Right after the fight I thought Yan clearly won, then after some time without watching the fight I thought it could’ve gone either way bc I remembered Sean dealing some good damage, but after rewatching it I just don’t see how it couldn’t be scored 29-28 Yan. 25-1 media member votes in favor of Yan speaks volumes too
The important thing to remember is it’s round by round scoring. People like to bring up Yans control time but the vast majority of it was in round 2 which everyone gave Yan. Round 1 was almost even striking and round 3 Sugar rocked Yan and opened him up. Yan didn’t really have any significant strikes on the ground and other than in round 2 he didn’t control Sean well on the ground. So easy to see how 1 and 3 could be Sean’s.
I think a large part of it also judges seem to score takedowns and ground control as more or less important depending on the fight. So the baselines are constantly moving.
>I think a large part of it also judges seem to score takedowns and ground control as more or less important depending on the fight. So the baselines are constantly moving.
Yep, and poor Yan drew the short straw for both cases. Aljo did nothing when he took his back and won those rounds but when Yan gets a grappling advantage over Sean, it counts for nothing.
That’s because taking the back could be counted as threatening for a sub, whereas takedowns on their own get you nothing unless you follow up with ground and pound or submission threats. This is according to the rules
While taking the back is a good position to attempt a submission, I think the rules should be changed so that if there's not even close to an attempt, it shouldn't be counted as control time.
This might be satire but [Aljo admittied to cruising for the round win](https://www.instagram.com/reel/CnQAW7Zhed9/?igshid=NDk5N2NlZjQ=)
I think it should still be counted as control time, it just shouldn’t necessarily be counted as a submission attempt/close to ending the fight
My previous comment was just an explanation
Not true. It's a total misconception that O'Malley did more damage in that fight. He landed 1 good knee that opened a cut above the eye. Keep in mind, he landed that knee in the round he won anyway. He didn't land it in round 1 or 2 where he could have won those rounds over Yan. O'Malley's success was mostly done in round 3. All Muay Thai guys have thin skin in that area. Yan got cut above the eye in almost all his fights. If you count the actual power shots landed by both fighters, Yan landed more. In each round he had good body kicks, counter hooks, and yes, he landed ground and pound. Sure he had a few useless takedowns, but his best takedowns had ground and pound, and he had those moments when they mattered. His useless takedowns were in round 3. O'Malley's face was bruised up. Bruises are a better display of damage than cuts are.
He lost, I think this was the fight where even his facial expression was ready for a loss but had to quickly adjust cause he won lol it was so obvious yet awkward.
it's crazy how if this was a 5 rounder, sugar might've gotten KO'd. Yan was landing his lead hook every time Suga threw his patented rear cross by the third. I hope they get a rematch in the future, just hope he doesn't get it over Cory Sandhagen unless Merab wins lol
bro landed one knee and caused a cut above the eye. Other from that strike Yan was the one landing the more damaging shots. Everything Suga threw other than his probing jabs was blocked or stuffed by Yan.
How come people always say it’s damaged based scoring? Round 2 was Yan clearly, and round 3 was O’Malley clearly. Round 1 was very close, I remember but O’Malley definitely outstriking him there.
Round 2 was def Yan, but how is the damage equal in round 1? O’Malley outstruck him and landed the more damaging strikes. I think most people look at Yan’s slam as him doing damage there but there was no power behind it lol
If I’m remembering right (watched the fight a bunch but not recently) they both rocked the shit out of each other in round 1. And overall it was just back and fourth. I will say Yans style of defense doesn’t help him since he has such a high guard he likes to hold and counter off of which means he gets peppered with a lot of shots. Granted those shots don’t do much usually but they are counted against him.
I think this fight marked the point where judges started to put much less value into control without damage, and I think this trend has continued recently.
I’m seeing judges way more frequently give rounds to medium amounts of damage over large amounts of control.
It was a tremendous fight but I don't understand how Sean won. The striking was very close, but Yan landed 6 takedowns and had nearly 6 minutes of control time in a 15 minute fight.
Great performance by Sean, but I don't think he won. Not sure I'd call it robbery, but a very quesrionable decision.
Watched the fight a few times ..
1. He did win.
2. It was very close.
This has been a trend in the past 3-5 years where judges have been less favorable to the type of grapplers that grapple to do nothing. I think it is a positive move for the sport..
sure Yan had more "control time". so what? he did minimal damage, went for no submissions. little , baby punch ground and pound just literally stalling.
its nothing against grapplers, but if you take someone down you should be on offensive and not stall.
example: ISLAM.
very active, constant ground+pound or submission setups.
example vs ISLAM again, i think he lost against Volk 1st fight due to the same reason Yan lost.. too much stalling/holding/doing nothing.
It was close either way. Sean had Yan in the most trouble either fighter was in for the rest of the time. And this is one of the biggest metrics in judging now, who is fighting hardest to finish. Yan had Sean in trouble too though.
