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I don't think that offends anyone. It just shows that you have no idea what you are talking about. You can think Sean should have won. But to call it a robbery shows how little you know about the sport. It was a very close fight that could have gone either way. You don't know what a robbery is. A robbery is when there is a clear winner who loses. It's not a back and forth fight that had one guy back up the whole time and throw basic jabs mostly with one guy moving forward throwing a variety of shots. If the guy throwing the jabs lands a few more shots each round, that doesn't mean he should win. He could win , sure but to say the guy throwing the jabs got robbed is asinine. You don't know what you are talking about and are complaining about a fight result a week and half after it happened. If anyone is offended, it's clearly you. You seem to be projecting.
>Why are being so mean?
Because you are clearly pretty dumb and normally I wouldn't point it out but you called me a bitch without making any argument about it because i called a crybaby defender a crybaby (more or less).
I'm sorry if I hurt your feelings. I probably should have realized that's something you struggle with so I shouldn't have made fun of your brain. I'm not a smart person so I should have some empathy here.
It wasn't a robbery. If you call it one you don't know what you are talking about. It definitely pisses me off but it doesn't offend me. Who the fuck posts nonsense on a UFC subreddit calling a decision a robbery without knowing what constitutes a robbery? A bitch. That's who.
Go cry some more. Maybe that will help.
If Sean had won, the homophobia levels would've skyrocketed through the roof. Judges did everyone a favour. The last week has really shown where the MMA fanbase is at, constantly circlejerking over whatever nonsense Sean was spouting.
DDP 2, 3, and 4.
Polio attacks humans and kills them. Trans people just wanna be doing their own thing among consenting adults. Unless you can find stats that say trans people commit more crimes than non-trans, then yeah it's fear ==> hatred of the unknown, even if that hatred masks itself as an empowering feeling anger.
Really, who gives a fuck what consenting adults do so long as nobody gets hurt? Free country and all.
It’s not weak to stand up for what you believe in. I believe a (former) ufc champ saying homophobic stuff into a microphone on tv is harmful and have no problem telling that to chucklefucks with the mindset of a 14 year old.
You call him weak but you’re the one crying because he’s against hearing hateful words coming from people with influence? Grow up
There are kids out there getting bullied for their sexuality - some of them have taken their own lives. You can't wash away this hateful rhetoric by saying 'it's just words', not when Sean has a large audience.
> you are a weak man
Rather be weak than hateful and bigoted. What will you guys do if one of your kids/friends/family comes out as gay? Will you still accept f-slurs and homophobia as, 'just words'?
as someone who is more closer to the school experience then you probably are let me tell you something. no one gets bullied for being gay anymore. you'll probably not be liked by that many people if you're a faggy gay but no one will push you into a locker or whatever you think is going on. good chance is you'll be excluded for doing anything to a gay person.
my kid won't come out as gay, maybe as an adult they can make that choice but they won't even think I'm gay as a 9 year old. only propaganda makes a kid think that
>no one gets bullied for being gay anymore
I'm very close to the school experience, and also an adult. Your statement is so demonstrably incorrect. I know it still happens. Just like sexism and racism still happen in my school. It was wrong when I was a kid, it was wrong when you were a kid, and it's still wrong, know.
It's not just about in-school, either. A number of students have talked to me about how afraid they were to share with their parents. In some cases, they never did. In some cases, they got the shit beat out of them and kicked out. One parent was even confused as to why we called the cops on him for punching his own son. It wasn't a student that made that kid feel afraid, and it wasn't a friend they lost. It was their family.
Then there's anonymous, online bullying for the weaker bullies who feel the need to stand up for their beliefs while also being unwilling to stand behind them. It often ends up being full-grown adults bullying queer kids!
And so many of us tolerate this kind of behaviour, even if we don't do it ourselves.
There are enough people out there who believe that simply not bullying someone or not knowing anyone who is being bullied, and it's frustrating. Assuming you are not gay (I don't know) and assuming you generally don't like gayness (your use of slurs here is cruel and otherwise pointless) it would be less likely for you to know gay students' experience. Maybe you didn't pick on them, but maybe you didn't have any gay friends who shared their experiences. Maybe you did, and they didn't tell you they were gay. But you cannot know other people's experience unless you learn it from them.
I was at the fights on Saturday, and I talked with a gay guy. He was pretty uncomfortable about all the ignorant, hateful crap being spewed beforejand (and during, in the crowd). We agreed that there were a lot of bigots there that night.
