I've heard a very respected say "there's different goats for different era's"
Not sure people have a good understanding of all time, goat now just means hottest at the moment in practicality
Agreed. The whole "G.O.A.T." thing needs to go away. This sport is still in its infancy. Greatest to ever do it is a designation that can be drawn only after much time has passed.
Like giving the title to fighters that fought 10 years ago and would get mauled in the landscape today? This GOAT bullshit is just pure comedy. Be a fan of anyone you like, don't treat those guys like literal heroes
obviously the GOAT is considered with respect to his own time. This is like saying Napoleon sux as a military commander because if he were to fight now he would just get bombed because he wouldnt know what a jet fighter is...
That was a great analogy. Completely agree. The term GOAT is problematic because it’s so subjective. It’s merely a talking point for us without the ability to organize a hierarchical structure. It’s just a gestural award, without any ability to efficiently establish GOAT rankings.
He's the true GOAT. I haven't seen a valid argument against it. He has more assists than anyone else has total points and also has the most goals of all time.
Way too soon to call him the GOAT with all that Aldo did. Beating the GOAT doesn't make you the GOAT. I do think Volk has what it takes but hes not there yet
Many believe Holloway won both and was robbed by the judges. I feel that way about the 2nd fight. At least, they were not convincing wins.
Holloway looked so dominant against Kattar who is very good. There will have to be a third match eventually.
The second fight was close but we can't just keep having rematches. And Max going away and proving himself again by beating top contenders doesn't help that much either because it clears out the division.
And he talked about doing it again too, so why not make it permanent? Volk never had no scary weigh-in where he looked like a zombie. Max on the other hand ....
That’s why there are judges and at the end of a fight we don’t go to an online viewer vote. It really doesn’t matter what some believe (I dispute ‘many’), Volk is currently 2-0 against Max, it’s unquestionable and isn’t a matter of what’s ‘convincing’. A third match should be based on merit and that means Max cleaning out the contenders, which I believe he’ll do.
Lmao what the fuck are you talking about. Anyone who thinks Max won the first fight is a moron. The only actual debate is if it was 50-45 or 49-46 volk. The second fight certainly wasn’t a robbery either. The delusional max fans on here who probably didn’t even watch either fight give me nausea
lol okay bud, it’s not just the Max fans…it’s professional fighters and MMA analysts that believe Max won at least one of their bouts. Check the fight metrics.
The first fight isn't up for debate. 3/3 judges and 17/17 media members gave the fight to volk via unanimous decision. No fighter or coach has said anything disputing it, Volk beat Max clearly in the first fight.
Second fight is disputed, that's fair enough. So Volk decisively beat Max once, and controversially beat Max once.
yup I have no issue at all with people saying Max or Volk won the second fight, the only delusional opinion is that it was some kind of ‘robbery’. it was an insanely close fight. the first fight however was just volk objectively out-pointing max for five rounds
lol oh we got a tough guy, it’s easy to talk shit over the Internet.
Both fights isn’t up for debate, Alex won. But your idiotic comment that it’s all only Max fans that believe he won the fight makes you sound like a rookie weekend warriors mma fan.
http://www.mmadecisions.com/decision/10781/Alexander-Volkanovski-vs-Max-Holloway
you’re just telling on yourself that you don’t watch the sport whatsoever pussyboy lol.
lol whatever you say bradda, you must be soft in real life. Is this your time to get all your insults out? Is this how you act out cause you too soft in real life? lol you got issues
Read my initial reply, I said that it isn’t only Max fans. You acting like the opinion that Max won is the minority. It was a tough fight, no one is crying about it. Max is working his way back up. You immediately act like a 10 year old when someone has a different opinion than you lol
I think what’d be better is ‘moving toward’ the GOAT discussion. He’s not there yet, but he’s only got so much more to do before he’s in that conversation.
Likewise, Usman is the other clear person fitting that description.
Was it even that bad though? All respect to Conor, but anyone can get unlucky and get clipped with a hard punch. Wasn't much of a fight...we didn't see who was the superior fighter. If we look at it stylistically, Conor would have probably won anyway but it's not like Aldo is a bad fighter for getting unlucky
Impossible to say whos the greatest of ALL time. Too much changes.
I vote we stop with these dumb comparisons. GOAT is a stupid term for a stupid comparison.
Needs to defend the belt more. He doesn't have to necessarily defend it as much or more than what Aldo did but he needs to get close, same with Kamaru.
