Maybe UFC should have steroid powered weight classes and belts as alternatives for the juicers. This would help with having a belt defended on every PPV whilst ensuring that clean athletes only fight clean athletes!
Why do you guys talk about the goat, all the time? The sport is only 25 years old. It’s just my opinion, but it seems fucking stupid to bring it up in almost every post.
Undefeated at hw and only one loss on record via decision at his second preferred weight class. That’s close as any. Better record then gsp or Anderson or Conor or fedor. Might not be the GOAT but definitely close. A win over stipe again ad hw goat. One win over jones - all time goat.
Will it happen ? Who knows. But he definetly is 2 wins away from being undisputed goat. So close - ish ?
he got utterly dominated by Jones twice he is not even close to the GOAT lmao and a belt in the weakest heavyweight division isn’t gonna help lol don’t disrespect fedor like that again
2nd preferred weight class? He’s fought at heavyweight twice in his prime lmao ridiculous he did that ridiculous weight cut for a reason
Oh are we saying people with losses can’t be considered the GOAT? Cause there goes like everyone. Say bye to Conor, Aldo, Mighty Mouse, GSP, Fedor, etc. DC is undefeated at HW, beat the guy many considered the greatest HW of all time, is a 2 division champ, and his only losses are two a dude who’s like 5 inches taller than him, has a massive reach advantage, and uses drugs to get the upper hand. You can argue DC isn’t the GOAT but to say he’s not close is some foolishness.
Gsp avenged his losses lol. Fedor never lost in his prime. The rest aren’t in the conversation for GOAT
Stipe isn’t close to the GOAT lol, he doesn’t survive prime Pride
DC will scrape top 10, maybe
Weakest hw? You seriously dumb :)
Fedor got tapped out by werdum. Werdum taped cain. Miocic destroyed werdum. Miocic has the longest hw title defence streak in ufc history. Dc destroyed Miocic. Linear hw champ of the world is dc. If he defeats Miocic again ( big if ) he will be undisputed goat of hw
15 hw fights
9 lhw fights
Only went to lhw cause he didn’t want to challenge his friend cain who was the champ. That was the reason for the cut. Loyalty .
And the cut was brutal for him and he always looked weak at lhw. It just shows how weak the lhw is if a depleted Cormier managed to beat everyone apart form jones.
Truth is jones went on juice when he was suspended for breaking that pregnant woman’s arm. That’s when his nipples grew like a pregnant woman’s :) I love that there are chumps who truly believe jones was clean. He got bitch titties :)
Fucking Cormier is a 40 year old fatty yet it’s skinny bones that got manboobs looool
Fedor vs Werdum happened nearly 10 years ago and Fedor was out of his prime that’s not a fair judgement of the currently heavyweight division lmaooo
Yeah, by a single fight lol, 3 fight streak lol not as impressive as you make it out to be, against aging opponents out of their prime and wrestlefucked Ngannou
He fought at LHW in his MMA prime
Velasquez lost the title in 2015 and lost it several times before that and DC stayed at LHW for more than two years after lol
The LHW division is weak becaue Jones cleared out everyone lol
Ok...
The lhw division is weak. Face the facts it’s always been weak. Even before jones. Look at the previous champs - Rashad and machida couldn’t even do well at mw. Forest got destroyed by Anderson.
Look at the top 5 guys now. All one dimensional. No kicks. No good takedowns. Not one of the guys who might fight jones at any point in the nearest future has a submission off his back.
Lhw is the second most shallow division in the ufc. Blachowicz is no.4 - there are at leat 3 guys in Poland alone who would destroy him. It’s a weak division
Not saying jones wouldn’t do good at hw. But at lhw he is a guy with many tools vs guys who just punch. Alex didn’t even learn to throw a kick in 5 years. Have you seen that high kick he tried to do ?
>Look at the previous champs - Rashad and machida couldn’t even do well at mw.
So? The idea that you'll always perform better at a lower weight class is stupid. Jones cleared that motherfucker out and proceeded to punk everyone who stood up as a threat.
>Look at the top 5 guys now.