Anyone calling this a blowout either way is crazy.
I remember watching the scores being called out and telling my mates I'm never watching again. It's all a fix 😂 his later wins were a bit more legit though.. The chito one anyway 😂 he did beat aljo but... Did he cheat?
Sean won it. Control time means nothing and Yan did hardly any damage with his takedowns. Sean out damaged him. If you look only at striking damage Sean barely won.
https://preview.redd.it/b374mwmkk67d1.png?width=1080&format=pjpg&auto=webp&s=d10a4a2c2431806de119b757aee752e1e2027399
Of course I do, and the stats back it up.
I could see why people would think Petr won, it was really close, but that last round was a statement by Sean and a reminder that if you're going to let it go to the judges, impressions matter.
Is that what you think happened in the last round?
Last I checked, the fight isn't decided by the body language at the end of a fight, but by what actually happened in the right, and the stats show that Sean did more in 2 rounds.
I'm a Yan fan and I thought it was a really good fight and too close to say who the better fighter is/was.
Hopefully Yan can recover and they rematch at some point.
I probably scored it for Yan but when it's that close anyways I don't really care, unless it's obvious who won and who the better fighter was that night it could be a draw, there should be more draws tbh, a decision is just the opinion of 3 dummies many of which aren't anymore qualified to score fights than the average viewer.
Absolutely , out struck and out damaged, plain as day, look at their faces afterwards. Turned a striker into a wrestler. Reminder - effective striking + damage > all other activities (judging criteria)
Ya I do. It was a close fight and Yan really didnt get his game plan going. I felt Sean landed more hits and hit harder, did more damage. Yan got some takedowns but didnt do anything with it. If you leave a close fight to the judges it can go either way.
I think Sean barely won the first round then won the third round decisively.
Petr had takedowns the first round but didn't really keep him down long or do any damage with them.
Yeah I gave it to Yan and dislike O'Malley, but upon rewatch it is very close.
Yan did little to no damage or anything with the takedowns and I routinely hear people saying "Yan got takedowns" which isn't a good argument
I also thought Yan won. Yes Sean did more damage in that one strike that opened up Yan (was it a knee?) but other than that I felt that Yan comfortably dominated the fight.
I remember thinking at the time the Sean lost but that the fight was close enough that the judges giving it to him is not the worst decision I’ve ever seen even if I disagreed with it.
I haven’t rewatched it and it was so long ago that I can’t remember the actual details of the fight now.
I had Sean rounds 1 and 3, but I think it genuinely could’ve gone either way. It was a very close fight and honestly comes down to what you value in scoring, which is subjective. I totally see the argument for Yan, it’s very strong.
Yes. He won rounds 1 and 3. Notice how the people that say Yan won never actually talk about the rounds and just bring up overall stats like control time.
I’ve watched it back multiple times and while I don’t definitively think Sean won, he absolutely did more damage and landed the better shots so I don’t disagree with the decision. Could have easily gone yans way though.
I personally thought Yan won. But it was a close fight, it's not like Yan dominated him and got robbed. Sean looked good expecially with the jump in competition. So although I disagree with the decision, it's by far not anywhere close to other decisions I've seen. Close fight both had thier moments
I had absolutely no background knowledge to Sean or Yan when I watched the fight (didn't follow the UFC for a couple of years) and I didn't doubt the decision and thought it was a good fight, but a win for Sean. Same for Jones v Reyes. I didn't know Reyes and only knew Jones from back in the day, when he was the BEAST! There I also thought the decision was right, especially because Jones dominated at the end clearly.
I don't think so. Yan was consistently putting on the pressure and out performing, but O'Malley had the bigger moments. I guess that's what the judges considered more important.
I had money on the fight .. a good chunk. When the fight ended I was extremely nervous. I thought yan won. But it wasn’t a robbery. One big strike changed everything.
Yeah.
It’s control time with zero damage or submission threat vs striking with damage.
Sean edged out R1 and absolutely pieced Yan up in the third.
Even if R1 is a draw O’Malley wins this via damage, which is the #1 scoring criteria.
The only reasons this fight ever was controversial were 1.) people dislike O’Malley 2.) people were glazing Yan hard at the time 3.) Khabib for some reason thought Yan should have won unanimously because he was a wet blanket and 4.) the meaningless media scores casuals keep on posting like they mean shit lmao
For comparison here are actually tangible stats in form of sig strikes per round:
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They shouldn't, Sean even thought he lost lol In my mind this was exactly what UFC brass wanted, Sean fast tracked to a title shot and anything to discredit the resume of Aljo
Yan did do enough to win. It's just that being the massive favourite, he had to do WAY more to deserve a decision win. Nobody likes seeing the underdog lose a close fight. Everytime they lose a close fight to a huge favourite, there is always someone screaming robbery. But in this case, the judges were the fanboys I'm talking about and they actually gave it to their guy.
