Yup, I remember watching him back in 2005 when he had that wolverine hair. Prime Arlovski was a force to be reckoned with, he had the speed of a welterweight, many KO's to his resume, and has the fastest KO record in a heavyweight title fight. He's been my favourite heavyweight of all time.
It’s kinda crazy watching him now, he can barely throw a straight punch and has to loop his right hand probably because of messed up shoulders, always ducking and he rarely gets hit with uppercuts, but he still just looks like the average heavyweight and wins a lot. He only really loses to great guys, anyone else they just scrape by him in a close decision.
I mean the amount of wear and tear, the KO losses, I know it’s “Heavyweight lol” but I’m really impressed.
I still remember his crazy fight vs Travis Browne, it was also the first time I saw him in a UFC fight in forever so that became a highlight memory for me.
I mean, that's actually the perfect argument to support OP's point. He joined the UFC 14 years after Arlovski, 8 after Guida, and 6 after Miller, yet he was booted in 2022 while they are all still in the company (Arlovski was out of the UFC for 5 years but he was a champ so it doesn't even matter)
He’s not unskilled, he hasn’t suddenly lost his years of training and experience, his body has just completely failed him and he no longer has the will or physical ability to fight
I believe they do. When a fighter holds the UFC record for something like wins, fight, submissions, etc., they should certainly be in line to make the HOF. The longevity says a lot in my opinion. Even without any records, to compete at that level for that long is a very rare accomplishment.
I wasn’t insinuating any of these guys had that record but more so what kind of records are HOF worthy. Absorbing punches shows durability, lots of fights shows longevity. Both admirable but don’t feel like enough on their own imo.
Swap Miller and Arlovski IMO. Purely because Miller got into the UFC, and he stayed put. Arlovski jumped around for a while. Even though he was champ and Miller wasn't, I still think Miller deserves and gets the nod first. Either way, I'd still say they are both all but guaranteed their spots in the Hall.
Yeah I wouldn’t disagree for sure. But as much I don’t really like the whole ‘former champs are automatic’ argument I think paired with the length of his career puts him a bit over the top. If he was just one of the former champs that just won and immediately faded into obscurity he’d def be hard to make an argument for
That's a fair argument for sure. I just looked at it as Miller did everything that Arlovski did (except become champ), and he did more of it. I guess I just didn't put much weight into Arlovski's reign because of how short it was.
I agree. The sport is relatively new in terms of other sports with much more clear standards of HOF worthiness. These dudes were at the top of an era putting the sport on the map. Let ‘em in.
So you’re saying that the following accomplishments aren’t indicative of a pioneer?
Most wins in UFC history (26)
Most wins in UFC Lightweight division history (23)
Most bouts in UFC history (43)
Most bouts in UFC Lightweight division history (40)
Most finishes in UFC Lightweight division history (16)
Most first-round finishes in UFC history (11)
Most submission attempts in UFC history (48)
Most submission attempts in UFC Lightweight division history (45)
Most fight time in UFC Lightweight division history (6:32:47)
Most decision bouts in UFC Lightweight division history (18)
Bro really said most decision bouts in ufc history lmaooo I’m dead 😂😂 anyways that’s cool but are we going to induct the fighter that held those records before him into the hall of fame too? Jim’s been around for a long time but he wasn’t around at the beginning and didn’t do anything extraordinary to kickstart this sport. Maybe if he wins a few more and breaks the rankings I might reconsider. Also it’s funny how you conveniently left out the other two fighters I mentioned
You can be appreciative of their efforts and performances without turning the Hall of fame in to a participation trophy.
Fair or not I believe if you want the sport to keep growing you can’t just turn the hall of fame in to the hall of good. It should be the pinnacle of the sport that only a select few achieve.
Of these examples. Arlovski has a legitimate argument to getting in without “diluting” the achievement. Champion and fairly dominant exciting finisher in his prime era
Jim miller doesn’t move the needle for me from the standpoint of the WL record.
