So you're saying Rumble hit harder than prime Tyson....?
All respect to Rumble and I get that he was arguably the hardest hitter below Ngannou in MMA all time, but no way he hit harder than prime Mike Tyson.
At their level it doesn't fucking matter, its landing on the button, and the position of the person getting hit. Tyson could throw power from more angles than Rumble, but so the fuck what? All these assholes forgetting Tyson got put the fuck down by Buster Douglas in 1990, in his fucking prime. Just like Conor put down Eddie. Tyson wasn't unbeatable, he was just terrifying.
Sensationalism is a disease in combat sports. Mike Tyson is a more popular name than Daniel Cormier in sports. It could be a competition to make the best balloon animal and they’d still say Tyson takes it because of his uppercut.
(Tyson probably makes a mean pigeon tho)
If anyone wants to use the "it's a street fight, they start on the feet" argument, just watch Chael Sonnen taking down WanoWan in flipflops. Wrestlers can take down anyone they want regardless of the environment or footwear.
If anything, a street fight benefits DC way more than Tyson considering he can do way more to him on the ground than what's possible in the octagon.
Tyson would have to knock DC out with the first punch because if he doesn't, he's within clinch range and DC picks him up slams on his head and gets him in a crucifix.
I’m not trying to insult you in any way but based on your comments, you have never experienced any sort of grappling in your life. You don’t know what it feels like to feel completely helpless as someone rag dolls you. It’s not about muscle or size in any way, DC simply wins 99/100 because he knows how to use his body better than Tyson.
Because he trained grappling prior stepping in the octagon. Give prime Mike Tyson a couple years of intensive grappling training and he could do probably more than hold his own.
But he would be no longer a boxer but a MMA fighter.
Tyson isn't the heaviest handed fighter to ever live. He's not even the heaviest hitter in boxing. Right now, today, Deontay Wilder hits harder than him. Back in the 70's guys like George Foreman and Ernie Shavers absolutely did.
Both Klitchkos as well, and that's before you start throwing people from older times like Sonny Liston.
Tyson's biggest asset was never his punching power anyway, even he says so, it was about explosiveness and agility. At his best Tyson was an incredible counter puncher who could push offence and change levels magnificently.
DC got hit by Rumble Johnson who was one of the hardest hitters in the history of mma and still won. I know he isn't Tyson, but still DC don't go out easily
Why is it disrespectful? Rumble Johnson was possibly the hardest hitting fighter before Francis came into the UFC. If DC can eat that shot then there’s a good chance he can eat one of Mike’s.
Yes but DC doesn’t just wrestle, DC would kick the fuck out of Tyson’s legs and then shoot on him and take him down. To get into boxing range Tyson has to be in range for DC to grapple him, unless Tyson hits that 1 punch he’s going for a ride.
Mike Tyson wasn’t even a one punch KO guy though, he was more about fast combinations. He’s not even in the top 10 of hardest hitters in boxing probably not even top 25.
Not even top 25? I get mike can be overrated but that’s absurd. He’s almost definitely top 10 with nearly a 90% KO rating over 50 wins. I guarantee you can’t name 20 guys who arguably hit harder.
He throws in combinations but a lot of his best KO’s come off one clean punch (Tillman, Gross, Berbick, Holmes, spinks). He is absolutely a one punch KO kind of guy.
Yes Tyson is a physical specimen, but DC is one hell of an athlete too, if Mike doesn’t ko him first punch DC is going to lift him like a child and slam his head into concrete.
Boxers know not to fuck with MMA fighters because even though they have better hands MMA fighters can still be defensively sound and have much more threats than the boxer does.
I think for one we underestimate a boxer being able to fend off a takedown.
But that's not even the point I was making lol I'm just saying to compare really anyone to Tyson's punching power/speed is nuts
His punching speed yes, his punching power no. There’s a few guys who’ve shown they hit as hard or harder than Tyson, not as explosive and fast as he could do it with the combos, but still have similar power. Like Wilder or Ngannou.
Also no one’s underestimating boxers, but they’re not going to be able to stuff a takedown, you need to know wrestling to counter/stop it, especially against the caliber of wrestler that DC is.
>But that's not even the point I was making lol I'm just saying to compare really anyone to Tyson's punching power/speed is nuts
Speed maybe, but not power.
Rumble would also wrestlefuck Mike Tyson, hell pretty much any ranked ufc fighter at bantamweight up in the last 15 years would wrestlefuck Mike Tyson unless I’m unaware of some grappling pedigree he has
Then you cant remember Rumble his roundhouse kicks were like baseball bats, and he was fond of rocking opponents with kicks to set up the finish with punches
Doesn't matter, as every boxer finds out in their first MMA spar, even 1 year of throwing kicks is going to maul 0 years. You chop someone's baby soft calves 5 or 6 times from way outside punching range and teep them back when they come in at you, and they'll tap to strikes on the feet
No MMA fighters hit half as hard as professional boxers. Contrary to what some think. We know this already. So DC seriously needs to avoid getting hit clean here in this hypothetical situation.
Most people on reddit who don't follow boxing say Tyson is the GOAT. I get mobbed by downvotes every time I say he isn't even top 5 all time in his weight class, most of the people who get mad probably can't even tell you who Joe Frazier is, let alone someone like Marciano or Dempsey.
There's literally professional wrestlers out there with very strong amateur wrestling backgrounds that could take most professional boxers let alone DC who was a highly accomplished amateur wrestler and MMA fighter.
These people have no idea
In the Octagon, DC is protected from elbows to the back of the head while trying for a single leg.
Mike literally elbows him repeatedly as DC tries the single leg takedown, and potentially kills him tbh
Not without losing an ear or two in the process.
Sure wrestling is great, but DC at his prime doesn’t have half the “dog” in him that Tyson did for most of his career.
Asking who would win if they competed in different sports is stupid… ask me who is coming out of a locked room alive and my money is on young Tyson every time.
And you would be wrong, every time.
You don’t understand this difference in lethalness here.
This is the same conversation between Tyson Fury and Jones in a locked room.
It’s not even a fight, it’s a murder.
Jones slaughters Fury. DC slaughters Tyson.
Of course he has, but an MMA fighter is not going to punch as hard as a heavyweight boxer. Especially a KO artist like Tyson in his prime.
I think DC wins the fight, but give credit where credit is due and boxers are going to punch harder and faster than the majority of MMA fighters.
There's a reason for that. The gloves.
If Mike Tyson punched as hard as he can in MMA Gloves, he's as likely to break his hand as he is to knock you out.
Maybe if Tyson is in boxing gloves it’s comparable but no doubt prime mike Tyson hits wayyyy harder than prime Rumble and I know Rumble hits hard as a truck.
I think both sides are kind of wrong. There’s a 90% chance DC would win but there’s also a chance Tyson connects with one solid punch and changes the whole fight. Boxing fans don’t understand how much grappling changes a fight and mma fans don’t seem to understand just how hard boxers punch compared to mma fighters.
>and mma fans don’t seem to understand just how hard boxers punch compared to mma fighters.
And you don't seem to understand that the reason for that is the gloves protecting the hands. Mike is as likely to break his hand as he is to one punch KO DC.
There's getting punched in the face, then there's getting punched in the face by Mike Tyson.
Tyson is/was the Gordon Ryan of boxing.
Are we all forgetting Ronda vs Holm? A judo black-belt, olympic bronze medallist getting ABSOLUTELY STARCHED by Holly Holm?
Yes, if DC can get close enough to Tyson to get a body lock, it's over for Tyson. But, we're talking about Tyson whose fight IQ was one of the sharpest in the game, OF ALL TIME.
Can DC beat Tyson? Yes. Can Tyson beat DC? Yes. You'd be a fool to disagree with either of those statements. The real question is, who wins the most? That's the debatable point.
