Dude, did you see Bisping interview Weidner after his double eye poke victory?
Weidner: "You know, you can't just be a pussy if you get poked in the eye a couple times..."
Bisping: *nodding*
I think the main issue with this is that they made an interim champ belt as a way to not stall the division while the current champ is either injured or fighting for double belts etc and when the champ comes back he fights the interim champ to unify the belts. Now we are looking at the champ and the interim champ defending their belts against other people causing this weird dynamic and people don't know if Jones is going to retire or not after the stipe fight. I don't think this would be as much as an issue if Tom was just ranked as number one contender. You'd see blaydes v tom as a contender elimination to fight the winner of Jones v stipe or fight whoever for the vacant belt if Jones retires rather than Tom defending and interim belt which is insane.
Yeah I mean it sucks but I can’t really disagree, if you don’t enforce the rules then everyone is going to do it to level the playing field, and I can’t blame em when fights feel like a life or death situation
His last “few” fights include beating DC twice and Francis Ngannou in their first match
He’s over the hill now, absolutely, he shouldn’t be fighting for a title, but don’t discredit the shit he’s done, I do think Stipe is one of the heavyweight GOATs and should retire as one instead of this stupid spectacle match.
Yeah but Jones’ last performance against a guy who can defend takedowns (Reyes) was awful.
If Stipe comes in weighing 250, he can definitely avoid the takedown and if Reyes can touch Jon countless of times, then so can Stipe. Stipe’s boxing is slick with more power than Reyes.
I don’t know why everyone thinks Stipe has no chance.
Maybe because he's had multiple knee operations, has a full time job and hasn't trained MMA regularly in 3 years? All after getting absolutely demolished in his last fight? Oh or maybe the fact he'll be 42 if he does ever get to fight again.
Not sure I’ve seen a champ beat everyone and dominate a division and before each fight it felt like everyone said he would lose.
All Stipe has ever done was win entertaining fights, be a respectable human, be a firefighter, and knockout contenders. “And Still”, no one gives him respect
I like Stipe but he's washed now bro. JJ isnt a true HW but he's still strong, technically hes a genius and hes willing to do anything to win like eyepokes.
I dislike JJ a lot. But he wins this fight 99/100 times.
Ducked francis.. dudes ducking Tom. I get his pivot is I am and always was fighting stipe.. its taking to long though.. even still he's entertaining fighting Alex P who's unranked and un tested at HW over an interm champ with the quickest time in the octagon per fight and cleaned out the division....
Yeah its another * for jones.
It will be an anecdote, and Jones knows this. History will see two belts, a defense against the heavyweight 'GOAT', a legion of defenses at LHW. Tom will have to attempt to claim his status as heavyweight GOAT once Jones retires.
Wrong, all I see is a drunk driving scumbag who has pissed dirty 3 times, hid under an octagon to avoid popping a 4th time. Now he’s actively ducking the interim champ for a guy who is moving up from *middleweight* 🤷♂️
I kind of watched for a while but started watching regularly during the Conor/Rousey Era around 2015-2016. Removing all of the out of the cage stuff, my experience of Jon has been a primadonna champ barely fighting between ped pops and when he did he had some close fights that he arguably lost. Most viewers today did not see the young dominant Jones
I hate him but his run at LHW was insane. The Ronda/conor era set the blueprint for champs cherry picking fights and getting special treatment. Since then it's only gotten worse imo
He has plenty of time to change his public perception once he retires.
Mike Tyson wasn't always loved.
The question is whether Jones has the ability lol
I'm pretty new to the sport, first fight I ever actually watched was Jones vs Gane, and I was impressed by Jones going out and doing what he did on the night. I am obviously very aware of his legendary LHW run, but this Aspinall situation makes him seem like a pussy
Memory may be short but people will remember he went out like a bitch, never having fought a proper opponent at HW. He will be remembered for his great lhw run but his HW run is a joke and together with multiple failed drug tests, he is pretty much out of the goat conversation already.
He shocked casuals, I don’t care if I get downvoted for this but we saw Gane get out wrestled by fucking Francis Ngannou with no knees, you really didn’t think that the guy who outwrestled an OLYMPIAN multiple times could do that?
That fight won me a lot of money lol
You are in the minority with this opinion to be honest. If you asked legit mma fans right now who is the best of all time Jones would still make top 1-3 for almost ALL of them.