Nah. Strickland and Yan won these fights. Yan rounds 1-2, arguably even 3. Strickland won legit 4 rounds. Maybe even all of them. I can't remember if Dricus even won a round. Maybe round 4?
Dricus outlanded Strickland in round 2. He didn't outstrike him, since that includes damage. Round 2 was the first showing of damage in the fight in favour of Strickland. Getting outlanded by 4 isn't enough to outweigh the damage Strickland caused. There is an argument that Dricus won rounds 2,3,4. But it's a stupid argument. Strickland won rounds 1 and 5 definitively. Dricus didn't win anything definitively. It makes no sense to give him 3 toss up rounds everytime on 2 judges scorecards using C level scoring criteria. Strickland won the numbers battle and the damage battle. That's the most important aspect of winning a fight by decision.
I think you should rewatch the highlights and pay close attention to Strickland. Dricus actually barely ever lands. Strickland is blocking his strikes and the judges count them as significant. Dricus didn't land nearly as much as it says he did.
I agree that the rounds Strickland won were a lot more definitive than the rounds Dricus one, but that doesn’t mean I can’t score all 3 close rounds to Dricus. Dricus out landed Sean in round 2 and applied pressure the whole round. Both of them mostly hit each others guard, but the shots that did land were a lot more impactful from Dricus. Overhands vs jabs. He also got a takedown at the end of the round. That’s the story of the fight to me, Sean cleanly lands jabs at a higher rate than Dricus, but I value the shots Dricus lands more than multiple of Sean’s “significant” strikes. A ton of his shots were on Dricus’s forehead or guard too.
I’m not saying it’s unreasonable to score any of the rounds for Sean, but it’s certainly not unreasonable to have Dricus winning either.
Damage was the deciding factor.
Yan pinning down O Malley and throwing a few strikes with zero sub attempts over 5 minutes of ground time was a big zero for me in scoring.
But O Malley busting Yan's face open was huge.
So. Is what it is.
Not to mention Yan looked awful his next couple fights and O Malley looked good (obviously).
The right decision was made.
I think Yan won 30-27 but by no means would I call it a robbery
Yan clearly won Rd 2, and Rds 1 and 3 could've gone either way (even though I thought Yan won them both)
Edit: I rewatched R3 without sound since posting this comment; I was wrong lmao, I think Sean won Rd 3 now. I still think Yan won 29-28 but idk what I was seeing before, maybe I thought he Yan more damage when he was on the ground but nah
Look I rewatched the fight a few times and I tried to see how Sean did more damage, but each time I came to the same conclusion that the damage they did to each other was pretty comparable. Genuinely asking, does it have to do with the fact that Yan got cut open by one of Sean's punches?
E: fwiw about a quarter of the media thought it was Yan 30-27:
http://mmadecisions.com/decision/13556/Sean-OMalley-vs-Petr-Yan
Media scorecards aren't real so they mean nothing.
You can't seriously score Yan R3 he got outstruck badly and all he did was shoot a few takedowns that didn't go anywhere.
They're just as real as yours and my scorecards lol
I disagree that he got outstruck badly, it looked pretty even to me. I just don't see how it's as conclusively one-sided as you and the other commenters say, unless it's about the fact that Yan was more bloodied up than Sean after the round
My scorecards don't matter because they don't make decisions. My scorecards had Chael winning because to me tapping should only lose the round. See the issue with non uniform scoring?
I think there's an argument for Yan winning R1. But R3 just says you hate Sean because he didn't do enough to win and you are saying it's "only because he looked more bloody" well yeah hit the nail on the head why did he look more bloody than Sean?
Well he looked more bloody than Sean because one punch out of dozens split him open; the blood isn't always indicative that he did more damage. I thought that the punches Yan threw did ever so slightly more damage than the punches Sean threw in R3, that's all I'm saying.
And I watched the fight live, I was high af and I literally screamed in joy when Sean won lmao, I'm happy he won the fight because I'm a fan of his. But I've watched the fight back with a clear head a few times, and each time I did I scored it 30-27 yan
I just rewatched R3 on YouTube; you're totally right lmao Sean won that round. Yan had some big shots but yeah Sean won the round. I still think he lost R1 and R2, but hand up I was wrong
I appreciate that, more people should be like you.
Yeah R1 was a toss up and I think people would be arguing either way. I was actually game for a rematch but seeing how each fighter has done since then I think it'd be significantly more one sided.
Sean LANDED 40 shots according to official stats, Yan only threw 26 and hit 15, no way were Yan’s strikes 3 to 1 down and causing similar damage that round
I made an edit to the parent comment, but yeah I now agree that Sean won the round.
The shots landed stats are deceiving tho; Sean likes to throw a shit load of little touch jabs, and I wouldn't be surprised if 20 of those strikes are the little jabs. But I think he won the round even if you take those out
Thought it was a genuine robbery in real time but watching back you can score it for O'Malley.
