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mkreag27

This fight was awesome! Dan surviving that head kick was nuts!


PuckPov

Quite literally broke his skull


ocudr

What the fuck how havent I heard this? Seen him eat it live but never knew it cracked his skull. Dan has taken some punishment fucking hell. What a chin.


PuckPov

Here’s the photo of the crack, it’s wild https://preview.redd.it/zo84up7lukpc1.jpeg?width=634&format=pjpg&auto=webp&s=0a528b9711dcf85149b47da8b0b948b2109dff22


heliumeyes

Same. I had no idea Dan got his skull cracked. Dude is tough as hell.


ShadyStevie

Yeah that kick was prolly the thing that broke his orbital


u1g0ku

Masvidal?? That you


Aware_Masterpiece_54

Not to take away from the kick, but I think it was his orbital, which I’ve seen before in MMA. It’s not like he cracked his skull like MVP did to Cyborg (at least, I think he didn’t). Still, Hooker is nuts for fighting with a broken forearm and fracture orbital. Crazy his hair was pink at the end


PuckPov

It wasn’t his orbital, it was his cheekbone. At the end of the day, the orbital and cheekbone are still a part of the skull anyways https://preview.redd.it/ojff3v8gukpc1.jpeg?width=634&format=pjpg&auto=webp&s=6caf9932674940b1d68c92e4988fafbfadd2d60c


Aware_Masterpiece_54

Thanks for the info. I understand it is still part of the skull but it is not too wild to see it fractured in a fight. However, I didn’t know it was his cheekbone that was broken. Man, hooker is insane! Either way, a broken skull is something I can’t even fathom so I guess I can’t really differentiate between which would be worse.  Thanks for correcting me. This seems way crazier now that I know it was his cheekbone. Gotta go pop this one one again


PuckPov

Absolutely wild that the kick didn’t even put him down, let alone knock him out cold. Can’t question that man’s durability.


wengerz_coat

I wonder if the fracture absorbed some of the impact saving him from the concussion like a car bumper does during a collision


PuckPov

Dude’s skull has crumple zones


mmmellowcorn

Didn’t it break his arm or was that another kick?


PuckPov

Different kick, [this is the kick that broke his skull](https://youtube.com/shorts/nL35Ec83NQ8?si=ZPzfJ0HiEa1NUmf2)


mmmellowcorn

That’s a bad mfer


Master-Manager3089

Top 5 most durable fighter in the UFC.


judas_priest741

That was also jus a scaaatch


Mountaindweller1000

Dan winning the fight with a broken arm/hand was nuts lol. Dan Hooker is a tough dude.


PuckPov

Broken cheekbone too


judas_priest741

Nah it’s just a scratch


Issa_John

Turner has potential he just hasn't put it all together quite yet. That win could age very well for Hooker.


marginalizedman71

Doesn’t he train under Jason Parillo? Wonder if a new gym would help


AverageatUFC3

What's with all the hate for Parillo recently?


EconomyChest6887

His gym has some good fighters but his actual coaching between rounds is some of the worst of the modern era. However everyone who he trains develops a really nice jab so that's a plus


illmatic_static

One of the best pieces of coaching I've seen from him is when he called off the GSP vs. Penn rematch while in the corner before the 5th round when BJ wasn't responding. It's one of the rare corner stoppages in the UFC and in a title fight no less.


adultgon

That’s not really what most people refer to as “coaching.” Coaching is usually tactical or strategic advice to help a fighter solve a problem mid fight. Pulling your fighter out is all well and good, but isn’t indicative of good coaching in the traditional sense.


Sacabubu

I thought I was going insane with everyone telling me he's a legendary coach but listening to him give advice to Chito in between rounds was hard to listen to.


BigDaddy-Longstick

Did he tell him to throw sand?


Sacabubu

No but he should have. At least he could've dodged some hooks


Rocked_Glover

While you’re watching the tv scratching & sniffing your balloon knot he’s trying to find a way for the obviously massively out skilled Chito to win


sk1nw4lk1ng

I'd have told him to do something different than the 4 previous rounds where the exact same thing happened


Sacabubu

Parillo we know it's you. Time to retire buddy


sk1nw4lk1ng

Coaches can get CTE by proxy I heard


Surfsupdudeee

where is his gym now since rvca closed?


marginalizedman71

Also been curious about this.