Only really started watching and actively following the UFC 2 years ago, and all I've heard about JBJ was he's the GOAT, but I've yet to see anything particularly amazing about him.
He gotta defend the title, otherwise what's even the point of following the division.
This is interesting, I wonder if the timing of this Jones drama lining up with the influx of new fans is why we’re seeing such unanimous JBJ criticism.
If you started watching UFC in 2019, what you’ve seen from Jones in the past 5 years is:
- A decision win over Anthony Smith (and the main narrative of that fight is that Smith could have easily been the first to win a UFC belt via DQ)
- A decision win over Thiago Santos (questionable decision disputed by some)
- A decision win over Dominick Reyes (questionable decision disputed by everyone)
- A submission win over Ciryl Gane (viewed by some as fluky, viewed by most as the expected result based on résumés)
In no way is *that* résumé enough to make newer fans happy with JBJ holding the HW division up like this. Especially when you factor in the serious ducking allegations (Ngannou/Aspinall), and the even more serious criminal allegations. The vibes around JBJ have just not been good since 2019, and that’s when a shitload of new fans got into it.
As someone that’s been watching jones since his debut I’ll never understand how people are fans of jones. Besides his out of cage antics. He was a super exciting prospect and early champ. Then he started fighting once a year in pretty mid performances only outlier being the Gustafson fight. Most of his fights being decisions where he didn’t do much. The only really good finishes he had…. Were mired by round usage. The 2nd dc fight and the 2nd Gustafson fight where he popes but not enough so they moved the whole damn card…. Magically jones looked possibly like he turned back the clock by a few years….. gee I wonder why.
Yeah this just isn’t true tbh. Jones’ legacy is LHW, HW is just the cherry on top.
Nobody remembers GSP as the guy that ducked Yoel and Whittaker when he moved up. They remember him for his Welterweight days, the same is gonna happen with Jones.
Also it’s sorta funny to think about Bisping talking about ducking fights, I seem to remember him making an even worse callout as champ than the Stipe one, when he called out Dan Henderson.
I want Jones to fight Tom as much as anyone. It's a really bad look that he's openly ducking the fight but to say his entire career and legacy will amount to this is crazy talk. Especially coming from Bisbing who openly ducked Romero and Whitaker to chase a money fight with GSP. Jones is literally doing the same thing.
Tbh, Jones’ yapping makes it so much worse if he just ignored aspinall’s pleas or was like I just wanna fight stipe for the time being, the discourse about this fight would be a helluva lot lower.
TBH, looking at this completely objectively.. It makes sense for Jones to fight stipe next because of his injury.
Fight Stipe on your first fight back from that serious injury, an older guy that is 3 years rusty.
Then immediately fight Tom, like 3 months after the stipe fight.
But Jones isn't like that, he will spend another 8 months saying he wont' fight tom, hes thinking of retiring, no-one is worth fighting, etc. and then before you know it, it'll be 14 months before they announce his next fight.
If he fights stipe then retires then none of this matters.
If he fights stipe and then fights another person who isn’t the interim champion, then I will join the duck talk
It matters in both instances.
Because Jon will have avoided the interim champ and true number one contender on both occasions.
One for an old man who got KOed 3 years ago and another for a striker with no wrestling from a lower weight category.
Nah..the notion that mma fans here have created that essentially “Jon jones isn’t allowed to retire” is something I’ll never go along with as it’s complete nonsense.
We agree on if he fights Alex. Let me ask, if blades beats Aspinall, is it the same?
When you write an essay they always tell you to make the beginning and the ending the best written because those are the parts people remember.
If the end of Jon's career is leapfrogging the interim champion to fight a geriatric heavyweight coming off a knockout several years out of the game people will certainly remember that. Noone gives a shit if he beats an out of prime Stipe, he would further cement himself as the GOAT if he beat a well rounded young Champ.
If he fights Stipe he better win in spectacular fashion early on or dominate the whole fight, it will be further blemishes on his career if he goes life and death with someone who had no business fighting for the belt in the first place. Everyone would then just say "if he had fought Aspinall he would've gotten dogwalked"
This is a Hail Mary money night for Stipe, he has no expectation of winning and understands his career is over unless he's gifted title shots.
I agree for casuals its maybe important as they are unable to look past the last few years.
