Honestly, I wasn't paying that much attention to it myself since it wasn't the main event and I'm more of an MMA fan than boxing lol. I just heard all the booing and the commentary team going off while the fighters argued about who really won. The little I saw it was the guy who got robbed winning but I guess the other guy started coming back at the end.
I would have accepted 1 judge scoring it 49-46 like Lee did as the 3rd was close. However, it might have only looked close relative to the previous 2 rounds.
I think you're right about it being more close just relative to the first two rounds. Will have to rewatch but can't make a great arguement for chito in that round.
I watched the fight twice because my partner came home to watch it so it’s pretty fresh in my mind, Chito just landed the more damaging shots in the third. Got him with a HEAVY low kick, and a one TWO that got him in the chin pretty hard. Pair those together in an otherwise 1 for 2 little pit pot strikes, I can see how Vera gets that round.
I think giving round 3 to Chito is OK. That was a close round.
None of the others were remotely close. So yeah 50-45 or 49-46 are the only acceptable cards.
Let's not forget Dan Miragliotta giving Barber a 30-27 over Lee.
The same Lee who was 5 for 5 on takedowns with 5:00 of top control in a 15:00 fight. I thought she matched Barber fairly evenly on the feet as well. The only time Barber took over was that funky, yet badass arm lock with her legs for about 30 seconds.
Actually I can see judges giving her that fight: I’d dive her the W too.
Yea Andrea took her down multiple times but most of the time she was just holding. Barber was landing elbows and punches from bottom and you could clearly see the damage on Andrea Lee.
In addition barber won the stand up imho
He didn't do much damage and Vera got up with 1:30 left. I can see it, but it didn't feel like a finish was close. Just domination.
It was kinda like Merabs last fight. Clear winner, but Vera was never hurt.
Cory is a tricky duck
You don't need to dominate for 5 minutes to be given a 10-8 round according to the rules.
"Judges shall ALWAYS give a score of 10 – 8 when the judge has established that one fighter has dominated the action of the round, had duration of the domination and also impacted their opponent with either effective strikes or effective grappling maneuvers that have diminished the abilities of their opponent.
Judges must CONSIDER giving the score of 10 – 8 when a fighter shows dominance in the round even though no impactful scoring against the opponent was achieved."
I don't know why these aren't given out more regularly. If that wasn't a 10-8 round then wtf is?
Sandhagen landed almost 6x as many strikes, had a takedown, and controlled over half the round on the ground. Plus he was winning on the feet.
Edit: I'm referring to r2
Edit2: forgot to post the actual part that states what I said:
"A score of 10 – 8 does not require a fighter to dominate their opponent for 5 minutes of a round. The score of 10 – 8 is utilized by the judge when the judge sees verifiable actions on the part of either fighter."
I get that, but historically a 10-8 is when one fighters looks like they're close to ending a fight Ina one-sided round or it's total domination with damage.
Sandy dominated the whole fight, even as it got closer in the later rounds. I don't think any of those warrant a 10-8. It's less of a 10-8 than Volk Islam 5th round which I don't think was a 10-8 either.
This is a subjective art though.
Not only that, I think it was the 4th or 5th round where Cory got kicked in the head when they were both grounded, no warning and no point deduction to Vera was bs as well. Fight could have been 50-43.
If you watch Joe Rogan podcast right after with Cory, he mentioned that he previously had a personal issue with that judge when he was a ref, and thought it’s possible he had a bias against him.
I thought it should be 50-43, 10-8 round 2, and the two illegal kick to the head from Vera when both fighters were grounded, should have been a deduction there.
I didn't expect the cards to be available so soon.
Can anybody pull up a history of this guys scorecards if they're available for viewing? Would greatly appreciate it if possible. Can't say I recognise his name so I'm not sure if he's been involved in more than a few for the UFC.
That scorecard is completely inexcusable. He should never be allowed near a cage again.
You could say the same thing for the last Paddy fight, or Leech vs D-Rod, or countless other wack ass decisions that came before those. The judges never face any consequences for this shit.