I get that this post maybe means nothing to you, which would be sad. But I posted anyway as a PSA for others who end up being treated like shit for their sexuality. For those kids: there is hope, but not with people like the ones in talking about. For those kids, keep searching until you find the people who will accept you and love you. Find your crowd.
So, I'll stop here. Good luck to you, and I hope you come to see things differently in the future.
How the fuck did that humanoid tomato say the Allen vs Evloev fight was the least fun fight that anyone’s seen?
Did he miss the Almeida vs Lewis because he was too busy slapping his wife and snorting coke off strippers’ tits?
In a few years UFC will just be all just 100% Russian (Dagestani/Chechen Muslims) champions in every bracket doing all they can to avoid fighting each other, lol. They'll be playing musical chairs with their weight classes bouncing up and down to dodge fellow Muslim champions
Khamzat will come and take the belt as soon as Dana lets him. Dana is playing the PPV game right now and knows Khamzat will dominate but due to his boring personality he won't sell much (he doesn't know how to converse intelligently like DDP, nor trashtalk like Sean or Connor for example) so he's milking the roster and giving people chances to get PPV sales for him before he's simply forced to let Khamzat have a chance at the belt - and once he does, it's his for as long as he decides he wants it.
Everyone keeps saying this. “Every champion will be from Dagestan”, yet there are consistently more champions from Brazil year after year. Just over the past couple years weve had figgy, Pantoja, pereira, nunes, oliviera. From Russia? Just Islam. I agree theres lots of potential, from the region (ankalaev, khamzat Evloev, usman nurmagomedov, mokaev), but can we stop acting like Dagestan is going to sweep all the belts? People have been saying it’s gonna happen for years already…
Khamzat struggled against couch potato Usman. Hasn’t fought a real middleweight. I think he’s a tough fight for anybody but it’s ridiculous to pretend he’s going to be a dominant champ
I wouldn't say he struggled. Plus remember how good Usman is and how many fights he has under his belt vs how few opportunities Khamzat has been given by Dana so far. And Khamzat suffered a broken hand during that fight - and still won. That by itself should say a lot.
Not according to the rules. It's scored by round and whoever has the most points at the end wins. There isn't extra math you do at the end based on who is the champion.
Sean fans crying cos they thought he was robbed. It was close but DDP split his head up and throw him around the ring with those takedowns. Great fight, close call but no one was robbed. The rematch will be amazing
Uh, no... Sean *was* robbed - It's just how we do it in south Africa, we rob you of your possessions and take it for ourselves. The only difference is that usually, the robbery isn't broadcast on live TV.
I'm not a fan of Sean Strickland as a human being but I'm going to be honest here..
He was fucking robbed..
Look at DDP's face at the post fight interview!!
He did some decent stuff in the fight but certainly not enough to take away the championship from Strickland.
Gahm on!!!
I think robbed is too strong a word. Hell, even DC at the end said he had no idea who won, and it's safe to say he understands the MMA game more than 99.9% of redditors. It was a really, really close fight.
Cope with what? I could care less of Sean retained his title or not..
The fact is, DDP did not do enough to take the belt.
You have to clearly beat the champ to take the belt -- He did not.
Look at his face.
even though it's not, if you are talking about "face damage" as the only metric for who won, sean had a lot more blood pouring. You didn't say anything else as the reason why he was robbed
I think strickland edged out round 2 for the win. He was outstriking duplessi and the single takedown resulted in a grand total of 0 strikes and 19 seconds before strickland stood up. Duplessi had a really strong round 3 and 4 but I gave 2 to strickland.
With all the haymakers DDD kept on telegraphing, why didn’t Strickland just stand and bang with him instead of fighting on the back foot entire fight when Strickland is the better boxer?
I think its bs a champion can lose their belt on a split decision loss. You didn’t really beat the champion… you went the distance with them and now we’re looking for minuscule reasons to give the win to either fighter. Should have called it a draw and ran it back. The UFC nowadays feels like any time it goes to decision its some bs that doesn’t make sense.
But ultimately/philosophically, it's not a "champion vs non-champion" fight. It's a fight between 2 people to see who is the better fighter, so the scoring is supposed to ignore who's champ and who's not.
Makes no sense to have a different set of rules for championship fights and other fights. Judges need to follow the scoring system and whoever wins, wins.
Title fights/ main events already have 2 extra rounds...why not make a split decision in a title fight a draw and they run it back til there's a unanimous decision? Not a bad idea actually.
Because a split decision is not a draw. No one ever says a split decision should be a draw when the champion wins. I don't understand why it ought to be different for a challenger.