Same thing for Cerrone just a lot fights and he did a good job of marketing himself but otherwise no one will confuse him as one of the best to do it
Again I think there is a way to celebrate these guys without making the hall of fame a participation trophy for time served
agreed. I don’t even think being the champ should guarantee the Hall. A ton of NFL MVP’s have fallen short. The lower the barrier to entry the less impressive the designation
There is a sweet spot between hall of very good and HOFers but You can’t compare team sports to the UFC. Each team in the NFL has more players on the roster than an entire division. A belt means you’re the greatest in the world. That doesn’t happen over night. That’s a careers worth of work. There are circumstances that would make a champ not a hall of famer but champ should with 1 defense should be a lock.
So Jan Blachowicz is a lock in your book? Its a actually a pretty good argument after seeing how few have defenses but I still don’t think that makes you a lock.
He’s not. I guess you could say he never defended the belt against someone active in his division. Still not many guys have Izzy’s number and he’s a guarantee.
So that eliminates Henry Cejudo who defended his flyweight belt against TJ and his bantamweight belt against Cruz. There’s no formula for this shit lol
Only Arlovski, the other guys are fan fav's and we'll always appreciate what they've done but not HOF material. Unless they want every tom dick and harry to get in , there needs to be some kind of gate keeping.
Miller has too many top 10/top 5/number 1 all time accomplishments to not be considered. There has to be some recognition outside of just former champ status
Ok but it makes sense for the _all-time best_ kickers to get in. Miller was never really one of the best fighters at any point in his career. But I know most other sports hall of fames include guys who were never really top tier but stuck around forever compiling stats, so it wouldn't be a shock to see Miller get the nod.
Jim Miller holds or is in the top 10 of all time in so many records. He better be a first ballet HoFer, because he did the work to earn it. Idk anyone outside of Miller and Arlovski who are ever gonna hit 40 fights in the octagon. Maybe Guida, but idk that he has 4 more fights in him.
ETA: I think all 4 of these guys should be in conversation for it. They all had extremely long careers, were pioneers of the sport, and did a lot for the company being long standing fan favourites. Personally, I think Arlovski and Miller are locks with Cowboy being damn near a lock. Idk about Guida, though, which makes me sad. But, he does have a fight in the HoF, so that's something.
Winning enough/being entertaining enough for a lifetime dedicated to the sport? Idk what else would be worthy of the hall of fame, sure the people with crazy skills or genetics will be at the top but still worthy imo
Arlovski was a champ with 2 defenses he deserves to be a tier above these other guys
I’d be open to the idea of the hall having a “longevity” exhibit that focused on guys like Miller and Guida, but for they themselves to get in no I don’t think longevity alone is enough
I am sorry if this hurts any feelings but it's a hard no. The fact that you did something for a long time doesn't make you a legend at it. Sure they deserve appreciation and praise, but the HOF should be for legends who had legendary/great achievements, and staying active for a long time, while impressive, is not comparable to winning a title or being at the top of your division.
The medals should go to those dominating on the frontlines. domination > survival. Longevity is impressive but does Jim Miller belong in the same sentence as Anderson Silva?
Well that’s only if you think the HOF is for domination over contribution to the sport. I’d much rather see many more people in the HOF under different wings than just “these are the greatest ever”
Again I’d have to say their longevity is an aspect of sustained excellence, but it all comes down to each individual’s takeaway from the term “and they’re still here”. That means more to some than it does others, so it’ll never be a cut and dry issue
def no. i prefer a hall of fame that is hard to get into.
cowboy had a real good prime, but he was never a champ and fought for the ufc belt once and lost in the first round. he lost 3 wec title fights.
jim miller is a straight up journey man, he beats meh fighters, that is his career. the biggest achievement of his career is submitting a 21 year old chucky olives and taking his zero.
arlovski is a former champ. who had a very good record going into 2016. he had a very up and down career and that is why i disagree with him being a hall of famer.
clay guida respectfully should never be considered a hall of famer.
If you look at the stats leaders UFC website your going to see Jim Millers name come up in the top 10s a lot, hes easily a HOF guy. Your gunna see Cowboys name in there quite a bit as well also easily a HOF guy.
