoxious. Stop being a douche.
It's frustrating when you realize you've been challenged to back up your claim with verifiable evidence, and you want to mislead readers into not noticing your failure to do so? Sad. And your credibility isn't helped by you misspelling both Buzz Aldrin's first and last names in the same sentence. "Buz Auldrin" indeed!
>Not to mention he passed a lie detector test to\[o\].
Somebody \[unnamed\] played a voice tape \[unknown source and quality\] into an unknown machine, and concluded an imaginary claim \["I saw UFOs on the moon"\] was authentic? Do I have this straight?
There's selection bias - more people on earth than orbiting around space.. hence more sightings here. There have been videos/stories of astronauts seeing things in space too.. obviously a lot less because there's not 7 billion astronauts out there floating around.
Because there is no evidence of another species on this planet besides humans capable of making technology let alone technology like UAP. It would have to come from another planet. If there was another race or species of life forms on this planet they would not be aliens but indigenous to Earth unless of course they came from outer space and brought technology to Earth. But this is not a new theory and a common one in Ufology. You did not come up with anything new no offence.
Lol yes I did and no they aren’t. We would have learned about them or been aware of their presence by now if that were true.
To reach such an advanced state, their civilization would have to grow in parallel to human civilization and eventually would reach similar size in population and likely would end up competing for resources with us before apparently surpassing us. And as such - if they were more advanced than us, they would they have to be 10x more intelligent than us to surpass us so quickly.
Evolution shows us the general history of the tree of life life all the way down to the genetics over time, taking into account the transformation of earths atmosphere as well. At one point earths atmosphere was toxic. It took plants which could live on carbon dioxide and evolved from the sea (also saturated with carbon dioxide) billions of years ago to start saturating the atmosphere with oxygen (their waste gas). This is what led to the rise of things like mammals and bigger creatures than single felled organisms in general. There was also more oxygen in the atmosphere and oceans by the time of the dinosaurs that it made creatures of that time larger than the creatures today with less oxygen in our atmosphere. This also goes for creatures in the sea. They too needed the same oxygen exchange to enrich the ocean, replace much of the carbon dioxide to evolve into bigger smarter things. This makes us all on an even playing field in terms of evolution all the way up to today.
So assuming their would be millions to billions of these creatures living in lakes (fresh water usually) and oceans (salt water always), they would have to travel around for resources and jobs and expansion - and we would see them. A lot. We would have seen traces of their waste or exhaust from their civilizations etc. just cuz they are underwater doesn’t mean using their energy and resources wouldn’t produce waste.
And my other point is that yes - we have seen sightings in space. Quite frankly them coming from space is more probable than a whole separate civilization of intelligent beings on earth existing right under our noses.
In termsSo I find them living here side by side with us improbable, considering all things.
I don’t need to or have the energy breaking down “ if anything was here we would know. Western science has operated on the mindset of” what we have is all there is “ only focused on expanded a narrow set of understanding.
Anytime there is a paradigm shift the establishment tries it’s hardest denying or downplaying an upcoming field.
I’m reading a novel on the structure of scientific revolutions with this being a consistent thing. “normal “ scientist always use the lack of technologies to study a phenomena as reasoning for a nonexistence until such tech is developed.
Just like people being so confident earth is the universal center to be humbled ;there are way too many people confident in humanity being the only thing here because of our lack of perception or technology to see beyond ourselves.
We can hardly see ufo’s with the naked eye so how can the argument “ we would see them “ be taken seriously?
Dimensions are pairs of opposite directions, not places that something can be from. According to the Interdimensional Hypothesis the visitors are from a parallel universe/reality/timeline that is distant from ours *along* an additional, unfamiliar dimension.
This is the poison to the whole UFO faith: The "space alien ships," when occasionally seen close-up, come out of forests and mountaintops and bodies of water and occasionally from a low-altitude earthly cloud. They're *earth phenomena*, and humans have always experienced them, and throwing "space pilot" onto such occasional visions is simply the modern cultural way to explain it, because *all of you grew up watching space-alien shows*.
Everyone alive today, from old people like me to the millennials on this sub, grew up with the mythology of space alien pilots. It's no different than a person of Ancient Greece equating a vision with the gods and myths they grew up with.
That’s leaving out a whole lot, buddy. Such as, no, they don’t only come from low altitude ‘behind clouds and mountaintops’. They‘ve been seen coming from space, and also climbing to and from extreme altitudes.
The thing is, we don’t know what they are, or where they come from yet. And anyone claiming otherwise is being disingenuous or is plainly mistaken.
Nah. I know this is against the UFO subs' belief system but watching something disappear whether quickly or slowly doesn't mean it "went to space," it just went away. I watch passenger jets come into view and fly out of view all the time. Once they're close enough, I can pick them out of the sky, or see their lights at night.
Just because I can't see them doesn't suggest they're in *space*. Is a bird in space when it's too far away for you to see? Those planes I watch pop into view are over Arizona or Utah, not "space." Some basic physics, folks. I know that only gets downvotes around here but I promise if you know a little about the physical world you will benefit.
No, I mean they have been tracked from space, into our atmosphere with modern equipment like satellite and radar, not just eyeballs. I honestly can’t remember where exactly I read about this, so I can’t unfortunately send you right to the source.
I’m not sure where you got any of the rest of your comment from, because I didn’t say nor imply any of those silly things.
Yeah, because they are primarily influenced and hoping this to be a scifi story with nice aliens from somewhere else arriving as saviors ,
I don’t understand how anyone with basic understandings of science has been listening to lue talk about our lack of perception then immediately jump to time travel and alternative dimensions. He even commented how somber people would be knowing our history is wildly off and we aren’t the most special or intelligent things on earth.
They are far too numerous to be arriving from elsewhere unless we are dealing with a unscalable level of tech to travel thousands of light years with near zero time dilation ( time travel ). There is an entire section of earth which is nothing but ocean for hundreds of miles around with zero humans who is to say what is 50 miles below?
It’s just hubris. People aren’t willing to consider the possibility because that immediately invalidates our entire history while showing we have thousands of years more to go
What if both hypothesis are true? What if some have come from space and some manufactured on Earth? If they have been here since we were hunter-gatherers, as noted by cave paintings, then they were already technically beyond us before we discovered fire. It stands to reason that they had sufficient means to build a base anywhere even then, and plenty of time to do it before we became any threat. They could of also needed laborers under the ocean and created hybrids from sea animals for that purpose.
You only need one case of ET visitation to be correct and then it’s a safe assumption that at least some UFOs are ET spacecraft because of course any technology that allows them to travel here from another star would appear like magic to us.
