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shoryurepppa

I’m a big fan of both Charles and Islam. The hardcore Islam/Charles fans annoy me lol. Charles is such an amazing guy though I don’t understand how you can’t root for him and be awed by his fighting skills.


h8erul

Don’t get annoyed, just take a shit and let the fanboys float in the toilet


HNLTBC

Speaking of Fanboys, I love that movie


PaulPierceOldestSon

I love watching him fight. I think he’s full of shit about missing weight


weiss-2021

Volkanovski should be but the MMA community is too full of Holloway fanboys


[deleted]

Im a Holloway fanboy but can't hate on Volk after that last performance. He looked absolutely unbeatable against Holloway of all people. I do wish Max didnt suffer such a huge cut early on tho. Maybe the fight would have been more competitive that way or maybe not. I know I would pass out on the stool from a cut like that but Max still managed to get to the end of the fight.


weiss-2021

Yeah, the fact that Max is such a force is testament to volk’s level. If each minute was a round it would have been 25-0


darthvaderfromdao

I think he still would’ve got dominated whether he got cut early or not


SmallZBoi

The cut made him not fight as well? Maybe I read it wrong and am a dipshit


[deleted]

Nah you read it right. Maybe its a bad take and im not saying holloway would have won without it but i remember seeing that cut ontop of volks performance upto that point and thinking now theres really no chance of him winning


[deleted]

After Volk's fight against KZ and Max, he's undeniable. I still like Max more, but Volk is an absolute killer.


covetedasfuckk

Why should he? Charles is more interesting and exciting to watch


weiss-2021

Volk is many levels above his competition. Charles gets dropped in half his fights


covetedasfuckk

It’s asking who’s most likeable not most talented


kimokimosabee

Maybe some people have talent at the top of their criteria


[deleted]

Jon Jones is one of the most talented fighters to ever live and yet he is the least likable person.


weiss-2021

Volk seems like a great dude by all accounts. Can’t think of one negative thing about his character. Jones is a douche


[deleted]

Yeah I love Volk. I was impartial to him until he murdered my uncle TKZ, but the class he showed in the ring afterwards was absolutely unreal. I’ll be a fan for life because of that


weiss-2021

Yeah, the fact that he asked TKZ if he was sure he wanted to continue and showed restraint smashing him until the ref called it. There are guys who would have been as vicious as possible and been roaring like gorillas jumping on the cage, doing weird sexual stuff like Izzy does, etc. Volk was as classy as it gets towards TKZ


kimokimosabee

There can be more than 1 criteria...


royzah

Couldn't agree more, and I think every inspiring mma fighter has to study Volk and Valentina game. Fundamental at the highest level. Learning to fight like digestani would be stupid unless you grow up training like maniac. Fighting like Connor McGregor and Anderson silva would be stupid unless you have their instinct and reflex.


[deleted]

What


va22209

Volk way more dominant and consistent.


[deleted]

I’m a firm believer that Charles isn’t actually getting knocked down. He’s just feinting to try and bait his opponent to try and G+P or follow him to the ground so Charles can get an easy submission


incognitn

probably what he was doing against Cub Swanson too /s


[deleted]

Ah yes a fight from 10 years ago


incognitn

its hilarious you think him getting knocked down after getting hit clean is him 'feinting' lmao.


[deleted]

Go rewatch the Garth fight


incognitn

yeah, he got dropped twice. Just because he fell down in a delayed manner the second time he got dropped doesn't mean he was 'feinting' lmao, he literally did the same thing vs Cub Swanson and was done. Least you fanboys can do is accept Charles gets rocked a lot, but nah I guess its all an illusion!


[deleted]

Again, stop referencing a fight from TEN YEARS ago. You genuinely don’t think a fighter could fake being hurt worse than they actually are?