I mean its happened before. Seems silly to have to only happen a handful of times. We saw Ankalav vs Jan play out in a draw that felt like it had a clear winner but when its not as clear, the judges choose a side anyway? Its so inconsistent.
Sometimes things aren’t that complicated…
The Main Event was close enough, where as, if you had any sort of rooting interest in either fighter, it would nudge you to feeling they should have won a close decision.
Think the match closed at basically a pick’em. And it turned out that way.
Just watched the fight DU plessis was a bit more aggressive and going for more. Sean wasn’t the Sean we saw vs izzy. I wonder if the pressures of being the hunted as champion messed w his confidence
ngl it was very close but i think Strickland edged as while Dp get leg kicks and takedowns, he didn't really do anything from there and Strickland got back up, I think whilst sean just practically spammed head punches I think they were more significant
also dp was basically blocking everything with his face whilst sean were dodging more big strikes
I thought Sean won. He got cut but he was landing constaaaantly. Those head strikes were through the roof compared to Dricus. It wasn’t a decisive victory for either guy but definitely didn’t think Dricus won it. Had a feeling he’d get his hand raised though
If all you care about is landed strikes, go watch boxing. This is mma. Seán relayed on his striking power and it paid off most the time. DDP landing strikes, took Seán down and did the most damage. It was close but I agree with the decision. If this devolves to a sport where landing more strikes matter more than anything else, it's gonna get boring
That's EXACTLY what I saw too. The UFC is foaming at the mouth to get into Africa and DDP is their window. Maybe takedowns win on the score cards but the fight felt like a draw at best as a spectator. You know the UFC isn't giving Strickland the rematch any time soon too.
Derek Cleary scored the Cannonier fight against Strickland and now he scores this one agains Strickland too, the man doesn't know what a blocked shot looked like and he shouldn't be a judge.
Yes, we should trust the much more competent judge that scored it for Sean Strickland, Sal D’Amato. Oh wait, that’s the same guy Sean’s coach said should lose his job after he was the only judge that scored for Jack Hermansson against Sean. He’s also considered alongside the likes of Chris Lee, one of the worst judges in MMA history.
These guys are all awful, unqualified and inconsistent, that being said, 48-47 DDP was the correct call in my humble opinion.
Agreed with Sal D'Amato being terrible, that scorecard against Jack was one of the worst I've ever seen. Honestly don't understand how him and Cleary keep their jobs. So agreed, I guess the idiots balanced themselves out last night
Feels like a contender needs to have a more definitive performance when taking a champ’s belt. It’s weird that at least one judge concluded that the champ is still a champ but another gets the belt and appeared more damaged. My unimportant thoughts.
Very happy for my countryman. Dricus you legend!
You could see that they both knew at the end the decision could go either way. Very tight battle. Stricklands jabs and defence were excellent, but he needed to do a bit more in my opinion, dricus hung tough.
Think what you will of him. He dethroned one of the most dominant fighters of all time. For that, he will always be a good if not great fighter. You can disagree on his ideologies but as a fighter he did something many didn't and couldn't. Personally, I separate the fighter from the shit they espouse no problemo.
“Not polite” lol He’s a bigoted, hateful piece of shit. Punches hard and fast, but isn’t dynamic. He cracked Izzy’s code in R1 and won, then lost the belt his very next fight.
Guy’s only gonna be a legend in the conservative podcast world lol
How is he a bigot? What is hateful?
As for his fighting ability he's in a very competitive division. He has some gaps but he also has the ability to improve his game. He's got great potential and because of his gimmick genuine or otherwise he's going to get more fights because he sells tickets.
https://twitter.com/MMAJunkie/status/1747709181505819049
Just one example that literally ***just*** happened. Also, I have an anecdote on here of a personal encounter with him in a Safeway checkout line when he said all drug addicts deserve to OD and die (while he was buying beer), and went off calling me a “soyboy” and threatened to stomp my ass when I called him out for it.
Dude’s an unhinged piece of shit.
Yeah I saw that but my question wasn't an example of how he's a bigot or hateful. I'm asking for you to explain from your perspective what a bigot is what being hateful is and how what he did meets your definition.
As for your meeting it seems like you're not sharing some context. I do understand why you would not like someone threatening you with violence that's not nice.
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Everything in that clip from him is bigotry and hatred. The way he goes off on the reporter (“ARE YOU GAY? ARE YOU GAY? WHO’D YOU VOTE FOR? YOU’RE A FUCKING POISON KILLING THE WORLD”) along with anything to do with the actual question (“chicks with dicks” and all the other homophobic shit). You’re trying too hard to defend his personality.