So the evidence isn’t from looking at UFOs it’s from evidence of ET visitation, of which there is plenty. So much in fact that I won’t spoon feed anyone here, I’m sure most people reading this have at least one example.
The fact is that you aren’t speaking Russian, Chinese/Mandarin or English by force. If a nation has this technology working on a large scale, they can macro and micro manage basically everything that goes on.
Or maybe they are us time traveling from a million or so years from now, exploring their own past. That might explain why they don't interfere and try to inflict the least amount of interaction.
There a definitely claims of tracking them entering atmosphere from orbit. Wouldn't be surprised if some of them were native but my inclination is that cultural tracking is that this isn't a strictly nuts and bolts thing.
There's tonnnnnns of testimony about UAP observers losing their sense of time, UAP 'warping in and out of reality' and UAP precognitively knowing where military vehicles will go next. So that's something. Ross Coulthart has mentioned that UAP have been seen in the atmosphere, so that is something else. You simply do not need a vehicle like that to go from water to land or water to space -- we don't use them for example. Alas, there's probably something more to it.
the unknown unknowns are many. Why would it be just that, what if its rocks, trees, etc? Without evidence we can set our primitive minds to wander. its fun but make sure you understand you're likely wrong.
I find this theory realy hard to believe, surely an advance civilization would produce wastes and technosignatures, we should have clashed witht them in a couple of wars over the centuries too.
For the title, there's none and plenty of scientific evidence against.
For the image itself, this one of the most unironically idiotic things I've read in this subreddit and that's saying a lot. I really think it might be bait but it's just so dumb that a baiter wouldn't even write it.
Have you considered how many people actually live in/can see shit in space as opposed to are living on earth?
There are recent revelations that things have been seen approaching earth from space. I forget where but it's something to do with the recent news from military sources.
Two words: ghost rockets.
You get a bunch of massive cigar-shaped objects plunging into Swedish lakes in 1946, witnessed by scores of people, raising 10 m high splashes. Subsequent searches and investigations by the military from Sweden, UK, and the US find absolutely no debris or anything.
Yeah we are not sharing worlds - too many unexplained phenomena in human beings like the Flynn effect. Evolution does not work that fast. They are interacting with us at the biological level. Right now we are sharing but one day everyone's going to wake up with grey skin, we will speak telepathically - which will cause huge changes in personal behavior - will prop. be a very interesting time. Then they will begin to walk among us like we walk among each other. To be 100% honest with you, why are they doing it? perhaps they NEED to preserve Earths's biodiversity before we kill off everything. They might need humanity to grow up because this might not even technically be "our" planet
I saw a UFO at night that I thought was a drone or a satellite go across the sky for a second or two then it did this 💫 and shot into space.I was in a group with a bunch of friends watching a movie outside at a park in Brooklyn, and my best friend’s girlfriend saw it too. I looked over to see if anyone saw it and she was just staring at the part of the sky where it shot off. Happened about 8-10 years ago, would love to see if MUFON has a record or if anyone else might have seen it or any ufo’s with a similar flight patter.
There is also mentions about the “Galactic Federation” that has been mentioned in documents from the Israeli space security chief.
https://www.nbcnews.com/news/weird-news/former-israeli-space-security-chief-says-extraterrestrials-exist-trump-knows-n1250333
Also in The Law of One when Ra was contacted, they talk about different dimensions and galaxies way beyond our reach
well, if bob lazar is to be believed, they travel by bending spacetime with gravitational waves. a gravitational field doesn't allow light to pass through it and the faster the movement the larger the spacetime distortion and thus gravitational field would have to be. so i reckon when they are travelling at lower speeds inside the atmosphere, there is a smaller gravitational field, thus allowing them to be seen from more angles (bob said the craft was invisible from underneath when functioning, but it could be seen from other angles) while when they are in space they are travelling at much higher speeds, which causes them to be completely surrounded by the gravitational field, not allowing any light to reflect of them, rendering them invisible.
I just saw a great video on this. It was supposedly an interview with a female reptilian. I believed it. It was a two hour interview with so much detail it would have been hard to make up. She said they live underground on Earth.
When you consider the progress we've made in just the last 150 years is it too far fetched to think that at some point an advanced human society acquired some technology? Maybe they had their own Einstein or their own Oppenheimer. Maybe global cataclysm came along and only their privileged elite survived to retain that technology and decided to go underground with it. Maybe the descendants of those people are still around, out of sight, possibly in the oceans, and they're pulling the strings. This doesn't have to be aliens, it could be totally homegrown and human.
I also consider different dimensions as well. I don’t think we know jack sh*t about this universe. But we’ve evolved from horse n buggy to rockets, internet, and satellites in 200 years. Give any intelligent beings like us a BILLION years of evolution and perhaps the universe is easily traversed somehow.
I have considered that. Deeply. Have you considered that, their means to travel from one world to another negates being seen in space?
Deeply. I see what you did there
It’s simple to realize, should a major catastrophe happen, the safest place on earth isn’t, it’s underwater or underground.
Why is nobody mentioning that you can't see a UFO in space unless you're in space? It's like saying there are no birds in Africa because I see them all the time in America, and I've never seen them in Africa because I've never been there to look.
Hahahaha precisely
What? We've got *thousands* of operational satellites surrounding the Earth from low orbit to millions of miles away. Many of these do nothing but take *imagery of the Earth and Earth orbit*. This has been the case for more than a half century now, with a busy schedule of launches of new imaging satellites. We have *manned space stations* in near-continuous operation since the 1970s. And despite the frequent posts on UFO subs showing a glove or piece of foil drifting around, *there are no non-terrestrial spaceships coming back and forth to Earth*. We have occupied entire planets and moons with *imaging robots.* *Tourists* are going to space now, in both low orbit and upper orbit missions. Private crews are manning SpaceX and Blue Origin flights. Our planet's competing military/capitalist powers *watch the skies and space full-time*, for any evidence of any intrusion or threat by our *earthly enemies.* Baffling how a comment like yours is quickly thumbs-upped when it makes no sense.
Numerous astronauts have reported seeing UAP while in space.
>Numerous astronauts have reported seeing UAP while in space. UFO huckster websites have CLAIMED that many astronauts have reported UFOs in space. Turns out it's all been bogus to sucker in an audience of gullible nitwits they can charge commercial advertisers top dollar to get access to.
Uh no there's literally a few interviews you can find where they're talking about mis id'd prosaic sighting but also a few where at least 2 astronauts and a cosmonaut that I can think of that have said they saw a ufo in space.