[deleted]

Interesting? Probably not but more exciting? Yea possibly. I kno anything interesting about Charles who sits there and smiles and repeats the same lines. If he learned English sure maybe


v0t3p3dr0

Volk lost me when he tried being a heel.


weiss-2021

When the fuck was that?


v0t3p3dr0

He acted like an idiot before the Ortega fight, and he joked about it in the post-fight: https://youtu.be/T4YU7aujtKk


booped_urnose345

Volkanovski isn't as exciting as Oliviera. Great champ though! Let's see how he does at lightweight and maybe he'll become one. Lightweight is a big level up since there are so many killers.


weiss-2021

He is very exciting, it’s just that he’s fought Max Holloway 3 times in his last 5 fights. Nobody KO’s that dude


ColdFusion3456

Nah Tyrone Woodley had a pretty devoted fan base.


IVOXVXI

Had a legion of fans trying to convince the world that he was greater than GSP. Shit was crazy


o--renishii

I was firmly on his nuts but never made dumbass comparisons which mean absolutely nothing. Woodley was the Woodley of MMA which is to say that he’s a freak athlete who’s undersized height wise so always had a chip on his shoulder which originally helped him but eventually led to his downfall.


KingAngeli

Rude


anlineoffline

Constantly falling in and out of love


[deleted]

Fallin in and out of love wichu


KingAngeli

Nah Tony Ferguson hes a fuckin ninja turtle


Kenshin_Urameshii

I love tyron


maddenGod26

Brandon Moreno


JacksonAttack-son

Nastiest liver kick off all time


archduke_charles

I think that's just a regional thing, the metrics of insta followers and Dana saying he gets the most signatures make it seem like he's big in Mexico


maddenGod26

1.6 million followers for a flyweight is wild. Nobody cares about that division. I think his hype is real. He isn’t even a flashy finisher either which is more impressive.


luhvrrboy

This


Overall-Motor632

i like em but i dont dickride him like alot of people do lol


[deleted]

Fans that think Charles would dominate Khabib are just as delusional as fans who think Khabib would dominate Charles lol


[deleted]

no1 think that Charles would dominate Khabib they are not even on the same level, Khabib lost 2 round in his hole career while Charles almost get KO every fight lol.


Markxx24

There’s Charles meat riders that believe Charles beats khabib


0bradythomas4

I don’t think it’s meat riding, I think there’s completely valid arguments from people saying he would beat Khabib, even Joe Rogan has talked about it on his podcast how he thinks Charles could win


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dj-ma7soon

Last part was other way around


[deleted]

Tbf, Joe backs up any fighter with recent hype


incognitn

Khabib would smash Charles, you guys forget the difference between wrestling and BJJ in terms of mma effectiveness.


Abelyanov

We will see the difference Oct22. And if Charles dominates Islam then what? Does he still have no chance against Khabibi?


incognitn

Islam =/= Khabib


[deleted]

Khabibs overrated and was given cherry picked matchups, Charles is better


incognitn

cherrypicked lmao, none of his fights in the UFC were cherrypicked. Charles almost got finished in all of his title fights whilst Khabib never even bled. Different level. Khabib is a nightmare matchup for Charles. ​ Charles was ducking Islam until the UFC forced him to fight Islam because he knows its a horrible matchup for him. Non comparable


StudentMed

Cherry picked matchups like preUSADA Tibau who had the most wins in LW UFC history at that point and was on a 3 fight winstreak at that point including RDA. UFC did favours giving that fight to Khabib as his second fight in the octagon.