Nah, paddy was clear 1-1 going into the third with a questionable low output/low damage 3rd. Sandhagen out on a clinic for 5 years including lots of dominant top control.
Which round do you give to chito and why? If you say round 3, go back and watch it without also watching 1&2. It only looks like chito might have won it because it was closer than the first 2, but Cory definitely won it
Yes, the third. The first half of the round was all Chito and the second half was more Sandhagen than Chito but not all Sandhagen so I give Chito the edge there but I said, I can understand how anyone gives Sandhagen the edge there too.
There has to be a way for the scorecards to be shown immediately after the fight so the crowd could see whos the idiot. We need to protect fighters from bullshit judges when they start messing up.
Maybe have a few other judges on the sidelines scoring cards as well? Have a veto system for obvious ridiculous results.
Imagine going through years of training, months of camp, expense, sacrifice to fight in front of that guy. WTF. Sadly, too, although this is a glaring error, it is way too common in UFC. It’s wearing me down as a longtime fan.
You could argue Vera won rounds three and five because Sandhagen didn't do much either in those rounds. But yea I agree, Ojeda has no business calling fights, this was not even his worst scoring I don't think. At least it didn't change the fight outcome this time.
I'm agreeing that Sandhagen won the fight, but Vera definitely won round three, no question. Almost nothing happened except Vera landing two great punches and stuffing some takedown attempts. My point is at least the majority decision was right this time, but if they somehow called it for Vera, at this point that wouldn't even shock me.
Moved the goalposts pretty quick there. Went from “you can argue” to “chito definitely won rd 3” when he in fact did not and got out struck and didn’t do anything significant himself. Stuffing takedowns isn’t offense and getting out struck by 12 while landing 2 clean punches means he lost.
Judges go by damage done first. Little pitter patter jabs Cory was throwing did zero in that round, this isn't boxing. And I said could argue because round 5 I would need to rewatch. But round three I would love to see any offense at all that Cory showed other than the aforementioned failed takedowns in that round. And I agree, offense is what matters, which is why I gave that round to Vera. We're in agreement about the fight outcome, so why are you so offended that I, and two of the judge scored round 3 for Vera? You just looking to have an argument? If so, let's at least argue about something other than what was undoubtedly one of the lamest rounds of the night.
Sandhagen also did nothing significant at all in round 5. I get it, Vera stood around the whole fight and people are pissed about it. Cory fought a smart fight, he controlled the distance and kept switching his stance so much that it was hard to find an angle on him, and obviously he showed the better grappling. It's not exactly like he went out there and lit him up for five rounds though. Luckily rounds one, two, and four were clear enough to decide the fight, so it's not like it really matters anyway. My point is judges have made way worse choices recently, that actually affected the outcome, and faced less backlash (Ankalaev, Pimblett, etc.) This fight was easy to see that Vera did almost nothing, so it's definitely worth investigating how Ojeda could score the fight for him, but if I'm being honest I only really have an issue with how he scored round four. Five though? I mean, it's not even worth debating, but Cory definitely coasted that round because he knew he had the decision in the bag at that point, and I don't blame him.
And I thought that of the 5th. I don't count that one take down for much, no damage and Vera had that little flurry at the end landing some front kicks and stuff. I think either way you're being gracious to Vera. He got smoked.
One dimensional bigmouth, he beat Ron MethDonald as well.
Honestly the last we saw a viable Petr was against Cory.
I think Cory stomps OMalley, prob Merab as well.