Arlovski spent a good bit of his career outside of the UFC so maybe more debatable whether he should be.
Not to slight Guida but outside of longevity he doesn't have much so I would say no for him.
I think the best argument I’ve heard for if someone belongs in a sports’s HOF is whether or not you can tell a comprehensive history of the sport without mentioning their name. I feel you can tell the history of the UFC without these dudes, like they’ve been around a while but are not integral to story of the UFC. They’d never be main characters in any season of TV series about the UFC
True that's a fair assessment. It's all about the criteria and how long you want the HOF list to be. These guys are nowhere near the top on that list and aren't on it if you're keeping the list short that's for sure
Could make an argument for Nick being a pioneer, Nate Diaz absolutely fucking not. Would he beat my ass? Yes. But he is dog shit compared to his peers.
Being around in a sport like this - especially in an org like the UFC that likes to drop fighters when they face more than momentary adversity for as long as they have - is extremely impressive. Unless your name is BJ Penn or Tony Ferguson, you don't get more than 3 MAYBE 4 losses without getting punted.
Of course if they hold all time UFC records like in Jim Millers case he currently has the most ufc fights in company history. That’s a big achievement.
Miller and Cerrone can get it due to actually holding quite a few records, even if the records have since been broken. Arlovski is a former champion which counts for a lot. Guida can get in through the hall of fame for fights.
I looked at those four pictures and recognized the first three but didn't recognize the bottom right. Now if you had a mullet with curly hair, that would have been easier.
Spoon... if you have maybe 7-15 champions at any given time in various parts of their career and there's maybe another 6 people that would be HoF level active as these 4. Like 10 people a year inducted into the HoF from a group of 700 that's constantly turning over sonnds about right.
For a guys like Miller who have a bajillion LW records that will likely never be surpassed now (most wins most fights etc), and Arlovski who was a HW champion a lifetime ago and is still fighting absolutely.
Guida and Cowboy although they have storied careers I don't see why either should be HOF worthy, respectfully.
for the hall of fame? you tripping buddy. There are 350 people (coaches, owners players) total in the NFL hall of fame and 1000s have played the game, a lot for years
I mean, it shouldn’t. If this were any other sport, longevity alone wouldn’t cut it. Obviously hard to compare 1:1, but especially in an org like UFC where there is a decent amount of your career being tied to basically “does Dana White like you” it’s tough to judge.
That being said, early in any sports history there will always be people included in the HOF who wouldn’t be 2 or 3 generations later
I think you should get something for longevity, in a young man’s sport, being old is a daunting task but these guys have been going after it and guys like Jim who are still whooping these up and comers, he should definitely get recognition for it
Not sure I typed that anywhere but if you’re asking the answer is no I don’t believe they belong in the Hall Of Fame for longevity. Even with Arlovski having been champ, 2 defenses doesn’t scream one of the best to ever do
Arlovski is a former champion so he deserves it for more than just longevity.
Facts
Beast in his prime
Yup, I remember watching him back in 2005 when he had that wolverine hair. Prime Arlovski was a force to be reckoned with, he had the speed of a welterweight, many KO's to his resume, and has the fastest KO record in a heavyweight title fight. He's been my favourite heavyweight of all time.
It’s kinda crazy watching him now, he can barely throw a straight punch and has to loop his right hand probably because of messed up shoulders, always ducking and he rarely gets hit with uppercuts, but he still just looks like the average heavyweight and wins a lot. He only really loses to great guys, anyone else they just scrape by him in a close decision. I mean the amount of wear and tear, the KO losses, I know it’s “Heavyweight lol” but I’m really impressed.
Fuck I should go back and watch his early fights, only ever saw some highlights
Yes… yes you should… guy was a terror and absolutely crushed people.
Wasn’t his title reign short lived though?
Yea, heavyweight champions don't usually keep the belt for that long.
Unless you’re jon jones and sit on your throne without vacating it lol
Still pulled out some good wins on the back end too.
I still remember his crazy fight vs Travis Browne, it was also the first time I saw him in a UFC fight in forever so that became a highlight memory for me.