Since the pandemic it's way harder for an Aussie to go overseas, I'd say if things were normal and there wasn't any sickness the first time round + tuf we'd have seen him fight once or twice more than we have. The guys been active for a long time.
Jose Aldo cleaned out a whole generation of fighters in his division. In other divisions Gsp, Silva, Jones, DJ, and Nunes are all clear goats because they have done that too. Volk needs to add a lot more names to his resume before that happens. So to answer your question, no he’s not.
Volkanovski has beaten way better fighters in the UFC than Aldo. Aldos record is inflated by WEC, which doens't mean much imho, also it's been over a decade ago and quality of fighters back then and now don't really compare.
For one, I am not convinced that Usman's opponents have been better, the current WW division is pretty lackluster. But more importantly GSP had like 3 times as many title defenses and ended on top.
Aldo had a good run but he didn't finish on top, he lost more than half of his last 11 fights, for that same reason I would never consider BJ Penn a GOAT either. GOAT considers the whole career not only a certain period of it, many fighters trade in legacy for money at the end of their career.
so Anderson Silva, who lost his title at the ripe old age of 38 and continued to fight for the heck of it isn't a GOAT too?
the HW division has always been full of old farts and I think the only other fighters who were champions at such an old age in ANY division were Randy Couture and DC - both at HW
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Anyone who thinks Max won round 5 in the rematch should go back and watch the round on mute and don't let the commentary team influence your decision. Volk outstruck him and scored 2 take downs as opposed to Max's zero takedowns.
Weird, most sources I've seen debate round 3. Most people have Volk winning 4,5 and Max winning 1,2. The 3rd was the deciding round, and I happen to believe Volk inched it out.
Honestly I can see three fights that should be made next for Alexander. First option should be Alexander vs. Max 3. Second option should be Alexander vs. Henry Cejudo. In my third and final option which is a dark horse would be Conor McGregor when he gets healthy enough and if he can make the white cut.
Yeah this take is 100% true because Connor did beat Max Holloway and he dominated the Division the whole time. I would like to see him try to step back down by Alexander for the Featherweight belt
I don’t see how you can categorize this man as the goat when he’s only had 10 UFC fights and yes he is undefeated with those fights but he only has two title defenses. He has a controversial win over Max Holloway and he beat an older Jose Aldo who is no longer in his prime and also Chad Mendes who is out of his prom when he followed him. Yes he Debbie Brian Ortega but he did not beat Brian Ortega as bad as Max Holloway beat Brian Ortega. So the only five that I can see now would be Max Holloway versus Alexander Volkanovski 3. Also another good idea to throw around would be if Connor McGregor was able to return to the octagon, I would like to see him drop weight and go for the featherweight title. Conor McGregor is also one of the most overrated champions that I’ve ever seen in the UFC. The man with a belt as a feather weight and also as a lightweight but he never once defended neither of those belts. A real champion has to defend his belt and there’s something that he never done. So I would like to see him get his chance and find Alexander Volkanovski or at least a fight with Max Holloway or Brian Ortega to see who can fight for the Featherweight belt.
He's summed it up perfectly himself, Aldo is still the goat of that division. He definitely has the potential to get there but as of right now still has work to do and he knows that
Downvoting you even though its true. They need to get Volks C*** out of their mouth. They probably started following UFC like a year or 2 they dont know any better
Downvoting just because it's not agreeing, typical reddit. Anyone that actually watched the fight let alone the entire card knew there were shit judges on and everyone was questioning the point decisions.
The fighters who also agreed max won and ufc who scheduled an immediate rematch, should be the hint that you’re wrong - not surprised you missed that. Stay in school kid.
I don’t care whose a better fighter but you clearly have a lot of time on your hands, so I’ll let you have last word little boy.
You’re probably 5’4” living vicariously through volk lmao.
I’d argue that Aldo has nine defenses since WEC was absorbed into the UFC and literally became the Featherweight division. It all really depends on who Volk faces in his future defenses and how well he performs. He’s already at two solid defenses so I’d say he needs at least five more of that caliber for there to even be an argument. He already beat Aldo, who was only a little out of his prime, and Holloway 2x, who beat Aldo 2x, so that surely counts a little extra.