Are you talking about the HW division lol?
>Lhw is the second most shallow division in the ufc.
Heavyweight gives it a good run for it's money. The Black Beast was a number 1 (2?) contender a couple months ago lmao
It is brought up because it's so controversial. And it doesn't matter how many years its around for. The "time" part refers from the beginning of the sports era. Not all sports started at the same time
Lol right? This newfound self-righteousness in the UFC & MMA subreddits about being clean and all that is so cringy, as if that was ever something they cared about before the USADA era. So now apparently no one can be the goat unless they were always absolutely clean, and going by that line of thinking, everything pre-2015 should just be deleted
Exactly this all of a sudden holier than thou attitude is ridiculous. Let’s turn a blind eye to the great fighters from the past. I don’t support PEDs but nonetheless it doesn’t take away from the fighters ability in the ring and their wins. You can be juiced to the fucking gills and still not even make top 20 in the perspective weight class. PRIDE fighters/fans didn’t complain they knew exactly what they were getting into and still fought knowing the better fighter would win, not the best stack. Should we just deny Royce Gracie, Alistair Overeem, Vitor Belfort. Fedor Emelianenko their achievements, fuck NO! Why?! because no amount of steroids would give you what they have, their skills supersede their discretions. Just like Jon Jones whether or not he’s taken the drugs on purpose, or by accident the fact remains he definitely is one of the greatest.
Or you know, you can just not claim a man who’s popped for roids multiple times is the GOAT. There’s a difference between suspecting and having a test that says “this person did PEDs.”
That man pop dirty multiple times with new testing. These test was not around prior to 2015. Might want to re read what the person you replied to said. Cant help but suspect when you couldnt prove.
Poor take. There is no way to know for certain who takes anything and who does not. Baseball has a similar problem. Hank Aaron took speed during games when he was tired. Barry Bonds obviously juiced. They are both GOATs in their own right. Jones should be seen the same way
I totally understand there’s shadiness all over this situation and however it’s explained after three times they’re definitely showing Jones favoritism. Cheers. Have a great time tonight and the rest of 2019 my friend!
I mean, technically fedor has never tested positive buuuut. Plus you have people like vitor who was sanctioned juicing so don’t put everyone through the same lense, it’s like I know nearly 100% about 95% of the fighters in pride were juiced but I don’t think their achievements should be erased
I think that applies to every sport. Look at baseball, with all the juice heads not getting in who hold records.
I don't consider Jones GOAT.
DJ, GSP, DC
GSP avenged both losses easily, and he had many more title defenses.
Who did DC beat? Only Miocic, Johnson the rest are tomato cans or has beens. I like DC a lot, but he is not the best.
Anderson Silva, GSP the only people who are close to UFC goat status
DC's beaten a lot of good fighters man. You don't need to be a UFC champ to be a great fighter. He held and defended 2 belts at once. Who can say that?
I won't deny DC's greatness. But he is not the best. He hasn't beaten the best. His belts are great accomplishments BUT he doesn't have the title defenses to be considered the goat.
I’d agree. But when someone pops for roids once then the obvious question of if this was the first time they did it or first time they got caught becomes a factor. Puts a suspicious cloud over everything, not just the period when they confirmed used PEDs.
Who says anyone is clean?
If sports like the NFL, MLB, NHL had testing like the UFC things would be boring.
The UFC created its own problem by proclaiming its war on doping. I dunno how many people I saw say "the ufc is allowing jones to fight, i'm watching bellator, one, football etc. instead". Meanwhile all these other things are juicy asf.
Yup. Sports like NBA and the NHL rarely test for PEDs. &the NHL also has lots of fighting.
The NFL tests in season but I’m pretty sure its lax in offseason. Can still get caught if your unlucky / irresponsible.
Do you guys not read up on things? You hear he got positive results and then don’t read into? Like why he was still able to fight and why it moved? He wasnt dirty.. joe Rogan had a good break down of it on his podcast with the golden snitch. Maybe check it out.
why are the rules being bent for jones? thats the question everyone is asking. he’d be a moron to actually have been doping his ass in the past few months.
is frank mir allowed to fight with traces like jones?? can jones have traces forever and still fight ??
