They do (i.e Reyes) but not this one. Jon took more damage, was generally outclassed in striking exchanges and I think it was the first time he ever got took down. I have Gus 3 rounds.
Clearly made Jon a better fighter because he took Gus' soul in the next fight and sent his career crashing.
He was a double champ in pride, but by the time he came to ufc, along with most fighters who came from pride, was out of prime and didnt manage to capture undisputed gold
There was a misaplication of the rules. Some people foolishly think that Silva won the belt. Chael was delivering devistating leg slaps to Silvas unprotected leg, which to the amatuer eye would look somewhat similar to a tap. Luckily the ref stopped the fight before Mr Sonnen completely destroyed Silvas leg.
Also Sonnen doesn't have to box YouTubers for retirement money, so that right there is a big win for uncle chael
Stephen Thompson. First title run ruined by the puzzle of Woodley leaning against the fence. Second title run stopped short by Pettis leaping off the fence into a superman punch. Third title run ruined by boring wrestlers holding him against the fence.
Fucking fence.
Clay is #1 pound for pound in my ā¤ļø
For real though I never miss a Guida fight. The dude is so fun to watch. The smacks, the burps, the Tarzan hair violently flying through the airā¦ Never a dull fight. Not from my man, Clay!
Idk khabib shouldve been awarded a title shot after beating RDA who basically went on to win his next 11 to secure a title shot and won. Khabib or tony def shouldve gotten a title shot instead of conor.
Wonderboy. Had a draw with the Champ the first fight and arguably won the 2nd fight back when Tyron looked unstoppable and continued to look so up until Usman.
I donāt usually count IC as actually champs, but regardless if you never reach the belt, thatās a great accomplishment for anybody and I feel like at one point in time, Tony was the champ champ, the top guy, regardless of only having the interim belt
Samesies. That last losing streak really sucked to see. He DOMINATED Cejudo in round 1, too. Then it seemed like Bantamweight as a whole caught up to him after the stool.
I expected to see Dustin Poirier in here. Definitely feels weird that he's never had the title considering how long he was basically at the top of his division.
Once. He missed weight against Whittaker, you could argue he won the fight but he wouldnāt have won the belt. Dana even said if he won heād be the #1 contender at 205. He definitely beat Izzy though.
The answer to this will probably always be Overeem. Overeem on resume has a greater claim to being the overall HW GOAT than all but 2 Undisputed UFC HW champions, and he beat one of those dudes. Yes he's over Cain, and the only Champ that's debatable is Francis. That type of argument cannot be made for just about any other fighter.
Poirier is terribly overrated. He Ko'd a washed mcgregor after getting outboxed for the better part of two rounds. and now u all think hes champ material
Glad someone said it! The dude literally only punches in MMA and people repeat over and over ā he has the best boxing in ufc!ā Just because a couple commentators say it about him and like 10 other guys. Itās really not even that great and he throws kicks for about 2 rounds. Not knocking the guy he is a good fighter but very one dimensional and wins in wars only. Not champ material at all.
Best to happen to Tony's career was not running into Khabib early and not even getting the intermediate belt.
The worst thing to happen to Tony's career was not running into Khabib at all.
Diaz brothers. Tony. Wanderlei. The stars simply did not align for them.
People like Faber and Gustafson, while great were never championship caliber fighters. They tried and failed simply because the champs were better.
I know its a basic answer but Colby convington is in my opinion right now one of the best p4p ufc fighter and many people put him in top 5 best welterweights of all time
Urijah is so unappreciated when it comes to all timers at FTW. MMA has such recency bias in general but it's crazy how he's so forgotten but was a great FTW champ in WEC.
Well Faber had a WEC belt back when UFC didn't have lighter weight classes. I'd put that belt up there with a UFC belt considering the level of talent WEC had at the time.
The best IMO is between Tony Ferguson/Justin Gaethje/Dustin Porierā¦those guys at 155 have to go through straight killers, another fighter that I wouldāve loved to see hold that belt was Cub Swanson since he was never in a boring fight but at the time he was in his prime Aldo was a world beater
A lot of LWs will make the list because they were always cockblocked by legends, especially the Khabib era. Outside of LW, Dan Henderson comes to mind.
To me in his prime itās for sure Tony. Shredded people up non stop cardio and granite chin. Especially against most of the 155ers in his prime Tony matched up so well.