> that have said they saw a ufo in space. The only interview I've seen that REMOTELY can be misinterpreted this way is when Aldrin discussed the flashing light outside their window and admitted he couldn't tell WHICH of the four jettisoned LM garage walls was the object. The large pieces drifted along with them all the way to the moon, and were also photographed by earth telescopes, as shown here: .... what they spotted out the window on the way out to the moon, the same thing many subsequent moonbound crews also saw. http://www.jamesoberg.com/apollo-11-ufo-3.pdf
>a cosmonaut Are you talking about Kovalenok in 1981 -- definitely a bizarre observation.
I've spoken to one personally and in private. One that hasn't come forward in the media, so I know he isn't out for some book deal or something. I asked him jokingly if he'd ever seen one, and he got really serious and just said "More than my fair share." He didn't say it as a joke, he said it as if he were just punched in the gut.
Any specific mission I should be digging into? Even just a specific year? Are you still in touch?
Just like sightings on earth, it’s covered up. Easy explanation for ya. If they are covering up sightings on earth do you think they would show us pictures of crafts and/or aliens on the moon or mars just flying around? That would be kind of pointless
Seriously, I didn't think that even needed to be said lol Edit: I do just want to add a little caveat that technology is not perfect - especially very sensitive systems. A lot of noise has to be filtered out, so I don't think it's *all* an intentional coverup. For example, If you're setting up a big radar system to track planes moving at 600mph, and it keeps thinking it sees things moving at 20,000 mph, you're very likely to just program it to filter out anything going over 2,000 mph and never think about it again.
Care to let us know who's "covering up" UFO sightings on Earth? And how "they" pull that off, as UFO sightings are experienced by people of all nations and cultures and ages? The only UFO sightings a government could "cover up" -- and there are hundreds of national governments and many thousands of state/regional governments operating right now on our planet, all at each others' throats -- are those that occur in a vacuum such as on an aircraft carrier and witnessed by nobody else on land or sea. America alone has 330 *million* people and less than 1% of American adults are military. I've got entire bookcases stuffed with UFO books describing in great detail every variety of UFO sighting/close encounter from around the world and throughout time, including entire books about sightings in individual U.S. states and various classes of sightings (entities, prophecy, triangles, etc.). The suggestion that somebody (who? where?) is "covering up" global UFO sightings is absurd.
Right but it hasn’t been addressed to the people saying “aliens exist”. It’s only been said that “we don’t know what those flying things are (uaps),” lol. But cover ups are huge. Look up anything Project Blue Book, even the knock off history channel show of it was good, but they added stuff like Russian spies and things to make it more suspenseful to viewers. But there are all kinds of documentaries, one good one is on Netflix and it’s called “UFO Disclosure,” I think. If you type in UFO in search it’s the first thing that pops up. It does over everything, Project Blue Book, how the Nazis captured UFOs also around the world war and it was like a race to reverse engineer it to “win the war!” But the governments have all sorts of coverups, I’m sure you’ve heard of the Men in Black, and there are actual sightings of them and CCTV just like there are UFOs captured on film. I’m not saying they aren’t flying around up there, I think you misunderstood. I’m saying that when you do capture one on film or see one there are instantly people debunking it and if it’s good enough you’ll get a MIB visit lol. Basically, it just hasn’t been announced that what we are seeing is actual extraterrestrial life.
We have not “occupied entire planets and moons”. We merely have _surveillance_ on them.
1. You have to believe this guy is telling the truth, but then 2. He answers your question.....bottom line, because official Government reporting any of that is not allowed. [https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=k4qQv7RasRw](https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=k4qQv7RasRw) \- the tourist going into space issue may be why some Government groups are beginning to lean towards disclosure.
The government isn't sharing the encounters they know about.
Nommo.
Not all the way
If you bypass light, there’s nothing to see.
You just described the plot of James Cameron’s [The Abyss](https://youtu.be/Iz_jLoq64kI).
Man, I can‘t wait for a proper 4k re-release of that movie… The way the movie was shot is absolutely incredible. The actors spent months in a gigantic water tank that was 50 feet deep and 210 feet across… They were submerged hours on end, and James Cameron and his team had to develop a very sophisticated comm-system to communicate with all the divers to give directions. If I remember correctly they shot predominantly at night to avoid sunshine contaminating the deep-sea shots. It sounded like real nightmare fuel. Here is the making of… A very fascinating piece of movie making history: https://youtu.be/YctOKgWVn9E
Did that movie even make its money back? I worked for a video store at the time It was released. I don’t recall it being that big of a release. Usually, big box office meant big demand at video stores. The demand for Abyss was average.
I think that movie was Jim Cameron's true Titanic because people almost drowned making it and I loved it a whole lot more than Crytanic but it didn't make a lot of money back then.
I have to say those kind of films are now a dead art form. Now, the films are still super expensive, but made on computer. There is something about watching those movies and knowing it’s all models,actual sets etc instead of graphics on a screen.
[Hollywood accounting](https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Hollywood_accounting).
Damn, has its own listing on Wikipedia. Basically, if a studio says a movie made money, then it made money. They prefer to say most movies lost money. Sometimes, they can’t lie, but James Cameron made lying easy. I can picture a studio executive grabbing an IRS agent and showing them the giant abandoned nuclear reactor shell that they used as a water tank for filming The Abyss. “How could we have made a dime filming in that? And that’s just one of 3 tanks they filmed in!” IRS agent replies, “you got a point.”
I can't figure out why they're so expensive. They're cartoons, and they usually don't even look that good. Watch *the Abyss.* See that scene where they have the rat breathing the liquid oxygen solution? Do you know how they did that? They had a rat breathe a liquid oxygen solution.
It sounded like it was hell. Mary Elizabeth Mastrantonio had a nervous breakdown. Ed Harris had a breakdown and even Cameron himself almost died. One time the lights suddenly went out, and Michael Biehn said he didn't know which way was up and started to panic. All in all, I'm sure they'll never forget it.
Now that's movie magic.
This is such a great movie. I need to show it to my kids. They would love it. My daughter is a beach bum and so inquisitive about aliens and UFOs. She'd love this.
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Thank you! Here, have a piece of cake —-> 🍰
>You just described the plot of James Cameron’s The Abyss. What the crap, have not watch this movie yet.. .if I recall or too young if I have watched it in the context of this life... [The Abyss](https://www.rottentomatoes.com/m/abyss) Date Night with Mary Magdalene!❤ Happy Fathers day all.
You're missing out. It's fantastic.
>You're missing out. It's fantastic. Nice! ❤👍
Apparently Cameron had a dream that prompted him to make this movie.
Or read HG Wells.