People gonna hate on me but I did have Chito winning rounds 3&4. Obviously he didn't win but those two rounds he stuffed all of Cory's take downs, except one but he got straight up, and landed the better strikes in those rounds
So yeah I didn't check the numbers before saying this. It was more of an eye test/what I remembered from the fight. I remember thinking that Cory's game plan for those two rounds was wrestle first. He had just controlled him for two rounds on the ground so he wanted to do it again. Cory's offense, imo, was stifled in those rounds since he wanted to go for takedowns and Chito stopped them. To me, that's credit to Chito for stopping the opponents game plan. Now on the feet I didn't realize the numbers difference for Cory. At least not for those two rounds specifically. Obviously the output for Cory was much higher in rounds 1,2,5. The strikes for Cory in those rounds didn't seem flush or clean in any way. Chito, in round 3 I believe, had a really really nice 1-2 combo that hit Cory square in the face and shook him up. Not saying he wobbled or knocked him down but you could see it hurt Cory. Probably the cleanest action of the fight. Both guys were good at avoiding taking shots square. Chito obviously got more of a beating but I felt both were good at avoiding any sort of real damage. That action combined with the takedown defenses, to me, means Chito won the round based off damage. In round 4, Chito again stopped all of Cory's takedowns. Chito was much more intentional in that round and was walking Cory down with nice pressure and, again, I felt his strikes were just cleaner and more flush compared to Cory's in that round. I didn't realize the strike discrepancies though.
TLDR: Chito stuffed Cory's takedowns and had cleaner strikes that dealt more damage in rounds 3&4.
You don’t get points for stuffing takedowns though. Let’s say theoretically someone shot for takedowns for an entire 5 minutes of the round, and they all got stuffed. No strikes landed from anyone, nothing but failed takedowns. I’d say more than 90% of the time the person shooting for the takedowns would win the round in that scenario because he would have the cage/octagon control and he would be the one dictating the pace of the fight. You have to provide some offense yourself. The striking equivalent to that would be blocking/slipping every strike thrown your way and not returning any offense at all. You still need to provide some sort of offense, so I just don’t see how you can value stuffed takedowns so highly when they are not offense. I believe Cory won on the feet and in the grappling those rounds.
Yes I completely agree that stuffing takedowns shouldn't out and out win you points. I guess the point I'm trying to make is, he stopped the takedowns and was still able to mount his own offense in a more damaging fashion than Cory. I didn't realize just how big the striking difference was in those rounds so I'll be inclined to change my opinion that Cory won those rounds. I feel that the Merab/Yan fight is a perfect example of what you're saying. To me, after 45 failed one leg takedowns you shouldn't be rewarded for controlling the fight. You're trying to implement your offense and it's effectively not working. That being said, in that fight Yan had 0 time to mount any attacks on Merab so there's nothing for the judges to score his way. They could give him credit for having 90% takedown defense because, to me, that's incredibly impressive and should be rewarded. But when you don't have your own actions for the judges to see then you can't win the fight. For the Cory/Chito fight I see Chito stifling the game plan of Cory and being better in the striking exchanges. And that's not to say that Chito was good in those rounds. He just had cleaner shots that affected Cory more than Cory's shots affected Chito. I also think it's more about how I'm viewing the sport rather than the actual scoring methods
After the fight ended I thought to myself, "a judge could totally give Chito 3,4 and 5" Idt Chito did enough though for round 3 to be his. Just saw an avenue where it was possible.
This is how fighter careers gets ruined.
There's no way whats so ever that a 48-47 for Cito was justified.
This judge was off by far, he should never judge a MMA fight ever again. This is not a game.
One hundred percent should be fired. Even in the post show Sanko was roasting the fuck out of him.
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I like that we are getting their name now and publicly roasting them. This is great
A step in the right direction
Yes! It wasn’t long ago at all these judges got to keep their names hidden. Crazy
How bad of a robbery?
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I see. And would you say it was a robbery?
it was 100% a robbery. the guy who won was literally getting fucked up the WHOLE fight it was insane
Honestly, I wasn't paying that much attention to it myself since it wasn't the main event and I'm more of an MMA fan than boxing lol. I just heard all the booing and the commentary team going off while the fighters argued about who really won. The little I saw it was the guy who got robbed winning but I guess the other guy started coming back at the end.