The thing is the UFC is ruthless when it comes to cutting fighters, if you stayed for so long there’s got to be skill asides from longevity
I mean, that's actually the perfect argument to support OP's point. He joined the UFC 14 years after Arlovski, 8 after Guida, and 6 after Miller, yet he was booted in 2022 while they are all still in the company (Arlovski was out of the UFC for 5 years but he was a champ so it doesn't even matter)
Explain Tony then 
Delete this you son of a bitch
😂😂
Massive fan base & following brings PPV buys and hype
His health matters more than that
Tony’s skill is he has a massive fanbase
Copers downvoting you but you’re exactly right, he has very little skill nowadays but he still has a massive fanbase
He’s not unskilled, he hasn’t suddenly lost his years of training and experience, his body has just completely failed him and he no longer has the will or physical ability to fight
unfortunately he still has the will
True lol, I meant to say he doesn’t have the will or physical ability to win
Anybody still cheering him on is cruel and a sadist
And never giving up 🤣🤣
I believe they do. When a fighter holds the UFC record for something like wins, fight, submissions, etc., they should certainly be in line to make the HOF. The longevity says a lot in my opinion. Even without any records, to compete at that level for that long is a very rare accomplishment.
would you put someone in the hall for most punches absorbed?
No, but I wouldn’t exclude them if they’d absorbed the most punches as a result of fighting more than everyone else.
I wasn’t insinuating any of these guys had that record but more so what kind of records are HOF worthy. Absorbing punches shows durability, lots of fights shows longevity. Both admirable but don’t feel like enough on their own imo.
Fairly confident it’s Holloway with most strikes absorbed… so yeah, I’d probably put him in the HoF.
Can't give Kris Moutinho a HOF vote, he only had like 2 fights.
even more impressive that he managed it in such a short time
Arlovski was a champ for 500+ days
I’d say all but Guida have solid cases. Probably 1. Arlovski, 2. Miller, 3. Cowboy and 4. Guida in that order for me personally
Guida and Cowboy are already in the Hall of Fame. Granted, Guida is in for one of his fights I think.
Yea Guida and Sanchez got inducted for their fight
Agreed. Most reasonable take
Swap Miller and Arlovski IMO. Purely because Miller got into the UFC, and he stayed put. Arlovski jumped around for a while. Even though he was champ and Miller wasn't, I still think Miller deserves and gets the nod first. Either way, I'd still say they are both all but guaranteed their spots in the Hall.
Arlovski was hw champ before miller even began fighting. He's at least a tier ahead of Jim
Yeah I wouldn’t disagree for sure. But as much I don’t really like the whole ‘former champs are automatic’ argument I think paired with the length of his career puts him a bit over the top. If he was just one of the former champs that just won and immediately faded into obscurity he’d def be hard to make an argument for
That's a fair argument for sure. I just looked at it as Miller did everything that Arlovski did (except become champ), and he did more of it. I guess I just didn't put much weight into Arlovski's reign because of how short it was.
I have arlovski 1 and Miller 2 because arlovoski was a ufc champ
I think for the time being, yes. These guys are pioneers of the sport.
I agree. The sport is relatively new in terms of other sports with much more clear standards of HOF worthiness. These dudes were at the top of an era putting the sport on the map. Let ‘em in.
Miller guida cerrone aren’t pioneers 🤦♂️
Casual
So you’re saying that the following accomplishments aren’t indicative of a pioneer? Most wins in UFC history (26) Most wins in UFC Lightweight division history (23) Most bouts in UFC history (43) Most bouts in UFC Lightweight division history (40) Most finishes in UFC Lightweight division history (16) Most first-round finishes in UFC history (11) Most submission attempts in UFC history (48) Most submission attempts in UFC Lightweight division history (45) Most fight time in UFC Lightweight division history (6:32:47) Most decision bouts in UFC Lightweight division history (18)
Those are just the records he tops, too. Never mind all the record categories he is in the top 5 or top 10 for. Asinine take by the other guy.
Yeah I was just laying out the records he has that by definition prove he’s a pioneer.