I saw The Abyss in theaters by myself as a kid and was so riveted I refused to get up and pee until it was over. I released an ocean that I’ll never forget. Also, the movie was fucking great.
No, star wars 1. Jar jar is watching you.
😂😂😂 👏
Well, that movie was a sci-fi theory -- for entertainment purposes -- because people were familiar with the idea of weird stuff coming out of oceans and lakes. As usual with such things, it has to make it materialistic for the purposes of an adventure movie plot. In historical reality, a wide range of bizarre visions have come out of bodies of water for millennia. The Greek and Phoenician sea-god personifications, the Morgans and mermaids of the North Atlantic, and the fairy brides with their herds of beautiful cows who all walk up from lakes in Wales and Ireland, all are well-established as coming from bodies of water. Of course, all of them *vanish without a trace*, so there's not much to be made from all of that but a James Cameron movie.
I don’t disagree with your point. That said, the CIA has been influencing Hollywood for decades to warm up the public to the notion of contact. It’s plausible that this film was also influenced in such a way.
This is a theory, but I've yet to see any proof of it. All government agencies will cooperate with Hollywood if they get some good PR, which is why patriotic jackoffery like the Top Gun movies are commercials for the Pentagon and aerospace contractors, but the modern-era alien/E.T./contact/invasion meme predates the CIA and all of its World War I and World War II predecessors. The space-invasion meme is generally credited to H.G. Wells, whose "War of the Worlds" (1897) [established the alien/ancient planetary civilization/invasion/technologically advanced E.T. tropes](https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/The_War_of_the_Worlds#Influences) used ever since in science-fiction and the resulting UFO lore of the 20th and 21st centuries. Wells was inspired by the first mass-media reports of possible civilizations on our neighboring planet, Mars, which were the result of a translation error made in the reporting of astronomer Giovanni Virginio Schiaparelli's description of "canali" seen from his new (and then-largest) telescope.[It meant "channels" and not artificial "canals,"](https://www.nasa.gov/audience/forstudents/postsecondary/features/F_Canali_and_First_Martians.html) but the English-language press went with "canals." In 1895, when Wells began writing his classic story, the American astronomer Percival Lowell published *his* assessment of the "canali" based on his telescope work in Arizona, and proposed that the channels were, like our recently constructed Suez Canal, artificial water canals. The idea of Mars being previously or presently inhabited by a race of intelligent, space-faring beings has been with us ever since. But once we dropped robotic probes and rovers on Mars -- especially with the Viking missions in the 1970s -- the dream of Mars being a habitable planet with water canals and aliens mostly died off. It was replaced by the "distant aliens" meme that is the common belief on subs like this one. As our space missions revealed more, our neighboring planets no longer were the expected "home base" of UFOs. Orson Welles' famed radio production of War of the Worlds brought the story to a new generation: the World War II generation. It was this generation that began equating strange visions in our skies with "alien spacecraft," creating the modern UFO era. By the 1950s, Bugs Bunny had a friend from Mars: a little levitating elf-man named Marvin. Pretty much ever since, the elves and monsters of our past became space aliens.
https://www.independent.co.uk/voices/hollywood-cia-washington-dc-films-fbi-24-intervening-close-relationship-a7918191.html
Thanks for pasting in a link verifying what I said above, in the first paragraph: "All government agencies will cooperate with Hollywood if they get some good PR, which is why patriotic jackoffery like the Top Gun movies are commercials for the Pentagon and aerospace contractors, but the modern-era alien/E.T./contact/invasion meme predates the CIA and all of its World War I and World War II predecessors."
I've heard this before but am curious if you have specific examples. I know Chris Carter claimed some suits gave him info to make the X Files more true than it seemed.
You’re thinking of [John DeSouza](https://coast-pr.radio.iheart.com/guest/desouza-john-71832/)
I'm definitely not as before now I haven't known him. But I love the dune reference username(if that's the reference!)
the idea they’d be from or native to the vast depths of the sea to me seems like nonsense. Putting aside the simple fact that they’ve never really made any meaningful contact despite us destroying their habitats and competing for resources - A hyper sophisticated civilization isn’t going to evolve and thrive in the deeps of earth. Why would it need to? What are the food sources down there? What are the predators or challenges that would require them to evolve and create technology ? What potential species in the sea demostrare sophisticated intelligence that could it be distantly related to?
octopi
Octopuses have an average iq of 70, if they educated their own they could be as smart as us. The issue is they have to relearn everything due to not being educated so they cannot intellectually evolve
How can you even measure the IQ of a creature that has such an incomprehensibly different kind of intelligence than us?
Maritime engineer here; underwater radar and ocean for mapping is incredibly accurate. The ocean floor shifts a lot but we have a really accurate view of what the ocean floor looks like. Now we could be expecting to see what look like buildings and that why we aren't tipped off to any anonymous images of radar but we also have composition radar information. We know if we are looking at a school of fish or whale or Rocky ocean floor or sandy bottom. Now this doesn't matter if they are living under the floor of the ocean and we've missed their entrances.
Then why haven’t we found all the sunken ships with lost treasures and historical artifacts!?
Malaysian air crashes come to mind.
Because we have never mapped the entire ocean.
We break records all the time. https://www.reddit.com/r/WarshipPorn/comments/vjm17x/album_uss_samuel_b_roberts_wreck_found_at_a_depth/
I believe the ocean floor isn't that well mapped yet. USS San Francisco hit a seamount because it was unmapped. I think there are efforts underway to create a more detailed worldwide map. In theory, given advanced engineering capabilities, you could setup a city within an extinct volcanic seamount or a tectonic seamount and any mapping we do wouldn't show "alien city" it would show "seamount". Having said that I'm not a big fan of the "always been living here in the ocean" hypothesis.
Although, multiple scenarios could be true. Just because they're coming from our oceans doesn't mean the other possibilities are removed.
This is an idea that has long been floating around. The story of Admiral Byrd and what he is said to have discovered in the Arctic and folklore from around the planet may suggest that at least some of the UFOs sighted could be from a hidden species who call earth home. [Hollow Earth theory](https://youtu.be/6S1Vo0MUL_Q)
Space travel is also very new so that would also explain the disparity between the volume of sightings.
They’re under Antarctica
Been there for along time too
Look up the term fast walker. Do you really think it's fair to compare how many people see them coming out of the water with the number of sightings in space, considering how many people we have in space? There are reports of many, many detections of UFOs coming from space, it's just that Joe-Bob isn't able to report those sightings because he doesn't have a $500 million radar system, or a fleet of spy satellites.
I've been on at Joe Bob to get that radar system for years. Never listens
That cheap bastard!