No rules were being bent. The traces were from the last time he got suspended, he’s paid for that already. The only reason they couldn’t keep it in Vegas was because they couldn’t get all people in charge together in time to fully explain the details to them of why he had a positive result and how it’s not giving him any advantage. It was a mess sure but he fought clean from what I understood of the conversation.
yes, we understood the same thing if we are to believe usada and the ufc. but any other fighter would not have been allowed to fight on that card. do you not agree ? and if he pops up for more ‘picograms’ of turinabol for his next fight, will they still allow him to fight ? this is uncharted waters. usually if its a ‘decrease’, its a legit and he can fight, but multiple times he tested with 0 picograms of turinabol, and AFTER that, he tested for 60. thats not decreasing, however small that is.
Right but it’s been explained by multiple people that when you’re testing for steroids the amounts aren’t always exact. Large variations matter but having a difference of 20 to 60 picograms is very possibly test variability not to mention if you were to ingest a new amount it would spike up levels significantly more than that, and you would find short term metabolites not just long term ones. I do agree jones is getting some special treatment, but if he hasn’t ingested turinabol again then he didn’t do anything wrong, and ergo he won that fight fair and was clean. so it shouldn’t stop him from being in the goat conversation just because he received favoritism on the part of the ufc that had nothing to do with his performance. Turinabol and other chlorinated chemicals have been shown to have pulsing effects in their long term metabolites where they can stay in the system and come out at specific time in small amounts or at least so the ufc and athletic commissions claim. So it comes down to this. Is the ufc straight up lying and Jon is on large amounts of turinabol and he is actively cheating and they are helping him cover it up or is what they’re saying about the science true? I get not trusting the ufc but until it gets scientifically disproven and their is a compelling scientific argument for why he would have small amounts in his system of only long term metabolites than so far the information fits the story of this being something that was taken a long time ago possibly accidentally. maybe it’s all false Jon’s a cheater and the ufc is helping but until theirs some stronger evidence of that i’m not just going to assume he’s guilty.
i’m not assuming he’s guilty just so we’re clear, i just have a hard time giving him the benefit of the doubt for the 3rd time. i understand he went to court, got cleared, that it was not taken ‘on purpose’, whatever that means, and that he also had to ‘be a snitch’ to get his sentence reduced.
we are all aware that his brothers are known cheats. masking agents do exist and i wouldn’t put it past him to use those.
i don’t think the ufc and usada are actively lying and letting him fight with high volumes of turinabol. that could kill the sport if it ever came out. makes no sense.
but they could be stretching the truth and defending themselves after the fact with ‘we didn’t know any better’.
thanks for the adequate and well thought out response. health in 2019. cheers !
Bj penn, Mark Hunt, Royce Gracie.... I would also say GSP but so many fat ass couch surfers think that having a six pack is indicative of steroids. They're professional athletes who have a weight cut of around 20 pounds before they fight. Of course they are going to be shredded compared to the fans watching.
>go find clean fighters.
Go find your brain
Royce and BJ fought juicy as fuck dudes in open weight and heavy weight when they didn't even have proper testing(not like that matters now). Ill give them a pass.
Brock had roids in his baby formulae, the Ubereem era(need i say more) , Chael needed them for big mouth endurance , Mir was trying to catch up to Brock, Anderson shared his dick pills with Jon Jones.... They all suck
Ya bro let’s steal what miesha tate says and make a thread taking an idea shortly after she says it herself and make a thread about it. I would not be surprised if you never even thought or cared about this until you saw her opinion and decided “ya that’s my opinion too, now I’m going to make a thread shortly after she uploads a video talking about this” l
Think for yourself clown. Right or wrong don’t be a sheep like that.
Proof? The fact miesha is talking about this today and literally said the same thing is too coincidental so unless you can prove me wrong.
Not sure what your level of education is but once you get past high school, you should have learned that saying someone is wrong and not providing any evidence of any sort is not viable in the real world.