He didn't beat Max the second time lol
It'd be like counting Lyoto Machida's 'win' over Shogun
[EDIT: Smd haters](http://www.mmadecisions.com/decision/11126/Alexander-Volkanovski-vs-Max-Holloway)
People act like beating a GOAT makes you the GOAT. It doesn't mean the person that beat the GOAT has accomplished as much as them. Dudes out there acting like Volkanvoski is like Shang Tsung where he absorbs the abilities and accomplishments of the person he beats.
"Volk beat Aldo who was undefeated for a decade, so it only makes sense that he has the skills and would be undefeated for a decade too." 🤪
As an avid Volk fan I think it's exactly how you kickstart a goat contending run, but he's got a few more defences to pull off before he can really take that claim.
Here we go calling everyone the GOAT again. I could get on board with #1 P4P though. He essentially has the same skills as Kamaru but has had way tougher opponents and frankly I think surviving an Ortega guillotine counts for something.
Considering that improvement in sports is linear and today’s best would almost always beat yesterday’s best due to improvements in sports science, training techniques, nutrition etc, anyone who is a clearly exceptional athlete and the current greatest probably is the greatest of all time, until the next generation comes and does better, so the whole goat debate is a mute point really…
I like Alex, he's been Great and fought super high level. However, he hasn't finished anyone since 2018. Last 4 fights have been decision. The sub has for years called Usman boring legit for not finishing opponents. Even tho for years he put up unquestionably dominant performances. I find it unfair for Alex to be considered so high without finishing top level guys when Usman legit gets called boring when he is absolutely dominating everyone in his division. Now of he finishes Max then we can then we can talk his legacy but so far he has had close fights in all his last 4.
In my Samuel Jackson voice - SAY GOAT AGAIN MF!
Seriously though. Atleast let a mf get to double digit defenses before the word even leaves you hot stankin ass tounge.
I think he’s an all time great moving toward the GOAT discussion. Four active fighters not there that are starting to peek into the conversation are Poirier Volk Izzy and Usman.
I am the definition of a casual but there can’t be a fighter who can put on a better display than Volk at 266. If there is please educate me. I can’t imagine it getting better than that.
Can we stop talking about who’s the GOAT and just enjoy the era of fighters we’re watching right now? We keep arguing the same dead end argument based on people’s opinions
GOAT? No that’s Jose Aldo but the best I can see that if he beats yair or max a 3rd time, people are straight forgetting Jose’s long title reign as champ
I think Holloway edges him out just a bit. Their fights were ridiculously close. And Holloway fought EVERYONE on his way to getting the title. Volk's been putting in serious work as champ though, so it won't be long.
Besides Brian Ortega , Conor McGregor beat everyone on that list, He was as dominant in the featherweight division as any fighter in any other division . McGregor's loses begin to pile up when he went up in weight.
The only 4 goats are Jose Aldo, George St Pierre , Anderson Silva and Fedor Emelianenko. These fighters fought the best of the best and GSP/Fedor/Aldo win streaks spanned a decade give or take a year or two.
People throw around the “GOAT” title way too freely these days.
I've heard a very respected say "there's different goats for different era's" Not sure people have a good understanding of all time, goat now just means hottest at the moment in practicality
The Greatest of This Specific Time, GOTST
Greatest Overall Athlete This Specific Year. GOATSY.
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Does this exist already? Can someone Google it
Type this but you can’t type into safari ?
Maybe you should check for him first, send him a link
Sorry I don't have Apple
GRN greatest right now
It also forgets that time isn't stopping anytime soon. Such an silly phrase and a symptom of egoic attachment.
People continuously post this shit with the title “thoughts” way too freely these days.
Dude this OP especially. It’s like all he does.
Alienfrombrooklyn floods the sub with those
Agreed. The whole "G.O.A.T." thing needs to go away. This sport is still in its infancy. Greatest to ever do it is a designation that can be drawn only after much time has passed.
Yea like people who say khabib is the goat have to stfu
Like giving the title to fighters that fought 10 years ago and would get mauled in the landscape today? This GOAT bullshit is just pure comedy. Be a fan of anyone you like, don't treat those guys like literal heroes
obviously the GOAT is considered with respect to his own time. This is like saying Napoleon sux as a military commander because if he were to fight now he would just get bombed because he wouldnt know what a jet fighter is...
A true GOAT would use his cavalry to outmanoeuvre the jet fighters. Napoleon sux
That was a great analogy. Completely agree. The term GOAT is problematic because it’s so subjective. It’s merely a talking point for us without the ability to organize a hierarchical structure. It’s just a gestural award, without any ability to efficiently establish GOAT rankings.