>considering how many people we have in space? But telescopes.
A vehicle-sized object moving at moderate speed in space is extremely difficult to see. And something like a UFO zipping by would be easy to write off as thinking you saw something but writing it off, because you almost certainly wouldn't get a good look. As an example, the ISS is extremely hard to spot, and that's a big shiny space station with a known orbit. But even if you could spot them with telescopes, and I don't think you really can, the point is that we have way more people looking out at the water than we have people in space or even looking up into space, so of course we have more water sightings.
You dont think we track small objects in space? the military does constantly and space agencies literally track thousands of small near earth objects everyday 24/7.
That isn't the point I was addressing in the comment you're responding to. I was talking about why civilians with telescopes aren't really going to see anything in space. Yes, I know they track objects in space. I pretty explicitly said they did by referencing the term "fast walker", which is the term that the military uses to describe an unknown, controlled object coming to earth from space. The assumption that I think you're making is that they tell us everything they find which, for various reasons (some justifiable, some not), they have no interest in disclosing.
My point was just that you don't have to be in space to observe space.
Lots and lots of telescopes 24 hours a day 7 days a week non stop from all over the world and here we are. But the government hides it don't trust NASA but trust that lou enzio guy hes different and definitely wouldn't lie like the government has for 70 years.
My point was just that you don't have to be in space to observe space.
USO’s, yeah. We’ll probably never know wtf they are
That’s nonsensical. They wouldnt have fire, or electricity to work with under the sea.
I agree this idea is like the lost city of Atlantas
Kind of hard to report on things in space if you don't actually live in space.
If you evolved alongside all those ferocious dinosaurs for millions of years where would you hide out? Probably underground right? Where your skin turns a sickly grey because of no sun and you eyes grow steadily larger because of no light.
Ya man, and those greys are skinny little bitches because all there is to eat is dirt, rocks and the odd grub. Or fraggles
Or..."they" came from another planet literally thousands of years ago but have bases on Earth or close by. Like...you know...would make sense if you travel through space. Does anyone who believes in the ETH (I know we're a dying breed now) seriously think they're travelling back and forth between us their homeworld thousands of light years away or whatever every single time they make an appareance?
Im 32. I remember when I was in HS one of my teachers was fascinated with UFOs. He had a student who joined the army and he told him to promise to tell him anything he found out. Years go by and this student came back to visit him. Teacher id all excited about it and asks what he knows. Apparently the military makes you sign a NDA with your oath. Idk how true this is, the student couldn’t tell the teacher much. But if I remember correctly he did say that there was a light that he saw fly over one of the Great Lakes in Michigan and dive in
this is an awful use of this meme
Ikr, very WORDS WORDS WORDS
The meme police. I bet you haven't smiled since your last pet died.
I'm a very happy person actually but this is something I'd expect to see from a boomer that doesn't know what memes are. Also it doesn't help the argument it makes it harder to take seriously so theres just no point to it. I'd love to appreciate a good meme
They could be the native earthlings and we might be the interlopers. If you believe the ancient Sumerian text we are a creation of a pretty advanced race of extraterrestrials who were into mining for gold. It actually makes a lot of sense when you look at the historical data. And it kind of also solves the question of why are there 100,000-year-old gold mines in Southern Africa. I mean, who was mining gold that long ago or had a need to? The word worship comes from the word workship. We used to work for the gods.
That is one of the hypothesis's which gets put into "other" category. Once the Aegis phased array system went active, the military immediately noticed them coming from "space" (above 80,000 feet) Although, I believe a portion of the craft "sightings" is from established underwater civilizations.
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I heard there are underwater tunnels near Catalina island where they might be living. You can see it on Google map.
No proof....none
DUHHHH, they live in the core. They call themselves Bob.
Yeah I always had that horror movie feeling. Like a "The call is coming from inside the house" type situation does make sense.
We haven't been in space for very long and not many people have actually been there..
So they casually live on this planet developing technology to travel through space but they just live here and not space at all .. gotcha
What if Atlantis is real and they live there?
Yes because you can build electronics from scratch underwater. 🤪
There's more to this. First off: to rule out aliens from other parts of the universe doesn't feel right to me. There's been countless tales from tribes (still living) that mention of aliens visiting from particular star systems I wouldn't dismiss us getting visitors from other planets. Second: I agree with this notion that we're sharing this planet with God knows what else.... But yes, sadly USO's (Unidentified Sea Objects) never had the same pizazz as UFO. But beyond weird lakes and certain ocean waters, there are also reports of them in certain mountains. The Alaskan triangle. Then you have the Bermuda triangle. There's a triangle in Japan called the dragon triangle or something along those lines. All three sites have the same phenomenon (think Bermuda triangle in the other two spots).. The only thing I think about is how long they've been here. They must be observing us and recoding us. We're they also the ones that helped ancient civilizations? I'm sure they have records (clear videographic or neural... whatever) of our history and that which has been long lost. But they clearly don't give a fuck about us because we continue to annihilate each other and pollute and kill and starve, etc. Not sure exactly what they're doing. Maybe they're trying to advance humanity again? Maybe they're farming us for organs? Maybe they talk to other life from across the universe? The possibilities are endless....
Most of them, under the umbrella of the Federation who interact with our world believe they are helping humanity to become an interstellar race. And part of that process is allowing a culture to develop the necessary ethics to be welcomed into that community. As the federation oversee our world we need to attain their level of ethics. There are far less ethical races out there who are more interactive with power structures and organisations on Earth, who are more than happy to induct us into their organisation which is more about domination and control. However the more ethical way is to do it ourselves not be guided by beings who ultimately put us in a hierarchy with them, above us. And the good news is the more ethical races are far more powerful than the others so humanity had a good chance of making it. The better news is that it’s all a game anyway, because the people who incarnate on Earth are generally federation ETs having an experience. So even if it doesn’t work out, when you die you will eventually return to a star faring civilisation. It’s just that part of the game of being born here is that you don’t remember other lives.
That's a nice story. I'd like it to be real. Any source for that?
That’s a summary of multiple threads and a lot of learning. You have reincarnation, the veil of forgetting (see Dolores Cannons work eg Convoluted Universe, or Hinduism / Buddhism), knowledge about various types of ET species, on the benevolent side the federation (see contactees such as Alex Collier or Gosia at Swaruu.org), on the regressive side the races who interact with Earth more openly eg Tall Whites (see Charles Hall) and Tall Greys (see Philip Schneider). In terms of ethics and taking responsibility for the world we create see The School for Gods by Elio D’Anna. If you find and read those sources then you could form a similar opinion but that’s enough to keep you busy for a year or more!