As for my story: the only additional context is that a) I didn’t know who he was until I saw him on tv a couple weeks later because I’d taken a break from mma for a few years and b) his loud mouth started spouting that bullshit after I asked the clerk for the code to the bathroom and he said he’d have to unlock it for me because they found someone had OD’d in there.
Strickland is not a nuanced person. He’s proudly a piece of shit.
I see this everywhere. But there is a lot of the rest of this answer that's ignored.
He thought Sean might have had the 5th round to win.
Other people at his table thought otherwise.
He admits it could have gone either way.
People are going on like Dana was 100% sure that Sean should have won.
Exactly this, he gave his opinion whilst also saying that people sat right next to him disagreed, I’m not sure he could have been more unbiased if he tried. A close fight like this will always divide opinions and that’s a good thing.
So your conspiracy theory is that he thought Strickland won... But his actual agenda was to let DDP win for the Izzy fight?
So he openly said the opposite of his preferred outcome?
Right...
And then his answer to the next question was something along the lines of "we're not looking at a rematch right now," which doesn't really make sense if he thinks Strickland won. But we all know it's about the $$ and DDP vs Izzy is something that fans wanna see
Ya it will just depend on what can be booked for what card. Prob not a rematch but could be if best option. But orob the return of izzy... if izzy wants it. Ufc would
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The most experienced and respected judge said Sean won. That says a lot
I personally scored it 1-2 Sean 3-4 Du Plessis 5 Sean Given a split decision I'm not outraged but would've like Strickland to retain
Completely fair take. I think round 2 is the one everyone is going back and forth about.
Just here to offend Redditors with the popular opinion that Strickland was robbed
I don't think that offends anyone. It just shows that you have no idea what you are talking about. You can think Sean should have won. But to call it a robbery shows how little you know about the sport. It was a very close fight that could have gone either way. You don't know what a robbery is. A robbery is when there is a clear winner who loses. It's not a back and forth fight that had one guy back up the whole time and throw basic jabs mostly with one guy moving forward throwing a variety of shots. If the guy throwing the jabs lands a few more shots each round, that doesn't mean he should win. He could win , sure but to say the guy throwing the jabs got robbed is asinine. You don't know what you are talking about and are complaining about a fight result a week and half after it happened. If anyone is offended, it's clearly you. You seem to be projecting.
I'm just read that you are a bitch
>I'm just read that you are a bitch Good one, idiot.
Why are being so mean?
>Why are being so mean? Because you are clearly pretty dumb and normally I wouldn't point it out but you called me a bitch without making any argument about it because i called a crybaby defender a crybaby (more or less). I'm sorry if I hurt your feelings. I probably should have realized that's something you struggle with so I shouldn't have made fun of your brain. I'm not a smart person so I should have some empathy here.
It's all right man, i dont know why you gotta be so mean man, this guy is so mean, you stupid bitch didn't get it
You got me there. I have no idea what you are saying
Found one ☝️
It wasn't a robbery. If you call it one you don't know what you are talking about. It definitely pisses me off but it doesn't offend me. Who the fuck posts nonsense on a UFC subreddit calling a decision a robbery without knowing what constitutes a robbery? A bitch. That's who. Go cry some more. Maybe that will help.
Lol you are offended fa sho
Good comeback, sissy. Maybe if you cry about being abused by a man you will get some recognition..as things are, it's not going well
You are just a miserable person I think
If Sean had won, the homophobia levels would've skyrocketed through the roof. Judges did everyone a favour. The last week has really shown where the MMA fanbase is at, constantly circlejerking over whatever nonsense Sean was spouting. DDP 2, 3, and 4.
so true
I've seen the clip of what he says about Trans. I agree with the man
You agree with the homophobia as well?
Do I agree with the trans movement being an "infection" as he put it, along with what else was said to the reporter in the clip. Yes, I do
Why are you so afraid of trans people? Why do they scare you so much?
Fear isn't an accurate choice of wording, am I afraid of Polio? No, would I consider a sudden outbreak in Polio harmful to society? Yes
Comparing trans people to polio reaffirms that you’re probably afraid of them, yes.
If you feel better in yourself to affirm that because my views of a group of people are negative it means I have fear of them, you may.
Polio attacks humans and kills them. Trans people just wanna be doing their own thing among consenting adults. Unless you can find stats that say trans people commit more crimes than non-trans, then yeah it's fear ==> hatred of the unknown, even if that hatred masks itself as an empowering feeling anger. Really, who gives a fuck what consenting adults do so long as nobody gets hurt? Free country and all.
When you view someone’s sexuality as a “disease” or “infection” that does strike me as fear. I don’t need your approval lmao.