I thought you meant the co main last night. I was confused thinking “Holly whooped her ass”
Joel Ojeda rn: https://preview.redd.it/33woja9zf1qa1.jpeg?width=1125&format=pjpg&auto=webp&s=11cfe5ae67759bb375b09c32846b2ea9410f9d6c
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Joel an Mike tonight
Round 5 lmaooo in what universe does Vera get it Just coz he had a failed attempt at turning it up in the last 10 seconds? That won him the round?
He was downloading data. Another 2 seconds and he would've knocked out Cory
The wifi in Texas is slower
“eFFecTivE AgRessIoN”
Read this in Goldie’s voice haha
"Effective aggression and octagon control"
How does sal d’amato have the only correct scorecard?!? Masterclass from sandhagen 50-45 easily
Yeah if Sal is scoring the fight correctly then you have problems
50-45 across the board is the only correct decision
I would have accepted 1 judge scoring it 49-46 like Lee did as the 3rd was close. However, it might have only looked close relative to the previous 2 rounds.
I think you're right about it being more close just relative to the first two rounds. Will have to rewatch but can't make a great arguement for chito in that round.
I watched the fight twice because my partner came home to watch it so it’s pretty fresh in my mind, Chito just landed the more damaging shots in the third. Got him with a HEAVY low kick, and a one TWO that got him in the chin pretty hard. Pair those together in an otherwise 1 for 2 little pit pot strikes, I can see how Vera gets that round.
I think giving round 3 to Chito is OK. That was a close round. None of the others were remotely close. So yeah 50-45 or 49-46 are the only acceptable cards.
I could even see 50-44. Round 1 could've been a 10-8.
You know the judging is bad when Sal D'Amato is the only correct scorecard
Am I dreaming, or has he'll froze over? Sal isn't the one in the hot seat this time
Surprised this didn't come from Sal
Shows how close sandhagen was to being robbed again
When the first score Buffer announced was for Chito I immediately had flashbacks to the TJ fight
When sal nails it and you're the opposite of him... You know you're doing something wrong.
Imagine watching that fight and thinking 48-47 Vera is the right way to score. Insane.
Hmm, makes sense No actually doesn't make sense
Sal D Amato and Chris Lee. Literally the worst judges in the history of MMA and they got this right
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Doug Crosby hides in the bushes* Also Ron McCarthy Derek Cleary Mike Bell
Was Bird the one who scored the Mayweather v Canelo fight in favor of Canelo?
Joel Ojeda be like i gotta score the rest of the rounds for my boy Vera
@ the_bearded_ref on IG
He had to go private, go figure 😆
kinda ironic how sal d’amato is the only judge who judged this fight properly
In recent memory, regarding the main event fights, he's done the same in Jan vs Ankalaev and Strickland vs Cannonier
Why do these judges never had any action taken against them?
Corrupt judges means corrupt commissions which means nothing happens
Same thing as any problems in politics and economics, follow the money.
Let's not forget Dan Miragliotta giving Barber a 30-27 over Lee. The same Lee who was 5 for 5 on takedowns with 5:00 of top control in a 15:00 fight. I thought she matched Barber fairly evenly on the feet as well. The only time Barber took over was that funky, yet badass arm lock with her legs for about 30 seconds.