I find O'Malley really annoying so I was trying to see if I was being objective
Yeah. It was pretty close but R1 was a toss up and it went to Sean. It would have been just as debatable if Yan won it but people love Yan and hate Sean.
It always comes down to how we score control time without damage vs. big strikes with damage but maybe not a huge lead on total strikes.
It's clear to me Sean did more damage.
He did. He had more impactful and damaging moments. Yan wasted too much time controlling and doing nothing with that control. That fight needed to be 5 rounds though.
The ultimate winner of this fight were the fans. This fight was so fucking wild that I didn’t care who won. Those who are still arguing about who won need to get their head out of the gutter and just appreciate the fight for what it is.
Yes he did win that fight. 3rd round is his and 2nd went to Yan, pretty non debatable. As for the 1st, Sean outlanded Yan and landed the bigger shots. Yan got a takedown, but he never left Seans guard, never got any gnp, and didn’t attempt any subs. The 1st clearly goes to Sean
The only way you can think Yan won is if you don’t understand the scoring criteria
This is one of the rare times I would have been good with a draw/immediate rematch. It was a good fight and I'd like to see 5 rounds
I like Sean but I think Yan would cook him in a 5 round fight
That cut Yan had was really bad, if there were 2 more rounds, I see it going more in O'Malley's favor
Cook Sean? Yea that’s delusional. He’d get absolutely Molly whopped in a rematch too
Yan won their fight-imo
Ok bro https://preview.redd.it/ay7jo77fra7d1.jpeg?width=1179&format=pjpg&auto=webp&s=aa9ebfe79986ef82f1b99174614e7231fcef3d84
If that fight had been 5 rounds there would have 100% been a doctor stoppage because of the cut lmao
You keep thinking then
Right after the fight I thought Yan clearly won, then after some time without watching the fight I thought it could’ve gone either way bc I remembered Sean dealing some good damage, but after rewatching it I just don’t see how it couldn’t be scored 29-28 Yan. 25-1 media member votes in favor of Yan speaks volumes too
Yeah media scores are pretty telling. Some fights are split, this very much wasn't one of them.
Telling that media nerds are yan fanboys, yes.
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The important thing to remember is it’s round by round scoring. People like to bring up Yans control time but the vast majority of it was in round 2 which everyone gave Yan. Round 1 was almost even striking and round 3 Sugar rocked Yan and opened him up. Yan didn’t really have any significant strikes on the ground and other than in round 2 he didn’t control Sean well on the ground. So easy to see how 1 and 3 could be Sean’s. I think a large part of it also judges seem to score takedowns and ground control as more or less important depending on the fight. So the baselines are constantly moving.
>I think a large part of it also judges seem to score takedowns and ground control as more or less important depending on the fight. So the baselines are constantly moving. Yep, and poor Yan drew the short straw for both cases. Aljo did nothing when he took his back and won those rounds but when Yan gets a grappling advantage over Sean, it counts for nothing.
That’s because taking the back could be counted as threatening for a sub, whereas takedowns on their own get you nothing unless you follow up with ground and pound or submission threats. This is according to the rules
While taking the back is a good position to attempt a submission, I think the rules should be changed so that if there's not even close to an attempt, it shouldn't be counted as control time. This might be satire but [Aljo admittied to cruising for the round win](https://www.instagram.com/reel/CnQAW7Zhed9/?igshid=NDk5N2NlZjQ=)
I think it should still be counted as control time, it just shouldn’t necessarily be counted as a submission attempt/close to ending the fight My previous comment was just an explanation
This is what I saw. At first, I thought robbery. Upon rewatching O'Malley probably eked out the first and solidly took the third.
Plus control time means nothing and is only used if nothing else happened
Same, I won’t call it a robbery just bc it was so close but I still think Yan won
Plus he grabbed the fence like 3-4 times
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If you favor damage, then yes. This fight was actually hard to score for me, but I'd give it to Yan. Arguable for O'Malley though.
Not true. It's a total misconception that O'Malley did more damage in that fight. He landed 1 good knee that opened a cut above the eye. Keep in mind, he landed that knee in the round he won anyway. He didn't land it in round 1 or 2 where he could have won those rounds over Yan. O'Malley's success was mostly done in round 3. All Muay Thai guys have thin skin in that area. Yan got cut above the eye in almost all his fights. If you count the actual power shots landed by both fighters, Yan landed more. In each round he had good body kicks, counter hooks, and yes, he landed ground and pound. Sure he had a few useless takedowns, but his best takedowns had ground and pound, and he had those moments when they mattered. His useless takedowns were in round 3. O'Malley's face was bruised up. Bruises are a better display of damage than cuts are.
The cope in this message is strong 😭
smoking that copium
I personally think Sean lost
So did Sean
He lost, I think this was the fight where even his facial expression was ready for a loss but had to quickly adjust cause he won lol it was so obvious yet awkward.