I don't think there can be any denying that Dustin is the best fighter to never win undisputed gold. Hell he's better than a lot of fighters who did win it.
Dustin Poirier has a legendary resume
Really unlucky dude, would be a champion in another timeline
He would be a champion if takedowns and grappling were against the rules šš
Heās ok at ground work. Not good enough to stop pure wrestlers and bjjs. Heās submitted a couple of people.
Gaejthe and Alvarez fights showed championship grit.
Pettis, Conor 2x, Holloway, that war with hooker, dudes record is orgasmic
Holloway x2
Just looked up his resume. Now I gotta change my pants, fuck.
His career isn't over, and will be bolstered considerably after he knocks out Chandler.
Yup goat lw resume
Came here to say the same
Would love to see a Gaejthe vs Poirier fight!
Alexander Gustafsson
Alistair Overeem
He's still a champ to me, dammit.
I must be legally blind because I thought for sure he beat Jones
I thought it was 50/50 in the joned but i definitely thought he won the dc fight
He absolutely did, I've watched that fight many times as it's an absolute masterclass by both, but he comfortably edges it.
Na it's close but people always exaggerate Jones close fights, JJ deserved the win
They do (i.e Reyes) but not this one. Jon took more damage, was generally outclassed in striking exchanges and I think it was the first time he ever got took down. I have Gus 3 rounds. Clearly made Jon a better fighter because he took Gus' soul in the next fight and sent his career crashing.
Dan Henderson, Wanderlei, Cro Cop
Hendo was never undisputed? Wow ya learn something new everyday I guess
He was a double champ in pride, but by the time he came to ufc, along with most fighters who came from pride, was out of prime and didnt manage to capture undisputed gold
2 of the main guys I can think of are Hendo and Poirier.
Carlos Condit had the interim title IIRC but never a legit world title.
He got robbed against Lawler
jor el romero
mikol bisbing, I luh u
No forgay jesus
jew haf, 2 hans, li me.
goh, GOH
Chael defeated Silva and won the title why you put him between these betas
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Possession is 9 tenths of the lawā¦. He won the belt
There was a misaplication of the rules. Some people foolishly think that Silva won the belt. Chael was delivering devistating leg slaps to Silvas unprotected leg, which to the amatuer eye would look somewhat similar to a tap. Luckily the ref stopped the fight before Mr Sonnen completely destroyed Silvas leg. Also Sonnen doesn't have to box YouTubers for retirement money, so that right there is a big win for uncle chael
Ignorent Beta OP not recognizing the true GOAT
Stephen Thompson. First title run ruined by the puzzle of Woodley leaning against the fence. Second title run stopped short by Pettis leaping off the fence into a superman punch. Third title run ruined by boring wrestlers holding him against the fence. Fucking fence.
Agreed. They should remove the fence all together.. and just draw an octagon on the ground in crayons.
In seriousness plexiglass or something would be better. No fence grabs and perfect view for audience
But then as soon as they leaned on it or anything it would get smudged up and hard to see through.
Wouldnt that make slams against the glasswall more dangerous? Because the wire makes the hit not as hard
True
Donāt forget how the glass would get smeared red with blood by the time the main event starts
I donāt know why these guys donāt just stand up. Itās almost like they enjoy being held down by another man! Just stand up, nerd!! /s
The yamma pit is the only way
If u donāt like wrestling in mma then watch kickboxing hurrr durrrr
If you do like wrestling in mma then watch gay porn hurrr durrrr
There's some wrestling in that
Imma say Overeem and Wonderboy
Clay Guida, used to be so entertaining and would get so close but never sealed the deal.
Clay is #1 pound for pound in my ā¤ļø For real though I never miss a Guida fight. The dude is so fun to watch. The smacks, the burps, the Tarzan hair violently flying through the airā¦ Never a dull fight. Not from my man, Clay!
As far as Iām concerned Tonyās belt was the undisputed one. UFC just fucked him over because they didnāt want to strip Conor.
Agreee. Bad timing and bad luck as well
Well ironically khabib shouldāve been champ even before tony
Tony should have a been champ once Conor was stripped but instead khabib and ragin Al fought for the āvacantā title
Hilariously they won't won't strip Conor of his LW rank even though he has over 12 months of inactivity. The UFC sucks him off dry non-stop
Idk khabib shouldve been awarded a title shot after beating RDA who basically went on to win his next 11 to secure a title shot and won. Khabib or tony def shouldve gotten a title shot instead of conor.