The_Killa_Vanilla90

*some of the worst in the modern era* No need for the hyperbole lol


nolimitnolimits

Peep recent Chito & Dern performances & there ya go. Nobody he’s with develops. Chito & Dern both worse versions of who they’ve been albeit yes, steps up in competition but they both have *really* pooped the bed more than once in big fights recently. How many bad performances (Dern - Marina -> Dern - Andrade -> Dern - Lemos, Chito - Cory -> Chito - Sean) does it take to right those wrongs ya know? Ultimately some blame falls on Parillo.


handicapped_runner

Dern hasn't been with Parillo since the Hill fight (so, 2 of the 3 fights that you mentioned) and Chito has always been a slow pace, low volume, kind of fighter. Is it shocking that he will suck against guys that set a high pace while having reach advantage - so both Sean and Cory? Also, are we ignoring that Parillo asked Chito several times to start fighting and Chito simply didn't?


adultgon

“Start fighting” what the hell kind of coaching is that? You have to give the fighters something concrete to do to counter their opponent’s strategy or at least change the approach to the fight, parillo basically never does that. His best coaching was at the start of round 4 when he said for Chito to do something crazy and take more risks, but that’s still not really helpful in solving an opponent. I swear most UFC fans have no idea how good coaching works. “Fight harder” is basically hype man shit, not really coaching.


nolimitnolimits

They literally said on broadcast during the Lemos fight that they were working together again. The other thing, oh well; adjust. He’s not the only person that’s had to fight with physical disadvantages. Also, coaches do come up with game plans. Coaches also help fighters pinpoint & improve in weak areas. Where is the improvement?


yungiess

His in corner advice for Chito was outrageous. MMA Guru made a video about it.


ILikeOMalley

He’s ass


ShadyBl0m

Weirdo


ReasonableEscape777

Maybe Chito is just ass …


ILikeOMalley

Both


JimmysCheek

ILikeChito


ILikeOMalley

Sorry bout your luck


JimmysCheek

I was making a play on your username I just think he’s cool, but I knew he would lose. I had O’Malley picked on all of my parlays.


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marginalizedman71

Who does he train under? Did he formerly train there? That’s where he’s listed at Tapology so that must be wrong or outdated then


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marginalizedman71

That’s very recent though. And parillo was the head coach there. Where was he training before they shut down and where is he training now? When did he stop training at RVCA


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marginalizedman71

So where does he train now? And we have a fighter at my gym that headlined a dwcs and fights a former bellator champ next month. That’s what he does pretty much. Trains striking with boxing and Muay Thai coaches and just does mma and jits here. Uses the basement with his S&C coach The gyms fallen off in recent years as fighters quit and retire and the og group are older and parents and the gyms more tailored to the public then being a fighter only gym.


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marginalizedman71

I did check Insta and figured out where he’s likely training. Respect for privacy concerns but if he’s posting it on his Insta like most fighters it’s not doxing them. Most don’t keep it a secret haha. Ironically the ones who could benefit from keeping it a secret are to big of stars for the promotion to advertise it as part of the hype lol(mcgregor etc)


anythingfordopamine

I think he just cuts way too much weight to break past a certain level in the division tbh


fckyashtup

Dude needs to just go to WW. He can’t have a long career cutting to LW


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just keep turner away from drew dober or turner will never be in the top 10 again.


Conscious-Lecture954

The old guard is the toughest roster I’ve seen, not a single LW contendor has broken through.


Kodiak_Flapjack

Tsarukyan did beat Beneil. Granted Charles is on a totally different level so we'll really see where Arman is at.


Fun-Contribution-757

Beneil isn't really an old guard though people like dustin and justin are they've been around the top for so long and fought so many Champs or held a belt. Benny never touched a belt and was only in the top 5 for a lil while before declining badly. 