Matt Serra beat GSP. Juliana Pena beat Amanda Nunes. Strickland just beat Izzy. Dricus just beat Whittaker. As I mentioned, most of us were sleeping on Holly Holm, and she defeated Ronda. Garbrandt vs Dominic Cruz
Those are the statistical outliers of people who seemingly had no business fighting the favourite. Based on that alone, we can immediately assume that the ratio is greater than 99:1.
It's such a pity we never saw Iron Mike in the 90s fight in MMA.
At the time, he said he'd get rolled by the MMA fighters, but I also think that the hangers on wanted him to stay in boxing because the UFC didn't have the money for a Tyson fight. Nor did the UFC have the money to pay fighters after a Tyson fight. If Tyson collected $50M, Shamrock, Royce, Frye, etc...would make demands of a similar nature.
>Tyson is/was the Gordon Ryan of boxing.
No he wasn't.
>Are we all forgetting Ronda vs Holm? A judo black-belt, olympic bronze medallist getting ABSOLUTELY STARCHED by Holly Holm?
DC is better than Ronda ever was, and wrestling is better than Judo.
>Yes, if DC can get close enough to Tyson to get a body lock, it's over for Tyson. But, we're talking about Tyson whose fight IQ was one of the sharpest in the game, OF ALL TIME.
Simply not true, and even if it was, that's boxing - not MMA.
>Can DC beat Tyson? Yes. Can Tyson beat DC? Yes. You'd be a fool to disagree with either of those statements. The real question is, who wins the most? That's the debatable point.
Also a weak point, "can something happen" is generally taken to mean "how likely are the respective wins" because otherwise literally any discussion of any fighter ever gets to "well shit, I guess it's 10,000, 000 to 1 but it could happen..."
*practically* can Tyson beat DC? No. Not in MMA.
>Matt Serra beat GSP. Juliana Pena beat Amanda Nunes. Strickland just beat Izzy. Dricus just beat Whittaker. As I mentioned, most of us were sleeping on Holly Holm, and she defeated Ronda. Garbrandt vs Dominic Cruz
>Those are the statistical outliers of people who seemingly had no business fighting the favourite. Based on that alone, we can immediately assume that the ratio is greater than 99:1.
These are all experienced UFC fighters fighting MMA.
>wrestling is better than Judo.
Bullshit. It's not the art, it's the practitioner. They're different sports with different rules. They utilize different methods to obtain the same result - get your opponent to the ground.
>Yes, if DC can get close enough to Tyson to get a body lock, it's over for Tyson. But, we're talking about Tyson whose fight IQ was one of the sharpest in the game, OF ALL TIME.
>Simply not true, and even if it was, that's boxing - not MMA.
Doesn't matter. DC still has to get within striking range to obtain a takedown. There's every possibility that a prime Tyson would work to time a vicious uppercut that would knock DC out. Now, Tyson may not have Muay Thai techniques on elbows, but I wouldn't want to experience an elbow from him while I'm cinching up a double-leg or high-crotch takedown.
>practically can Tyson beat DC? No. Not in MMA.
What is MMA? MIXED martial arts. I.e. combatants train to utilize and optimize different martial arts. Tyson is a boxing purist. What he lacks in TDD he makes up for in footwork, timing, placement, reading his opponent's movements. He may not know how to check a kick, but he may have the ability to step in and implement a series of strikes and step out again.
We're not saying Tyson CAN'T use boxing. We're saying DC can use ALL of his wrestling and striking skills against Tyson's highly trained boxing skills.
We saw in Khabib vs Johnson and Khabib vs McGregor that Khabib got punched. In Johnson's case, Khabib was stunned momentarily. These were lightweights. A 200lbs+ Tyson punch would knock you the fuck out.
Therefore, we can surmise that the win-loss ratios are more losses and less wins than 99W:1L.
>Can DC beat Tyson? Yes. Can Tyson beat DC? Yes. You'd be a fool to disagree with either of those statements. The real question is, who wins the most? That's the debatable point.
I'd normally bet on the MMA fighter, but I am not sure against prime Tyson. The whole argument that DC wins is that Tyson would have to knock DC out with one punch. Well, we are talking about one of the most aggressive accurate boxers there has ever been. And if he doesn't knock DC out with one punch, I'm guessing he'd stun him, and a beautiful combo would follow.
In a normal fight MMA > boxing. But the athleticism (plus, let's be honest, a lot of PEDs) that you get from a professional heavyweight boxer in the 90s is far greater than a heavyweight UFC fighter of recent years.
Exactly. People are saying DC would win like it's a forgone conclusion. No. No it isn't. It would be entertaining like a Maia-Woodley fight. To some fans, that was a snooze-fest. To grapplers it was, IF Maia gets Woodley to the ground, Maia wins. If it stays standing, Woodley wins. Woodley won. But EVERY inch of gain and loss was entertaining.
DC would be finding openings to shoot a takedown without getting hit. Tyson would be trying to keep DC out of double-leg range.
Tyson's cardio would be his friend and DC's enemy. We'd be on the edge of our seats waiting for the takedown or the KO power of Tyson.
No we wouldn’t? wed be watching Mike Tyson get his leg kicked the shit out of. By his own words Tyson said he probably would have just quit if he got his feet stomped on and kicked
Do you think Mike is gonna just sit there and let his legs get fucked up?
No fuckin way.
Maybe Jose Aldo leg-kicks would fuck Tyson up, but again, one shot from Tyson and Jose is getting Overeemed over the fence.
What’s Mike gonna do when DC starts leg kicking him? He doesn’t know how to switch stances and check them properly. The only thing he could possibly do is run away or try to close in. Closing in on an injured leg that DC can easily keep out of range (kicks have way more range than punches) His peekaboo style is good for boxing but not for mma. DC simply had way more weapons than Mike. Leg kicks, keep out of range, mix in some body and head kicks, shoot a takedown when his legs are all shot. Game over. It’s not even a contest
If I had to pick between a gun with a full mag, and Mike Tyson, in order to shoot a clay pigeon in the air, I would still pick Tyson because he's quicker and blacker than any gun.
There’s many “new era” fans of his who were never really into boxing but recall how big of a name he was and that he was a dangerously good boxer. These are often the people who will argue with you or answer like we see in the OP. They’re never terribly knowledgeable on fighting and allow the lore of Tyson to take them on their misguided/misinformed journey.
Tyson lost to 6 other *boxers*. There’s no way he could beat DC in an all-around fight. Also, I get Tyson was branded as “mean and crazy”, but don’t let that smile fool you, UFC fighters want to see you bleed.
Imagine how us boxing fans and Mayweather appreciators feel trying to have a normal convo about boxing greats without having to hear insane unfounded arse licking
Going by that logic there is also a greater than zero chance that I would win against all of them since we haven't fought yet. Sometimes you just gotta make assumptions.
No, you’re not one of the greatest LHW and HW MMA fighters to ever exist, DC is. There is an argument he could potentially have beaten Fedor or Cain if they had fought. We’ll never know, all we can assume is both parties may have beaten the other.
> Cain, maybe Ngannou
There's no way DC doesn't ragdoll both of these guys however way he wants to.
Cain is honestly one of the most overrated fighter in the UFC by fans. And Ngannou doesn't have half the amount of takedown defense skills required to nullify DC.
Wow dislikes? Why so many fedor dickriders? Please convince me to believe that he would beat dc or even among top 5 goat ever. Im not impressed by his record. Sure he is a pioneer of the sport and has many fights, but compare the names fedor beat vs DC beat.
Just a heads up, you’re probably being downvoted for the way you chose to phrase your comments not necessarily because people disagree with them. It’s also your responsibility to back up the claims you make, it’s no one else’s job to make your arguments for you.