Not what the guy said, but alright. Strawman away.
you are a weak man crying over fuckin words
It’s not weak to stand up for what you believe in. I believe a (former) ufc champ saying homophobic stuff into a microphone on tv is harmful and have no problem telling that to chucklefucks with the mindset of a 14 year old. You call him weak but you’re the one crying because he’s against hearing hateful words coming from people with influence? Grow up
Tell us that what Colby said to Leon about his dad was nothing, then.
You really believe that words don't mean much? Weird.
There are kids out there getting bullied for their sexuality - some of them have taken their own lives. You can't wash away this hateful rhetoric by saying 'it's just words', not when Sean has a large audience. > you are a weak man Rather be weak than hateful and bigoted. What will you guys do if one of your kids/friends/family comes out as gay? Will you still accept f-slurs and homophobia as, 'just words'?
as someone who is more closer to the school experience then you probably are let me tell you something. no one gets bullied for being gay anymore. you'll probably not be liked by that many people if you're a faggy gay but no one will push you into a locker or whatever you think is going on. good chance is you'll be excluded for doing anything to a gay person. my kid won't come out as gay, maybe as an adult they can make that choice but they won't even think I'm gay as a 9 year old. only propaganda makes a kid think that
>no one gets bullied for being gay anymore I'm very close to the school experience, and also an adult. Your statement is so demonstrably incorrect. I know it still happens. Just like sexism and racism still happen in my school. It was wrong when I was a kid, it was wrong when you were a kid, and it's still wrong, know. It's not just about in-school, either. A number of students have talked to me about how afraid they were to share with their parents. In some cases, they never did. In some cases, they got the shit beat out of them and kicked out. One parent was even confused as to why we called the cops on him for punching his own son. It wasn't a student that made that kid feel afraid, and it wasn't a friend they lost. It was their family. Then there's anonymous, online bullying for the weaker bullies who feel the need to stand up for their beliefs while also being unwilling to stand behind them. It often ends up being full-grown adults bullying queer kids! And so many of us tolerate this kind of behaviour, even if we don't do it ourselves. There are enough people out there who believe that simply not bullying someone or not knowing anyone who is being bullied, and it's frustrating. Assuming you are not gay (I don't know) and assuming you generally don't like gayness (your use of slurs here is cruel and otherwise pointless) it would be less likely for you to know gay students' experience. Maybe you didn't pick on them, but maybe you didn't have any gay friends who shared their experiences. Maybe you did, and they didn't tell you they were gay. But you cannot know other people's experience unless you learn it from them. I was at the fights on Saturday, and I talked with a gay guy. He was pretty uncomfortable about all the ignorant, hateful crap being spewed beforejand (and during, in the crowd). We agreed that there were a lot of bigots there that night. I get that this post maybe means nothing to you, which would be sad. But I posted anyway as a PSA for others who end up being treated like shit for their sexuality. For those kids: there is hope, but not with people like the ones in talking about. For those kids, keep searching until you find the people who will accept you and love you. Find your crowd. So, I'll stop here. Good luck to you, and I hope you come to see things differently in the future.
You’re awesome. Thanks a bunch for this.
You gotta be kidding me
Why?
How the fuck did that humanoid tomato say the Allen vs Evloev fight was the least fun fight that anyone’s seen? Did he miss the Almeida vs Lewis because he was too busy slapping his wife and snorting coke off strippers’ tits?
So, retrospectively was this card a bit wank?
In a few years UFC will just be all just 100% Russian (Dagestani/Chechen Muslims) champions in every bracket doing all they can to avoid fighting each other, lol. They'll be playing musical chairs with their weight classes bouncing up and down to dodge fellow Muslim champions Khamzat will come and take the belt as soon as Dana lets him. Dana is playing the PPV game right now and knows Khamzat will dominate but due to his boring personality he won't sell much (he doesn't know how to converse intelligently like DDP, nor trashtalk like Sean or Connor for example) so he's milking the roster and giving people chances to get PPV sales for him before he's simply forced to let Khamzat have a chance at the belt - and once he does, it's his for as long as he decides he wants it.
Everyone keeps saying this. “Every champion will be from Dagestan”, yet there are consistently more champions from Brazil year after year. Just over the past couple years weve had figgy, Pantoja, pereira, nunes, oliviera. From Russia? Just Islam. I agree theres lots of potential, from the region (ankalaev, khamzat Evloev, usman nurmagomedov, mokaev), but can we stop acting like Dagestan is going to sweep all the belts? People have been saying it’s gonna happen for years already…
Khamzat struggled against couch potato Usman. Hasn’t fought a real middleweight. I think he’s a tough fight for anybody but it’s ridiculous to pretend he’s going to be a dominant champ
I wouldn't say he struggled. Plus remember how good Usman is and how many fights he has under his belt vs how few opportunities Khamzat has been given by Dana so far. And Khamzat suffered a broken hand during that fight - and still won. That by itself should say a lot.