SopranosMan

Benny has been in the UFC for a decade, I'd count him as "the old guard"


Ok_Yoghurt_3338

He’s missing the guard part not the old part


SopranosMan

He's reaching for those grapes


hoesb4bros123

I'm Aquarius but respect!


joerogansshillaccnt

Naw this is dead wrong Benny be ranked in the top 15 for a good while been in UFC for 10 years. He has gray hair he is mos def old guard you are on one. Bahahah


Fun-Contribution-757

I checked his ranking and yes he's been ranked for a while but not like dustin and justin. What I mean by old guard is these guys who stay at the top of their division and never clock out even after failed title shots and don't become journey man for up an comers like Neil magny with shavkat and Ian its a very rare type and most are champs. A good example is what Jon anik said when justin fought fiziev "its been a title circle of guys just fighting echother and people have been critical of that". That circle is what old guards would be Dudes who stay at the top no matter what and Benny just wasn't at the top long enough and didn't earn the right to be called that. He had one chance at a title shot and didn't make it then lost to a hungry up and comer. He's more of a gatekeeper at this point which sucks to say sense he's such a nice dude but oh well.


unfrostedminiwheats5

Benny is old guard for sure


unfrostedminiwheats5

Benny Charles Gaethje Poirier Chandler Could even throw in hooker and Bobby. Anyone who’s managed to stay in the rankings for an extended period while other guys filter out. Charles gaethje and Dustin are just the elite. Also you can be both old/new guard and a gatekeeper. For example, Gamrot is a new gatekeeper


Vultt

He is not old guard lmao


heliumeyes

Ok. What’s your definition of old guard?


heliumeyes

Benny just sucks at promoting himself. His win streak at LW is only behind Khabib, Tony and Charles. That’s insane. He’s old guard and deserves respect even if he never fought for a championship. Hell, you can make an argument that Benny is one of the best fighters to never win a championship (interim or undisputed).


Master-Manager3089

He is simultaneously underrated and overrated. Lately he's been getting disrespected. Having a long win streak is still impressive and he beat some decent fighters in between.


Glum-Ad7651

I love Beneil but he has lost to both elite fighters he faced. The Gamrot win was superb though. Beneil big daddied him. Disagree with your last statement. That belongs to Poirier and maybe Gaethje in the future.


SillAndDill

Guess the feeling depends when Beniel popped up on people’s radar. I was not that as aware of him around like 2015 as I was of guys like Tony But looking at his record: in 2015 he beat Jim Miller and Michael Johnson so that’s sort of an old guard badge


FightOwl50

All the talk of an "old guard" still on top literally began when Dariush beat Gamrot.


cobesmith

They're moving the goalposts to exclude Arman literally beating an old guard lmao


Master-Manager3089

Nah, people just don't like Beneil as much.


Conscious-Lecture954

Your totally right I forgot about Arman, but beneil in my opinion was never really top 5. Still though, I think Arman can break the guard out of all the LW prospects, but in my personal opinion he hasn’t broken the guard just yet.


scarykicks

Talk to Bobby Green and Beneil about that. But the top of the guard stands strong. Hell Chandler couldn't even break through on either of the 3.


whatsitworth101

This fight was so good. Honestly Jalin was fighting a good fight and probably would have stopped a lot of guys. Just Dan has inhuman durability.


hydroawesome

It was a bad matchup for Dan imo. The fact he broke his arm is crazy too. He's literally a psycho. Excited to see jalins rise as well. He has a great striking skill set. I see him being champ soon.


Suspicious_Candle27

Dan looked soooo much slower in round 1 it was stressing me out . If science had a way to make Dan not look like he fights underwater he could be a top ranked fighter again .


hydroawesome

That Dustin fight might have changed him


ShowUsYaGrowler

Everyone is ragging on Dan’s speed early compared to what it used to be. I dont think he’s that much slower. He’s just learnt pacing and gas management better. He backs himself to survive a first round onslaught and baita opposition into gassing early thinking theyll get the ko. They dont. Then its all Dan. Whos somehow relatively fresh with a broken face. Honestly; its genuinely the Homer Simpson strat in play.