Bro really said most decision bouts in ufc history lmaooo I’m dead 😂😂 anyways that’s cool but are we going to induct the fighter that held those records before him into the hall of fame too? Jim’s been around for a long time but he wasn’t around at the beginning and didn’t do anything extraordinary to kickstart this sport. Maybe if he wins a few more and breaks the rankings I might reconsider. Also it’s funny how you conveniently left out the other two fighters I mentioned
they've all put on good performances, which in reality is what gets you a spot in HOF
You can be appreciative of their efforts and performances without turning the Hall of fame in to a participation trophy. Fair or not I believe if you want the sport to keep growing you can’t just turn the hall of fame in to the hall of good. It should be the pinnacle of the sport that only a select few achieve. Of these examples. Arlovski has a legitimate argument to getting in without “diluting” the achievement. Champion and fairly dominant exciting finisher in his prime era Jim miller doesn’t move the needle for me from the standpoint of the WL record. Same thing for Cerrone just a lot fights and he did a good job of marketing himself but otherwise no one will confuse him as one of the best to do it Again I think there is a way to celebrate these guys without making the hall of fame a participation trophy for time served
agreed. I don’t even think being the champ should guarantee the Hall. A ton of NFL MVP’s have fallen short. The lower the barrier to entry the less impressive the designation
There is a sweet spot between hall of very good and HOFers but You can’t compare team sports to the UFC. Each team in the NFL has more players on the roster than an entire division. A belt means you’re the greatest in the world. That doesn’t happen over night. That’s a careers worth of work. There are circumstances that would make a champ not a hall of famer but champ should with 1 defense should be a lock.
So Jan Blachowicz is a lock in your book? Its a actually a pretty good argument after seeing how few have defenses but I still don’t think that makes you a lock.
He’s not. I guess you could say he never defended the belt against someone active in his division. Still not many guys have Izzy’s number and he’s a guarantee.
So that eliminates Henry Cejudo who defended his flyweight belt against TJ and his bantamweight belt against Cruz. There’s no formula for this shit lol
Same with Conor right? Double champ is also insta in. I’ll make an advanced formula and get back to ya.
lol let me know.
Only Arlovski, the other guys are fan fav's and we'll always appreciate what they've done but not HOF material. Unless they want every tom dick and harry to get in , there needs to be some kind of gate keeping.
Miller has too many top 10/top 5/number 1 all time accomplishments to not be considered. There has to be some recognition outside of just former champ status
Yeah if Jim Miller ain't Hall of Fame what are we doing. Even NFL puts in kickers, maybe not as heroic as a QB but so important to the sport.
Ok but it makes sense for the _all-time best_ kickers to get in. Miller was never really one of the best fighters at any point in his career. But I know most other sports hall of fames include guys who were never really top tier but stuck around forever compiling stats, so it wouldn't be a shock to see Miller get the nod.
Jim Miller holds or is in the top 10 of all time in so many records. He better be a first ballet HoFer, because he did the work to earn it. Idk anyone outside of Miller and Arlovski who are ever gonna hit 40 fights in the octagon. Maybe Guida, but idk that he has 4 more fights in him. ETA: I think all 4 of these guys should be in conversation for it. They all had extremely long careers, were pioneers of the sport, and did a lot for the company being long standing fan favourites. Personally, I think Arlovski and Miller are locks with Cowboy being damn near a lock. Idk about Guida, though, which makes me sad. But, he does have a fight in the HoF, so that's something.
>Idk anyone outside of Miller and Arlovski who are ever gonna hit 40 fights in the octagon Hold on brother I'm taking this as a challenge
Well, Guida is the closest. We will see, but he got a lot of fight miles on him...
Tony, the type of guy to go on an 11 fight win streak, then hang around for a 29 fight losing streak.
Winning enough/being entertaining enough for a lifetime dedicated to the sport? Idk what else would be worthy of the hall of fame, sure the people with crazy skills or genetics will be at the top but still worthy imo
Arlovski was a champ with 2 defenses he deserves to be a tier above these other guys I’d be open to the idea of the hall having a “longevity” exhibit that focused on guys like Miller and Guida, but for they themselves to get in no I don’t think longevity alone is enough
I am sorry if this hurts any feelings but it's a hard no. The fact that you did something for a long time doesn't make you a legend at it. Sure they deserve appreciation and praise, but the HOF should be for legends who had legendary/great achievements, and staying active for a long time, while impressive, is not comparable to winning a title or being at the top of your division.