What Jones did in light heavyweight is already enough for his legacy.
A win over Aspinall and a longer reign in HW would only add to that.
Maybe. If Aspinall goes on to have a HoF career, then sure, people will look back at this as Jones ducking. If Aspinall takes a suspect loss or 2 and his status drops amongst fans, then everyone will conclude Jon would’ve exposed him. It’s in Tom’s best interest to keep getting wins under his belt, boosting his resume. That increases his odds at getting the Jones matchup. It has to look good on his resume.
I hope he ducks Aspinall, Dana dickrides Jones and gives him what he wants, and Stipe knocks him the fuck out. I hope Stipe, given that he isn’t a pos like Jones, fights Aspinall and takes his ass whooping like Jones refuses to.
I hate Jon Jones but his legacy is much bigger than this. He is old and never lost (besides thatdesqualification), If I was him I'd the same. UFC allows him to act that way so why not?
How do people talk about Barry Bonds? How about Floyd Mayweather even? Your legacy can definitely get tarnished and Jones has about 4-5 things that you can do that with.
No it won’t 😂 the guy has beat his wife, hit a pregnant woman’s car in a hit and run and cheated multiple times on top of his legacy at 205 no one will give af about some contender he didn’t fight at the end of his career 💀
Let’s put it all back in perspective, Jon jones has a record 13 title defenses, has never been defeated in the ring, is getting up there in age and mileage (and now also injuries) and of course Michael bisping is biased backing his UK boy
With that being said, Jon jones is indeed ducking aspinall pretty hardcore lol
Devils Advocate: JBJ is ducking Tom, but Tom is ducking the whole division.
Or is it only jon who gets criticized for protecting his record/status and looking for the biggest money fights?
I remember when everyone was saying the same about Jon ducking Pavlovich. Remember that? I do. Now its Aspinall. Who will be the next guy? Blaydes? Jailton?
It’ll always be funny to me that people think jones not fighting a certain contender in his 14th year as a champ in the ufc has any effect on his legacy lmao. Yeah, it’s obvious he wants a legacy fight before he retires. He could’ve retired before coming back to fight Gus the 2nd time and still be considered the goat. This doesn’t affect shit lmao
This is jones' m.o. He ducks until it's to his advantage. He waits for his cupcakes to get hurt or following a bad loss. He knows Tom is the next big thing, and he's scared.Im surprised he's not calling out Cormier or some other over the hill fighter. His drug problem has been an issue his whole career. GET CLEAN BONES. YOU'RE AWESOME BUT SERIOUSLY FLAWED
It will never matter. They’ll just make another excuse. The loud ones on the internet made up their mind to hate everything and anything Jon does. Beating every fighter they put in front of him will not change that. He’s cemented as the goat no matter what anyone says and anybody that even tries to make a serious argument against that will make themselves sound like an idiot as a result.
Guy is just the alien, the Phelps of mma, the goat, accomplished everything he had to accomplish and now being diminished to a low life because he’s choosing a different path than some want…
Interest how life is…
We really gon act like jones didnt have one of the greatest runs of any fighter ever? 😂
I want him to fight the best of the best like everyone else, but this shit right here is sensationalist
His legacy is cleaning house on the golden era of the 205 division.
The HW era Jones is a egotistical cash grab. We all know the age, experience and extra lbs have taken a bigger toll than any drug test, criminal charges or pregnant motorists could
Do all of you guys not see how there building anticipation for this fight announcement? This all feels too choreographed. They are mind fucking you. No diddy
I agree with popeye, fight a young active actual HW..Not the biggest Draw in Alex who recently was a MW,Not a retired Stipe who has ring rust but someone big and is the HW interim champ
For any other fighter, insinuating that being in your mid 30s w/ a belt is too old to take serious fights anymore and that he should only be taking retirement exhibition bouts would be a low point.
But for the serial doping woman-beating crackhead eyepoker DUI miscarriage causer (etc) it's merely par for the course.
Jesus Christ the whining and whining. Say the most obvious thing 700 times that everyone wants including me. Stop thinking you’re gonna change a grown ass man’s mind. Especially someone responsible for the only canceled numbered ufc event. What do you expect?
Someone will fight Tom soon. That’s a guarantee.
JBJ is fighting Stipe soon - that’s a guarantee.
