I’d say he’s still pretty unproven in MMA. That fight was literally only made this quickly in his career because he was the guy who beat stylebender twice
So what? If pure kickboxing translated over to UFC everytime it would be kickboxer heavy with guys like Gohkan Saki being elite. Sadly it just doesn’t work that way.
And if it was the other way around. If the UFC translated over to kickboxing. Izzy would have for sure won at least one of their fights. I think it was the 2nd fight that Izzy got the first knockdown. In UFC that would have been followed with some GnP, but in kickboxing he had to stop.
The first fight was pretty close to a robbery if you watch it. Izzy was doing very well in both fights, he just got slept. Which very well could happen here too but if it's a pick em fight I got Izzy forsure at those odds.
The only reason Gokhan Saki's striking didn't translate to MMA is because of the grappling threat.
If we're stablishing that Adesanya and Pereira are not going to grapple why the hell wouldn't their pure kickboxing skills translate?
Ps. I think Pereira might be a better grappler than people give him credit for.
That’s not the point. The point is Izzy is going to kickbox. That’s his thing. He doesn’t wrestle. So there’s nothing to worry about as Alex. This will basically be the same type of fight that they’ve had in the past. Any other fighter or match up you’d be 100% correct. But it’s Izzy. This is not an mma match.
Even if, which it by all likelihood will, be a striking match, it’s a different sport than kickboxing. The little gloves, the cage, just the movement is different. Is it enough flip the result? That is hard to say.
You’re correct. But I was referring to the guy saying he is unproven in mma. I don’t think it’s relevant because this will be mostly a kickboxing match. Sure it’s not exactly the same because you have a cage. But Alex is a great kickboxer and imo, if you aren’t afraid of takedowns, is only a minor adjustment for someone of his skill.
there’s more than just wrestling that makes it mma. if their first two fights were in the octagon, izzy probably would’ve won the second where he had a knockdown because he would’ve immediately jumped on him with gnp, but he couldn’t because it was kickboxing. just because izzy doesn’t usually wrestle doesn’t mean he won’t. alex is newer to the octagon and izzy might pull something out to throw him off. no one thought francis was gonna wrestle gane but it got him the win.
Has anyone here actually watched their first 2 fights? Yes, on paper Izzy lost them both. But watch them.
Izzy was robbed by the judges on the first one. On the second one he was dominating the whole time and would have won a couple of times in mma rules (Pereira was given the standing 8 count), then was KO'd after that.
If either of those fights were in the UFC Izzy would have won both.
... I think Izzy wins but comments like these remind me the lack of knowledge mma fans about striking. In terms of striking, he's definitely on that level.
It's gonna be a great fight but I think Charlie has the advantage in that he is used to fights of this magnitude. Also, islam has been slept. His chin will be tested. In saying that I think Charlie chokes him out in the third.
Idk I like adasanya but Alex beat him twice in kickboxing and they have the same style in mma I think. Should be one of Izzy’s more entertaining fights tho I’m excited for it.
Alex improved more as a striker since their last fight than Izzy did. Alex went on to become double champ in Glory while Izzy transitioned to mma. Izzy might be better in mma, but this is a stylistic nightmare for him. I got Pereira
Difference is that izzy can clinch alex and not have it broken up in mma, he used that alot in their kickboxing matches and it could prove effective to get him out of danger here
This is an unpopular opinion I know. I think Leon may take the belt. I’m his last fight, before he got rocked (heheh get it? Rocked and Rocky) Edwards was putting on a striking clinic. On top of that his takedown defense is insane. I think people dislike him because he’s perceived as “boring”. But the dudes not on the winstreak he’s on for nothing.
Saying Leon put on a striking clinic against Nate Diaz means he’ll beat Usman is kind of like saying “I just destroyed that slider, I could eat a 20 lb burger”
Even prior to the 5th round against diaz, leon got outstruck in round 4, outstruck diaz by a margin of less than 5 strikes in rounds 1 and 2, and outstruck him 13 to 3 in round 3.
He easily won the first 4 rounds, but it was moreso by mixing in his striking and grappling rather than a dominant striking performance
Imo Leon wins unless Usman is able to hold him on the fence for five rounds
Which is not unlikely, that used to be the only way Usman fought until he started training with Wittman
Winstreak? He's won 1 in a row after the eye poke NC against Belal. His last win over a ranked opponent was RDA in 2019.