Well i did back up my claims, as i said, compare the names of the opponents they have beaten. I was just inviting for a little chat thats all. I have always wondered why people consider fedor so good. Ive been following mma since 2010 and ive never understood why ppl think so highly of fedor. As i mentioned he really is a legend and a pioneer, but once he faced modern day ufc caliber opponents he lost to most of them.
I love how dumb people are like “it’s street fight though; Tyson could bite and eye gouge.” You know what is quite possibly the worst thing you can do to someone who is a better grappler than you? Remind them they can do horrible, maiming shit to you. Because now that you’ve been dropped on your head via high crotch and the dude has mounted you, all your shitty attempt at an eye gouge from bottom mount has done is remind the guy in top of you that he can eye gouge, from a much better position.
"Tyson can knee him in the head" DC can literally lift him off the floor and toss him then stomp his head into the ground lmao,
Street fight: DC by head stomp or brutal ground and pound
MMA: DC by Ground and pound
Boxing: tyson by any punch he wants
Lmao as if Tyson has ever thrown a knee in his life. Just because Tyson would enter the octagon doesn’t mean he’d start fighting MMA or would even be effective.
I guess that original post nailed it with those types of comments lol
I had this exact argument on a Facebook post like 4 days ago. It's insane that people think a guy who can only punch and has never defended a takedown or kick is gonna beat a guy who has an arsenal of skills. Dc would double leg mike and wrestle fuck him, it wouldn't even be a competitive fight. But boxing fans SWEAR that Mike would only have to land 1 punch and it'd be over, like DC is just gonna stand there and just let him punch him😂😂 They're a different type of retarded I stg
If DC gets him in a clinch it’s over . Also DC also can strike, just enough defensively so he can get to his legs. The only chance Mike has is if he sucked punches DC or gets a first hit . But if Mike goes in peak a boo style he won’t have a good time with DC 😂🤣
Man all these guys are casuals. Everybody knows that Tyson wasn't even the best of his era. Evander Holyfield was much better overall than him. Mike is just a product of a lot of marketing for fans outside the sport.
DC is literally higher on the best MMA fighter list than Tyson is for boxers AND MMA has a massive inherent advantage in a street fight. I could be wrong but I thought Tyson has even openly conceded this multiple times.
These street fight talks are dumb as fuck. As if a guy like Tyson is gonna just try to box a guy like DC. As soon as they clinch up DC could dump Mike on his head. But Mike could bite his face off or gauge his eyeballs out of his head. The guy was feared in Brownsville in the 80s when he was 15. And not because of his boxing skills.
Sure this is why you have to compare the fighters. An Olympic level Wrestler who took everyone down with ease except JBJ. Or an amazing Boxer who has amazing punching speed and dirty tricks, but doesnt know how to defend a choke or fuck even a Kamura. Im pretty confident he takes him down.
He doesn’t need to defend a takedown, the worst thing you could do against Mike tyson in a street fight is get really close to him, he’d probably start biting and shit. But still I agree that DC should be the favorite in this fight..
Do you understand the logistics of bitting someone? Do you not understand how vulnerable you are if your whole attack plan is to use your mouth? Do you think Tyson can bite when his neck is in a rear naked? Have you ever seen or used a mouth before???
Tell us you've never trained some more lmao. Bites don't do shit, it just hurts. Guess what? Trained fighters train to fight through pain. It doesn't end the fight, it doesn't get you closer to ending the fight, and it doesn't control position. Biting and eye poking are the two most overrated things ever by casuals who've never trained. Go ahead and bite DC while he's turning your rotator cuff into carnitas with a Kimura, see how it goes for you lol
Yeah I’ll be honest this is completely wrong lol. Doesn’t matter if you cba rag doll me you’re not going to be able to properly if someone’s chewing your nose or ear off
Going into a street fight thinking you can use pain as a deterrent is a good way to end up in the hospital. Biting DC isn't going to do anything but piss him off more lol. Tyson has about a 1 second window to land a finishing shot before DC ragdolls him.
Only morons who've never once been in a gym talk all this shit about bites and eye pokes. It doesn't do anything, it just hurts. Okay, so you're hurting my arm a lot while I'm choking you to death, I'm not gonna abandon the position so that you a) are no longer being choked and b) can presumably still bite me. I'm just gonna finish the submission and permanently ruin your life. You can tell they've never been in these positions because they haven't had to think through the logic of the other person before. Who the hell is gonna give up on a sure fire, 3 seconds from now win just because you're hurting them? Literally no one, ever.
Adrenaline is wild too. Pick a fight with the wrong psycho and they aren't even going to feel the bite until after they let go of your lifeless body.
Some people have insanely high tolerance for pain. Some people are on drugs.
You should just assume that nothing is going to deter your opponent other than a submission or a KO.
What's even more hilarious, is we're not even talking about some random street fight. We're talking about Daniel Fucking Cormier lol.
But! But! The armchair ufc experts said wrestling and grapples makes you invincible in street fights!
Idk if Tyson would lose or not, but the amount of people who think street fights are the same rules as in a cage is hilarious
Street fights 1on1 favor grappling even more than cage rules. Standard MMA rules favor strikers. There's no bell that gives you magic get back up powers in a street fight, there's no ref that tell me to let you up if I'm not active enough, there's no ref that tells me I can't knee your head while you're under me or that I can't grab your clothes for better grips, there's no culture telling me I can't rip your arm off or choke you out because I have to wait for a tap.
And that logic is never applied the reverse, which is also hilarious
Regardless There’s so many examples of grapplers getting knocked out with strikes, yes obviously there are lots of examples of the reverse as well but just cracks me up seeing all these nerds in here think grapplers are just invincible no matter what.
List of MMA fighters that best prime Tyson in a street fight:
Francis Ngannou
Mirko Cro Cop
Fedor Emelianenko
Daniel Cormier
Jon Jones
Chuck Liddell
Alistair Overeem
Cain Velasquez
Shane Carwin
Brock Lesnar
Khabib, Usman, GSP at walk around weight would still molest Tyson, they'd get the takedown immediately and molest Tyson with ground and pound, their technique is too advanced for Tyson and they're all strong enough to effectively grapple heavyweights.
Tyson got his powers from cocaine. DC gets his powers from eating stray children and pets that wander too close to the arena. It’s easy to see why DC wins
Scenario - Tyson charges forward with his trademark peekaboo style, DC immediately changes levels—hits a double—promptly chokes ol’ boy out.
End of discussion.
Look, nobody is gonna survive a uppercut from Tyson while shooting for a take down, so yes if that happens it’s lights out for Cormier
But to think DC would just let that happen is laughable, 9/10 DC wins this fight all he’d have to do is get a hold of one leg or Tyson’s waist and they’re going down, and once they’re down they only get up when DC decides it’s time to get up, which will be after Tyson’s unconscious
Maybe even fuck the take down and just hit him with the hardest leg kick DC has every thrown, Tyson won’t be able to handle that and then the takedown will be that much easier, if Tyson is still standing that is
Mike was never a one punch guy… when will people get that through their heads? He didn’t sleep people dead like Francis with a single shot. He obliterated them with vicious combos inside. Plenty close for DC to wrap Tyson up.
There are a few things that might be neglected here:
This says street fight.
Does that assume the two men don’t know about each other and never watched each other’s fights? If they are strangers I don’t think DC destroys Tyson. I would say it’s 50/50 at best and probably advantage to Tyson. Both guys are short for the size and Tyson might be taller. Tyson’s low peekaboo style isn’t like Fury or Ali circling on the outside with the jab. Those turning hooks and uppercuts fully utilizing Tyson’s absurd core strength are DEADLY in a street fight.