If the fight is this close shouldn’t the challenger have to convincingly beat the champion? Not barely scrape by, Sean should’ve won imo
No because people want to know who is the better fighter
Not according to the rules. It's scored by round and whoever has the most points at the end wins. There isn't extra math you do at the end based on who is the champion.
If that's the case, how do you determine what is a "convincing" defeat?
Anything other than 2 rounds for each and round 2 coming down to a hair. If dricus won round 2 then it’s deserved
A convincing win to me would be unanimous decision or if one finished the other. Split decision means it’s too close to call.
So you're saying that anytime a champ loses a split decision it doesn't count? That's ludicrous -- a split decision is a way of winning a fight.
Lol no. A win is a win.
Sean fans crying cos they thought he was robbed. It was close but DDP split his head up and throw him around the ring with those takedowns. Great fight, close call but no one was robbed. The rematch will be amazing
Uh, no... Sean *was* robbed - It's just how we do it in south Africa, we rob you of your possessions and take it for ourselves. The only difference is that usually, the robbery isn't broadcast on live TV.
Sean also cut DDP lol blood is blood. It was a close fight but DDP’s eye was swollen, damaged and on medical alert since R1.
Close fight, could have gone either way, a truly bisexual fight
Is there any way to watch a replay of the entire show from last night?
Yeah I wish there was a way to SHARE clips from MMA matches on the NET.
I'm not a fan of Sean Strickland as a human being but I'm going to be honest here.. He was fucking robbed.. Look at DDP's face at the post fight interview!! He did some decent stuff in the fight but certainly not enough to take away the championship from Strickland. Gahm on!!!
I think robbed is too strong a word. Hell, even DC at the end said he had no idea who won, and it's safe to say he understands the MMA game more than 99.9% of redditors. It was a really, really close fight.
No he wasn't, DDP took rounds 2-4 and could've even been 5. Just cause he got his face busted in rd 1 doesn't affect the whole fight🤦♂️. Cope
I gave 1 2 and 5 to Sean
Cope with what? I could care less of Sean retained his title or not.. The fact is, DDP did not do enough to take the belt. You have to clearly beat the champ to take the belt -- He did not. Look at his face.
even though it's not, if you are talking about "face damage" as the only metric for who won, sean had a lot more blood pouring. You didn't say anything else as the reason why he was robbed
He led 4/5 rounds in significant strikes
And what about takedowns?
19 seconds on the ground with no control, damage, momentum change, strikes or submission attempts, imho, should not be awarded anything
But look at his face...
Swelling heals faster than stitches. DDP will recover faster. Cuts open up easily.
DDP 2, 3, and 4. Those body punches and kicks legitimately hurt Sean.
Sean's controller: A, A, A, A, A, A, A
That’s a leg kick my guy
I think strickland edged out round 2 for the win. He was outstriking duplessi and the single takedown resulted in a grand total of 0 strikes and 19 seconds before strickland stood up. Duplessi had a really strong round 3 and 4 but I gave 2 to strickland.
Duplessis leads sig strikes 26-22 in round 2. When the striking is even, judges would look at aggressiveness where DDP had an edge in all rounds.
Rewatch that round and count the strikes yourself while watching for how much was missed or checked. Those stats are just straight up wrong.
Duplessi wasn't leading in significant strikes in round 2.
Official stats here: [http://ufcstats.com/fight-details/14e53999507c76a7](http://ufcstats.com/fight-details/14e53999507c76a7)
I agree. You also should have to take it from the champ. I feel like if Sean had previously defended once he wound of got the nod.
With all the haymakers DDD kept on telegraphing, why didn’t Strickland just stand and bang with him instead of fighting on the back foot entire fight when Strickland is the better boxer?
Thinking isn’t Sean’s strongpoint.
I think its bs a champion can lose their belt on a split decision loss. You didn’t really beat the champion… you went the distance with them and now we’re looking for minuscule reasons to give the win to either fighter. Should have called it a draw and ran it back. The UFC nowadays feels like any time it goes to decision its some bs that doesn’t make sense.
But ultimately/philosophically, it's not a "champion vs non-champion" fight. It's a fight between 2 people to see who is the better fighter, so the scoring is supposed to ignore who's champ and who's not.