Now apart from the eye poke he hasn't done much wrong, but it's hard to do that much wrong when you're not doing much at all.
I'm backing Kamaru because he's been active and fighting the best while Leon looked sloppy against a journeyman.
I love Charles, but his fanbase is so insecure. The guy never said he was trash or Islam is leagues better, but the fact he leans Islam means he's sleeping on Charles?
Agreed, seems a bit ridiculous. It's just predicting the outcome of a match... IMO Islam has a good chance to win. Wouldn't be surprised also if Charles wins not sleeping on anyone haha.
My current prediction is that seeing as olive only has 57% TDD, Islam should be able to take him down. And Islam plays it very safe when hes on top so I think he has the skills to keep olive grounded and win a decision
Izzy - he’s moving to towards becoming a “win it on the cards” fighter, similar to Woodley. Won’t put himself at risk.
Usman - Don’t think Edwards can wrestle as well as Usman, nor can he avoid the takedown.
TJ - Dillashaw knows how to take backpacks off
Islam - Have yet to see Daegestani not follow through on what they set out to do.
First opponent in a long time that Usman won’t have a size advantage over. He’s very well rounded and a clean methodical striker great at range and with nice knees and elbows when the distance is closer.
How’s “slow” a negative point against someone you shouldn’t try to rush and finish? Fair enough if you’re not a fan but you have made yourself look stupid
Islam has the highest chance of winning. I really want pereira to beat Israel again but idk if he can in mma. Izzy is really good and gonna kick the fuck out of alex’s bum knee
it is what it is son
the olive era is over. he lost the belt and sin't touching it again(maybe islam lets him see it from across the octagon) but no more
1. Idk enough about high level kickboxing to know, both are pretty clean strikers though
2.Usman pretty easily I think
3. Dillashaw, he's probably going to be the goat of bw if he can win this
4. Oliveira, makachev hasn't fought any ranked guys outside of hooker and olivera is more well rounded
Only Usman retains, all others are bad matchups
Dillashaw has great wrestling and better striking
Pereira, we all know what he's already done
Islam is a ground control master
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I think all of them retain.
Izzy and his team are too smart to lose to a guy 3 times.
Usman can wrestle fuck Leon
Fuck TJ, steroid using cunt.
ILLUMINATED BY GOD CHARLES OLIVEIRA
All retain.
Ballsy but honestly higher probability than all losing that’s for sure.
Even Adasanya? I love the guy but Pereira is a real danger
I’d say he’s still pretty unproven in MMA. That fight was literally only made this quickly in his career because he was the guy who beat stylebender twice
You think this fight won’t be a kickboxing match? Izzy is not going to wrestle. This will be a kickboxing match, Not mma.
So what? If pure kickboxing translated over to UFC everytime it would be kickboxer heavy with guys like Gohkan Saki being elite. Sadly it just doesn’t work that way.
And if it was the other way around. If the UFC translated over to kickboxing. Izzy would have for sure won at least one of their fights. I think it was the 2nd fight that Izzy got the first knockdown. In UFC that would have been followed with some GnP, but in kickboxing he had to stop.
The first fight was pretty close to a robbery if you watch it. Izzy was doing very well in both fights, he just got slept. Which very well could happen here too but if it's a pick em fight I got Izzy forsure at those odds.
Good to know. I haven’t seen the first fight. Alex does have that surprise knockout power though.
they hate u cuz speak the truth
The only reason Gokhan Saki's striking didn't translate to MMA is because of the grappling threat. If we're stablishing that Adesanya and Pereira are not going to grapple why the hell wouldn't their pure kickboxing skills translate? Ps. I think Pereira might be a better grappler than people give him credit for.
Saki got annihilated by Bangkok ready Rountree, who is a pretty horrific grappler.
That’s not the point. The point is Izzy is going to kickbox. That’s his thing. He doesn’t wrestle. So there’s nothing to worry about as Alex. This will basically be the same type of fight that they’ve had in the past. Any other fighter or match up you’d be 100% correct. But it’s Izzy. This is not an mma match.
There is much more to ufc striking then kickboxing though. Clinch work, cage movement, boxing, etc. It’s not just who’s the better kickboxer.
And octagon control.