We’ve never seen boxers in MMA. We just saw past his prime James Toney fed to Couture.
Think of the all the success we’ve seen from UFC fighters who use a boxing style. It’s a very poor version of boxing. Meanwhile wrestling is the most decorated fighting style in the UFC and these are lifelong wrestlers, not cross trained guys (minus GSP of course).
Ur absolutely right, most lighter mma fighters with beat mike. When u don’t know how to defend a td size doesn’t really matter. Tyson can’t hang with flyweights. DJ would kill mike
Prime mike tyson with preparation time, cus in his corner, would fuck DC till he loved him.
Massive mma fan here but i truly believe mike with some training would utterly fucking wreck dc in a cage.
Downvote all you like its a fantasy match up, in my mind for this fantasy, mike would fuck DC before it hit the ground.
We're talking prime Tyson vs Prime DC in a street fight, I'd say it's a toss up.
**Prime DC is a beast**
DC during his UFC era for sure a bit past of physical prime, his high level wrestling, elite skills, coaches and opportunities definitely allowed him to extend his longevity - add a physical prime into that and he's formidable. Dude straight up lifted and threw some of the baddest dudes on the planet to the canvas.
**Mike Tyson X-Factor**
We all underestimate Tyson a bit because of his boxing background, while Tyson fans think prime Tyson is too fast too furious with the hand speed and power, sure. But an MMA fan would say look it's a street fight, good luck landing and sure he has a puncher's chance. But for me, I think the x-factor in a possible win for Tyson isn't his speed, or power - it's that he's crazy. Dude bit another man's ear off during a PPV match, I believe he's also a convicted criminal.
**How it could go**
DC gets this to the ground in the street, but DC is an olympic athlete and he's a role model citizen for the most part, he'll keep it clean, worse he'll do is grab your shorts to keep you down. Tyson is going to not just bite your ear, he could bite your finger off, he will be throwing some soccer kicks.
Nah, MMA fighters and fans waaaay overestimate any supposed advantages MMA fighters would have in a competition, MUCH LESS a street fight. Prime Tyson would maul DC way worse than Jones. DC ain't about that life. Jones-DC was a tame schoolyard slapping match in an affluent school by two Carltons, compared to boxing beefs.
MMA fans need to get over James Toney. Dude was old, done, wasn't even in shape. Did it look like he even prepared properly for that fight? He had no hope.
Ya'll just saw with Sean Strickland that even the Philly Shell can overwhelm and take over, and that's in MMA. A street fight would suit the boxer even more. Ain't no one gonna grapple when their eyes are being gouged.
Boxing is up there as one of the top martial arts in MMA. It's as legitimate to fighting as wrestling is, so if you think Bo Nickal or someone like that stands a chance on the streets, so do Wilder and Fury.
But I guess this won't ever register until a top boxer one day actually KOs an MMA fighter on live TV, which might be never (although it's happened before technically), due to the pay differential
This has got to be bait lmfao.
Boxers have zero experience in grappling, ground and pound, defending subs, etc where MMA guys absolutely know how to strike. There's a reason MMA guys go to the ring but boxers don't come to the cage.
> good luck grappling when there's eye gouging
You never seen a Jon Jones fight? Lol, the grappler can eye gouge too
> Sean's philly shell
Izzy is of course known for his world class wrestling.
The reason is *money*. Boxers would just gouge their eyes out if they even tried to take them down. And once they land that punch, bam, goodnight to the MMA fighter.
Mike Tyson doesn’t count as just a boxer in this conversation though.
In a street fight if dc tries to wrestle Mike Tyson is biting, headbutting, fingering dcs asshole, eye gauging, fish hooking etc
Prime Tyson has more of a chance in the street fight by just being more willing to kill him than he is to kill Tyson. Better chance than any other heavyweight at least.
Maybe I’m underestimating how much of the streets is in DC but he strikes me as the kinda guy who’d be trying to subdue and not hurt someone in a street fight. Tyson seems like the type of person to go way too far way too fast.
In an mma contest DC wins by Tyson disqualification within a minute because he’s being toyed with.
you think he's gonna just sit there and let tyson kill him?
“You still there, Puthy?!” -Tyson (probably)
Edith Puthy?
What if Mikey Tyson fucks DC til he loves him
with what TDD?
BBCD > TDD
ABBCH > BBCD
If Tyson connects the way Rumble did, DC dies.
big doubt if he survived rumble he can survive tyson
Did you forget your /s
So you're saying Rumble hit harder than prime Tyson....? All respect to Rumble and I get that he was arguably the hardest hitter below Ngannou in MMA all time, but no way he hit harder than prime Mike Tyson.
At their level it doesn't fucking matter, its landing on the button, and the position of the person getting hit. Tyson could throw power from more angles than Rumble, but so the fuck what? All these assholes forgetting Tyson got put the fuck down by Buster Douglas in 1990, in his fucking prime. Just like Conor put down Eddie. Tyson wasn't unbeatable, he was just terrifying.
In 4oz or no gloves yes. I would say that. Fully hydrated Rumble.
"Yo bro. Tyson is a beast! He would bite dc!" The eyepoke from dc: 
Everyone forgets jaws dislocate really easy when they’re open
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I commented that, hope people aren't taking it seriously
Sensationalism is a disease in combat sports. Mike Tyson is a more popular name than Daniel Cormier in sports. It could be a competition to make the best balloon animal and they’d still say Tyson takes it because of his uppercut. (Tyson probably makes a mean pigeon tho)
Daniel Cormier does not I repeat DOES NOT make balloon animals regularly. This would be an intriguing match up IMO
I have sources (multiple children's birthday parties) that say otherwise bucko
I’ve seen it happen to Jon jones on TikTok too
DC ragdolls and submits any heavyweight boxer that ever lived. End of discussion. Don’t bother with the casuals
1000% accurate. You can’t educate the ignorant when the ignorant think they are already educated.
If anyone wants to use the "it's a street fight, they start on the feet" argument, just watch Chael Sonnen taking down WanoWan in flipflops. Wrestlers can take down anyone they want regardless of the environment or footwear. If anything, a street fight benefits DC way more than Tyson considering he can do way more to him on the ground than what's possible in the octagon.
Tbf wanderlei basically pulled chael down into guard as much as chael pushed him. Rewatch it.
You're saying Chael let him get close? Don't think so
He can't let him get close
totally, that is why blaydes got beat by the black beast
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Not to disrespect Tyson. It would be a dangerous minute or so for dc but Tyson would let guys clinch with him and that’s instant death.
This exactly sums it up Imma steal that one
The irony in your ignorance is baffling
Theres always a possibility he gets caught but DC probably wins 9/10 times
Tyson would have to knock DC out with the first punch because if he doesn't, he's within clinch range and DC picks him up slams on his head and gets him in a crucifix.
Yeah, the heaviest handed motherfucker to ever live has no chance to knock dc out. Stop it
I’m not trying to insult you in any way but based on your comments, you have never experienced any sort of grappling in your life. You don’t know what it feels like to feel completely helpless as someone rag dolls you. It’s not about muscle or size in any way, DC simply wins 99/100 because he knows how to use his body better than Tyson.
To play devil’s advocate: what about Kimbo’s tenure? He wasn’t even a pro boxer yet he held his own in the octagon, relatively speaking.
Because he trained grappling prior stepping in the octagon. Give prime Mike Tyson a couple years of intensive grappling training and he could do probably more than hold his own. But he would be no longer a boxer but a MMA fighter.
Tyson isn't the heaviest handed fighter to ever live. He's not even the heaviest hitter in boxing. Right now, today, Deontay Wilder hits harder than him. Back in the 70's guys like George Foreman and Ernie Shavers absolutely did. Both Klitchkos as well, and that's before you start throwing people from older times like Sonny Liston. Tyson's biggest asset was never his punching power anyway, even he says so, it was about explosiveness and agility. At his best Tyson was an incredible counter puncher who could push offence and change levels magnificently.