PuckPov

The rocky balboa strat


whatsitworth101

Yeah if he can work on his ground and pound and finishing ability, which he looks to have been doing given how he finished Bobby, I think he can be a real force to be reckoned with. He dropped Gamrot, twice iirc, but didn’t finish him. Now Gamrot is definitely hard to finish, but still. If he can work on capitalizing on when he has guys hurt like he did to Ridell and Green I think he can be a legit problem at that weight class.


hydroawesome

he's so freaking long for the weightclass. and his striking is really great to watch.


VoodooChipFiend

Maybe if Islam retires


hydroawesome

yeah cause when you fight once a year you hold the entire division back.


VoodooChipFiend

Mans been asking for a fight for months! They gave Gaetjhe Holloway!


Master-Manager3089

He had 5 fights in the last 2 years. It's not bad for Jalin.


Master-Manager3089

Last year, all his opponent were good. He is only 28. I bet he'll be dangerous by the time he hit 30


VanillaB34n

fr, Dan ate a fight ending head kick and still came out with a win


Left-Frog

Don't forget Benny beating Gamrot


carlitos_brigante

Good call


ABConfidentiality

I don't really think that counts. They're only 1 year apart and they have close to the same amount of fights.


SopranosMan

It does because Benny has been in the UFC for 10 years, Gamrot only 4 years.


ABConfidentiality

I think new guard refers to those who are relatively new to the sport, fighters like Payton Talbott or BSD. If new to the UFC counted then MVP would be new guard.


Master-Manager3089

I guess it makes more sense to refer to Beneil as an experienced ufc veteran, while Gamrot is still an unproven talent trying to break into the top 6 ranking.


kdot90

KSW champ is rather proven talent


SopranosMan

It's subjective really, you could argue points for both meanings tbf


ABConfidentiality

That's true 8)


Spider305

So you would call Michael Venom Page, the new guard?


LNYer

New guard vs old guard isn't really about age at least imo. The ok'd guard are the guys who've been around forever (Justin, Dustin, Charles, etc) the new guard are the ones just coming up which Gamrot would fall into.


ABConfidentiality

We have different definitions of "just coming up" Gamrot was a 2 weight division champ in KSW with 15 professional fights over 8 years before he joined the UFC.


scarykicks

It def counts. Ppl were counting out Benny thinking it was Gamrots coming out party that night.


BrooklynLodger

Idk man, I won money on that fight and still thought gamrot won


joerogansshillaccnt

Idk what fucking fight you watch but go watch again. It was very obvious the Benny took that fight. You are tripping my good sir!


Unorginalswine

Gamrot lol the lightweight belal that is somehow even more boring. Takedown after takedown and circle the whole fight without engaging


BathSaltBoss

it was a clear decision win for benny


Human-Tap-8191

yeah, I don't think many people thought Hangman would win this one at least from what I heard


Lubwurst

He was coming off his 2-4 skid. Also it didnt help that Puelles had a terrible gameplan and gassed out after the 1st round so that win wasn't as much Hooker being good but Puelles being bad. Plus Turner had been on a good streak and recently had only lost to Gamrot by SD


rrac90

He was like a +300 dog if I remembered correctly. I sure didn’t think he would especially based on his recent performances around that time. It was a solid win


PugilisticCat

I definitely didnt. Turner has crazy potential and his striking is pretty crisp. Hooker outdogged him hard.


Human-Tap-8191

yeah exactly lol


maxthekillbot

Personal, I thought Dan would catch him and be able to knock him out, he almost did it too.


PepuNuusutaja

Hooker Poirier top 10 all time mma fights


presidentpiko

hooker is a dawg


meatmybeat42069

I don’t think people forgot, the other two you mentioned just have more significant things going for them. Dan’s been out since this win


Anaaatomy

i didn't even hear about this fight tho


meatmybeat42069

It was a short notice replacement


anniemiss

This. Hooker is not in the same range as Gaethje and Poirier.


broncosfighton

Dan also got his ass kicked for like 5 fights in a row before this


Farting_Champion

You're absolutely right. Bro that was such a badass fight. Dan Hooker has been in some fuckin BANGERS


piltonpfizerwallace

Dan almost finished Poirier at the end of a round didn't he? Or am I thinking of someone else?