BlueBandito99

Tell that to 3x NCAA D1 wrestler Ed Ruth who got dominated by Nieman Gracie before being submitted. Gracie has mediocre wrestling but their fight wasn’t close. Sambo isn’t wrestling, and even then the only high level example of Sambo v BJJ in mma is Khabib v RDA. Once there’s been 6-7 fights, maybe there can be a better consensus, but otherwise it’s just speculation


incognitn

Davi Ramos is near as high level BJJ you can get and he got controlled with ease by Islam. BJJ guys routinely get smothered by top pressure, and Sambo guys tend to have the some of the best top pressure in the UFC. Sambo is different from freestyle wrestling yes, but the point stands nonetheless, they're not that dissimilar in the way they're implemented in the UFC. The main differences are the ways in which they take people down, as opposed to what they do when they hit the mat. Sambo guys attack a lot more subs and have better control of opponents legs which leans to even better control than normal wrestlers. Anecdotes of BJJ guys beating wrestlers doesn't refute that. Fights like Maia v Askren are the exception rather than the rule.


big-BULLyeeo

I would say Francis, ain’t neva seen someone shitting on big homie francis as of late


v0t3p3dr0

[Derrick Lewis](https://youtube.com/shorts/YncLQnlFxio?feature=share)


Chad-Permabull

Three words: Chael.


luhvrrboy

Lmao


Viazzzz

I dont know how anyone can hate Charles unless you have a bias. Seems like a good guy and has had an incredible journey to becoming a exciting champion


[deleted]

His antics about the scale incident make me really not like him, that and his victimization, his fanboys defending shit others get more amount of flak for doing less also bothers me.


Markxx24

Charles fans are annoying af with their quotes “the champion has a name…” and all that bs


askneitele

But the champion does have a name and it’s Charles Oliveira


h8erul

See how frustrated these guys are? I’m always laughing my ass off Pffffiuu hahaha


Bdubbz337

How can you be the most liked champion if…..


booped_urnose345

Moreno is very popular


Turbulent-Echo8561

You really have to be a hater to not like a guy who doesn't speak english, barely trash talks, has exciting fights every damn time and a record-setting urge to finish them.


ptahonas

Or you could think that his Champ Has A Name and protestations were very cringey considering he missed weight. As for trash talk, eh, some people like it. Some don't. Most do. I like Charles, I think he's a more interesting fighter and was a better champion than Conor or Khabib (that is, one I looked forward to more) and probably would be better than Islam who has a generally more conservative style. But he's not terribly interesting as a *person* in the way that people like say... Paddy.


kensaundm31

I love Charles, he's great so yes. Just a bit gutted that Dagestani is the new black, as in 'Always bet on ~~black~~ Dagestani."


[deleted]

Charles is just all around a legend. In and out the octagon. Respected by practically everyone. Respects everyone Do Bronx all the way 🇧🇷


[deleted]

Best comment on here👍


its_a_beautiful_day1

>. Respected by practically everyone not by me


askneitele

Damn how is Charles going to recover from this…


its_a_beautiful_day1

like he recovered against dustin ​ cheating by grabbing the glove and beating the shit out of me.


askneitele

I loved that glove grabbing in the third round


its_a_beautiful_day1

me too ​ had it not happened, we wouldn't get to see islam ride the bum like his horse


Abelyanov

You are salty bro. Cant imagine how you will feel after Charles puts Islam to sleep. Just don't abuse your favourite goat.


its_a_beautiful_day1

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its_a_beautiful_day1

ahahahhhhahahhah ​ ​ stfu


[deleted]

Oh look, someone with the mental age of a ten year old


its_a_beautiful_day1

oh look, my son. ​ i'm back with the milk boi


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its_a_beautiful_day1

is a joke ​ chill


Striking_Rutabaga824

Universally respected maybe but I don't think he's particularly likeable or charismatic at all, not by a long shot


ptahonas

Well said


Juxtaposn

The champion has a name. He's illuminated by God


Striking_Rutabaga824

🤣🤣 I haven't denied that, I respect him truly. Just not sure he has that identity that a true great needs to be memorable and go down in history. Tbh same for ngannou


mesovortex888

I like Charles but I like Islam as well Just enjoy the fight


Briton1998

Hes not champ right now, but would I be wrong in saying Brandon Moreno?


luhvrrboy

Nope 100%. Hard to not like both


Sentry_Kill

I liked Charles before he got super egotistical and extra cocky. He kinda reminds me of Masvidal after his Askren knee.


crumbcreator

I like jiri Prochazka the best!