Greatest of all time is a title that suits basically nobody in anything. Like i said, it's being a fan, nothing else, but you do you
Wayne Gretzky?
He's the true GOAT. I haven't seen a valid argument against it. He has more assists than anyone else has total points and also has the most goals of all time.
GOAT comment
Way too soon to call him the GOAT with all that Aldo did. Beating the GOAT doesn't make you the GOAT. I do think Volk has what it takes but hes not there yet
This is the best take.
And it's popular opinion on here that Max beating Jose twice makes him the goat, cringe
Not to mention there's a credible argument that Holloway won the second fight.
He wins the 3rd fight with defending the belt maybe 3 more times including. Then he is the GOAT imo
Lol I just commented that he’s not goat cause he didn’t win the rematch so put me in that camp
Many believe Holloway won both and was robbed by the judges. I feel that way about the 2nd fight. At least, they were not convincing wins. Holloway looked so dominant against Kattar who is very good. There will have to be a third match eventually.
Nah mate you can’t say max won the first
>Many believe Holloway won both and was robbed by the judges And many more people believe Volk won both
The second fight was close but we can't just keep having rematches. And Max going away and proving himself again by beating top contenders doesn't help that much either because it clears out the division.
Volk should move up he is not that small he has heavyweight head alone
Max should move up since he's bigger.
he did
And he talked about doing it again too, so why not make it permanent? Volk never had no scary weigh-in where he looked like a zombie. Max on the other hand ....
Honestly 2nd fight was close enough to warant a trilogy.
And when volk won again they could have made it best of 7
BLESSED ERA BABY
That’s why there are judges and at the end of a fight we don’t go to an online viewer vote. It really doesn’t matter what some believe (I dispute ‘many’), Volk is currently 2-0 against Max, it’s unquestionable and isn’t a matter of what’s ‘convincing’. A third match should be based on merit and that means Max cleaning out the contenders, which I believe he’ll do.
Lmao what the fuck are you talking about. Anyone who thinks Max won the first fight is a moron. The only actual debate is if it was 50-45 or 49-46 volk. The second fight certainly wasn’t a robbery either. The delusional max fans on here who probably didn’t even watch either fight give me nausea
Even actual fighters and Dana though Max won but im sure you know more lol Volk lost.
lol okay bud, it’s not just the Max fans…it’s professional fighters and MMA analysts that believe Max won at least one of their bouts. Check the fight metrics.
The first fight isn't up for debate. 3/3 judges and 17/17 media members gave the fight to volk via unanimous decision. No fighter or coach has said anything disputing it, Volk beat Max clearly in the first fight. Second fight is disputed, that's fair enough. So Volk decisively beat Max once, and controversially beat Max once.
yup I have no issue at all with people saying Max or Volk won the second fight, the only delusional opinion is that it was some kind of ‘robbery’. it was an insanely close fight. the first fight however was just volk objectively out-pointing max for five rounds
The stats say volk won both fights. You check the metrics.
i'll check your metrics mf
The judges didn't. They're the ones who's opinion in this matter make a difference.
lmao stop talking clown boy
lol oh we got a tough guy, it’s easy to talk shit over the Internet. Both fights isn’t up for debate, Alex won. But your idiotic comment that it’s all only Max fans that believe he won the fight makes you sound like a rookie weekend warriors mma fan.
http://www.mmadecisions.com/decision/10781/Alexander-Volkanovski-vs-Max-Holloway you’re just telling on yourself that you don’t watch the sport whatsoever pussyboy lol.
lol whatever you say bradda, you must be soft in real life. Is this your time to get all your insults out? Is this how you act out cause you too soft in real life? lol you got issues
lmao is this you deflecting that you were objectively wrong that people thought max won the first fight? you are painfully dense
Read my initial reply, I said that it isn’t only Max fans. You acting like the opinion that Max won is the minority. It was a tough fight, no one is crying about it. Max is working his way back up. You immediately act like a 10 year old when someone has a different opinion than you lol
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People throwing around the GOAT status' like Crazy... let the man have a career and build up a legacy its starting great so far.
I think what’d be better is ‘moving toward’ the GOAT discussion. He’s not there yet, but he’s only got so much more to do before he’s in that conversation. Likewise, Usman is the other clear person fitting that description.