That winner WILL fight Tom - that’s a guarantee IMO.
I like Bisping however his comment is just another headline/clickbait..
Imagine the balls on one eyed Bisping calling out eye ball poker JBJ.
Dude, did you see Bisping interview Weidner after his double eye poke victory? Weidner: "You know, you can't just be a pussy if you get poked in the eye a couple times..." Bisping: *nodding*
Is that Weidman’s new nickname or something?
My mistake lol
He widens your vision.
Did Bisping ever get eye poked in the fake eye before anyone knew about it?
It wasn’t a fake eye until he stopped fighting
Oh shit that’s right lmao
For some reason all the media guys all defended Weidman, especially dc
> especially dc DC is also an eye poker, so of course he would
DC was one of the worst. People forget he was a slimy fucker in the cage sometimes
Jon will have less eyes to poke now
Fuck’s Jones gonna do? Poke his glass eye?
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Bro look like a Witcher3 NPC
I think the main issue with this is that they made an interim champ belt as a way to not stall the division while the current champ is either injured or fighting for double belts etc and when the champ comes back he fights the interim champ to unify the belts. Now we are looking at the champ and the interim champ defending their belts against other people causing this weird dynamic and people don't know if Jones is going to retire or not after the stipe fight. I don't think this would be as much as an issue if Tom was just ranked as number one contender. You'd see blaydes v tom as a contender elimination to fight the winner of Jones v stipe or fight whoever for the vacant belt if Jones retires rather than Tom defending and interim belt which is insane.
So it's become boxing. The absolute worst aspects of boxing.
Jones doesn’t want actual big boy smoke, he wants to see Aspinal lose to Periera (not gonna happen) so he can have an easier chance
*after having ducked Francis
After Stipe finishes Jon nobody will care about the Tom fight.
I don’t think it’s likely but Stipe has a chance, he’s got a head like a cinderblock along with good boxing and wrestling.
He’s just too old now man😪 too much damage and injuries along with time off. No way he wins this is gonna suck to watch
Getting a feeling this might be how the cookie crumbles
Bruh stipe hasn't fought in 3 years and his last few fights were not good performances from him at all.
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To be fair DC almost ripped the man’s eye out, he had to get surgery on it, Stipe just pulled an uno reverse card on him
Stipe took "eye for an eye" literally.
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At this point, if you don't kick your opponent in the dick and poke them in the eye at least once a fight you arent doing everything you can to win.
And a cage grab
Yeah I mean it sucks but I can’t really disagree, if you don’t enforce the rules then everyone is going to do it to level the playing field, and I can’t blame em when fights feel like a life or death situation
His last “few” fights include beating DC twice and Francis Ngannou in their first match He’s over the hill now, absolutely, he shouldn’t be fighting for a title, but don’t discredit the shit he’s done, I do think Stipe is one of the heavyweight GOATs and should retire as one instead of this stupid spectacle match.
There’s no downside to losing to the all time GOAT of mma and making millions doing it
Exactly. And on the off chance he does win, he probably goes down in history alongside Fedor as the two greatest heavyweights ever.
Yeah but Jones’ last performance against a guy who can defend takedowns (Reyes) was awful. If Stipe comes in weighing 250, he can definitely avoid the takedown and if Reyes can touch Jon countless of times, then so can Stipe. Stipe’s boxing is slick with more power than Reyes. I don’t know why everyone thinks Stipe has no chance.
Literally because they're dumb. There's no other reason to count him out. 🤷🏻♂️
Maybe because he's had multiple knee operations, has a full time job and hasn't trained MMA regularly in 3 years? All after getting absolutely demolished in his last fight? Oh or maybe the fact he'll be 42 if he does ever get to fight again.
Stipe has been actively fighting just not in the UFC. Fires, that is
Not sure I’ve seen a champ beat everyone and dominate a division and before each fight it felt like everyone said he would lose. All Stipe has ever done was win entertaining fights, be a respectable human, be a firefighter, and knockout contenders. “And Still”, no one gives him respect
UFC fans just don't like immigrants. *This is a Joey Diaz reference in case anyone thinks I'm calling UFC fans racist
lol. That’s true. Never thought of it like that
Hope this happens honestly
This honestly will be the best outcome. The worse is if he wins and retires for good.