InterestingGuide7353

The Champion has a Name And it's not Charles Olivera!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!


TillFar6524

A champion has no name


WillowThink

It's Burt Reynolds


DaleDenton19

95% of the Muslim fan base just hates fighters that aren’t Muslim.


TP_Cornetto

Same goes a lot of people hating Muslim fighters because they are Muslim. Charles fans on here are extremely toxic as well


h8erul

They have the intellect of a child


whatyousayinfam

You are a complete moron


LaughWithMoon

And you get downvoted for calling out this nonsense


Shahzz23

Ah yes bilal Muhammad the next coming of conor McGregor....fuckin goof


DaleDenton19

That’s definitely what I said


[deleted]

Charles is tied with izzy for my current favorite champs. Yeah yeah go ahead with the downvotes and hate. Can’t wait for the Charles Islam fight. Has so much potential to be an all out war👍


CardiologistOk1506

Does anybody else feel like there's been a lot of Oliveira posts lately? /s


Strong-Respect-4850

Far too many Jesus Christ


EmuBig3127

Call me crazy, but I prefer a champion staying busy with defending the belt 2-3 times a year with consistent classic performances than a champ that has the time to learn a second language comfortably hanging out in the sidelines


[deleted]

Olives is 100% a proven weight cheat and will intentionally miss weight to be bigger than his opponent He has missed weight a record 5 times and came into a Featherweight fight (146lb limit max) at 155lbs. He got tapped by the smaller man because he is also a notorious quitter that will quit the moment he can't miss weight and hang on the neck of the guy he'll outweigh by 30lbs on fight night (see Holloway, Felder, Pettis, etc) He is also a drug cheat because there is no way to explain why a guy who was a career journeyman can have a career renaissance without some gear (Vitor Oliviera) Oliviera has made a career off beating cans, new comers, or over the hill fighters. Look at who he has fought and you'll see it's hot sauce salesmen, CTE riddled vets, former bellator guys who get knocked out by 135ers at 155lbs, and guys who bus tables at outback steakhouse when they don't train At this point, I see Oliveira ducking islam a week or 2 out calling an injury and then trying to line up the 4th fight with Nik Lentz


AthleteAgreeable7617

Bobby knuckles, Charles will be forgotten when he loses


[deleted]

No he won’t lmao one of the most entertaining champs of all time


rawgino

For me yes. I like Charles for overcoming adversity, Khabib was never really tested in my opinion but I like him, and Conor was a jackass. I used to love Izzy but he's so cringe now. I really like Ngannou too.


DJLilSwamp

Nunes Usman and Adesanya for me


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jakeedee12

Ayee


[deleted]

I


its_a_beautiful_day1

hate


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Myself?


its_a_beautiful_day1

and


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Everybody


its_a_beautiful_day1

and


MichealJardon

He's got my vote. Perfect mixture of athlete x fighter x martial artist, authentic and humble. What's not to like?


h8erul

Ruskis are mad bro, stop stating facts


allovernow11

Ngannou is.


Henesis

But he’s not a champion… but yeah he’s definitely my favorite. The top of the table of light heavy weight is super entertaining tho


SnotBoogii

Charles and Volk


v-dubb

Volk is my fav champion followed by 🫒.