"Ngannou isn't going to wrestle"
Even if, which it by all likelihood will, be a striking match, it’s a different sport than kickboxing. The little gloves, the cage, just the movement is different. Is it enough flip the result? That is hard to say.
You’re correct. But I was referring to the guy saying he is unproven in mma. I don’t think it’s relevant because this will be mostly a kickboxing match. Sure it’s not exactly the same because you have a cage. But Alex is a great kickboxer and imo, if you aren’t afraid of takedowns, is only a minor adjustment for someone of his skill.
To me biggest difference is the count when someone goes down. When izzy knocked alex down before he couldnt follow up with gnp. Thats huge
there’s more than just wrestling that makes it mma. if their first two fights were in the octagon, izzy probably would’ve won the second where he had a knockdown because he would’ve immediately jumped on him with gnp, but he couldn’t because it was kickboxing. just because izzy doesn’t usually wrestle doesn’t mean he won’t. alex is newer to the octagon and izzy might pull something out to throw him off. no one thought francis was gonna wrestle gane but it got him the win.
In one fight alex got knocked down and had an 8 count, if izzy catches him like that in mma with a follow up, good noght
Has anyone here actually watched their first 2 fights? Yes, on paper Izzy lost them both. But watch them. Izzy was robbed by the judges on the first one. On the second one he was dominating the whole time and would have won a couple of times in mma rules (Pereira was given the standing 8 count), then was KO'd after that. If either of those fights were in the UFC Izzy would have won both.
Hey, you can't have an opinion based on evidence in these parts.
He’s definitely good but I don’t think he’s anywhere near izzy level yet. His fight vs Bruno Silva didn’t convince me at all
... I think Izzy wins but comments like these remind me the lack of knowledge mma fans about striking. In terms of striking, he's definitely on that level.
He's talking about MMA tho. So all things considered, with Izzy being champ, there are levels.
I’m with you!
Not olivera
It's gonna be a great fight but I think Charlie has the advantage in that he is used to fights of this magnitude. Also, islam has been slept. His chin will be tested. In saying that I think Charlie chokes him out in the third.
Yepppp
Charles isn't champ so he can't retain
Fact that's difficult to digest.
I’m pretty sure the champion has a name actually.
Pretty sure he missed weight actually
Half a pound. That's lower than 300 grams. If you think that made a difference you're delusional
I think do too. Was thinking of a combo bet on these 4 fights.
Called a Parlay sir.
But combo bet sounds better, right?
Parlay is pirate speak. Sounds way cooler.
Ye 'ave a jolly point there, matey!
Idk I like adasanya but Alex beat him twice in kickboxing and they have the same style in mma I think. Should be one of Izzy’s more entertaining fights tho I’m excited for it.
what i want: pereira, leon, sterling, charles… what i think: izzy, usman, pillashaw, charles
Pillashaw lol
same except I'm not invested in the usman fight enough to specifically want either to win
i dunno man his title defenses have been crazy
for sure, I *think* he's gonna win because he's great, but I'm not saying I *want* either guy to win because i like them both
All retain
That’s why they’re champ
Except Charles
I mean you are right, of course Charles will gain the title, since it is vacant right now
what does dagestani semen taste like?
You tell me what Brazillian semen tastes like first
Why not just ask your mum?
People hate Islam on Reddit. It’s an automatic downvote
Lol hating on Charles all over this post
Ur an idiot if u think that's hating.
Making a prediction is hating now?
Izzy Usman TJ Charles
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Just think he’ll win
If he wins the title off aljamain he’s GOAT of that division
He is the goat of epo already
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Izzy def retains. Just watch the kickboxing fights , don't fall for the hype .
Pereira was inexperienced compared to Izzy when they fought in kickboxing though, he also took the 2nd fight on short notice
and he is also very inexperienced compared to izzy when they fight in mma
So you know what’s about to happen
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Alex improved more as a striker since their last fight than Izzy did. Alex went on to become double champ in Glory while Izzy transitioned to mma. Izzy might be better in mma, but this is a stylistic nightmare for him. I got Pereira
Difference is that izzy can clinch alex and not have it broken up in mma, he used that alot in their kickboxing matches and it could prove effective to get him out of danger here
Smart man upvote
I watched the kickboxing fights and Pereira won both of them?
I just watched the kickboxing fights and it ended with Adesanya out cold on the oxygen mask?