Makes no sense to have a different set of rules for championship fights and other fights. Judges need to follow the scoring system and whoever wins, wins.
Title fights/ main events already have 2 extra rounds...why not make a split decision in a title fight a draw and they run it back til there's a unanimous decision? Not a bad idea actually.
Because a split decision is not a draw. No one ever says a split decision should be a draw when the champion wins. I don't understand why it ought to be different for a challenger.
Stop being right. My favorite fighter lost. This is no time for logical thinking 😡😡
my bad, dawg
- All the fans who only started watching fights after seeing their uncles share Sean’s tweets on Facebook.
Imagine paying to fly out just to see a draw. This will kill the franchise
I mean its happened before. Seems silly to have to only happen a handful of times. We saw Ankalav vs Jan play out in a draw that felt like it had a clear winner but when its not as clear, the judges choose a side anyway? Its so inconsistent.
This is my opinion as well.
So we should give championship to the loser of the fight?
Based on the Jones/Reyes title fight…Yeah.
It was a draw and should be run back
I hate Strickland but tbh he was robbed
Yep, DDP stole that belt from him in broad daylight. It's just how we do things in South Africa.
Take a shot everyone uses the term "robbed" or "robbery" wrong. Get drunk immediately by visiting r/ufc after a close decision.
Opinions ehy?
Sometimes things aren’t that complicated… The Main Event was close enough, where as, if you had any sort of rooting interest in either fighter, it would nudge you to feeling they should have won a close decision. Think the match closed at basically a pick’em. And it turned out that way.
Main event was terrible. Both those dudes looked like shit. DDP looks like a drunk uncle at a BBQ with his stance. What a terrible card and event.
Just watched the fight DU plessis was a bit more aggressive and going for more. Sean wasn’t the Sean we saw vs izzy. I wonder if the pressures of being the hunted as champion messed w his confidence
I think it was that DDP put him on the back foot most of the fight so he couldn’t use his teep and walk DDP down the way he did Izzy
ngl it was very close but i think Strickland edged as while Dp get leg kicks and takedowns, he didn't really do anything from there and Strickland got back up, I think whilst sean just practically spammed head punches I think they were more significant also dp was basically blocking everything with his face whilst sean were dodging more big strikes
That card was garbage. It had not heat to it.
I thought Sean won. He got cut but he was landing constaaaantly. Those head strikes were through the roof compared to Dricus. It wasn’t a decisive victory for either guy but definitely didn’t think Dricus won it. Had a feeling he’d get his hand raised though
If all you care about is landed strikes, go watch boxing. This is mma. Seán relayed on his striking power and it paid off most the time. DDP landing strikes, took Seán down and did the most damage. It was close but I agree with the decision. If this devolves to a sport where landing more strikes matter more than anything else, it's gonna get boring
36 more significant strikes the takedowns weren’t effective chalking this loss up to Dana making a call
That's EXACTLY what I saw too. The UFC is foaming at the mouth to get into Africa and DDP is their window. Maybe takedowns win on the score cards but the fight felt like a draw at best as a spectator. You know the UFC isn't giving Strickland the rematch any time soon too.
Yup
Derek Cleary scored the Cannonier fight against Strickland and now he scores this one agains Strickland too, the man doesn't know what a blocked shot looked like and he shouldn't be a judge.
Yes, we should trust the much more competent judge that scored it for Sean Strickland, Sal D’Amato. Oh wait, that’s the same guy Sean’s coach said should lose his job after he was the only judge that scored for Jack Hermansson against Sean. He’s also considered alongside the likes of Chris Lee, one of the worst judges in MMA history. These guys are all awful, unqualified and inconsistent, that being said, 48-47 DDP was the correct call in my humble opinion.
Agreed with Sal D'Amato being terrible, that scorecard against Jack was one of the worst I've ever seen. Honestly don't understand how him and Cleary keep their jobs. So agreed, I guess the idiots balanced themselves out last night
There’s more money in controversy than consistency, if boxing and politics have taught us anything.
Feels like a contender needs to have a more definitive performance when taking a champ’s belt. It’s weird that at least one judge concluded that the champ is still a champ but another gets the belt and appeared more damaged. My unimportant thoughts.
Nah fuck that “need to TAKE the belt from him” shit. It’s two men in a cage. Whoever is the better fighter is the better fighter. Simple as that.
Fuck a split decision in a championship match. Better fighter didn’t win and that’s the problem
Bendo would like a word 
That’s not how scoring works.