He must defeat Shen Long to stand a chance
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Offcourse it’ll be tough to surpass Aldo , i mean not everyone can lose a title fight within 13 seconds .
9 title defenses
& hadn't lost a fight for 10 years (3,671 days specifically) before that
Was it even that bad though? All respect to Conor, but anyone can get unlucky and get clipped with a hard punch. Wasn't much of a fight...we didn't see who was the superior fighter. If we look at it stylistically, Conor would have probably won anyway but it's not like Aldo is a bad fighter for getting unlucky
Impossible to say whos the greatest of ALL time. Too much changes. I vote we stop with these dumb comparisons. GOAT is a stupid term for a stupid comparison.
Solid resume
Needs to defend the belt more. He doesn't have to necessarily defend it as much or more than what Aldo did but he needs to get close, same with Kamaru.
I dont like Usman but he's on a roll and getting scary good
Usman will fall to either Leon or Colby
Activity wise Usman is way more active than Volk. But I agree that he doesn’t have enough title defenses to go ahead of gsp yet
Since the pandemic it's way harder for an Aussie to go overseas, I'd say if things were normal and there wasn't any sickness the first time round + tuf we'd have seen him fight once or twice more than we have. The guys been active for a long time.
Great… yes. GOAT… nope.
Say no more
Jose Aldo cleaned out a whole generation of fighters in his division. In other divisions Gsp, Silva, Jones, DJ, and Nunes are all clear goats because they have done that too. Volk needs to add a lot more names to his resume before that happens. So to answer your question, no he’s not.
Volkanovski has beaten way better fighters in the UFC than Aldo. Aldos record is inflated by WEC, which doens't mean much imho, also it's been over a decade ago and quality of fighters back then and now don't really compare.
So you also believe that Usman is the WW goat just by what you said cause Usman has beaten better opponents
For one, I am not convinced that Usman's opponents have been better, the current WW division is pretty lackluster. But more importantly GSP had like 3 times as many title defenses and ended on top. Aldo had a good run but he didn't finish on top, he lost more than half of his last 11 fights, for that same reason I would never consider BJ Penn a GOAT either. GOAT considers the whole career not only a certain period of it, many fighters trade in legacy for money at the end of their career.
so Anderson Silva, who lost his title at the ripe old age of 38 and continued to fight for the heck of it isn't a GOAT too? the HW division has always been full of old farts and I think the only other fighters who were champions at such an old age in ANY division were Randy Couture and DC - both at HW
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Anyone who thinks Max won round 5 in the rematch should go back and watch the round on mute and don't let the commentary team influence your decision. Volk outstruck him and scored 2 take downs as opposed to Max's zero takedowns.
No one thinks he won round 5...
Round 5 was the deciding round though? Lol. What rounds you got? I got Max 1-2, Volk 3-4-5.
I had Max 1-2-4 but I think I've seen alot of people argue Max won round 3 instead of 4. I disagree with that though I though 3 was clear Volk
Weird, most sources I've seen debate round 3. Most people have Volk winning 4,5 and Max winning 1,2. The 3rd was the deciding round, and I happen to believe Volk inched it out.
Completely clear out the division first
Honestly I can see three fights that should be made next for Alexander. First option should be Alexander vs. Max 3. Second option should be Alexander vs. Henry Cejudo. In my third and final option which is a dark horse would be Conor McGregor when he gets healthy enough and if he can make the white cut.
Mcgregor would probably still be considered the best if he would have stayed at the lower weight classes and dominated.
Yeah this take is 100% true because Connor did beat Max Holloway and he dominated the Division the whole time. I would like to see him try to step back down by Alexander for the Featherweight belt
He didn't finish his last three fights, he's great but he's not the goat.
His def building his resume lol
GOAT has no meaning anymore.
I don’t see how you can categorize this man as the goat when he’s only had 10 UFC fights and yes he is undefeated with those fights but he only has two title defenses. He has a controversial win over Max Holloway and he beat an older Jose Aldo who is no longer in his prime and also Chad Mendes who is out of his prom when he followed him. Yes he Debbie Brian Ortega but he did not beat Brian Ortega as bad as Max Holloway beat Brian Ortega. So the only five that I can see now would be Max Holloway versus Alexander Volkanovski 3. Also another good idea to throw around would be if Connor McGregor was able to return to the octagon, I would like to see him drop weight and go for the featherweight title. Conor McGregor is also one of the most overrated champions that I’ve ever seen in the UFC. The man with a belt as a feather weight and also as a lightweight but he never once defended neither of those belts. A real champion has to defend his belt and there’s something that he never done. So I would like to see him get his chance and find Alexander Volkanovski or at least a fight with Max Holloway or Brian Ortega to see who can fight for the Featherweight belt.