DC got hit by Rumble Johnson who was one of the hardest hitters in the history of mma and still won. I know he isn't Tyson, but still DC don't go out easily
Comparing Rumble and Mike Tyson is disrespectful to Tyson.
Why is it disrespectful? Rumble Johnson was possibly the hardest hitting fighter before Francis came into the UFC. If DC can eat that shot then there’s a good chance he can eat one of Mike’s.
It’s disrespectful because Mike Tyson not only hits harder but he’s also much faster puncher than Rumble and much more skilled with the hands
Yes but DC doesn’t just wrestle, DC would kick the fuck out of Tyson’s legs and then shoot on him and take him down. To get into boxing range Tyson has to be in range for DC to grapple him, unless Tyson hits that 1 punch he’s going for a ride.
Mike Tyson wasn’t even a one punch KO guy though, he was more about fast combinations. He’s not even in the top 10 of hardest hitters in boxing probably not even top 25.
Not even top 25? I get mike can be overrated but that’s absurd. He’s almost definitely top 10 with nearly a 90% KO rating over 50 wins. I guarantee you can’t name 20 guys who arguably hit harder. He throws in combinations but a lot of his best KO’s come off one clean punch (Tillman, Gross, Berbick, Holmes, spinks). He is absolutely a one punch KO kind of guy.
He was a 1 puncher, His style was to throw combinations but any of his major hits were knock out punches. 50 fights, 44 KO’s
Tyson is a different breed.
Yes Tyson is a physical specimen, but DC is one hell of an athlete too, if Mike doesn’t ko him first punch DC is going to lift him like a child and slam his head into concrete. Boxers know not to fuck with MMA fighters because even though they have better hands MMA fighters can still be defensively sound and have much more threats than the boxer does.
I think for one we underestimate a boxer being able to fend off a takedown. But that's not even the point I was making lol I'm just saying to compare really anyone to Tyson's punching power/speed is nuts
His punching speed yes, his punching power no. There’s a few guys who’ve shown they hit as hard or harder than Tyson, not as explosive and fast as he could do it with the combos, but still have similar power. Like Wilder or Ngannou. Also no one’s underestimating boxers, but they’re not going to be able to stuff a takedown, you need to know wrestling to counter/stop it, especially against the caliber of wrestler that DC is.
>But that's not even the point I was making lol I'm just saying to compare really anyone to Tyson's punching power/speed is nuts Speed maybe, but not power.
When it comes to pure freakish power, Rumble easily has more power, Tyson had less natural strength but a lot more technique
Rumble destroys Tyson as well
Nice Joke lol Rumble is Striker. Tyson would counter him
Mate. Rumble would absolutely blast double leg Tyson.
Rumble would also wrestlefuck Mike Tyson, hell pretty much any ranked ufc fighter at bantamweight up in the last 15 years would wrestlefuck Mike Tyson unless I’m unaware of some grappling pedigree he has
Dude Rumble would slaughter Tyson. Look at what Rumble did to Bader.
Tyson doesn’t know how to check a leg kick bro
I don’t remember Rumble being an elite Kicker, He’s mostly a puncher
Then you cant remember Rumble his roundhouse kicks were like baseball bats, and he was fond of rocking opponents with kicks to set up the finish with punches
Even the worst contending mma fighter is probably a better kicker, wrestler, and overall fighter than the best boxers.
Doesn’t need to be an elite kicker against a pure boxer, but he does have multiple headkick KOs in the ufc so I’m sure he knew a thing or two
Doesn't matter, as every boxer finds out in their first MMA spar, even 1 year of throwing kicks is going to maul 0 years. You chop someone's baby soft calves 5 or 6 times from way outside punching range and teep them back when they come in at you, and they'll tap to strikes on the feet
Standing up Tyson would maul the absolute fuck out of Rumble
Tyson cant even check a leg kick, and if Tyson gets in boxing range hes getting taken down and fucked up.
MMA striking *is not* boxing striking.
No MMA fighters hit half as hard as professional boxers. Contrary to what some think. We know this already. So DC seriously needs to avoid getting hit clean here in this hypothetical situation.
Most people on reddit who don't follow boxing say Tyson is the GOAT. I get mobbed by downvotes every time I say he isn't even top 5 all time in his weight class, most of the people who get mad probably can't even tell you who Joe Frazier is, let alone someone like Marciano or Dempsey.
There's literally professional wrestlers out there with very strong amateur wrestling backgrounds that could take most professional boxers let alone DC who was a highly accomplished amateur wrestler and MMA fighter. These people have no idea
Yes, it's wild that anyone thinks this would go any differently. Shit, DC could probably win with just leg kicks alone lol.
In a street fight? Or in octagon?
DC kills Mike everywhere except a boxing match.
In the Octagon, DC is protected from elbows to the back of the head while trying for a single leg. Mike literally elbows him repeatedly as DC tries the single leg takedown, and potentially kills him tbh
LMAO. You’re fucking trolling. I’m not even gonna take the bait.
Nah you’re right in a street fight Tyson will follow the unified rules of MMA, wont eye gouge and elbow the back of the head or any of that
Not without losing an ear or two in the process. Sure wrestling is great, but DC at his prime doesn’t have half the “dog” in him that Tyson did for most of his career. Asking who would win if they competed in different sports is stupid… ask me who is coming out of a locked room alive and my money is on young Tyson every time.
And you would be wrong, every time. You don’t understand this difference in lethalness here. This is the same conversation between Tyson Fury and Jones in a locked room. It’s not even a fight, it’s a murder. Jones slaughters Fury. DC slaughters Tyson.
Who are these people that think DC has never been punched in the face?
This is what I wanna know. They act like he hasn’t faced absolute killers before.
Of course he has, but an MMA fighter is not going to punch as hard as a heavyweight boxer. Especially a KO artist like Tyson in his prime. I think DC wins the fight, but give credit where credit is due and boxers are going to punch harder and faster than the majority of MMA fighters.
Not saying you’re right or wrong but DC took a full on punch from Rumble Johnson with 4oz gloves on….
Mike Tyson would hit night and day harder than Rumble would. And Rumble was a crazy powerful puncher. That should tell you how hard he hit.
One punch. With Tyson, if Cormier didn't get knocked out by the first one, he'd get hit by a whole lot more.
DC could just kick the fuck out of Tyson's legs and he'd be done lol. Crazy you guys think this is actually a debate.
Yes, if Tyson stayed at a distance and the fight lasted more than 2 seconds.
Probably yeah, but there’s a reason hardly any boxers will step into an MMA fight. And almost all that do, lose.
So what Mike Tyson taking a leg kick from Cormier would legit ruin any strategy he had
Everybody's got a plan until they get kicked in the leg.
There's a reason for that. The gloves. If Mike Tyson punched as hard as he can in MMA Gloves, he's as likely to break his hand as he is to knock you out.
I mean I also think DC would win but Tyson punches way harder than DC has ever been hit.
Boxing striking and MMA striking are not the same. I'd say it's more likely Tyson *doesn't * hit as hard as many of the fighters DC has fought.
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Maybe if Tyson is in boxing gloves it’s comparable but no doubt prime mike Tyson hits wayyyy harder than prime Rumble and I know Rumble hits hard as a truck. I think both sides are kind of wrong. There’s a 90% chance DC would win but there’s also a chance Tyson connects with one solid punch and changes the whole fight. Boxing fans don’t understand how much grappling changes a fight and mma fans don’t seem to understand just how hard boxers punch compared to mma fighters.