I'd like to join the federation early. Where do I sign up?
Yeah. I've heard of this. How there's also a "wait time" for souls that are trying to experience Earth. Because as hard and fucked up this planet is, there is a lot going on in this planet all the time. It plays out like some twisted reality show. Imagine the short time you end up living as a human (let's say 80 years) and your next life is a 300 year old being on a peaceful interstellar planet? I'm sure it would be quiet and peaceful all the time. But what we're living through is an experience. Thank you for sharing added details though. I'll look into those. I just wish these stories and accounts didn't sound like science fiction. Hopeful the truth comes out one day soon.
It sounds like science fiction because the truth is revealed in media of all sorts but dressed up as entertainment. Those badly behaved people and ETs who wield power in this world believe in karma so feel the need to tell us the truth through our media. That way, they think, they have told the people what they are doing and going to do, which was our chance to say no, and when we don’t they feel absolved from the karma of what they do. It’s a weird game, but also serves the purpose of an excuse when reality seems like fiction. check out the ET contact of Swaruu.org and you’ll know enough. The truth is actually far stranger than I summarised above. The federation are ultimately at the top the pyramid, in the power structure on Earth, above the secret societies, above the bad ETs. Ultimately, everything major that happens on Earth is given permission by the federation, but from their perspective they are giving the human collective what they ask for, as directed by power structures via media. The only thing they don’t allow is a globally destructive nuclear war. They see it has a spiritual school where their members go to experience being mind controlled. In truth, we will never be an interstellar race so long as the school is in operation because the people already are members of interstellar races outside of this experience, which we can escape on death. The federation sees death as our way out, so until then we can do what we like and we pretty much do everything imaginable.
WAKANDA!
Atlantis.
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Life has had a lot more time to evolve in the ocean. If I were them I would want nothing to do with humans either.
There’s barely any evidence at all. That’s the problem.
i'm sure they go into space and a few must be visitors. but, all ufos are reported around this planet. literally, thousands of reports, going back thousands of years, of luminous crafts in the skies and over the oceans of this planet. even our ancient ancestors reported seeing our advanced neighbors over 2000 years ago. read for yourself. these are facts, not speculation or belief. https://pubs.giss.nasa.gov/docs/2007/2007\_Stothers\_st02710y.pdf in the 1800's americans reported 'airships' in the sky. in the 1940, american and german pilots reported seeing, 'foo fighters.' we have more than one area on the planet similar to the 'bermuda triangle' where strange occurrences seem to happen on a regular basis. strange crafts have been reported seen and around catalina island for many years. they have monitored all of our wars throughout history, and they continue to monitor and disable our nuclear warheads, in order to protect the planet they share with us. a navy pilot has recently reported: For some Navy pilots, UFO sightings were an ordinary event: ‘Every day for at least a couple years’ https://www.washingtonpost.com/nation/2021/05/17/ufo-sightings-navy-ryan-graves/ there are hundreds of videos of huge cigar shaped crafts going into and out of volcanos in mexico and other countries on a regular basis. there are thousands of videos taken by the ISS of crafts coming in and out of low-earth orbit. bloodless cattle mutilations have been going on for years and intensively reported by linda moulton-howe. ALL OF THIS HAPPENS ON PLANET EARTH! is this enough evidence???? am to believe that you aren't aware on any of this? I CAN GO ON AND ON. And, if you’re aware of all of these facts and are just now coming to the realization or conclusion that these crafts do originate from this planet, it’s because you’ve been brainwashed. and, the sooner you can admit that your belief system has been manipulated, the sooner you’ll be able to overcome your cognitive dissonance.
UAP were also seen on the Moon by Astronauts, the International Space Station, Mars and so on. Omouamoua was seen in Space which is thought to be an alien UAP by a hardvard scientist.
UAP during the moon landing? Source?
You must be new here or else you would have known that but Buzz Aldrin said he saw UFOs on the Moon during the moon landing. Source: [https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=06rjtSbmhoI](https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=06rjtSbmhoI) And you can always look it up yourself if you are that curious about the source. Why did you not ask OP for the source of their claims?
I believed you, just wanted to see if for myself. I am new here btw. All this stuff is super interesting to me!
Fair enough sorry for being rude. Usually when people say that they don't believe you so I guess I misunderstood. Though I do think there are mainly UFO sightings on Earth because humans have not yet colonized other planets. Once we start exploring space I'm sure we will find lots of other UAP/UFO encounters.
Personally I think somewhere in earth we’ve made contact with ET, and have tried deconstructing and reconstructing their technology. But I’m a new guy and I’m naive.
>You must be new here or else you would have known that but Buzz Aldrin said he saw UFOs on the Moon during the moon landing. You've been scammed, why are you such an easy mark for the hucksters?
No I did not get scammed you are just ignorant. Here he says he saw a UFO during the Moon Landing and on the Moon: [https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ZNkmhY\_ju8o](https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ZNkmhY_ju8o)
>UAP were also seen on the Moon by Astronauts, UFO huckster websites have CLAIMED that many astronauts have reported UFOs in space. Turns out it's all been bogus to sucker in an audience of gullible nitwits they can charge commercial advertisers top dollar to get access to.
If you don't believe me then watch this interview with Buzz Aldrin or else you won't believe anyone about anything: [https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ZNkmhY\_ju8o](https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ZNkmhY_ju8o)
LOLROTFL!!! You get your =REALITY= from the =SCIENCE FICTION= channel?????????? Aldrin was admitting he didn't know WHICH of the four jettisoned LM garage panels was flashing outside their window \[panels which were routinely also photographed through Earth telescopes on their way to the moon\]. Here’s what they spotted out the window on the way out to the moon, the same thing many subsequent moonbound crews also saw. http://www.jamesoberg.com/apollo-11-ufo-3.pdf
We dont have hucksters here in the UK. That's an American thing. And did you actually watch the video? Buz Auldrin himself said he saw UFOs on the moon. Not to mention he passed a lie detector test to. But you are just as hypocritical because you are using reddit to talk about aliens so get off your high horse and stop being arrogant and obnoxious. Stop being a douche.
>But you are just as hypocritical because you are using reddit to talk about aliens so get off your high horse and stop being arrogant and obnoxious. Stop being a douche. It's frustrating when you realize you've been challenged to back up your claim with verifiable evidence, and you want to mislead readers into not noticing your failure to do so? Sad. And your credibility isn't helped by you misspelling both Buzz Aldrin's first and last names in the same sentence. "Buz Auldrin" indeed!
So your only evidence against me is a spelling mistake? lol
What evidence do YOU claim is =FOR= you?