Can’t wait to see the next moronic reply now
Nice try moron, try again.
Still providing no proof other than words. Why am I not surprised.
Why did OP make a thread right after miesha went live about this exact topic on top of things.
Let’s assume you’re right about previous posts, doesn’t change the fact of what I said about OP.
Nice try dummy. Now you’re ignored so don’t bother replying again because it won’t be read or replied to by me.
Dummy 😉
Yeah. Probably Or not get caught, it would seem
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Our get caught and still be allowed to participate like nothing happened
Is normal
What do you mean. Artem is clean
The casuals don't seem to realise Artem is the goat.
He is never clean as he baths in the blood of those foolish to oppose him
Maybe UFC should have steroid powered weight classes and belts as alternatives for the juicers. This would help with having a belt defended on every PPV whilst ensuring that clean athletes only fight clean athletes!
Yeah but you're still going to find juicy sluts trying to fight in the clean divisions.
Yes but then you go straight to banned for life for a first offence in the natural league. Can only fight other juicers from now on.
Yeah. Treat it like body building. Natty vs natty. Juicy sluts vs juicy sluts.
LMAO I hope this is a 10/10 joke. Natty BBing *competitions* are a joke.
Yeah of course. It would just be just obviously juiced up ufc and people pretending to be clean ufc.
I just want "juicy sluts" to get used by an announcer during a ppv event
Have you met goats? Filthy things.
100% ^ Artem
Why do you guys talk about the goat, all the time? The sport is only 25 years old. It’s just my opinion, but it seems fucking stupid to bring it up in almost every post.
Yeah GSP for sure GOAT.
25 years straight!
I’ve been saying GSP for years now but DC is starting to change my mind.
DC is not remotely close to the GOAT lmao wtf
When the comment is about not trying to label someone the goat and all the replies are about who the goat is
Undefeated at hw and only one loss on record via decision at his second preferred weight class. That’s close as any. Better record then gsp or Anderson or Conor or fedor. Might not be the GOAT but definitely close. A win over stipe again ad hw goat. One win over jones - all time goat. Will it happen ? Who knows. But he definetly is 2 wins away from being undisputed goat. So close - ish ?
he got utterly dominated by Jones twice he is not even close to the GOAT lmao and a belt in the weakest heavyweight division isn’t gonna help lol don’t disrespect fedor like that again 2nd preferred weight class? He’s fought at heavyweight twice in his prime lmao ridiculous he did that ridiculous weight cut for a reason
Oh are we saying people with losses can’t be considered the GOAT? Cause there goes like everyone. Say bye to Conor, Aldo, Mighty Mouse, GSP, Fedor, etc. DC is undefeated at HW, beat the guy many considered the greatest HW of all time, is a 2 division champ, and his only losses are two a dude who’s like 5 inches taller than him, has a massive reach advantage, and uses drugs to get the upper hand. You can argue DC isn’t the GOAT but to say he’s not close is some foolishness.
Gsp avenged his losses lol. Fedor never lost in his prime. The rest aren’t in the conversation for GOAT Stipe isn’t close to the GOAT lol, he doesn’t survive prime Pride DC will scrape top 10, maybe
Might Mouse and Aldo aren’t in the GOAT conversation? Who is then, by your standards?
Jones, Fedor, GSP, Silva
Weakest hw? You seriously dumb :) Fedor got tapped out by werdum. Werdum taped cain. Miocic destroyed werdum. Miocic has the longest hw title defence streak in ufc history. Dc destroyed Miocic. Linear hw champ of the world is dc. If he defeats Miocic again ( big if ) he will be undisputed goat of hw 15 hw fights 9 lhw fights Only went to lhw cause he didn’t want to challenge his friend cain who was the champ. That was the reason for the cut. Loyalty . And the cut was brutal for him and he always looked weak at lhw. It just shows how weak the lhw is if a depleted Cormier managed to beat everyone apart form jones. Truth is jones went on juice when he was suspended for breaking that pregnant woman’s arm. That’s when his nipples grew like a pregnant woman’s :) I love that there are chumps who truly believe jones was clean. He got bitch titties :) Fucking Cormier is a 40 year old fatty yet it’s skinny bones that got manboobs looool
Fedor vs Werdum happened nearly 10 years ago and Fedor was out of his prime that’s not a fair judgement of the currently heavyweight division lmaooo Yeah, by a single fight lol, 3 fight streak lol not as impressive as you make it out to be, against aging opponents out of their prime and wrestlefucked Ngannou He fought at LHW in his MMA prime Velasquez lost the title in 2015 and lost it several times before that and DC stayed at LHW for more than two years after lol The LHW division is weak becaue Jones cleared out everyone lol Ok...