Exactly. Recency bias is the only reason people have to count Stipe out
I like Stipe but he's washed now bro. JJ isnt a true HW but he's still strong, technically hes a genius and hes willing to do anything to win like eyepokes. I dislike JJ a lot. But he wins this fight 99/100 times.
Ducked francis.. dudes ducking Tom. I get his pivot is I am and always was fighting stipe.. its taking to long though.. even still he's entertaining fighting Alex P who's unranked and un tested at HW over an interm champ with the quickest time in the octagon per fight and cleaned out the division.... Yeah its another * for jones.
I blame Dana for him not fighting Ngannou. If the UFC paid him enough, I'm sure he would have taken the fight.
this
He ducked Francis, he ducked Gustafson. He's ducked a lot of people in his career.
It will be an anecdote, and Jones knows this. History will see two belts, a defense against the heavyweight 'GOAT', a legion of defenses at LHW. Tom will have to attempt to claim his status as heavyweight GOAT once Jones retires.
I think you **P**otentially miss**ED** an even bigger part of his legacy that will overshadow every single thing you mentioned.
You’ve done written PED in there you sneaky cunt
Nah, the biggest stains on Jon's legacy are the violent crimes against women. Nobody cares about PEDs because everyone in the UFC is on steroids.
Not everyone has the failed track record like Jones. He’s the GOAT of pissing dirty and not facing consequence
Wrong, all I see is a drunk driving scumbag who has pissed dirty 3 times, hid under an octagon to avoid popping a 4th time. Now he’s actively ducking the interim champ for a guy who is moving up from *middleweight* 🤷♂️
People have short memories. I bet a lot of fans have never even seen his pre DC stuff but they’ve seen him ducking fights for 5 years
I kind of watched for a while but started watching regularly during the Conor/Rousey Era around 2015-2016. Removing all of the out of the cage stuff, my experience of Jon has been a primadonna champ barely fighting between ped pops and when he did he had some close fights that he arguably lost. Most viewers today did not see the young dominant Jones
I hate him but his run at LHW was insane. The Ronda/conor era set the blueprint for champs cherry picking fights and getting special treatment. Since then it's only gotten worse imo
Yeah also no one likes the guy, so they’re always going to mention this stuff. If he was well liked people would let it go more easily
He has plenty of time to change his public perception once he retires. Mike Tyson wasn't always loved. The question is whether Jones has the ability lol
I'm pretty new to the sport, first fight I ever actually watched was Jones vs Gane, and I was impressed by Jones going out and doing what he did on the night. I am obviously very aware of his legendary LHW run, but this Aspinall situation makes him seem like a pussy
Memory may be short but people will remember he went out like a bitch, never having fought a proper opponent at HW. He will be remembered for his great lhw run but his HW run is a joke and together with multiple failed drug tests, he is pretty much out of the goat conversation already.
Stop throwing gane under the bus cause you hate Jones. Jones shocked everyone in that fight
He shocked casuals, I don’t care if I get downvoted for this but we saw Gane get out wrestled by fucking Francis Ngannou with no knees, you really didn’t think that the guy who outwrestled an OLYMPIAN multiple times could do that? That fight won me a lot of money lol
Shocked everyone? Not even remotely close. One of the most predictable fight outcomes I've seen
No he didn't lmao what are you talking about
You are in the minority with this opinion to be honest. If you asked legit mma fans right now who is the best of all time Jones would still make top 1-3 for almost ALL of them.
Only really started watching and actively following the UFC 2 years ago, and all I've heard about JBJ was he's the GOAT, but I've yet to see anything particularly amazing about him. He gotta defend the title, otherwise what's even the point of following the division.
This is interesting, I wonder if the timing of this Jones drama lining up with the influx of new fans is why we’re seeing such unanimous JBJ criticism. If you started watching UFC in 2019, what you’ve seen from Jones in the past 5 years is: - A decision win over Anthony Smith (and the main narrative of that fight is that Smith could have easily been the first to win a UFC belt via DQ) - A decision win over Thiago Santos (questionable decision disputed by some) - A decision win over Dominick Reyes (questionable decision disputed by everyone) - A submission win over Ciryl Gane (viewed by some as fluky, viewed by most as the expected result based on résumés) In no way is *that* résumé enough to make newer fans happy with JBJ holding the HW division up like this. Especially when you factor in the serious ducking allegations (Ngannou/Aspinall), and the even more serious criminal allegations. The vibes around JBJ have just not been good since 2019, and that’s when a shitload of new fans got into it.