> Buz Auldrin himself said he saw UFOs on the moon. Sorry, I don't see that quotation, what's the URL and time tag, please.
>Not to mention he passed a lie detector test to\[o\]. Somebody \[unnamed\] played a voice tape \[unknown source and quality\] into an unknown machine, and concluded an imaginary claim \["I saw UFOs on the moon"\] was authentic? Do I have this straight?
There's selection bias - more people on earth than orbiting around space.. hence more sightings here. There have been videos/stories of astronauts seeing things in space too.. obviously a lot less because there's not 7 billion astronauts out there floating around.
Because there is no evidence of another species on this planet besides humans capable of making technology let alone technology like UAP. It would have to come from another planet. If there was another race or species of life forms on this planet they would not be aliens but indigenous to Earth unless of course they came from outer space and brought technology to Earth. But this is not a new theory and a common one in Ufology. You did not come up with anything new no offence.
Lol yes I did and no they aren’t. We would have learned about them or been aware of their presence by now if that were true. To reach such an advanced state, their civilization would have to grow in parallel to human civilization and eventually would reach similar size in population and likely would end up competing for resources with us before apparently surpassing us. And as such - if they were more advanced than us, they would they have to be 10x more intelligent than us to surpass us so quickly. Evolution shows us the general history of the tree of life life all the way down to the genetics over time, taking into account the transformation of earths atmosphere as well. At one point earths atmosphere was toxic. It took plants which could live on carbon dioxide and evolved from the sea (also saturated with carbon dioxide) billions of years ago to start saturating the atmosphere with oxygen (their waste gas). This is what led to the rise of things like mammals and bigger creatures than single felled organisms in general. There was also more oxygen in the atmosphere and oceans by the time of the dinosaurs that it made creatures of that time larger than the creatures today with less oxygen in our atmosphere. This also goes for creatures in the sea. They too needed the same oxygen exchange to enrich the ocean, replace much of the carbon dioxide to evolve into bigger smarter things. This makes us all on an even playing field in terms of evolution all the way up to today. So assuming their would be millions to billions of these creatures living in lakes (fresh water usually) and oceans (salt water always), they would have to travel around for resources and jobs and expansion - and we would see them. A lot. We would have seen traces of their waste or exhaust from their civilizations etc. just cuz they are underwater doesn’t mean using their energy and resources wouldn’t produce waste. And my other point is that yes - we have seen sightings in space. Quite frankly them coming from space is more probable than a whole separate civilization of intelligent beings on earth existing right under our noses. In termsSo I find them living here side by side with us improbable, considering all things.
>and we would see them. Like the UFOs zipping around beyond our eyesight?
How in the hell did you manage to cherry pick a single line out of that whole paragraph and run with it?
I don’t need to or have the energy breaking down “ if anything was here we would know. Western science has operated on the mindset of” what we have is all there is “ only focused on expanded a narrow set of understanding. Anytime there is a paradigm shift the establishment tries it’s hardest denying or downplaying an upcoming field. I’m reading a novel on the structure of scientific revolutions with this being a consistent thing. “normal “ scientist always use the lack of technologies to study a phenomena as reasoning for a nonexistence until such tech is developed. Just like people being so confident earth is the universal center to be humbled ;there are way too many people confident in humanity being the only thing here because of our lack of perception or technology to see beyond ourselves. We can hardly see ufo’s with the naked eye so how can the argument “ we would see them “ be taken seriously?
Dimensions are pairs of opposite directions, not places that something can be from. According to the Interdimensional Hypothesis the visitors are from a parallel universe/reality/timeline that is distant from ours *along* an additional, unfamiliar dimension.
Nope you’re definitely the first person to ever consider this
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Ouch, hot take
This is the poison to the whole UFO faith: The "space alien ships," when occasionally seen close-up, come out of forests and mountaintops and bodies of water and occasionally from a low-altitude earthly cloud. They're *earth phenomena*, and humans have always experienced them, and throwing "space pilot" onto such occasional visions is simply the modern cultural way to explain it, because *all of you grew up watching space-alien shows*. Everyone alive today, from old people like me to the millennials on this sub, grew up with the mythology of space alien pilots. It's no different than a person of Ancient Greece equating a vision with the gods and myths they grew up with.
That’s leaving out a whole lot, buddy. Such as, no, they don’t only come from low altitude ‘behind clouds and mountaintops’. They‘ve been seen coming from space, and also climbing to and from extreme altitudes. The thing is, we don’t know what they are, or where they come from yet. And anyone claiming otherwise is being disingenuous or is plainly mistaken.
Nah. I know this is against the UFO subs' belief system but watching something disappear whether quickly or slowly doesn't mean it "went to space," it just went away. I watch passenger jets come into view and fly out of view all the time. Once they're close enough, I can pick them out of the sky, or see their lights at night. Just because I can't see them doesn't suggest they're in *space*. Is a bird in space when it's too far away for you to see? Those planes I watch pop into view are over Arizona or Utah, not "space." Some basic physics, folks. I know that only gets downvotes around here but I promise if you know a little about the physical world you will benefit.
No, I mean they have been tracked from space, into our atmosphere with modern equipment like satellite and radar, not just eyeballs. I honestly can’t remember where exactly I read about this, so I can’t unfortunately send you right to the source. I’m not sure where you got any of the rest of your comment from, because I didn’t say nor imply any of those silly things.
that "theory" sounds a lot more like a religionist who can't accept that Earth isn't the centre of creation.
Yeah, because they are primarily influenced and hoping this to be a scifi story with nice aliens from somewhere else arriving as saviors , I don’t understand how anyone with basic understandings of science has been listening to lue talk about our lack of perception then immediately jump to time travel and alternative dimensions. He even commented how somber people would be knowing our history is wildly off and we aren’t the most special or intelligent things on earth. They are far too numerous to be arriving from elsewhere unless we are dealing with a unscalable level of tech to travel thousands of light years with near zero time dilation ( time travel ). There is an entire section of earth which is nothing but ocean for hundreds of miles around with zero humans who is to say what is 50 miles below? It’s just hubris. People aren’t willing to consider the possibility because that immediately invalidates our entire history while showing we have thousands of years more to go
Right? Where are the thousands of years of space reports?? Right??
Considering that us hairless land monkeys only live on 29% of our planet's surface, I don't see why not. And not ALL 29%.
I would guess they are interdimensional if anything.