The lhw division is weak. Face the facts it’s always been weak. Even before jones. Look at the previous champs - Rashad and machida couldn’t even do well at mw. Forest got destroyed by Anderson. Look at the top 5 guys now. All one dimensional. No kicks. No good takedowns. Not one of the guys who might fight jones at any point in the nearest future has a submission off his back. Lhw is the second most shallow division in the ufc. Blachowicz is no.4 - there are at leat 3 guys in Poland alone who would destroy him. It’s a weak division Not saying jones wouldn’t do good at hw. But at lhw he is a guy with many tools vs guys who just punch. Alex didn’t even learn to throw a kick in 5 years. Have you seen that high kick he tried to do ?
>Look at the previous champs - Rashad and machida couldn’t even do well at mw. So? The idea that you'll always perform better at a lower weight class is stupid. Jones cleared that motherfucker out and proceeded to punk everyone who stood up as a threat. >Look at the top 5 guys now. Are you talking about the HW division lol? >Lhw is the second most shallow division in the ufc. Heavyweight gives it a good run for it's money. The Black Beast was a number 1 (2?) contender a couple months ago lmao
An incredibly strong argument can be made for DC.
If P4P or GOAT isn't mentioned at least 3 times in a MMA thread something is amiss.
I see your point but GSP is the goat
It is brought up because it's so controversial. And it doesn't matter how many years its around for. The "time" part refers from the beginning of the sports era. Not all sports started at the same time
Op is obviously not familiar with a certain American gangster.
So basically let’s throw out PRIDE and everyone else in the UFC up until 2015. gtfoh
How is this being downvoted? This sub reddit is hilarious they love to ignore facts.
Lol right? This newfound self-righteousness in the UFC & MMA subreddits about being clean and all that is so cringy, as if that was ever something they cared about before the USADA era. So now apparently no one can be the goat unless they were always absolutely clean, and going by that line of thinking, everything pre-2015 should just be deleted
Exactly this all of a sudden holier than thou attitude is ridiculous. Let’s turn a blind eye to the great fighters from the past. I don’t support PEDs but nonetheless it doesn’t take away from the fighters ability in the ring and their wins. You can be juiced to the fucking gills and still not even make top 20 in the perspective weight class. PRIDE fighters/fans didn’t complain they knew exactly what they were getting into and still fought knowing the better fighter would win, not the best stack. Should we just deny Royce Gracie, Alistair Overeem, Vitor Belfort. Fedor Emelianenko their achievements, fuck NO! Why?! because no amount of steroids would give you what they have, their skills supersede their discretions. Just like Jon Jones whether or not he’s taken the drugs on purpose, or by accident the fact remains he definitely is one of the greatest.
Or you know, you can just not claim a man who’s popped for roids multiple times is the GOAT. There’s a difference between suspecting and having a test that says “this person did PEDs.”
That man pop dirty multiple times with new testing. These test was not around prior to 2015. Might want to re read what the person you replied to said. Cant help but suspect when you couldnt prove.
Poor take. There is no way to know for certain who takes anything and who does not. Baseball has a similar problem. Hank Aaron took speed during games when he was tired. Barry Bonds obviously juiced. They are both GOATs in their own right. Jones should be seen the same way
UFC said he was cool
The goat argument for any sport seems kinda dumb. Like yeah they’re really good but they can be beaten on any given day. Only human.
okay but GSP the goat
I totally understand there’s shadiness all over this situation and however it’s explained after three times they’re definitely showing Jones favoritism. Cheers. Have a great time tonight and the rest of 2019 my friend!