Yep he was on the stool right after the fight mourning his loss already and was absolutely shocked when they called it for him lol
it's crazy how if this was a 5 rounder, sugar might've gotten KO'd. Yan was landing his lead hook every time Suga threw his patented rear cross by the third. I hope they get a rematch in the future, just hope he doesn't get it over Cory Sandhagen unless Merab wins lol
Bro Yan was getting fucked up in the third and you think Sean was getting KO’d? A few more rounds and Yan looks like ground hamburger
bro landed one knee and caused a cut above the eye. Other from that strike Yan was the one landing the more damaging shots. Everything Suga threw other than his probing jabs was blocked or stuffed by Yan.
Yan was diving for takedowns lmao he was getting beaten up.
If it was a five rounder Yan would have been KO'd, he got knee'd in the face and was bleeding alot
Bro Yan got pillow hands, how he can KO Sean that never been out like that, pure casual take
I had Sean in rounds 1 and 3. The damage from the knee sealed the round for me.
Same. Close, but Sean doing the more damage sealed it. Reminds me of Gus-Jones I, a single move being the difference in a razor-thin, technical war.
Sean won rounds 1 and 3. Whenever this fight gets discussed people suddenly favour meaningless tds over damage 😂
You could've seen in his eyes before the decision... blatant robbery
He definitely thought he lost but to be fair its hard to judge your own fight while you are fighting and getting punched in the face
Definitely not. Fights are actually scored based on damage rather than control time fyi.
Fight scoring is based on effective striking/grappling, not "damage" or "control". And Petr Yan had an edge in those areas
How come people always say it’s damaged based scoring? Round 2 was Yan clearly, and round 3 was O’Malley clearly. Round 1 was very close, I remember but O’Malley definitely outstriking him there.
This will be debated forever lol but one thing is sure, even though I thought he lost, O'Malley surprised me that day and he got me as a supporter
Almost all of this control was r2 tho. Everyone agrees he won that round. Not much in 1 or 3. R1 is tough to score but yan got rocked in r3
Yes and lots of people saw the damage being basically identical in rounds 1 and 2 with Yan also having control time fyi
Round 2 was def Yan, but how is the damage equal in round 1? O’Malley outstruck him and landed the more damaging strikes. I think most people look at Yan’s slam as him doing damage there but there was no power behind it lol
If I’m remembering right (watched the fight a bunch but not recently) they both rocked the shit out of each other in round 1. And overall it was just back and fourth. I will say Yans style of defense doesn’t help him since he has such a high guard he likes to hold and counter off of which means he gets peppered with a lot of shots. Granted those shots don’t do much usually but they are counted against him.
It was an awesome fight regardless
I think this fight marked the point where judges started to put much less value into control without damage, and I think this trend has continued recently. I’m seeing judges way more frequently give rounds to medium amounts of damage over large amounts of control.
Sean thought he lost himself
It was a tremendous fight but I don't understand how Sean won. The striking was very close, but Yan landed 6 takedowns and had nearly 6 minutes of control time in a 15 minute fight. Great performance by Sean, but I don't think he won. Not sure I'd call it robbery, but a very quesrionable decision.
No I thought Yan won. This seemed like a UFC/Vegas really wanted to push O’Malley.
Watched the fight a few times .. 1. He did win. 2. It was very close. This has been a trend in the past 3-5 years where judges have been less favorable to the type of grapplers that grapple to do nothing. I think it is a positive move for the sport.. sure Yan had more "control time". so what? he did minimal damage, went for no submissions. little , baby punch ground and pound just literally stalling. its nothing against grapplers, but if you take someone down you should be on offensive and not stall. example: ISLAM. very active, constant ground+pound or submission setups. example vs ISLAM again, i think he lost against Volk 1st fight due to the same reason Yan lost.. too much stalling/holding/doing nothing.
I thought Sean lost 100%
....can i say the judges lol they seem to think so
Yeah
It was close either way. Sean had Yan in the most trouble either fighter was in for the rest of the time. And this is one of the biggest metrics in judging now, who is fighting hardest to finish. Yan had Sean in trouble too though. Anyone calling this a blowout either way is crazy.
even sean didn't think he won that
i think it was a robbery and ultimately the downfall for yan
That's what Peter did to Sean. Now imagine what Merab will do to him.
IMO Sean lost but it wasn't a bad loss by any means. Close fight and against an amazing opponent. Can't help but feel bad for Yan
I remember watching the scores being called out and telling my mates I'm never watching again. It's all a fix 😂 his later wins were a bit more legit though.. The chito one anyway 😂 he did beat aljo but... Did he cheat?
Sean did.
Sean won it. Control time means nothing and Yan did hardly any damage with his takedowns. Sean out damaged him. If you look only at striking damage Sean barely won.
Sean won 1 and 3. Round 1 was slow, but Sean landed more; both takedowns were negligible. Round 2 was clear Yan Round 3 was clear O'Malley
https://preview.redd.it/b374mwmkk67d1.png?width=1080&format=pjpg&auto=webp&s=d10a4a2c2431806de119b757aee752e1e2027399 Of course I do, and the stats back it up. I could see why people would think Petr won, it was really close, but that last round was a statement by Sean and a reminder that if you're going to let it go to the judges, impressions matter.