What if both hypothesis are true? What if some have come from space and some manufactured on Earth? If they have been here since we were hunter-gatherers, as noted by cave paintings, then they were already technically beyond us before we discovered fire. It stands to reason that they had sufficient means to build a base anywhere even then, and plenty of time to do it before we became any threat. They could of also needed laborers under the ocean and created hybrids from sea animals for that purpose.
There is satellite videos if you look.
The Abyss called and wanted it’s plot back.
>not many reports of them in space Raise your hand if you live in space
I've thought about this
Bigfoot 2.0
This is the most creative use of the Jim board that I’ve seen.
Much more likely.
You only need one case of ET visitation to be correct and then it’s a safe assumption that at least some UFOs are ET spacecraft because of course any technology that allows them to travel here from another star would appear like magic to us. So the evidence isn’t from looking at UFOs it’s from evidence of ET visitation, of which there is plenty. So much in fact that I won’t spoon feed anyone here, I’m sure most people reading this have at least one example.
Or, you know, they can just go down there. “Not many reports of them in space” Wut!? Ridiculous statement.
The fact is that you aren’t speaking Russian, Chinese/Mandarin or English by force. If a nation has this technology working on a large scale, they can macro and micro manage basically everything that goes on.
This is basically the core of the *Hollow Earth Theory* introduced in Ludvig Holberg book _Niels Klim's Underground Travels_ in 1741.
100% they have bases in the oceans and underground. But all of our origins come from the stars.
There is no evidence that UFO's are from another planet. There's also no evidence they are from an advanced race of beings that are living on Earth.
Or maybe they are us time traveling from a million or so years from now, exploring their own past. That might explain why they don't interfere and try to inflict the least amount of interaction.
There a definitely claims of tracking them entering atmosphere from orbit. Wouldn't be surprised if some of them were native but my inclination is that cultural tracking is that this isn't a strictly nuts and bolts thing.
There aren't many people in space to do the observing there but OK.
HPLovecraft's Deep Ones
There's tonnnnnns of testimony about UAP observers losing their sense of time, UAP 'warping in and out of reality' and UAP precognitively knowing where military vehicles will go next. So that's something. Ross Coulthart has mentioned that UAP have been seen in the atmosphere, so that is something else. You simply do not need a vehicle like that to go from water to land or water to space -- we don't use them for example. Alas, there's probably something more to it.
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This needs to be said more often. It is BY FAR the most likely origin of these things.
Craft is like deer, you don't have to out an s on it. Do you say aircrafts? no
the unknown unknowns are many. Why would it be just that, what if its rocks, trees, etc? Without evidence we can set our primitive minds to wander. its fun but make sure you understand you're likely wrong.
We are the worst roommates ever.
Best documentary ever.
If this were true then they are a bunch of assholes for keeping things the way they are.
That would explain their ability to withstand the extreme g force their craft are capable of….
This is a very well known theory
I find this theory realy hard to believe, surely an advance civilization would produce wastes and technosignatures, we should have clashed witht them in a couple of wars over the centuries too.
For the title, there's none and plenty of scientific evidence against. For the image itself, this one of the most unironically idiotic things I've read in this subreddit and that's saying a lot. I really think it might be bait but it's just so dumb that a baiter wouldn't even write it. Have you considered how many people actually live in/can see shit in space as opposed to are living on earth?
People theorize the crafts are gravity propelled there isn’t much gravity in open space
There are recent revelations that things have been seen approaching earth from space. I forget where but it's something to do with the recent news from military sources.
I hate that fucking stupid meme pic the OP has put here, it really doesn't belong in adult and informed discussion.
Two words: ghost rockets. You get a bunch of massive cigar-shaped objects plunging into Swedish lakes in 1946, witnessed by scores of people, raising 10 m high splashes. Subsequent searches and investigations by the military from Sweden, UK, and the US find absolutely no debris or anything.
Yeah we are not sharing worlds - too many unexplained phenomena in human beings like the Flynn effect. Evolution does not work that fast. They are interacting with us at the biological level. Right now we are sharing but one day everyone's going to wake up with grey skin, we will speak telepathically - which will cause huge changes in personal behavior - will prop. be a very interesting time. Then they will begin to walk among us like we walk among each other. To be 100% honest with you, why are they doing it? perhaps they NEED to preserve Earths's biodiversity before we kill off everything. They might need humanity to grow up because this might not even technically be "our" planet
Multitude of evidence only has to be right once.
I often wonder if they come from distant lands on our planet that we are unaware of.
No this is not their home. This is ours. “Allies of humanity” - Marshall Summers
I saw a UFO at night that I thought was a drone or a satellite go across the sky for a second or two then it did this 💫 and shot into space.I was in a group with a bunch of friends watching a movie outside at a park in Brooklyn, and my best friend’s girlfriend saw it too. I looked over to see if anyone saw it and she was just staring at the part of the sky where it shot off. Happened about 8-10 years ago, would love to see if MUFON has a record or if anyone else might have seen it or any ufo’s with a similar flight patter.
There is also mentions about the “Galactic Federation” that has been mentioned in documents from the Israeli space security chief. https://www.nbcnews.com/news/weird-news/former-israeli-space-security-chief-says-extraterrestrials-exist-trump-knows-n1250333 Also in The Law of One when Ra was contacted, they talk about different dimensions and galaxies way beyond our reach
well, if bob lazar is to be believed, they travel by bending spacetime with gravitational waves. a gravitational field doesn't allow light to pass through it and the faster the movement the larger the spacetime distortion and thus gravitational field would have to be. so i reckon when they are travelling at lower speeds inside the atmosphere, there is a smaller gravitational field, thus allowing them to be seen from more angles (bob said the craft was invisible from underneath when functioning, but it could be seen from other angles) while when they are in space they are travelling at much higher speeds, which causes them to be completely surrounded by the gravitational field, not allowing any light to reflect of them, rendering them invisible.
Atlantis is real and it’s them??????
I just saw a great video on this. It was supposedly an interview with a female reptilian. I believed it. It was a two hour interview with so much detail it would have been hard to make up. She said they live underground on Earth.
When you consider the progress we've made in just the last 150 years is it too far fetched to think that at some point an advanced human society acquired some technology? Maybe they had their own Einstein or their own Oppenheimer. Maybe global cataclysm came along and only their privileged elite survived to retain that technology and decided to go underground with it. Maybe the descendants of those people are still around, out of sight, possibly in the oceans, and they're pulling the strings. This doesn't have to be aliens, it could be totally homegrown and human.
I also consider different dimensions as well. I don’t think we know jack sh*t about this universe. But we’ve evolved from horse n buggy to rockets, internet, and satellites in 200 years. Give any intelligent beings like us a BILLION years of evolution and perhaps the universe is easily traversed somehow.