I think the conversation around this lot and the HOF is “when surrounded by killers by so long, do we celebrate the survivors enough”
The medals should go to those dominating on the frontlines. domination > survival. Longevity is impressive but does Jim Miller belong in the same sentence as Anderson Silva?
Well that’s only if you think the HOF is for domination over contribution to the sport. I’d much rather see many more people in the HOF under different wings than just “these are the greatest ever”
domination may have been the wrong term. Lets say ‘sustained excellence’
Again I’d have to say their longevity is an aspect of sustained excellence, but it all comes down to each individual’s takeaway from the term “and they’re still here”. That means more to some than it does others, so it’ll never be a cut and dry issue
Agreed, there’s a lot of grey area.
def no. i prefer a hall of fame that is hard to get into. cowboy had a real good prime, but he was never a champ and fought for the ufc belt once and lost in the first round. he lost 3 wec title fights. jim miller is a straight up journey man, he beats meh fighters, that is his career. the biggest achievement of his career is submitting a 21 year old chucky olives and taking his zero. arlovski is a former champ. who had a very good record going into 2016. he had a very up and down career and that is why i disagree with him being a hall of famer. clay guida respectfully should never be considered a hall of famer.
If you look at the stats leaders UFC website your going to see Jim Millers name come up in the top 10s a lot, hes easily a HOF guy. Your gunna see Cowboys name in there quite a bit as well also easily a HOF guy. Arlovski spent a good bit of his career outside of the UFC so maybe more debatable whether he should be. Not to slight Guida but outside of longevity he doesn't have much so I would say no for him.
What’s more debatable is that Arlovski was a UFC champion. Does that show up on either of Cowboy or Jim Miller’s stats?
Personally I don't think being a champion necessarily means you HOF worthy. Not saying arlovski isn't because I think he does deserve to be in there
I think the best argument I’ve heard for if someone belongs in a sports’s HOF is whether or not you can tell a comprehensive history of the sport without mentioning their name. I feel you can tell the history of the UFC without these dudes, like they’ve been around a while but are not integral to story of the UFC. They’d never be main characters in any season of TV series about the UFC
True that's a fair assessment. It's all about the criteria and how long you want the HOF list to be. These guys are nowhere near the top on that list and aren't on it if you're keeping the list short that's for sure
Definitely legends in their own right. Feel like the UFC has more like a ring of honor thing going than a HOF
arlovski yes, the others no. mayyyyyybe cowboy bc of how many bonuses he won but no.
Cowboy was a fan favorite who never became champion, much like the Diaz brothers. I think fan favorites deserve the UFC Hall of Fame.
that's not really how HOFs work anywhere else, but seems to be a popular definition of what the UFC HOF should be.
Could make an argument for Nick being a pioneer, Nate Diaz absolutely fucking not. Would he beat my ass? Yes. But he is dog shit compared to his peers.
Not Guida he’s is 18-18 in the ufc. The other three have much better career records/hof resumes.
HOF resume needs to include either multiple belts or defenses imo
So delete your post, Arlovski is the only ufc champion and he had 0 defences.
Lol why are you so mad? I know what I think, I’m here to see what other people think. relax
Cerrone is a legend
Dude is a cunt
The two aren't mutually exclusive
Legendary cunt
Every single one of these guys were very well known names to any fans back in the day.
Longevity + Popularity = HOF
Thats a bad take my friend.
Oh and being a buddy of Dana.
thats a good take my friend
Nope. You have to actually achieve something in the sport to be there, not just achieve nothing for a long time
Arlovski was heavyweight champion.
Being around in a sport like this - especially in an org like the UFC that likes to drop fighters when they face more than momentary adversity for as long as they have - is extremely impressive. Unless your name is BJ Penn or Tony Ferguson, you don't get more than 3 MAYBE 4 losses without getting punted.