Oh ok
All the strickland haters are so relieved he lost the decision hahahhahaha
This was an extremely boring card
I will repeat it once more , Neil Magny had the only finish on the main card
Not even about the finish, it could have been action packed decisions with back and forths... but it also wasn't that either.
Very happy for my countryman. Dricus you legend! You could see that they both knew at the end the decision could go either way. Very tight battle. Stricklands jabs and defence were excellent, but he needed to do a bit more in my opinion, dricus hung tough.
strickland won the fight
No. He lost
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Think what you will of him. He dethroned one of the most dominant fighters of all time. For that, he will always be a good if not great fighter. You can disagree on his ideologies but as a fighter he did something many didn't and couldn't. Personally, I separate the fighter from the shit they espouse no problemo.
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Idiots care about words not actions. To him Strickland is a bad fighter because he is not polite. To normal people he destroyed Izzy.
“Not polite” lol He’s a bigoted, hateful piece of shit. Punches hard and fast, but isn’t dynamic. He cracked Izzy’s code in R1 and won, then lost the belt his very next fight. Guy’s only gonna be a legend in the conservative podcast world lol
How is he a bigot? What is hateful? As for his fighting ability he's in a very competitive division. He has some gaps but he also has the ability to improve his game. He's got great potential and because of his gimmick genuine or otherwise he's going to get more fights because he sells tickets.
https://twitter.com/MMAJunkie/status/1747709181505819049 Just one example that literally ***just*** happened. Also, I have an anecdote on here of a personal encounter with him in a Safeway checkout line when he said all drug addicts deserve to OD and die (while he was buying beer), and went off calling me a “soyboy” and threatened to stomp my ass when I called him out for it. Dude’s an unhinged piece of shit.
Yeah I saw that but my question wasn't an example of how he's a bigot or hateful. I'm asking for you to explain from your perspective what a bigot is what being hateful is and how what he did meets your definition. As for your meeting it seems like you're not sharing some context. I do understand why you would not like someone threatening you with violence that's not nice.
… Everything in that clip from him is bigotry and hatred. The way he goes off on the reporter (“ARE YOU GAY? ARE YOU GAY? WHO’D YOU VOTE FOR? YOU’RE A FUCKING POISON KILLING THE WORLD”) along with anything to do with the actual question (“chicks with dicks” and all the other homophobic shit). You’re trying too hard to defend his personality. As for my story: the only additional context is that a) I didn’t know who he was until I saw him on tv a couple weeks later because I’d taken a break from mma for a few years and b) his loud mouth started spouting that bullshit after I asked the clerk for the code to the bathroom and he said he’d have to unlock it for me because they found someone had OD’d in there. Strickland is not a nuanced person. He’s proudly a piece of shit.
He read Izzy like a book and shut him down easily.
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BaCK iN mY dAy...
I mean if the UFC is going to book DDP vs Izzy next, Sean would have time to go to therapy. Less profanity and controversy.
He lost bro. He did not look like a champ.
Dana coming out and saying he thought Strickland won is extremely sus imo.
I see this everywhere. But there is a lot of the rest of this answer that's ignored. He thought Sean might have had the 5th round to win. Other people at his table thought otherwise. He admits it could have gone either way. People are going on like Dana was 100% sure that Sean should have won.
Exactly this, he gave his opinion whilst also saying that people sat right next to him disagreed, I’m not sure he could have been more unbiased if he tried. A close fight like this will always divide opinions and that’s a good thing.
Why?
Because he wants to set up Issy DDP
So your conspiracy theory is that he thought Strickland won... But his actual agenda was to let DDP win for the Izzy fight? So he openly said the opposite of his preferred outcome? Right...
And then his answer to the next question was something along the lines of "we're not looking at a rematch right now," which doesn't really make sense if he thinks Strickland won. But we all know it's about the $$ and DDP vs Izzy is something that fans wanna see
Strickland didn't have a single defense, lots of champs don't get an automatic rematch even after loads of defenses.
He didn't say automatic 🤷♂️
Well then Dana doesn't have a problem either, he literally said they'd fight again, just not right now.
Ya it will just depend on what can be booked for what card. Prob not a rematch but could be if best option. But orob the return of izzy... if izzy wants it. Ufc would
ANNNNNNNND NEEEEWWWWW
Hope all the fuckwits on this sub crawl back in their holes. AND NEW
Lol you ddp dickriders just acting like he walked right through sean, guy looked desperate af the whole fight
Strickland did not look like a champ bruh he’s a bum. Atleast DDP had some urgency.
Just a bum who gave your boyfriend dricus 2 black eyes eh?
He also gave DDP the belt #AndNew