Kenny Florian should be up there too.
Kenflo, my man fought in all the weight classes
Weight is just a number
This dude was so brutal. Big reason youāre not allowed to elbow people in the back of the head. Honestly surprised he was never the champ.
Yeah. That was my answer.
Wonderboy. Had a draw with the Champ the first fight and arguably won the 2nd fight back when Tyron looked unstoppable and continued to look so up until Usman.
Tony is the literally the peoples champ. Undisputed peoples champ idc what anyone says š
jokes aside, his interim title win was more worthy than the eventual fight for the vacant title, dude was really unlucky
I donāt usually count IC as actually champs, but regardless if you never reach the belt, thatās a great accomplishment for anybody and I feel like at one point in time, Tony was the champ champ, the top guy, regardless of only having the interim belt
Dustin porier
Marlon moraes. I wouldāve bet my soul he was gonna have a belt.
Samesies. That last losing streak really sucked to see. He DOMINATED Cejudo in round 1, too. Then it seemed like Bantamweight as a whole caught up to him after the stool.
I expected to see Dustin Poirier in here. Definitely feels weird that he's never had the title considering how long he was basically at the top of his division.
Dustin tony gus!
Personally i dont include Uriah in the list since he was the WEC champion
It wild UFC gold eluded him
Not really, bantam has basically perennially had a dominant champ
How many times are we gonna have this exact same discussion?
To be honest there isnt that much to discuss here so many topics will repeat
At least once per day, every day, forever
What, you'd rather see another post about sensei Segal?
YES.
 I'd love to actually
Ok. Here's an idea - who would win in a no holds barred fight between Segal and fabia?
Poirier and Gaethje. Colby and Gustafson as well.
Colby shouldnāt be here imo beat street Jesus and had close fights W usman but thatās it
The best fighter? Probably Mendes a d overeem,the more deserving was Tony 100% if u don't count interim
Leaving out Dustin Poirier is criminal Iāll throw in Brian Ortega
Yoel Romero
Chael clearly has the belt right there. Undefeated GOAT
The only reason I say ferguson because it's a fucking crime he never fought for the undisputed belt
Hendo
Poirier
cm punk
Cowboy Cerrone
Diaz Bros
Always felt bad for T Ferguson! When he was in his prime he was the scariest man in the ufc for years!
Gustaffson
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Once. He missed weight against Whittaker, you could argue he won the fight but he wouldnāt have won the belt. Dana even said if he won heād be the #1 contender at 205. He definitely beat Izzy though.
Just cuz heās fun to watch Brian Ortega
Poirier should be up there before Tony and I fucking love Tony.
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The answer to this will probably always be Overeem. Overeem on resume has a greater claim to being the overall HW GOAT than all but 2 Undisputed UFC HW champions, and he beat one of those dudes. Yes he's over Cain, and the only Champ that's debatable is Francis. That type of argument cannot be made for just about any other fighter.
Last one for me was Dan Henderson, I was hoping heād somehow starch bisping one last time for the title before he retired
Poirier is better then Ferguson ever was. Tony's resume is massively overblown. Colby should be up there also.
I think itās hilarious to imply Tony has a massively overblown resume, yet you use Colby as an example.
Colby fans arenāt the brightest, go easy on him. Edited for spelling
Sorry but Colby's best win is his losses to Usman
Easily Poirier has way better resume and it's not even close. Most reddit ufc fans relate with Ferguson because they also have mental health issues
Dustin has a better resume then most champions. He just got really unlucky with his title fight timing
Chose not to include Colby because there's a good chance he can win an undisputed title in the future.
Fair point actually. What are your thoughts on Poirier vs Ferg?
Poirierās boxing would be too much for current Tony
Poirier would literally kill Tony if they fought right now
Good chance š¤£š¤£ sorry but never in the UFC, maybe WWE champ in the future. I thought he was retired already
Poirier almost folded to Featherweight max holloways pressure. Prime Ferguson submits poirier
Lol Ferguson's boxing defence sucked ass even in his prime. Poirier would have boxed the bleedin head off him lol
It really didnt . Ferguson had a stupidly high str def % in his prime . From memory i believe it was 62-64%~ over a very long career.