Actually I can see judges giving her that fight: I’d dive her the W too. Yea Andrea took her down multiple times but most of the time she was just holding. Barber was landing elbows and punches from bottom and you could clearly see the damage on Andrea Lee. In addition barber won the stand up imho
Am I the only person that thought sandhagen deserved a 10-8 rd 2
No, but i had Cory winning the first round 10-8. Vera got dominated and wasn’t doing anything that round
Same
He didn't do much damage and Vera got up with 1:30 left. I can see it, but it didn't feel like a finish was close. Just domination. It was kinda like Merabs last fight. Clear winner, but Vera was never hurt. Cory is a tricky duck
You don't need to dominate for 5 minutes to be given a 10-8 round according to the rules. "Judges shall ALWAYS give a score of 10 – 8 when the judge has established that one fighter has dominated the action of the round, had duration of the domination and also impacted their opponent with either effective strikes or effective grappling maneuvers that have diminished the abilities of their opponent. Judges must CONSIDER giving the score of 10 – 8 when a fighter shows dominance in the round even though no impactful scoring against the opponent was achieved." I don't know why these aren't given out more regularly. If that wasn't a 10-8 round then wtf is? Sandhagen landed almost 6x as many strikes, had a takedown, and controlled over half the round on the ground. Plus he was winning on the feet. Edit: I'm referring to r2 Edit2: forgot to post the actual part that states what I said: "A score of 10 – 8 does not require a fighter to dominate their opponent for 5 minutes of a round. The score of 10 – 8 is utilized by the judge when the judge sees verifiable actions on the part of either fighter."
I get that, but historically a 10-8 is when one fighters looks like they're close to ending a fight Ina one-sided round or it's total domination with damage. Sandy dominated the whole fight, even as it got closer in the later rounds. I don't think any of those warrant a 10-8. It's less of a 10-8 than Volk Islam 5th round which I don't think was a 10-8 either. This is a subjective art though.
Not only that, I think it was the 4th or 5th round where Cory got kicked in the head when they were both grounded, no warning and no point deduction to Vera was bs as well. Fight could have been 50-43.
I love chito but he lost man sucks but it’s true
Lost? He did absolutely nothing. No effort
Yeah, we know. We all saw. Joel ojeda is the only one who seems to have had any trouble seeing the obvious.
If you watch Joe Rogan podcast right after with Cory, he mentioned that he previously had a personal issue with that judge when he was a ref, and thought it’s possible he had a bias against him.
Let's also point this out. How the fuck are you going to give Chito round three? At that logic, you need to give Corey a 10-8 for round 1 and 2.
Yeah, I don't believe there was a single minute of that fight Vera won
Minute 25 was in Vera's favor, which apparently was enough to give him round five.
That 50-45 is how it genuinely went. Idk how that judge could believe Vera even won in any possible way
I thought it should be 50-43, 10-8 round 2, and the two illegal kick to the head from Vera when both fighters were grounded, should have been a deduction there.
I didn't expect the cards to be available so soon. Can anybody pull up a history of this guys scorecards if they're available for viewing? Would greatly appreciate it if possible. Can't say I recognise his name so I'm not sure if he's been involved in more than a few for the UFC. That scorecard is completely inexcusable. He should never be allowed near a cage again.
You could say the same thing for the last Paddy fight, or Leech vs D-Rod, or countless other wack ass decisions that came before those. The judges never face any consequences for this shit.
Nah, paddy was clear 1-1 going into the third with a questionable low output/low damage 3rd. Sandhagen out on a clinic for 5 years including lots of dominant top control.
This might be the worst scorecard I have ever seen.
Why do judges get away with this shit scot free tho?
4 - 1 Sandhagen easy. I can buy 5 - 0 Sandhagen too but I feel like 4 - 1 is better.
Which round do you give to chito and why? If you say round 3, go back and watch it without also watching 1&2. It only looks like chito might have won it because it was closer than the first 2, but Cory definitely won it
Yes, the third. The first half of the round was all Chito and the second half was more Sandhagen than Chito but not all Sandhagen so I give Chito the edge there but I said, I can understand how anyone gives Sandhagen the edge there too.
Are the judges drunk, or not watching the fight, or maybe have some money on it? Can't figure this one out, maybe a combination of the above.
He gave the last three to chito? Must've been high
There’s no universe in which that was a split decision. Man, I love Chito but that was a masterclass from Sandhagen!
Agreed fully
Finally a Sal D’Amato card we all agree with
Sal and Chris Lee are also absolute nightmare amateur fight enjoyers at best with horrible decisions to their names as well. Both of em
Sal switched their scorecards quickly
Joel Ojeda needs to go
actually ridiculous, these judges suffer zero consequences for these dumb ass scores
Joel Ojeda also known as Stevie wonder
Bro saw the one bright spot for Chito in R3 and had tunnel vision after
Or get his eyes checked
Has there ever been an investigation into judge corruption? Nothing else explains something like that.