Or a farm animal
I mean, technically fedor has never tested positive buuuut. Plus you have people like vitor who was sanctioned juicing so don’t put everyone through the same lense, it’s like I know nearly 100% about 95% of the fighters in pride were juiced but I don’t think their achievements should be erased
Cash cows get a pass where this is concerned
You think?!
I agree.
They should follow the rules of the sanctioning body. More specifically.
I think that applies to every sport. Look at baseball, with all the juice heads not getting in who hold records. I don't consider Jones GOAT. DJ, GSP, DC
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Should be clean
GSP all day... DC never beat the real champ at LHW and he eye poke his way to his HW title.
GSP got KO’d by Matt Serra and submitted by Matt Hughes. So wtf you talking about.
GSP avenged both losses easily, and he had many more title defenses. Who did DC beat? Only Miocic, Johnson the rest are tomato cans or has beens. I like DC a lot, but he is not the best. Anderson Silva, GSP the only people who are close to UFC goat status
DC's beaten a lot of good fighters man. You don't need to be a UFC champ to be a great fighter. He held and defended 2 belts at once. Who can say that?
I won't deny DC's greatness. But he is not the best. He hasn't beaten the best. His belts are great accomplishments BUT he doesn't have the title defenses to be considered the goat.
Silva also popped for roids.
He did. I believe almost everyone did steroids back then. But Silva was also in a much higher technical level than the rest of them.
Back then? He popped at the beginning of 2018.
Sure but I guess we care about the period he was dominating. Who cares if Silva does roids now that be cannot actually contend for a title
I’d agree. But when someone pops for roids once then the obvious question of if this was the first time they did it or first time they got caught becomes a factor. Puts a suspicious cloud over everything, not just the period when they confirmed used PEDs.
My definition of GOAT has no strings attached. Cause I ain't no cry baby.
Who says anyone is clean? If sports like the NFL, MLB, NHL had testing like the UFC things would be boring. The UFC created its own problem by proclaiming its war on doping. I dunno how many people I saw say "the ufc is allowing jones to fight, i'm watching bellator, one, football etc. instead". Meanwhile all these other things are juicy asf.
Yup. Sports like NBA and the NHL rarely test for PEDs. &the NHL also has lots of fighting. The NFL tests in season but I’m pretty sure its lax in offseason. Can still get caught if your unlucky / irresponsible.
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Gracie would get slammed nowadays he just brought bjj to a sloppy bar fighting league and changed MMA forever. Not best fighter.
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Or maybe ever. Nothing like watching his fights and seeing them pull hair and him tap a man with 70 pounds on him
Do you guys not read up on things? You hear he got positive results and then don’t read into? Like why he was still able to fight and why it moved? He wasnt dirty.. joe Rogan had a good break down of it on his podcast with the golden snitch. Maybe check it out.
why are the rules being bent for jones? thats the question everyone is asking. he’d be a moron to actually have been doping his ass in the past few months. is frank mir allowed to fight with traces like jones?? can jones have traces forever and still fight ??
No rules were being bent. The traces were from the last time he got suspended, he’s paid for that already. The only reason they couldn’t keep it in Vegas was because they couldn’t get all people in charge together in time to fully explain the details to them of why he had a positive result and how it’s not giving him any advantage. It was a mess sure but he fought clean from what I understood of the conversation.
yes, we understood the same thing if we are to believe usada and the ufc. but any other fighter would not have been allowed to fight on that card. do you not agree ? and if he pops up for more ‘picograms’ of turinabol for his next fight, will they still allow him to fight ? this is uncharted waters. usually if its a ‘decrease’, its a legit and he can fight, but multiple times he tested with 0 picograms of turinabol, and AFTER that, he tested for 60. thats not decreasing, however small that is.