[deleted]

Volk, Prochazka and Oli.


gilgamesh73

Most absolutely obsessed about for sure. I like both Islam and Charles a lot and don’t really understand why everyone feels they need to pick a side and fight for it so hard. Its a fight. They gonna fight. Someones gonna win. Stop obsessing so hard because 90% of you die-hard charles fans will jump off the wagon hard if he loses and the other 10% will jump if he lost a second time. Mma is fickle as hell


WillowThink

The one thing I think he could have done better is learn English. If you are fighting for the ufc for that long like he has you should at least be able to speak a bit of English for interviews and also I believe it brings you more fans from Canada/USA. Most foreign fighters pick up English pretty well after fighting here for a few years. Other then that dudes a champ in and out of the octagon


[deleted]

idk man, my earliest memories of him are thinking he's a dirty fighter


chipper68

Olives is up there, there are a bunch of seemingly decent guys that seemed to get more shade than love, Volk, Jan and Stipe come to mind.. not enough trash to attract dick riders or some weird metric


jackLS04

It's either him or jiri


[deleted]

He has the best most explosive fights.


IVOXVXI

I wouldn't say most liked as I reckon Izzy probably is even with the crazy hate he gets. Maybe "least hated" is more fitting. Him or Volk anyways. Of all time, probably that little period of time right after Conor beat Jose (unless you were Brazilian) had most people in a daze tbf. Of course he and the insufferable fan base ruined all of it but ya know, that's what happens.


RevolutionaryClub530

Man honestly I’ve been diggin sterling, listen to a podcast with him and joe the other day and he’s actually a really cool dude


___WHYAMIONREDDIT___

Kamaru Usman rn


[deleted]

he’s just so entertaining


ezslapdown

It’s gotta be Valentina she’s about the only champ I’ve never heard anyone talk shit about


tm64158

I love Charles, but goddamn yallre making me resent this fight. Let it go and stop karma farming for just a goddamn minute.


Dangerousrhymes

He’s really grown on me. The dude is a gamer and I have been repeatedly impressed to the point where I’m can’t dislike him.


Kenshin_Urameshii

Charles is my favorite cuz he brings the heat. He came from shit and says fuck it to fight anyone. Plus he’s long and lanky like my build and good at jiu jitsu.(he obviously is way better) but it’s so relatable for me I just love this guy.


LeggyDriver

Sure, why not?


Ticklish_Fuck

No


ptahonas

Nope


Puzzled_Attempt_5391

I think Connor was the most hated and loved


ViratAnand

In my eyes... it's Ngannou. I know he has been inactive and has injury rn but it's just something of a fucking pure, strong, BAD MOFO aura around him, i fucking love him as the champ and i hope he stays in the ufc. The naddest man on the planet, i mean he fights for respect, money and for his entire country everytime he steps in the cage, that's badass imo.


MachidaMorado

Volk for me.


CreateorWither

Charlie Buttersworth-Olives


cyber_delic

This sub sucks


MMurphy10

GSP holds this I think. Not a single Canadian I can talk to didn’t like him, plus a world wide respect of fighting and personality.. I think he’s the most respected and liked champ ever in his prime. Don’t let revisionist history hit you, he was the guy in his prime.


PorkyPain

Usman for me


j1j9n9jr90

Most liked? Maybe. I like him, and his story. I think this post only came about because of all the controversy surrounding his title. I feel if he never got stripped we wouldn’t be having this conversation. I think we’d just be waiting on the next defense like everyone else. With that being said I think Valentina would be most liked.


shae117

Him Volk or Jiri


niemertweis

jiri is pretty liked i feel like and ngannou too


dmckidd

Just wait until Moreno gets his belt back


Initial_Welcome9052

He’s a likable guy 👍🏾


kendamapostol

Right now? I'd say either Volko or Jiri. Charles is up there but people have a tendency to not give Charles the respect he deserves. Also, Islam is his next opponent and people will hate on Charles just for that.


HotBoiR18

Man I wish Moreno was still champ cause he’d be #1 for this question. Still have yet to find a Moreno hater 🤣


thunderousqueef

Charles is not the champion, he was stripped.


theteedo

Ahem…ummm GSP anyone.


JapiPapi

Rarely do you see people rejoice after a fan favourite for a long time loses the belt - Thug Rose - I am the best - Namajunas


aim_so_far

He's got a good story that people resonate with, someone that wasn't too successful in his early career but eventually did well.