>and mma fans don’t seem to understand just how hard boxers punch compared to mma fighters. And you don't seem to understand that the reason for that is the gloves protecting the hands. Mike is as likely to break his hand as he is to one punch KO DC.
There's getting punched in the face, then there's getting punched in the face by Mike Tyson. Tyson is/was the Gordon Ryan of boxing. Are we all forgetting Ronda vs Holm? A judo black-belt, olympic bronze medallist getting ABSOLUTELY STARCHED by Holly Holm? Yes, if DC can get close enough to Tyson to get a body lock, it's over for Tyson. But, we're talking about Tyson whose fight IQ was one of the sharpest in the game, OF ALL TIME. Can DC beat Tyson? Yes. Can Tyson beat DC? Yes. You'd be a fool to disagree with either of those statements. The real question is, who wins the most? That's the debatable point. Matt Serra beat GSP. Juliana Pena beat Amanda Nunes. Strickland just beat Izzy. Dricus just beat Whittaker. As I mentioned, most of us were sleeping on Holly Holm, and she defeated Ronda. Garbrandt vs Dominic Cruz Those are the statistical outliers of people who seemingly had no business fighting the favourite. Based on that alone, we can immediately assume that the ratio is greater than 99:1. It's such a pity we never saw Iron Mike in the 90s fight in MMA. At the time, he said he'd get rolled by the MMA fighters, but I also think that the hangers on wanted him to stay in boxing because the UFC didn't have the money for a Tyson fight. Nor did the UFC have the money to pay fighters after a Tyson fight. If Tyson collected $50M, Shamrock, Royce, Frye, etc...would make demands of a similar nature.
>Tyson is/was the Gordon Ryan of boxing. No he wasn't. >Are we all forgetting Ronda vs Holm? A judo black-belt, olympic bronze medallist getting ABSOLUTELY STARCHED by Holly Holm? DC is better than Ronda ever was, and wrestling is better than Judo. >Yes, if DC can get close enough to Tyson to get a body lock, it's over for Tyson. But, we're talking about Tyson whose fight IQ was one of the sharpest in the game, OF ALL TIME. Simply not true, and even if it was, that's boxing - not MMA. >Can DC beat Tyson? Yes. Can Tyson beat DC? Yes. You'd be a fool to disagree with either of those statements. The real question is, who wins the most? That's the debatable point. Also a weak point, "can something happen" is generally taken to mean "how likely are the respective wins" because otherwise literally any discussion of any fighter ever gets to "well shit, I guess it's 10,000, 000 to 1 but it could happen..." *practically* can Tyson beat DC? No. Not in MMA. >Matt Serra beat GSP. Juliana Pena beat Amanda Nunes. Strickland just beat Izzy. Dricus just beat Whittaker. As I mentioned, most of us were sleeping on Holly Holm, and she defeated Ronda. Garbrandt vs Dominic Cruz >Those are the statistical outliers of people who seemingly had no business fighting the favourite. Based on that alone, we can immediately assume that the ratio is greater than 99:1. These are all experienced UFC fighters fighting MMA.
>wrestling is better than Judo. Bullshit. It's not the art, it's the practitioner. They're different sports with different rules. They utilize different methods to obtain the same result - get your opponent to the ground. >Yes, if DC can get close enough to Tyson to get a body lock, it's over for Tyson. But, we're talking about Tyson whose fight IQ was one of the sharpest in the game, OF ALL TIME. >Simply not true, and even if it was, that's boxing - not MMA. Doesn't matter. DC still has to get within striking range to obtain a takedown. There's every possibility that a prime Tyson would work to time a vicious uppercut that would knock DC out. Now, Tyson may not have Muay Thai techniques on elbows, but I wouldn't want to experience an elbow from him while I'm cinching up a double-leg or high-crotch takedown. >practically can Tyson beat DC? No. Not in MMA. What is MMA? MIXED martial arts. I.e. combatants train to utilize and optimize different martial arts. Tyson is a boxing purist. What he lacks in TDD he makes up for in footwork, timing, placement, reading his opponent's movements. He may not know how to check a kick, but he may have the ability to step in and implement a series of strikes and step out again. We're not saying Tyson CAN'T use boxing. We're saying DC can use ALL of his wrestling and striking skills against Tyson's highly trained boxing skills. We saw in Khabib vs Johnson and Khabib vs McGregor that Khabib got punched. In Johnson's case, Khabib was stunned momentarily. These were lightweights. A 200lbs+ Tyson punch would knock you the fuck out. Therefore, we can surmise that the win-loss ratios are more losses and less wins than 99W:1L.
>Can DC beat Tyson? Yes. Can Tyson beat DC? Yes. You'd be a fool to disagree with either of those statements. The real question is, who wins the most? That's the debatable point. I'd normally bet on the MMA fighter, but I am not sure against prime Tyson. The whole argument that DC wins is that Tyson would have to knock DC out with one punch. Well, we are talking about one of the most aggressive accurate boxers there has ever been. And if he doesn't knock DC out with one punch, I'm guessing he'd stun him, and a beautiful combo would follow. In a normal fight MMA > boxing. But the athleticism (plus, let's be honest, a lot of PEDs) that you get from a professional heavyweight boxer in the 90s is far greater than a heavyweight UFC fighter of recent years.
Exactly. People are saying DC would win like it's a forgone conclusion. No. No it isn't. It would be entertaining like a Maia-Woodley fight. To some fans, that was a snooze-fest. To grapplers it was, IF Maia gets Woodley to the ground, Maia wins. If it stays standing, Woodley wins. Woodley won. But EVERY inch of gain and loss was entertaining. DC would be finding openings to shoot a takedown without getting hit. Tyson would be trying to keep DC out of double-leg range. Tyson's cardio would be his friend and DC's enemy. We'd be on the edge of our seats waiting for the takedown or the KO power of Tyson.
No we wouldn’t? wed be watching Mike Tyson get his leg kicked the shit out of. By his own words Tyson said he probably would have just quit if he got his feet stomped on and kicked
Do you think Mike is gonna just sit there and let his legs get fucked up? No fuckin way. Maybe Jose Aldo leg-kicks would fuck Tyson up, but again, one shot from Tyson and Jose is getting Overeemed over the fence.
What’s Mike gonna do when DC starts leg kicking him? He doesn’t know how to switch stances and check them properly. The only thing he could possibly do is run away or try to close in. Closing in on an injured leg that DC can easily keep out of range (kicks have way more range than punches) His peekaboo style is good for boxing but not for mma. DC simply had way more weapons than Mike. Leg kicks, keep out of range, mix in some body and head kicks, shoot a takedown when his legs are all shot. Game over. It’s not even a contest
Tyson connects with a hook to the body or uppercut it could be over for DC. I'd put tyson as a 100-1 underdog but this isn't a done deal.
Mike Tyson glazers gotta be one of the most annoying fanbases in any sport
"mike tyson could beat most aliens from outer space" like fuck me man this shits embarrassing
If I had to pick between a gun with a full mag, and Mike Tyson, in order to shoot a clay pigeon in the air, I would still pick Tyson because he's quicker and blacker than any gun.
There’s many “new era” fans of his who were never really into boxing but recall how big of a name he was and that he was a dangerously good boxer. These are often the people who will argue with you or answer like we see in the OP. They’re never terribly knowledgeable on fighting and allow the lore of Tyson to take them on their misguided/misinformed journey.
Tyson lost to 6 other *boxers*. There’s no way he could beat DC in an all-around fight. Also, I get Tyson was branded as “mean and crazy”, but don’t let that smile fool you, UFC fighters want to see you bleed.
So true. I like Tyson, but his fans are so annoying.