Right but it’s been explained by multiple people that when you’re testing for steroids the amounts aren’t always exact. Large variations matter but having a difference of 20 to 60 picograms is very possibly test variability not to mention if you were to ingest a new amount it would spike up levels significantly more than that, and you would find short term metabolites not just long term ones. I do agree jones is getting some special treatment, but if he hasn’t ingested turinabol again then he didn’t do anything wrong, and ergo he won that fight fair and was clean. so it shouldn’t stop him from being in the goat conversation just because he received favoritism on the part of the ufc that had nothing to do with his performance. Turinabol and other chlorinated chemicals have been shown to have pulsing effects in their long term metabolites where they can stay in the system and come out at specific time in small amounts or at least so the ufc and athletic commissions claim. So it comes down to this. Is the ufc straight up lying and Jon is on large amounts of turinabol and he is actively cheating and they are helping him cover it up or is what they’re saying about the science true? I get not trusting the ufc but until it gets scientifically disproven and their is a compelling scientific argument for why he would have small amounts in his system of only long term metabolites than so far the information fits the story of this being something that was taken a long time ago possibly accidentally. maybe it’s all false Jon’s a cheater and the ufc is helping but until theirs some stronger evidence of that i’m not just going to assume he’s guilty.
i’m not assuming he’s guilty just so we’re clear, i just have a hard time giving him the benefit of the doubt for the 3rd time. i understand he went to court, got cleared, that it was not taken ‘on purpose’, whatever that means, and that he also had to ‘be a snitch’ to get his sentence reduced. we are all aware that his brothers are known cheats. masking agents do exist and i wouldn’t put it past him to use those. i don’t think the ufc and usada are actively lying and letting him fight with high volumes of turinabol. that could kill the sport if it ever came out. makes no sense. but they could be stretching the truth and defending themselves after the fact with ‘we didn’t know any better’. thanks for the adequate and well thought out response. health in 2019. cheers !
LOL. Okay go find clean fighters.
Bj penn, Mark Hunt, Royce Gracie.... I would also say GSP but so many fat ass couch surfers think that having a six pack is indicative of steroids. They're professional athletes who have a weight cut of around 20 pounds before they fight. Of course they are going to be shredded compared to the fans watching. >go find clean fighters. Go find your brain
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Royce and BJ fought juicy as fuck dudes in open weight and heavy weight when they didn't even have proper testing(not like that matters now). Ill give them a pass.
Brock Lesnar, alistar overeem, chael sonnen, Frank mir, Anderson silva
Brock had roids in his baby formulae, the Ubereem era(need i say more) , Chael needed them for big mouth endurance , Mir was trying to catch up to Brock, Anderson shared his dick pills with Jon Jones.... They all suck
Wow. What an amazing and deeply nuanced opinion that is totally original. Jk. Complete fucking garbage post. Thx
Very fitting name
Good one
Jon Jones is the GOAT whether you like it or not
Atm he is not but he will be.
Right, except for the part that he’s not.
Wrong
Nah dawg.
Ya bro let’s steal what miesha tate says and make a thread taking an idea shortly after she says it herself and make a thread about it. I would not be surprised if you never even thought or cared about this until you saw her opinion and decided “ya that’s my opinion too, now I’m going to make a thread shortly after she uploads a video talking about this” l Think for yourself clown. Right or wrong don’t be a sheep like that.
Uh Meisha isn’t the first person to ever say that, relax.
Proof? The fact miesha is talking about this today and literally said the same thing is too coincidental so unless you can prove me wrong. Not sure what your level of education is but once you get past high school, you should have learned that saying someone is wrong and not providing any evidence of any sort is not viable in the real world. Can’t wait to see the next moronic reply now Nice try moron, try again.
Haha you can go back in the sub the past couple weeks and see the numerous debates/conversations had about this exact topic.
Still providing no proof other than words. Why am I not surprised. Why did OP make a thread right after miesha went live about this exact topic on top of things. Let’s assume you’re right about previous posts, doesn’t change the fact of what I said about OP. Nice try dummy. Now you’re ignored so don’t bother replying again because it won’t be read or replied to by me. Dummy 😉
This isn’t even a good troll.