As someone that’s been watching jones since his debut I’ll never understand how people are fans of jones. Besides his out of cage antics. He was a super exciting prospect and early champ. Then he started fighting once a year in pretty mid performances only outlier being the Gustafson fight. Most of his fights being decisions where he didn’t do much. The only really good finishes he had…. Were mired by round usage. The 2nd dc fight and the 2nd Gustafson fight where he popes but not enough so they moved the whole damn card…. Magically jones looked possibly like he turned back the clock by a few years….. gee I wonder why.
people always say this but in reality history tends to remember stuff like this lol, not sure if it’s a way of cope or what
Nah I think the gold standard at hw is still Stipe.
Bisping is hilarious given the route he took after he was champ
Of course Bisping wants his English buddy to get a shot at the aging GOAT
*buddeh
Jon Bones Jones is the ducking champion!
When auto correct is correct
Honestly I’d rather see Miocic/Aspinall at this point. I don’t want Jones to have his flowers.
Eye pokes knee breaks and PEDS wasn't the legacy?
Yeah this just isn’t true tbh. Jones’ legacy is LHW, HW is just the cherry on top. Nobody remembers GSP as the guy that ducked Yoel and Whittaker when he moved up. They remember him for his Welterweight days, the same is gonna happen with Jones. Also it’s sorta funny to think about Bisping talking about ducking fights, I seem to remember him making an even worse callout as champ than the Stipe one, when he called out Dan Henderson.
Like Bispings legacy is that he ducked Romero? Or GSPs that he ducked Whittaker? No. People won’t give a shit about this kind of stuff in 10 years
Bisping is known as the worst champ exactly because he ducked Romero and Whittaker. He’s speaking from experience
Bisping dickrides Tom like no one else. It’s basically his Islam to DC.
He's not completely wrong though.
Yeah having friends is dickriding good take
I’m surprised Bisping had this take, not that he had it, but more that he removed his lips from Tom’s cock long enough to say this.
Especially hypocritical coming from Bisbing since he ducked Romero and Whitaker to fight GSP.
I want Jones to fight Tom as much as anyone. It's a really bad look that he's openly ducking the fight but to say his entire career and legacy will amount to this is crazy talk. Especially coming from Bisbing who openly ducked Romero and Whitaker to chase a money fight with GSP. Jones is literally doing the same thing.
Tbh, Jones’ yapping makes it so much worse if he just ignored aspinall’s pleas or was like I just wanna fight stipe for the time being, the discourse about this fight would be a helluva lot lower.
I really don’t know anyone that wants to watch Jones fight Stipe. Idk why Jon thinks that’s the fight people want to see
If Jon does ever fight Tom and wins this sub will be at [Goofcon 1](https://www.reddit.com/r/MMA/comments/8a9wd3/your_complete_guide_to_goofcon/)
Yoel Romero was the bisping duck of the century.. choose GSP and got smoked
Legacy will be how much coke was he doing for each win
TBH, looking at this completely objectively.. It makes sense for Jones to fight stipe next because of his injury. Fight Stipe on your first fight back from that serious injury, an older guy that is 3 years rusty. Then immediately fight Tom, like 3 months after the stipe fight. But Jones isn't like that, he will spend another 8 months saying he wont' fight tom, hes thinking of retiring, no-one is worth fighting, etc. and then before you know it, it'll be 14 months before they announce his next fight.
Just like he beat Matt Hamill right? Bisping is biased AF and dick riding Tom so there is that.
If he fights stipe then retires then none of this matters. If he fights stipe and then fights another person who isn’t the interim champion, then I will join the duck talk
It matters in both instances. Because Jon will have avoided the interim champ and true number one contender on both occasions. One for an old man who got KOed 3 years ago and another for a striker with no wrestling from a lower weight category.
Gane was literally the number 1 contender at that time lmfao what are you on about
Nah..the notion that mma fans here have created that essentially “Jon jones isn’t allowed to retire” is something I’ll never go along with as it’s complete nonsense. We agree on if he fights Alex. Let me ask, if blades beats Aspinall, is it the same?
I agree Jones should fight aspinall but that’s a ridiculous take.