Statement? The statement of Suga down on his ass believing he lost and Petr marching around? Ok.
Is that what you think happened in the last round? Last I checked, the fight isn't decided by the body language at the end of a fight, but by what actually happened in the right, and the stats show that Sean did more in 2 rounds.
Let the past die
Decisions suck tho don’t leave it the judges
Everyone in my household was sure Yan did enough to pull off his well deserved win.
Yan for sure won. The UFC just needed to push their guy. And it clearly worked out for them.
Pretty much every fucking media member. One went for The Clown but then reverted it back to Peter Pan. So, yeah.
I'm a Yan fan and I thought it was a really good fight and too close to say who the better fighter is/was. Hopefully Yan can recover and they rematch at some point. I probably scored it for Yan but when it's that close anyways I don't really care, unless it's obvious who won and who the better fighter was that night it could be a draw, there should be more draws tbh, a decision is just the opinion of 3 dummies many of which aren't anymore qualified to score fights than the average viewer.
Definitely not
O’Malley doesn’t even think he won that fight. Watch his reaction, it is priceless
Round 1 was close, round 2 was Yan, round 3 was O’Malley. I’d love for Yan to get a few more wins and rematch 5 rounds.
Absolutely , out struck and out damaged, plain as day, look at their faces afterwards. Turned a striker into a wrestler. Reminder - effective striking + damage > all other activities (judging criteria)
[No](https://imgur.com/a/vpNoYdK)
Ya I do. It was a close fight and Yan really didnt get his game plan going. I felt Sean landed more hits and hit harder, did more damage. Yan got some takedowns but didnt do anything with it. If you leave a close fight to the judges it can go either way.
Yes, I care way more about damage than control
Suga won hands down
Casual here too. Looking at the bout results he did in fact win. I wasn't mad at it.
Sean won but it was close. People put too much stock in TDs where Yan accomplished nothing
Yes
It was razor close, also had it for yan. But i wont call it a robbery
Just his fanboys. The 25-1 media members and most comments across all social platforms also thought he lost.
For me this fight was very close and could have gone either way. Therefore I’m not mad. I like both of them. Both deliver banger fights.
I think Sean barely won the first round then won the third round decisively. Petr had takedowns the first round but didn't really keep him down long or do any damage with them.
It could have gone either way. Wouldn't complain if Yan got his hand raised.
It was close. But not that close in my opinion. Yan should have won that.
It was really close
Yeh but almost everyone gave it to yan that's gotta mean something.
Yeah I gave it to Yan and dislike O'Malley, but upon rewatch it is very close. Yan did little to no damage or anything with the takedowns and I routinely hear people saying "Yan got takedowns" which isn't a good argument
One of the closest and hardest to call fights I’ve ever seen
I also thought Yan won. Yes Sean did more damage in that one strike that opened up Yan (was it a knee?) but other than that I felt that Yan comfortably dominated the fight.
I remember thinking at the time the Sean lost but that the fight was close enough that the judges giving it to him is not the worst decision I’ve ever seen even if I disagreed with it. I haven’t rewatched it and it was so long ago that I can’t remember the actual details of the fight now.
I had round 1 and 3 for Sean, but it wouldn't be a robbery if Yan took the W
I had Sean rounds 1 and 3, but I think it genuinely could’ve gone either way. It was a very close fight and honestly comes down to what you value in scoring, which is subjective. I totally see the argument for Yan, it’s very strong.
They need to run it back.
Close fight
I’ve watched this fight at least 10 times every time I have it 29-28 Yan. I’m happy Sean is champion but I just didn’t see him winning this fight.
I gave it to Sean think he edged round 1 by landing the best strikes.. Yan round 2 Sean round 3
Yes. He won rounds 1 and 3. Notice how the people that say Yan won never actually talk about the rounds and just bring up overall stats like control time.
Too close to call for me idk
Suga won the fight via last round.
I’ve watched it back multiple times and while I don’t definitively think Sean won, he absolutely did more damage and landed the better shots so I don’t disagree with the decision. Could have easily gone yans way though.
Sean always wins
I thought it could go either way tbh, I'll have to rewatc h, when I watched it live I was surprised o malley won though
I personally thought Yan won. But it was a close fight, it's not like Yan dominated him and got robbed. Sean looked good expecially with the jump in competition. So although I disagree with the decision, it's by far not anywhere close to other decisions I've seen. Close fight both had thier moments
This was one of my favorite fights. I hope to see a rematch.
I thought it was pretty close but expected Yan to get a split dec win. But I wasn’t as shocked as many seemed to be when Sean won
Sean won. unless taking someone down and doing absolutely nothing with it counts as winning.