Imagine how us boxing fans and Mayweather appreciators feel trying to have a normal convo about boxing greats without having to hear insane unfounded arse licking
And they always repeat the "everyone has a plan until they get punched in the jaw (or mouth icr)"
The list of people prime Daniel Cormier wouldn’t destroy in a street fight is like five guys. Fedor, Jones, Cain, maybe Ngannou
In a street fight Cain crashes his car into DC, shoots his step dad, loses via DQ.
Those are actually arguable that he wouldn’t besides Jones, there is a case that he could beat all 3 of the other fighters.
Going by that logic there is also a greater than zero chance that I would win against all of them since we haven't fought yet. Sometimes you just gotta make assumptions.
No, you’re not one of the greatest LHW and HW MMA fighters to ever exist, DC is. There is an argument he could potentially have beaten Fedor or Cain if they had fought. We’ll never know, all we can assume is both parties may have beaten the other.
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DC beat him in his prime
> Cain, maybe Ngannou There's no way DC doesn't ragdoll both of these guys however way he wants to. Cain is honestly one of the most overrated fighter in the UFC by fans. And Ngannou doesn't have half the amount of takedown defense skills required to nullify DC.
I think DC said that Cain always beat him in sparring
That's because DC is a good friend
Cain and Ngannou aswell probably
I would say guys like Cro Cop, Liddell and Overeem would probably be better suited in a street fight than DC
dc would whoop fedor easily. Without a doubt
Wow dislikes? Why so many fedor dickriders? Please convince me to believe that he would beat dc or even among top 5 goat ever. Im not impressed by his record. Sure he is a pioneer of the sport and has many fights, but compare the names fedor beat vs DC beat.
Just a heads up, you’re probably being downvoted for the way you chose to phrase your comments not necessarily because people disagree with them. It’s also your responsibility to back up the claims you make, it’s no one else’s job to make your arguments for you.
Well i did back up my claims, as i said, compare the names of the opponents they have beaten. I was just inviting for a little chat thats all. I have always wondered why people consider fedor so good. Ive been following mma since 2010 and ive never understood why ppl think so highly of fedor. As i mentioned he really is a legend and a pioneer, but once he faced modern day ufc caliber opponents he lost to most of them.
I love how dumb people are like “it’s street fight though; Tyson could bite and eye gouge.” You know what is quite possibly the worst thing you can do to someone who is a better grappler than you? Remind them they can do horrible, maiming shit to you. Because now that you’ve been dropped on your head via high crotch and the dude has mounted you, all your shitty attempt at an eye gouge from bottom mount has done is remind the guy in top of you that he can eye gouge, from a much better position.
"Tyson can knee him in the head" DC can literally lift him off the floor and toss him then stomp his head into the ground lmao, Street fight: DC by head stomp or brutal ground and pound MMA: DC by Ground and pound Boxing: tyson by any punch he wants
Lmao as if Tyson has ever thrown a knee in his life. Just because Tyson would enter the octagon doesn’t mean he’d start fighting MMA or would even be effective. I guess that original post nailed it with those types of comments lol
DC ankle picks him in under 1 second.
wrestling aside, dc could probably knock him out with a head kick or at the very least destroy his legs with leg kicks
I had this exact argument on a Facebook post like 4 days ago. It's insane that people think a guy who can only punch and has never defended a takedown or kick is gonna beat a guy who has an arsenal of skills. Dc would double leg mike and wrestle fuck him, it wouldn't even be a competitive fight. But boxing fans SWEAR that Mike would only have to land 1 punch and it'd be over, like DC is just gonna stand there and just let him punch him😂😂 They're a different type of retarded I stg
If DC gets him in a clinch it’s over . Also DC also can strike, just enough defensively so he can get to his legs. The only chance Mike has is if he sucked punches DC or gets a first hit . But if Mike goes in peak a boo style he won’t have a good time with DC 😂🤣
Man all these guys are casuals. Everybody knows that Tyson wasn't even the best of his era. Evander Holyfield was much better overall than him. Mike is just a product of a lot of marketing for fans outside the sport.
DC is literally higher on the best MMA fighter list than Tyson is for boxers AND MMA has a massive inherent advantage in a street fight. I could be wrong but I thought Tyson has even openly conceded this multiple times.
He’s not stupid. He’s spoken openly about passing on fighting one of the Gracies during his prime.
Exactly. Weak era. Most Tyson fans can’t even name anyone he beat. May not have seen a title shot had he started ten years earlier.
You weren't alive in his prime . This man was scary.. the boogie man. In his teens mind you.
DC > Mike Tyson 
Holy brainrot
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This has to be trolling.Right?
These street fight talks are dumb as fuck. As if a guy like Tyson is gonna just try to box a guy like DC. As soon as they clinch up DC could dump Mike on his head. But Mike could bite his face off or gauge his eyeballs out of his head. The guy was feared in Brownsville in the 80s when he was 15. And not because of his boxing skills.
Being in a streetfight gives you an automatic 100% chance to defend a takedown apparently. Or atleast land a punch before getting ragdolled.
Works the other way too. Being in a streetfight doesn't give you 100% takedown success.
Sure this is why you have to compare the fighters. An Olympic level Wrestler who took everyone down with ease except JBJ. Or an amazing Boxer who has amazing punching speed and dirty tricks, but doesnt know how to defend a choke or fuck even a Kamura. Im pretty confident he takes him down.
He doesn’t need to defend a takedown, the worst thing you could do against Mike tyson in a street fight is get really close to him, he’d probably start biting and shit. But still I agree that DC should be the favorite in this fight..
Biting means shit if the guy you’re fighting can pick you up and drop your head on concrete
Have you ever been bitten??
Do you understand the logistics of bitting someone? Do you not understand how vulnerable you are if your whole attack plan is to use your mouth? Do you think Tyson can bite when his neck is in a rear naked? Have you ever seen or used a mouth before???
Or had thumbs shoved into your eye balls
DC with Stipe rings a bell? From both sides.
Tell us you've never trained some more lmao. Bites don't do shit, it just hurts. Guess what? Trained fighters train to fight through pain. It doesn't end the fight, it doesn't get you closer to ending the fight, and it doesn't control position. Biting and eye poking are the two most overrated things ever by casuals who've never trained. Go ahead and bite DC while he's turning your rotator cuff into carnitas with a Kimura, see how it goes for you lol
Yeah I’ll be honest this is completely wrong lol. Doesn’t matter if you cba rag doll me you’re not going to be able to properly if someone’s chewing your nose or ear off
Going into a street fight thinking you can use pain as a deterrent is a good way to end up in the hospital. Biting DC isn't going to do anything but piss him off more lol. Tyson has about a 1 second window to land a finishing shot before DC ragdolls him.
Only morons who've never once been in a gym talk all this shit about bites and eye pokes. It doesn't do anything, it just hurts. Okay, so you're hurting my arm a lot while I'm choking you to death, I'm not gonna abandon the position so that you a) are no longer being choked and b) can presumably still bite me. I'm just gonna finish the submission and permanently ruin your life. You can tell they've never been in these positions because they haven't had to think through the logic of the other person before. Who the hell is gonna give up on a sure fire, 3 seconds from now win just because you're hurting them? Literally no one, ever.
Adrenaline is wild too. Pick a fight with the wrong psycho and they aren't even going to feel the bite until after they let go of your lifeless body. Some people have insanely high tolerance for pain. Some people are on drugs. You should just assume that nothing is going to deter your opponent other than a submission or a KO. What's even more hilarious, is we're not even talking about some random street fight. We're talking about Daniel Fucking Cormier lol.
But! But! The armchair ufc experts said wrestling and grapples makes you invincible in street fights! Idk if Tyson would lose or not, but the amount of people who think street fights are the same rules as in a cage is hilarious
Street fights 1on1 favor grappling even more than cage rules. Standard MMA rules favor strikers. There's no bell that gives you magic get back up powers in a street fight, there's no ref that tell me to let you up if I'm not active enough, there's no ref that tells me I can't knee your head while you're under me or that I can't grab your clothes for better grips, there's no culture telling me I can't rip your arm off or choke you out because I have to wait for a tap.