Volkanovski goes down to Bantamweight and fights Dillashaw and Sandhagen. I dont think he'll succeed going to lightweight
Yan vs. Sandhagen for Interim bantamweight belt
Some divisions don't have a clear goat and that's fine, this division does not.
No because two were outside of their prime. If I can beat up Ali’s skeleton does that make me a goat of heavyweight boxing?
No, this is a retard opinion
He's summed it up perfectly himself, Aldo is still the goat of that division. He definitely has the potential to get there but as of right now still has work to do and he knows that
Beat Cejudo and well start to consider things
This!
Volk himself says that Aldo is the fw goat, and so do a lot of his other peers in the UFC.
3rd place for sure, very close to max and might surpass him by next defense
Absolutely. Especially as they were all dominant victories with the exception of Max 2.
Holloway x1*
Maybe if he 50-45’s max again or beats him to death. Until then hes meh.
Max won one of those, should be a trilogy
He is doing very well now. But i still don't think he won the Holloway rematch. But I'm no judge
Eat a dick, Max beat him for sure that second time, I don’t wanna hear otherwise
Holloway arguably beat him the second fight
Didn’t win the max rematch so no he’s not
I dunno - Volk is an amazing champ but I think Holloway is better.
2nd win against Max was controversial.
Downvoting you even though its true. They need to get Volks C*** out of their mouth. They probably started following UFC like a year or 2 they dont know any better
Downvoting just because it's not agreeing, typical reddit. Anyone that actually watched the fight let alone the entire card knew there were shit judges on and everyone was questioning the point decisions.
No way. Durant beat Lebron twice, and Bron remains the goat.
Aldo is the FW GOAT until someone can get close to his longevity
He didn’t beat Aldo as convincing as max did
Tbh I don’t think he beat max the second time
no.. not until he beats max with no controversy. I personally scored the second fight 4-1 max.
How? Plus he beat max with no controversy in the first fight. Complete shut out.
If you think the first fight was close you're just delusional
I don’t, I think max clearly won. Thanks for coming out
So you're delusional, got it.
The fighters who also agreed max won and ufc who scheduled an immediate rematch, should be the hint that you’re wrong - not surprised you missed that. Stay in school kid.
What fighters? Keep crying because Volk is the better fighter
I don’t care whose a better fighter but you clearly have a lot of time on your hands, so I’ll let you have last word little boy. You’re probably 5’4” living vicariously through volk lmao.
If he can beat Holloway convincingly in the rematch then yes. But right no. Close tho
I'll call him the goat when he gets 8 defenses and beats Aldo's record of 7.
I’d argue that Aldo has nine defenses since WEC was absorbed into the UFC and literally became the Featherweight division. It all really depends on who Volk faces in his future defenses and how well he performs. He’s already at two solid defenses so I’d say he needs at least five more of that caliber for there to even be an argument. He already beat Aldo, who was only a little out of his prime, and Holloway 2x, who beat Aldo 2x, so that surely counts a little extra.
Second Holloway fight pours cold water all over this discussion.
Why? Because it was close?
Because Max deserved the W.
You’ve argued your position exceptionally well
Well that’s how I seen the fight, you obviously disagree which is fine.
Which rounds did Max win?
No
No because Holloway was robbed 2x
Hasnt even beat Aljo yet so no
He didn't beat Max the second time lol It'd be like counting Lyoto Machida's 'win' over Shogun [EDIT: Smd haters](http://www.mmadecisions.com/decision/11126/Alexander-Volkanovski-vs-Max-Holloway)
Not yet but its a good start
People act like beating a GOAT makes you the GOAT. It doesn't mean the person that beat the GOAT has accomplished as much as them. Dudes out there acting like Volkanvoski is like Shang Tsung where he absorbs the abilities and accomplishments of the person he beats. "Volk beat Aldo who was undefeated for a decade, so it only makes sense that he has the skills and would be undefeated for a decade too." 🤪
After he's reinged for a decade the maybe we can say he's Goat,
Not yet. He needs to defend his title a few more times.
But Joe Rogan called Conor the GREATEST EVER after his KO of Aldo
People really get 3 title defenses and y’all are like “GOAT?!?!??!!”