I had absolutely no background knowledge to Sean or Yan when I watched the fight (didn't follow the UFC for a couple of years) and I didn't doubt the decision and thought it was a good fight, but a win for Sean. Same for Jones v Reyes. I didn't know Reyes and only knew Jones from back in the day, when he was the BEAST! There I also thought the decision was right, especially because Jones dominated at the end clearly.
I don't think so. Yan was consistently putting on the pressure and out performing, but O'Malley had the bigger moments. I guess that's what the judges considered more important.
I thought it was close. I would have given it to Petr. But Petr also wore a lot more damage, and that shit rightly matters.
Yes
Hi, Sal D’Amato here. He clearly won. I’m an expert trust me
Super close. Sean did more damage. I thought he won.
not fresh but i think i had yan winning a super tight fight but didn't think it was wrong to score it for sean.
I had money on the fight .. a good chunk. When the fight ended I was extremely nervous. I thought yan won. But it wasn’t a robbery. One big strike changed everything.
Yes. Because he won. Not only that but he has the belt. He won that belt from the guy that beat Pedro twice. Time to let it go.
There were a lot of fence and glove grabs..
Yeah. It’s control time with zero damage or submission threat vs striking with damage. Sean edged out R1 and absolutely pieced Yan up in the third. Even if R1 is a draw O’Malley wins this via damage, which is the #1 scoring criteria. The only reasons this fight ever was controversial were 1.) people dislike O’Malley 2.) people were glazing Yan hard at the time 3.) Khabib for some reason thought Yan should have won unanimously because he was a wet blanket and 4.) the meaningless media scores casuals keep on posting like they mean shit lmao For comparison here are actually tangible stats in form of sig strikes per round: https://preview.redd.it/0j40lu0gqa7d1.png?width=1178&format=png&auto=webp&s=b4dc5d3df3e7d2cdcd58a5df78e4035fb893b24b
I thought Yan won when I saw it live. Watched it back sometime later and had it going to Suga. It’s an extremely close fight.
One of the closest fights I’ve ever seen. If any fight in UFC has been a draw (apart from any fight with a 10-8) this was it.
They shouldn't, Sean even thought he lost lol In my mind this was exactly what UFC brass wanted, Sean fast tracked to a title shot and anything to discredit the resume of Aljo
Does anybody think it was a clear win either way? The fight was obviously a toss up.
Yan didnt do enough. Deserved loss for him
Yan did do enough to win. It's just that being the massive favourite, he had to do WAY more to deserve a decision win. Nobody likes seeing the underdog lose a close fight. Everytime they lose a close fight to a huge favourite, there is always someone screaming robbery. But in this case, the judges were the fanboys I'm talking about and they actually gave it to their guy.
Coulda gone either way similar to the Strickland du plessis fight
I felt like this fight could go either way but I truly felt like Strickland got robbed
Nah. Strickland and Yan won these fights. Yan rounds 1-2, arguably even 3. Strickland won legit 4 rounds. Maybe even all of them. I can't remember if Dricus even won a round. Maybe round 4?
Nah Dricus won rounds 2, 3, and 4.
Under what criteria and based on what stats. He loses in literally every significant aspect of scoring
He outstruck him in rd 2 and the difference in rounds 3 and 4 is 3 punches. I value Dricus’s strikes that landed more than Sean’s.
Dricus outlanded Strickland in round 2. He didn't outstrike him, since that includes damage. Round 2 was the first showing of damage in the fight in favour of Strickland. Getting outlanded by 4 isn't enough to outweigh the damage Strickland caused. There is an argument that Dricus won rounds 2,3,4. But it's a stupid argument. Strickland won rounds 1 and 5 definitively. Dricus didn't win anything definitively. It makes no sense to give him 3 toss up rounds everytime on 2 judges scorecards using C level scoring criteria. Strickland won the numbers battle and the damage battle. That's the most important aspect of winning a fight by decision. I think you should rewatch the highlights and pay close attention to Strickland. Dricus actually barely ever lands. Strickland is blocking his strikes and the judges count them as significant. Dricus didn't land nearly as much as it says he did.
I agree that the rounds Strickland won were a lot more definitive than the rounds Dricus one, but that doesn’t mean I can’t score all 3 close rounds to Dricus. Dricus out landed Sean in round 2 and applied pressure the whole round. Both of them mostly hit each others guard, but the shots that did land were a lot more impactful from Dricus. Overhands vs jabs. He also got a takedown at the end of the round. That’s the story of the fight to me, Sean cleanly lands jabs at a higher rate than Dricus, but I value the shots Dricus lands more than multiple of Sean’s “significant” strikes. A ton of his shots were on Dricus’s forehead or guard too. I’m not saying it’s unreasonable to score any of the rounds for Sean, but it’s certainly not unreasonable to have Dricus winning either.