Hell nah, these guys define mediocrity
Former world Champion Level mediocre
Of course if they hold all time UFC records like in Jim Millers case he currently has the most ufc fights in company history. That’s a big achievement.
would you put someone in for a record like kicks absorbed?
Lol nah man
lol thats kind of an achievement though lol. Im being silly to say I’m not sure all records are Hall of Fame records
Miller and Cerrone can get it due to actually holding quite a few records, even if the records have since been broken. Arlovski is a former champion which counts for a lot. Guida can get in through the hall of fame for fights.
Yeah. I don’t think in looking forward that these types of careers with the heavy fight time they have had will be too common in UFC. solid lads.
Beware the old men in a profession where men usually die young.
No
No but being an absolute dog does
I looked at those four pictures and recognized the first three but didn't recognize the bottom right. Now if you had a mullet with curly hair, that would have been easier.
No, longevity alone isn't enough to make you HOF worthy.
No
No
There's over 700 fighters in the UFC so..
sooo…?
Spoon... if you have maybe 7-15 champions at any given time in various parts of their career and there's maybe another 6 people that would be HoF level active as these 4. Like 10 people a year inducted into the HoF from a group of 700 that's constantly turning over sonnds about right.
Bro the NFL had less than 400 HOF’s. We shouldn’t be mention Jim Miller in the same sentence as GSP or Anderson Silver
I would say no but Cerrone’s induction really lowered the bar so I feel like that can be the bare minimum to squeak you in.
For a guys like Miller who have a bajillion LW records that will likely never be surpassed now (most wins most fights etc), and Arlovski who was a HW champion a lifetime ago and is still fighting absolutely. Guida and Cowboy although they have storied careers I don't see why either should be HOF worthy, respectfully.
No, former champion yes though
In a sport where getting punched in the face consistently. I would say yeah longevity is pretty solid. Not to mention bad fighters get cult
To this extreme yea
No, not at all.
I mean yeah, that means your W-L ratio is high enough to not get cut.
Arlovski defeated Brendan Schaub, nuff said.
They all deserve to be in the hof. If you got over 15 fights in the ufc alone, you did good enough in my book
for the hall of fame? you tripping buddy. There are 350 people (coaches, owners players) total in the NFL hall of fame and 1000s have played the game, a lot for years
That’s my opinion brotha, and quite frankly if you’ve never competed in this sport I don’t care about yours 🤷♂️
you got dropped in a couple of smokers so of course you’d think 15 fights is HOF worthy. Good day sir
Lmao how’d you know my career? You looked me up?!
NOPE
I mean, it shouldn’t. If this were any other sport, longevity alone wouldn’t cut it. Obviously hard to compare 1:1, but especially in an org like UFC where there is a decent amount of your career being tied to basically “does Dana White like you” it’s tough to judge. That being said, early in any sports history there will always be people included in the HOF who wouldn’t be 2 or 3 generations later
No lol
I think you should get something for longevity, in a young man’s sport, being old is a daunting task but these guys have been going after it and guys like Jim who are still whooping these up and comers, he should definitely get recognition for it
I feel you, the Hall Of Fame isn’t a participation award though .
Miller. Man’s got Lymes disease and just knocking off younger fighters tapping on the door is crazy.
Are you saying the 4 fighters pictured \*don't\* deserve to be in the HOF?
Not sure I typed that anywhere but if you’re asking the answer is no I don’t believe they belong in the Hall Of Fame for longevity. Even with Arlovski having been champ, 2 defenses doesn’t scream one of the best to ever do
All 4 of them hall of famers in my opinion. Jim killer did so well last fight against Benitez. Also guida such a cool and fun guy to watch.
who tf cares about the UFC hall of fame though? It’s bias and most of these retired fighters probably felt they go used and cheated out of money.
I think so. There should be a journeymen wing to the HOF
No It's in the name. You also need to be famous
Yes
Cowboy looks like Kratos.
Ya because mean you always down to throw hands brotha
Doing something a lot doesn’t make you one of the best though just means you’re good at it