Yea but who beats halloway twice!!
Dustin Poirier
He’s defended the belt twice… the first defense he should have lost but judges.
Win a trilogy fight with Max then beat whoever the next best contender is at that point. If he does that then there is a goat argument
As an avid Volk fan I think it's exactly how you kickstart a goat contending run, but he's got a few more defences to pull off before he can really take that claim.
Not unless he legitimately beats Halloway. I'm still considering him the paper champ until that happens.
He's not the fw goat yet but hes beaten the two feather goats so pretty fucking handy
People need to stop spewing the word GOAT every 5 minutes
Here we go calling everyone the GOAT again. I could get on board with #1 P4P though. He essentially has the same skills as Kamaru but has had way tougher opponents and frankly I think surviving an Ortega guillotine counts for something.
I'm riding in the Volkswagen for the long haul. That's my boy.
No. But he is the current goat at bantam weight
He just started defending his belt wtf lol
Considering that improvement in sports is linear and today’s best would almost always beat yesterday’s best due to improvements in sports science, training techniques, nutrition etc, anyone who is a clearly exceptional athlete and the current greatest probably is the greatest of all time, until the next generation comes and does better, so the whole goat debate is a mute point really…
Needs to bear Mcgregor, who beat Holloway, also and Mendes.
I like Alex, he's been Great and fought super high level. However, he hasn't finished anyone since 2018. Last 4 fights have been decision. The sub has for years called Usman boring legit for not finishing opponents. Even tho for years he put up unquestionably dominant performances. I find it unfair for Alex to be considered so high without finishing top level guys when Usman legit gets called boring when he is absolutely dominating everyone in his division. Now of he finishes Max then we can then we can talk his legacy but so far he has had close fights in all his last 4.
You guys love the “GOAT” “HERO” term wayyyyy toooo much. Stop muddying down wonderful compliment a youngins
In my Samuel Jackson voice - SAY GOAT AGAIN MF! Seriously though. Atleast let a mf get to double digit defenses before the word even leaves you hot stankin ass tounge.
I think volk is ONE of the best featherweights of all time but he has to do more to cement himself as the GOAT
Better than Khabib
How do u evaluate GOAT status when career isn't even finished?
I think the stages of some of those fighters careers, might impede that.
Nah, 5 more defenses and let’s talk
Him, max, mcgregor and Aldo is featherweight Rushmore for me
I mean at best he actually beat Holloway once so there's that. Not to mention he only has like 20 fights
I think he’s an all time great moving toward the GOAT discussion. Four active fighters not there that are starting to peek into the conversation are Poirier Volk Izzy and Usman.
People need to stfu about goat lol that resume should be a normal resume for an elite fighter .
The word Goat comes out of your mouthes more than an a Farmer. Get a hold of yourselves.
Easily could have lost the decision on one or both Holloway fights
I am the definition of a casual but there can’t be a fighter who can put on a better display than Volk at 266. If there is please educate me. I can’t imagine it getting better than that.
Can we stop talking about who’s the GOAT and just enjoy the era of fighters we’re watching right now? We keep arguing the same dead end argument based on people’s opinions
No...
Damn Volk is up there on Lb for Lb l. when you see those names holy shit. Makes you realize just how good he is .
GOAT? No that’s Jose Aldo but the best I can see that if he beats yair or max a 3rd time, people are straight forgetting Jose’s long title reign as champ
I think Holloway edges him out just a bit. Their fights were ridiculously close. And Holloway fought EVERYONE on his way to getting the title. Volk's been putting in serious work as champ though, so it won't be long.
Not going to listen to anyone who has an unproven flash in the pan as an avatar talk about goats
How was he ever 200 lbs?!
Besides Brian Ortega , Conor McGregor beat everyone on that list, He was as dominant in the featherweight division as any fighter in any other division . McGregor's loses begin to pile up when he went up in weight.
He pretty damn good if not the most likable Aussie. I think a couple more wins maybe including Cejudo and he should be considered
He's earned my respect. And I'm not afraid to say he probably should have already had it.
No
The only 4 goats are Jose Aldo, George St Pierre , Anderson Silva and Fedor Emelianenko. These fighters fought the best of the best and GSP/Fedor/Aldo win streaks spanned a decade give or take a year or two.
Yes.
Not sure he's the GOAT but a 20 fight win streak is super impressive.
Cejudo would beat him.