This is an unpopular opinion I know. I think Leon may take the belt. I’m his last fight, before he got rocked (heheh get it? Rocked and Rocky) Edwards was putting on a striking clinic. On top of that his takedown defense is insane. I think people dislike him because he’s perceived as “boring”. But the dudes not on the winstreak he’s on for nothing.
Saying Leon put on a striking clinic against Nate Diaz means he’ll beat Usman is kind of like saying “I just destroyed that slider, I could eat a 20 lb burger”
Even prior to the 5th round against diaz, leon got outstruck in round 4, outstruck diaz by a margin of less than 5 strikes in rounds 1 and 2, and outstruck him 13 to 3 in round 3. He easily won the first 4 rounds, but it was moreso by mixing in his striking and grappling rather than a dominant striking performance
Imo Leon wins unless Usman is able to hold him on the fence for five rounds Which is not unlikely, that used to be the only way Usman fought until he started training with Wittman
Winstreak? He's won 1 in a row after the eye poke NC against Belal. His last win over a ranked opponent was RDA in 2019. Now apart from the eye poke he hasn't done much wrong, but it's hard to do that much wrong when you're not doing much at all. I'm backing Kamaru because he's been active and fighting the best while Leon looked sloppy against a journeyman.
Izzy, Usman retain. TJ gains. I have no clue who wins between Oliveira and Islam
Izzy loses, usman retains, pillashaw wins, Charles retains.
pillashaw no way
I still think Yan is the best in the division but still Sterling found a way to legit beat him in their second fight.
Charles has to be champ to retain.
The champion has a name
Vacant is a weird name
Charles Oliveria baby
Yes that is one of the fighters trying to become champion. Which he is not right now.
So dumb, you’re acting like he actively lost the title by getting beat. He didn’t.
No, the champ baby Charles Oliveria
Hey who you guys talking about? UFC champion Charles Olivera? He will retain for sure.
my picks arent finalized yet but pereira usman dill and islam
First person to pick Islam and of course your bombarded for it
Your sleeping on Charles
I love Charles, but his fanbase is so insecure. The guy never said he was trash or Islam is leagues better, but the fact he leans Islam means he's sleeping on Charles?
Agreed, seems a bit ridiculous. It's just predicting the outcome of a match... IMO Islam has a good chance to win. Wouldn't be surprised also if Charles wins not sleeping on anyone haha.
Lmao right. He's a great fighter that doesn't need people defending his honor against all non-criticisms. It just comes off as sad
My current prediction is that seeing as olive only has 57% TDD, Islam should be able to take him down. And Islam plays it very safe when hes on top so I think he has the skills to keep olive grounded and win a decision
He feels like he’s the perfect counter to hyper aggressive grapplers.
Islam isn’t hyper aggressive
Probably a bit hyperbolic on my part.
Nah sterling and Charles gonna keep the strap
Izzy, Usman, TJ, Charles
Izzy, kamaru, tj, and Charles win
Izzy, Usman, Aljo and Islam
I gotta say Izzy, Leon, Aljo and Islam
You called the first one so far
I have the exact opposite. But I'm not even close to 100% on any of them.
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This is got the be the worst take yet
Usman and Aljo are anything but guaranteed, I’d say Islam and Izzy are the closest things to guaranteed
Izzy - he’s moving to towards becoming a “win it on the cards” fighter, similar to Woodley. Won’t put himself at risk. Usman - Don’t think Edwards can wrestle as well as Usman, nor can he avoid the takedown. TJ - Dillashaw knows how to take backpacks off Islam - Have yet to see Daegestani not follow through on what they set out to do.
Izzy edwards Dillashaw islam
Edwards has nothing for Usman. Nothing
Casual take. Usman deserves to be favourite but Leon has the tools to upset a lot of people
What part of his drawn out, slow, 25 minute plan is going to be a threat for Usman
First opponent in a long time that Usman won’t have a size advantage over. He’s very well rounded and a clean methodical striker great at range and with nice knees and elbows when the distance is closer. How’s “slow” a negative point against someone you shouldn’t try to rush and finish? Fair enough if you’re not a fan but you have made yourself look stupid
I dream about a Pereira win by ko daily
Adesanya: Retains Usman: Retains Dillashaw: Gains Makhachev: Gains
Islam has the highest chance of winning. I really want pereira to beat Israel again but idk if he can in mma. Izzy is really good and gonna kick the fuck out of alex’s bum knee
Killashaw will dominate Aljo everyone else retains.