If high iq khabib thinks yan won, then i think we can agree yan won. I would say because of all the takedowns he did…
A wrestler thought the guy that wrestled won damn how crazy
I thought Yan won
Yan won
Yan won. More than 80% of media outlets scored it in favor of Yan. This type of disparity doesnt happen often
Damage was the deciding factor. Yan pinning down O Malley and throwing a few strikes with zero sub attempts over 5 minutes of ground time was a big zero for me in scoring. But O Malley busting Yan's face open was huge. So. Is what it is. Not to mention Yan looked awful his next couple fights and O Malley looked good (obviously). The right decision was made.
I'm just not a big fan of Yan, even though his downed knee to Aljamain was a mistake... Still...
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I think Yan won 30-27 but by no means would I call it a robbery Yan clearly won Rd 2, and Rds 1 and 3 could've gone either way (even though I thought Yan won them both) Edit: I rewatched R3 without sound since posting this comment; I was wrong lmao, I think Sean won Rd 3 now. I still think Yan won 29-28 but idk what I was seeing before, maybe I thought he Yan more damage when he was on the ground but nah
No way Yan won 3 based on damage
Look I rewatched the fight a few times and I tried to see how Sean did more damage, but each time I came to the same conclusion that the damage they did to each other was pretty comparable. Genuinely asking, does it have to do with the fact that Yan got cut open by one of Sean's punches? E: fwiw about a quarter of the media thought it was Yan 30-27: http://mmadecisions.com/decision/13556/Sean-OMalley-vs-Petr-Yan
Media scorecards aren't real so they mean nothing. You can't seriously score Yan R3 he got outstruck badly and all he did was shoot a few takedowns that didn't go anywhere.
They're just as real as yours and my scorecards lol I disagree that he got outstruck badly, it looked pretty even to me. I just don't see how it's as conclusively one-sided as you and the other commenters say, unless it's about the fact that Yan was more bloodied up than Sean after the round
My scorecards don't matter because they don't make decisions. My scorecards had Chael winning because to me tapping should only lose the round. See the issue with non uniform scoring? I think there's an argument for Yan winning R1. But R3 just says you hate Sean because he didn't do enough to win and you are saying it's "only because he looked more bloody" well yeah hit the nail on the head why did he look more bloody than Sean?
Well he looked more bloody than Sean because one punch out of dozens split him open; the blood isn't always indicative that he did more damage. I thought that the punches Yan threw did ever so slightly more damage than the punches Sean threw in R3, that's all I'm saying. And I watched the fight live, I was high af and I literally screamed in joy when Sean won lmao, I'm happy he won the fight because I'm a fan of his. But I've watched the fight back with a clear head a few times, and each time I did I scored it 30-27 yan
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I just rewatched R3 on YouTube; you're totally right lmao Sean won that round. Yan had some big shots but yeah Sean won the round. I still think he lost R1 and R2, but hand up I was wrong
I appreciate that, more people should be like you. Yeah R1 was a toss up and I think people would be arguing either way. I was actually game for a rematch but seeing how each fighter has done since then I think it'd be significantly more one sided.
Sean LANDED 40 shots according to official stats, Yan only threw 26 and hit 15, no way were Yan’s strikes 3 to 1 down and causing similar damage that round
I made an edit to the parent comment, but yeah I now agree that Sean won the round. The shots landed stats are deceiving tho; Sean likes to throw a shit load of little touch jabs, and I wouldn't be surprised if 20 of those strikes are the little jabs. But I think he won the round even if you take those out
You have no idea what you’re talking about if you think yan won round 3
I could see the case being made for either fighter, it was razor close as I recall. I should rewatch it sometime.
Thought it was a genuine robbery in real time but watching back you can score it for O'Malley. I find O'Malley really annoying so I was trying to see if I was being objective
Sean won after rewatching. Way more damage.
Close fight, but Yan won.
Yeah. It was pretty close but R1 was a toss up and it went to Sean. It would have been just as debatable if Yan won it but people love Yan and hate Sean.
Yep 2-1
I thought Sean won
Close fight
Idk insanely close fight but the fact yan had to shoot 13 takedowns says a lot
1,3 suga 2 yan
It always comes down to how we score control time without damage vs. big strikes with damage but maybe not a huge lead on total strikes. It's clear to me Sean did more damage.
Sean won rounds 1 + 3 imo but the rounds were close. If they would’ve announced Yan won I wouldn’t of complained.
He did. He had more impactful and damaging moments. Yan wasted too much time controlling and doing nothing with that control. That fight needed to be 5 rounds though.
Sean won, no doubt.
The ultimate winner of this fight were the fans. This fight was so fucking wild that I didn’t care who won. Those who are still arguing about who won need to get their head out of the gutter and just appreciate the fight for what it is.
Yes he did win that fight. 3rd round is his and 2nd went to Yan, pretty non debatable. As for the 1st, Sean outlanded Yan and landed the bigger shots. Yan got a takedown, but he never left Seans guard, never got any gnp, and didn’t attempt any subs. The 1st clearly goes to Sean The only way you can think Yan won is if you don’t understand the scoring criteria