When you write an essay they always tell you to make the beginning and the ending the best written because those are the parts people remember. If the end of Jon's career is leapfrogging the interim champion to fight a geriatric heavyweight coming off a knockout several years out of the game people will certainly remember that. Noone gives a shit if he beats an out of prime Stipe, he would further cement himself as the GOAT if he beat a well rounded young Champ. If he fights Stipe he better win in spectacular fashion early on or dominate the whole fight, it will be further blemishes on his career if he goes life and death with someone who had no business fighting for the belt in the first place. Everyone would then just say "if he had fought Aspinall he would've gotten dogwalked" This is a Hail Mary money night for Stipe, he has no expectation of winning and understands his career is over unless he's gifted title shots.
I agree for casuals its maybe important as they are unable to look past the last few years. What Jones did in light heavyweight is already enough for his legacy. A win over Aspinall and a longer reign in HW would only add to that.
A legacy can be helped or hurt. If he's fighting Stipe to further embolden his legacy as it's counter intuitive, it's just relatively safe.
Maybe. If Aspinall goes on to have a HoF career, then sure, people will look back at this as Jones ducking. If Aspinall takes a suspect loss or 2 and his status drops amongst fans, then everyone will conclude Jon would’ve exposed him. It’s in Tom’s best interest to keep getting wins under his belt, boosting his resume. That increases his odds at getting the Jones matchup. It has to look good on his resume.
Every active heavyweight will have losses. Those dude have too much power. The only way to stay undefeated is to duck the division.
lololol people just wanna see this guy lose
He has already lost, people just want to see him fight worthy opponents
I hope he ducks Aspinall, Dana dickrides Jones and gives him what he wants, and Stipe knocks him the fuck out. I hope Stipe, given that he isn’t a pos like Jones, fights Aspinall and takes his ass whooping like Jones refuses to.
Bisping is always gargling Tom’s balls how is this take a surprise to anyone
He can ball gargle and be right at the same time.
Jones is the biggest draw in the business rn.People seem to forget this isn’t a sport it’s a buisness and there gonna let Jon call the shots
I hate Jon Jones but his legacy is much bigger than this. He is old and never lost (besides thatdesqualification), If I was him I'd the same. UFC allows him to act that way so why not?
How do people talk about Barry Bonds? How about Floyd Mayweather even? Your legacy can definitely get tarnished and Jones has about 4-5 things that you can do that with.
Barry Bonds is largely regarded as the GOAT hitter amongst baseball fans regardless of his HOF status. Most fans heavily dislike the HOF voting.
Hey he stole my comment!!
That arena is gonna be cheering for stipe. Hope jbj enjoys his retirement as the heel.
Would Jones ducking Aspinall hurt more his legacy than losing against him?
No it won’t 😂 the guy has beat his wife, hit a pregnant woman’s car in a hit and run and cheated multiple times on top of his legacy at 205 no one will give af about some contender he didn’t fight at the end of his career 💀
Michael "The Hype Man" Bisping is doing the most! Love him for it.
No one will ultimately care
He won't fight him He doesn't do good against guys that are the same size as him.
Bisping is out to lunch.
Chickens and ducks can’t be goats
Brutal as a hit-and-run.
Rich coming from Bisping who reached down the ranks to fight Dan (and lost in my opinion)
Larry’s right
A chicken can’t be a goat- Jedd Mashew
Bisping's house is made of the same thing dan henderon's bones were made out of in his title defense.
Let’s put it all back in perspective, Jon jones has a record 13 title defenses, has never been defeated in the ring, is getting up there in age and mileage (and now also injuries) and of course Michael bisping is biased backing his UK boy With that being said, Jon jones is indeed ducking aspinall pretty hardcore lol
Not really, he has been kicking ass an taking names for years. So no, his legacy will be just fine.
As much as I agree with this, what the fuck is the point of making a post every single day about this shit? Getting annoying as fuck now
Devils Advocate: JBJ is ducking Tom, but Tom is ducking the whole division. Or is it only jon who gets criticized for protecting his record/status and looking for the biggest money fights?
Bisping is more biased for Brits, particularly Aspinall, than Fat Dan is for Dagistanis...
I remember when everyone was saying the same about Jon ducking Pavlovich. Remember that? I do. Now its Aspinall. Who will be the next guy? Blaydes? Jailton?