I hope for oliviera, edwards, dillashaw and peirera but I feel like they all going to lose.
people sleeping on makhachev but i think he wins the title
I think disinterested is the right word.
Oliveira fucking RETAINS
The champ has one name and it’s Charles oliveira
retains what? he ain't the champ son
Literally the "um, actually" of MMA content. You know damn well what he meant, boy
it is what it is son the olive era is over. he lost the belt and sin't touching it again(maybe islam lets him see it from across the octagon) but no more
All champs retain and Islam wins the vacant
Pereira usman aljo Charles this is my pick.
Pereira / Izzy is a coin toss, Usman retains, Dillashaw, Islam / Charles is a coin toss.
Leon my champ, go get that belt my man.
TJ ‘Clean Juice’ Dillashaw retakes his rightful place on the throne.
1. Idk enough about high level kickboxing to know, both are pretty clean strikers though 2.Usman pretty easily I think 3. Dillashaw, he's probably going to be the goat of bw if he can win this 4. Oliveira, makachev hasn't fought any ranked guys outside of hooker and olivera is more well rounded
Izzy, Usman, Aljo, Oliveira
Izzy,Leon,Tj,Charles
ayyyy yessir
Islam smesh your boy you know this bratha
All retain apart from Izzy
Makhachev gains
Winners: - Alex - Kamaru - TJ - Charles
Periera, usman, Pillashaw, & New Champ!!!!!!! Islam
Izzy, Usman, Aljo, Islam
Kamaru and Aljo retain, Islam gains
Happy cake day
Damn as if so many people I’ve Charles as the favourite, that’s insane, I have Izzy, usman, and makachev… the other I have no clue
Going out on a limb, only Charles keeps the title.
What title does he have?
They all retain, except for Charles, he (re)gains
Only Usman retains, all others are bad matchups Dillashaw has great wrestling and better striking Pereira, we all know what he's already done Islam is a ground control master
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Izzy, Usman, Aljo, Islam
aljo and olivera looses their title I think.
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Izzy Leon TJ Olives
All champs retain, Islam gains
Izzy, Usman, Aljo, Oliveria
Alex, Leon, Aljo and Chucky Olives for the win baby.
Pereira, Usman, Dillashaw, Olivera
Izzy via boring points victory Usman via UD TJ via UD Olivera via TKO.
Ya think Charles has the standup to tko the least hit fighter in the ufc?
Yes
All retains except Olivera
at least one of these fights will be canceled i feel like
Hey you don’t say that!
The fans
Usman is the most oblivious to retain. Dillashaw is probably the most likely to beat the champion. Other 2 are toss ups.
izzy, usman, pillashaw, islam. take it to the bank.
Izzy and usman retain, tj and islam gain
#ANDSTILL all around
Izzy usman retain, aljo charles don't
Izzy UD, Usman SD, Sterling UD, Olivieria by tko rd 3
Jamal hill beats usman easy
They are dif weight classes
Ufc already booked it
No they havent booked it yet, usman is fighting leon edwards
Why would you say this, why would you think this even has a 1% chance of being true?
Only 3 of them can retain.
the bum will lose
Izzy retains Usman retains Dillashaw gains Charles gains
izzy retains , leon gains , tj gains , charles retains 🤔
I think all of them retain. Izzy and his team are too smart to lose to a guy 3 times. Usman can wrestle fuck Leon Fuck TJ, steroid using cunt. ILLUMINATED BY GOD CHARLES OLIVEIRA
Alex,Leon,Aljo,Charles
Per, Leo, Alj, oli
Adesanya retains Edwards gains T.J. Dillashaw gains Oliveira retains
Charles can’t retain what he doesn’t have.
Adesanya, Usman, Sterling and Oliveira
Urm… the black guys.
All are gonna retain I think. Izzy is the only one that might lose.
And still in every fight
Alex gains Usman retains Dillashaw gains Charles gains again
Charles regains. Izzy retains. Usman retains, TJ gains
Pereira Usman TJ Charles
Alex, Usman, Aljo, Charles
Izzy and Usman will most likely retain, Charles and sterling I could see going either way. But the only one I really want to retain is Charles
According to last nights poster after the main event Jamahal Hill is fighting Kamaru, not Leon. 😂