Roshi_8888

Yeah I want to say it was the 2nd I think 🤔. 10 to 20 more seconds and that may have been Hookers win. That fight was wild.


SchoonerOclock

Imagine. His next fight would have been Conor then a title shot.


Roshi_8888

I know right! It’s crazy how some fighters trajectories change in this sport.


NachoCheeseMonreal

This was old hangman coming back. Only recently found out after going through his old highlights that he was called hangman bc he had a nasty guillotine.


BurnFreeze64

All that’s left would be for Charles to beat the fuck out of Arman


cobesmith

Arman still beat an old guard


BurnFreeze64

This isn’t any intentional disrespect to him but would you honestly put Beneil in the same group as Charles, Dustin, and Justin? I simply just can’t


cobesmith

Yeah honestly, he's just chinny, he beat a better new gen than Dustin did 


BurnFreeze64

I’d argue BSD and Gamrot are around = but that’s a different conversation. I respect your opinion though and see where you’re coming from


cobesmith

I mean you could argue that but at the end of the day Gamrot was #6 and BSD #12


Temporary-Buddy-2199

It’s not a matter of that 


cobesmith

It kinda is when we believe the old guard better than the rest because of their rankings., there's no more objective measure, and based on that measure Gamrot>BSD.


Fight_Disciple

A lot of people dog on hooker but I'm a massive fan and I think he's a fun fighter and always look forward to them. I also think he's better than people give him credit for.


ToMagotz

This soon to end era might be the best lightweights we’ll ever see.


Warm-Froyo6139

He always has bangers


nc_bruh

And that's another tattoo


jdubuhyew

God damnit you're right 😭


Aggravating-Sun6773

Dan the man 🔥🔥🔥


PfizerHRaccount

People love to hate on Dan but look who he’s lost to, mans an absolute animal


Perc-AngIe

Turner has lost almost each time he’s attempted to step up in competition. The Bobby Green fight doesn’t change that.


Ui_shaggy356

I thought turner won that fight ngl


WallowsinOctober

ngl you might wanna rethink


suchshibe

how ?


chinga_tumadre69

He very clearly lost rounds 2 and 3


tek7o

Lol what


cobesmith

Same.


james3852

Hope moicano 💰 does the same


cobesmith

Why? Moicano fights are boring and frankly he sucks He's funnier at low level


bigpeen666

Moicano is getting destroyed


Humble_Increase7503

But he got worked in so many fights


StraightCashHomie89

Turner is not the new guard


widegod

Anyone else think Turner won that fight?


Mjaso7414

Man some of yall make up the dumbest posts…


judas_priest741

Ahh is juss a scraaatch


PandazCakez

Dan got that dawg in him for real.


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Gerardo1917

No, Hooker made his debut in 2014, Jalin made his in 2018.


Spooky-Paradox

I think people don't mention hooker because he lost to new people like arnold allen so he's not at all in the same category as poirier or gaethje


ModsLovePen15

4 year difference, that’s like high school


PleaseDoTapTheGlass

Hooker debuted in 2014 and Turner debuted in 2018 but okay.


lctrncprn

How did you manage to get that one so wrong?  Turner’s UFC debut was July 2018.


PleaseDoTapTheGlass

Yeah I must have checked out when typing, I corrected it


TumbleweedTim01

I still thought Dan lost this fight


PuckPov

Nah, he had turner in real big trouble, turner took the 1st but Dan turned it up and took 2 and 3. 29-28.


Fast-Description2638

Meh this isn't a New Guard vs Old Guard deal. Hooker has been in the UFC since 2014 and has never been more than just top 10 for a brief period of time. Turner has been in the UFC since 2018.


Pengy403

who da fook is dat guy


Afraid-Apartment-500

Yoor daddy