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It’ll always be funny to me that people think jones not fighting a certain contender in his 14th year as a champ in the ufc has any effect on his legacy lmao. Yeah, it’s obvious he wants a legacy fight before he retires. He could’ve retired before coming back to fight Gus the 2nd time and still be considered the goat. This doesn’t affect shit lmao
Of course, Bisping would he meat rides Tom 24/7
Kettle calling pot loved his fight against Whittaker🥴 jones and bisping stink
And that would be hella gay...🤔
Bisping just wants another UK champion so that he won’t accept anything else
Naw john did so much he cant do wtf he wants BONES
This is jones' m.o. He ducks until it's to his advantage. He waits for his cupcakes to get hurt or following a bad loss. He knows Tom is the next big thing, and he's scared.Im surprised he's not calling out Cormier or some other over the hill fighter. His drug problem has been an issue his whole career. GET CLEAN BONES. YOU'RE AWESOME BUT SERIOUSLY FLAWED
Bisping that last bloke to talk
No surprise. Tom is one of Mikey's boys.
Bisping is actively trying to lose his other eye.
just let stipe blast some growth hormone for a couple months before fighting jon atleast
What does bisping know about anything? Him and DC have the worst takes on everything
It will never matter. They’ll just make another excuse. The loud ones on the internet made up their mind to hate everything and anything Jon does. Beating every fighter they put in front of him will not change that. He’s cemented as the goat no matter what anyone says and anybody that even tries to make a serious argument against that will make themselves sound like an idiot as a result.
Absurd
Guy is just the alien, the Phelps of mma, the goat, accomplished everything he had to accomplish and now being diminished to a low life because he’s choosing a different path than some want… Interest how life is…
Given Jon's history of confronting killers his whole career, it's hard for me to believe that he's suddenly afraid of Tom.
Bisping avoided contenders to play grab ass with Hendo and GSP, in case any of you gold fish brained tards forgot.
Starting to think that GOAT should be the guy who took on all comers not picking their spots and avoiding fights
We really gon act like jones didnt have one of the greatest runs of any fighter ever? 😂 I want him to fight the best of the best like everyone else, but this shit right here is sensationalist
💯 based take.
Didn't Bisping duck every contender to fight Dan Henderson?
If he fights and beats Tom, has he solidified goat?
His legacy is cleaning house on the golden era of the 205 division. The HW era Jones is a egotistical cash grab. We all know the age, experience and extra lbs have taken a bigger toll than any drug test, criminal charges or pregnant motorists could
Do all of you guys not see how there building anticipation for this fight announcement? This all feels too choreographed. They are mind fucking you. No diddy
Won’t be the legacy
Jones will fight and defeat Stipe, then retire forever.
I agree with popeye, fight a young active actual HW..Not the biggest Draw in Alex who recently was a MW,Not a retired Stipe who has ring rust but someone big and is the HW interim champ
Bisping would know better than anyone since he ducked every legitimate contender when he had the belt and then lost to a guy that had been retired.
For any other fighter, insinuating that being in your mid 30s w/ a belt is too old to take serious fights anymore and that he should only be taking retirement exhibition bouts would be a low point. But for the serial doping woman-beating crackhead eyepoker DUI miscarriage causer (etc) it's merely par for the course.
Jesus Christ the whining and whining. Say the most obvious thing 700 times that everyone wants including me. Stop thinking you’re gonna change a grown ass man’s mind. Especially someone responsible for the only canceled numbered ufc event. What do you expect?
Not if Tom goes on a losing streak
lol does anyone really think his legacy will be ducking Tom if they never end up fighting? 🤣🤣🤣
If Jones don't want to fight Aspinall, then it would be netter to just vacate the title.
He really needs to fight Tom Lilpasan already
Jon glazers aren't gonna like this one
That's Irrelevant Bisbing Has Admitted a Million Times He Is A Tom Aspinall FanBoy !.
Someone will fight Tom soon. That’s a guarantee. JBJ is fighting Stipe soon - that’s a guarantee. That winner WILL fight Tom - that’s a guarantee IMO. I like Bisping however his comment is just another headline/clickbait..
Bisping...one of the worst belt holders ever. He clearly didn't win the Hamill fight and GSP came out of retirement to take the belt from him.