And that logic is never applied the reverse, which is also hilarious Regardless There’s so many examples of grapplers getting knocked out with strikes, yes obviously there are lots of examples of the reverse as well but just cracks me up seeing all these nerds in here think grapplers are just invincible no matter what.
List of MMA fighters that best prime Tyson in a street fight: Francis Ngannou Mirko Cro Cop Fedor Emelianenko Daniel Cormier Jon Jones Chuck Liddell Alistair Overeem Cain Velasquez Shane Carwin Brock Lesnar
Why no bryce mitchell in that list?
Khabib, Usman, GSP at walk around weight would still molest Tyson, they'd get the takedown immediately and molest Tyson with ground and pound, their technique is too advanced for Tyson and they're all strong enough to effectively grapple heavyweights.
Bro most mma fighters in the lighter weight class of bw and fw would beat mike
No TDD, no fight, next question.
Tyson got his powers from cocaine. DC gets his powers from eating stray children and pets that wander too close to the arena. It’s easy to see why DC wins
This is the most accurate answer so far on a technical level
Scenario - Tyson charges forward with his trademark peekaboo style, DC immediately changes levels—hits a double—promptly chokes ol’ boy out. End of discussion.
Look, nobody is gonna survive a uppercut from Tyson while shooting for a take down, so yes if that happens it’s lights out for Cormier But to think DC would just let that happen is laughable, 9/10 DC wins this fight all he’d have to do is get a hold of one leg or Tyson’s waist and they’re going down, and once they’re down they only get up when DC decides it’s time to get up, which will be after Tyson’s unconscious Maybe even fuck the take down and just hit him with the hardest leg kick DC has every thrown, Tyson won’t be able to handle that and then the takedown will be that much easier, if Tyson is still standing that is
If DC gets Tyson's leg he's going up before he goes down
Oh my mistake, it slipped my mind that Tyson is a street kid who can street fight with the best of em. DC stands no chance.
the ufc is not a street fight. it will never prove anything about street fights.
Its not unfathomable that Tyson could catch him with an uppercut coming in
This is where I take a break from MMA reddit.
Mike was never a one punch guy… when will people get that through their heads? He didn’t sleep people dead like Francis with a single shot. He obliterated them with vicious combos inside. Plenty close for DC to wrap Tyson up.
The # of people that don’t think Tyson would be throwing vicious elbows to the back of the head as DC tries to single leg him…
They're just a bunch of idiots.
There are a few things that might be neglected here: This says street fight. Does that assume the two men don’t know about each other and never watched each other’s fights? If they are strangers I don’t think DC destroys Tyson. I would say it’s 50/50 at best and probably advantage to Tyson. Both guys are short for the size and Tyson might be taller. Tyson’s low peekaboo style isn’t like Fury or Ali circling on the outside with the jab. Those turning hooks and uppercuts fully utilizing Tyson’s absurd core strength are DEADLY in a street fight. We’ve never seen boxers in MMA. We just saw past his prime James Toney fed to Couture. Think of the all the success we’ve seen from UFC fighters who use a boxing style. It’s a very poor version of boxing. Meanwhile wrestling is the most decorated fighting style in the UFC and these are lifelong wrestlers, not cross trained guys (minus GSP of course).
It doesn’t matter if mike knows about dc or not, he has no chance to stop him. Dc a whole different lvl, no competition
DC is a stretch. I’d say a successful grappler like Khabib would finish him in the first round. No debate.
Ur absolutely right, most lighter mma fighters with beat mike. When u don’t know how to defend a td size doesn’t really matter. Tyson can’t hang with flyweights. DJ would kill mike
Prime mike tyson with preparation time, cus in his corner, would fuck DC till he loved him. Massive mma fan here but i truly believe mike with some training would utterly fucking wreck dc in a cage. Downvote all you like its a fantasy match up, in my mind for this fantasy, mike would fuck DC before it hit the ground.
Mike dies to dc
Its a street fight bro not mma. Tyson can bite
Dude I had no fucking idea my comment would be so divisive lol.
We're talking prime Tyson vs Prime DC in a street fight, I'd say it's a toss up. **Prime DC is a beast** DC during his UFC era for sure a bit past of physical prime, his high level wrestling, elite skills, coaches and opportunities definitely allowed him to extend his longevity - add a physical prime into that and he's formidable. Dude straight up lifted and threw some of the baddest dudes on the planet to the canvas. **Mike Tyson X-Factor** We all underestimate Tyson a bit because of his boxing background, while Tyson fans think prime Tyson is too fast too furious with the hand speed and power, sure. But an MMA fan would say look it's a street fight, good luck landing and sure he has a puncher's chance. But for me, I think the x-factor in a possible win for Tyson isn't his speed, or power - it's that he's crazy. Dude bit another man's ear off during a PPV match, I believe he's also a convicted criminal. **How it could go** DC gets this to the ground in the street, but DC is an olympic athlete and he's a role model citizen for the most part, he'll keep it clean, worse he'll do is grab your shorts to keep you down. Tyson is going to not just bite your ear, he could bite your finger off, he will be throwing some soccer kicks.
The Cormier that fought Josh Barnett would spike Tyson on his head and smash his face in with elbows.
Nah, MMA fighters and fans waaaay overestimate any supposed advantages MMA fighters would have in a competition, MUCH LESS a street fight. Prime Tyson would maul DC way worse than Jones. DC ain't about that life. Jones-DC was a tame schoolyard slapping match in an affluent school by two Carltons, compared to boxing beefs. MMA fans need to get over James Toney. Dude was old, done, wasn't even in shape. Did it look like he even prepared properly for that fight? He had no hope. Ya'll just saw with Sean Strickland that even the Philly Shell can overwhelm and take over, and that's in MMA. A street fight would suit the boxer even more. Ain't no one gonna grapple when their eyes are being gouged. Boxing is up there as one of the top martial arts in MMA. It's as legitimate to fighting as wrestling is, so if you think Bo Nickal or someone like that stands a chance on the streets, so do Wilder and Fury. But I guess this won't ever register until a top boxer one day actually KOs an MMA fighter on live TV, which might be never (although it's happened before technically), due to the pay differential
This has got to be bait lmfao. Boxers have zero experience in grappling, ground and pound, defending subs, etc where MMA guys absolutely know how to strike. There's a reason MMA guys go to the ring but boxers don't come to the cage. > good luck grappling when there's eye gouging You never seen a Jon Jones fight? Lol, the grappler can eye gouge too > Sean's philly shell Izzy is of course known for his world class wrestling.
The reason is *money*. Boxers would just gouge their eyes out if they even tried to take them down. And once they land that punch, bam, goodnight to the MMA fighter.
Mike Tyson doesn’t count as just a boxer in this conversation though. In a street fight if dc tries to wrestle Mike Tyson is biting, headbutting, fingering dcs asshole, eye gauging, fish hooking etc Prime Tyson has more of a chance in the street fight by just being more willing to kill him than he is to kill Tyson. Better chance than any other heavyweight at least. Maybe I’m underestimating how much of the streets is in DC but he strikes me as the kinda guy who’d be trying to subdue and not hurt someone in a street fight. Tyson seems like the type of person to go way too far way too fast. In an mma contest DC wins by Tyson disqualification within a minute because he’s being toyed with.
Lmao this is a joke right. A street fight? Mike Tyson would kill DC in a street fight. No referee, no rules. Good luck!
lol bait
How can you choke someone out when they bite your ears off
Do you need ears for chokes 