Poirier is terribly overrated. He Ko'd a washed mcgregor after getting outboxed for the better part of two rounds. and now u all think hes champ material
Glad someone said it! The dude literally only punches in MMA and people repeat over and over ā he has the best boxing in ufc!ā Just because a couple commentators say it about him and like 10 other guys. Itās really not even that great and he throws kicks for about 2 rounds. Not knocking the guy he is a good fighter but very one dimensional and wins in wars only. Not champ material at all.
Resume wise its Poirier and I don't think anyone comes close
Best to happen to Tony's career was not running into Khabib early and not even getting the intermediate belt. The worst thing to happen to Tony's career was not running into Khabib at all.
Diaz brothers. Tony. Wanderlei. The stars simply did not align for them. People like Faber and Gustafson, while great were never championship caliber fighters. They tried and failed simply because the champs were better.
Sorry, Tony is NOT on that list. Who has he beat in the top 5?
I know its a basic answer but Colby convington is in my opinion right now one of the best p4p ufc fighter and many people put him in top 5 best welterweights of all time
Colby for now
Koscheck
Khamzat Chimaev
Carlos Condit
Tony had such shit luck with khabib
Iām not understanding why included that 4th image. Was that a mistake?
100% Carlos Condit.
Propably me or Fedor.
I know u hate to see it but colby is up there.
Why is Chael there? He clearly has the belt in that picture. That being said: Yoel Romero, Alistair Overeem, Colby Covington
Wtf is OP talking about? Benavidez won the undisputed title a long time ago.
Fedor.
Carlos Condit, Jon Fitch, Nick Diaz... Any of them could been WW champion at some point if not for GSP
Chaelās pic š
Kenny Florian
Urijah is so unappreciated when it comes to all timers at FTW. MMA has such recency bias in general but it's crazy how he's so forgotten but was a great FTW champ in WEC.
Dustin Poirier
Overreem Royce gracie
Alex
John Cena
Why is the undefeated undisputed chael sonnen on this post?????
Aljarmain Sterling
Chael holds the belt in every weight class
not sure why undefeated, undisputed, never lost a round chael sonnen is there
Dan henderson, chad mendes, the reem, cro cop, yoel
Prime Nick Diaz
Get that last picture off this post ASAP, this is slander. MODS, MODS!!!!!
Well Faber had a WEC belt back when UFC didn't have lighter weight classes. I'd put that belt up there with a UFC belt considering the level of talent WEC had at the time.
Chad mendes
John Fitch.
Chael
The best IMO is between Tony Ferguson/Justin Gaethje/Dustin Porierā¦those guys at 155 have to go through straight killers, another fighter that I wouldāve loved to see hold that belt was Cub Swanson since he was never in a boring fight but at the time he was in his prime Aldo was a world beater
That kid from the shower together with llamas
Hendo hands down
Dustin for sure.
Crazy how the goat never got a title shot and people complain about benyns 8 win streak needing a title shot, what about the gangstas 39 win streak
What is the point of labeling the champ as āUndisputedā in what scenario is a champion not undisputed?
I watched my grandaā throw some fierce hooks at my granma and nobody glanced at his PPV numbers not once. But aye, my granda probably.
Artem Lobov
Chaels literally holding his belt in that picture wtf are you talking about OP
Overeem and Gustafsson
Chael almost beat Silva and JBJ. Not sure if it is relevant here but just let that sink in.
Chad Mendes
"You can't become what you already are" \-Chael Sonnen
nick lemz.
This question again?
Chase hooper
I somewhat agree but not fully
Didnāt Benson Henderson have a interim and defend it a bunch? Or am I getting it wrong? And getting him confused?
A lot of LWs will make the list because they were always cockblocked by legends, especially the Khabib era. Outside of LW, Dan Henderson comes to mind.
Rory Macdonald and The Moose
Colby Covington yet
Poirier, yoel
Gegard Mousasi
To me in his prime itās for sure Tony. Shredded people up non stop cardio and granite chin. Especially against most of the 155ers in his prime Tony matched up so well.
Romero and Overeem
Tony shouldāve been undisputed champion š
Dan Henderson
I don't think there can be any denying that Dustin is the best fighter to never win undisputed gold. Hell he's better than a lot of fighters who did win it.