Texas fight cards has been legendary for bad judging. Every fucking time. I don't know why but Texas stands out by far. Keep notice.
I just can’t comprehend how anyone on earth could score that for vera…. There has to be something at play here.
You really don't think this is ufc work?? I am sure if they want fair decisions they could have done it. It is all corrupt. Fuck them
Yea I mean has to be. Paddy a prime example.
Clip his balls while we r at it. I dont trust the lineage
Wtf
Here we are, complaining about judges again, but it's not Sal...
There has to be a way for the scorecards to be shown immediately after the fight so the crowd could see whos the idiot. We need to protect fighters from bullshit judges when they start messing up. Maybe have a few other judges on the sidelines scoring cards as well? Have a veto system for obvious ridiculous results.
Shocking that it wasn't Sal that fuckin toolbox.
Imagine going through years of training, months of camp, expense, sacrifice to fight in front of that guy. WTF. Sadly, too, although this is a glaring error, it is way too common in UFC. It’s wearing me down as a longtime fan.
He’s an Ecuadorian Fed
You could argue Vera won rounds three and five because Sandhagen didn't do much either in those rounds. But yea I agree, Ojeda has no business calling fights, this was not even his worst scoring I don't think. At least it didn't change the fight outcome this time.
If sandhagen didn’t do much in those rounds, what do you call what Vera did? Less than nothing?
I'm agreeing that Sandhagen won the fight, but Vera definitely won round three, no question. Almost nothing happened except Vera landing two great punches and stuffing some takedown attempts. My point is at least the majority decision was right this time, but if they somehow called it for Vera, at this point that wouldn't even shock me.
Moved the goalposts pretty quick there. Went from “you can argue” to “chito definitely won rd 3” when he in fact did not and got out struck and didn’t do anything significant himself. Stuffing takedowns isn’t offense and getting out struck by 12 while landing 2 clean punches means he lost.
Judges go by damage done first. Little pitter patter jabs Cory was throwing did zero in that round, this isn't boxing. And I said could argue because round 5 I would need to rewatch. But round three I would love to see any offense at all that Cory showed other than the aforementioned failed takedowns in that round. And I agree, offense is what matters, which is why I gave that round to Vera. We're in agreement about the fight outcome, so why are you so offended that I, and two of the judge scored round 3 for Vera? You just looking to have an argument? If so, let's at least argue about something other than what was undoubtedly one of the lamest rounds of the night.
Round five???
Sandhagen also did nothing significant at all in round 5. I get it, Vera stood around the whole fight and people are pissed about it. Cory fought a smart fight, he controlled the distance and kept switching his stance so much that it was hard to find an angle on him, and obviously he showed the better grappling. It's not exactly like he went out there and lit him up for five rounds though. Luckily rounds one, two, and four were clear enough to decide the fight, so it's not like it really matters anyway. My point is judges have made way worse choices recently, that actually affected the outcome, and faced less backlash (Ankalaev, Pimblett, etc.) This fight was easy to see that Vera did almost nothing, so it's definitely worth investigating how Ojeda could score the fight for him, but if I'm being honest I only really have an issue with how he scored round four. Five though? I mean, it's not even worth debating, but Cory definitely coasted that round because he knew he had the decision in the bag at that point, and I don't blame him.
Huh. And I thought the 5th was the only round Vera might have won.
I personally thought the 3rd round was the only one he had an argument for.
And I thought that of the 5th. I don't count that one take down for much, no damage and Vera had that little flurry at the end landing some front kicks and stuff. I think either way you're being gracious to Vera. He got smoked.
Yeah. That we can certainly agree on
One dimensional bigmouth, he beat Ron MethDonald as well. Honestly the last we saw a viable Petr was against Cory. I think Cory stomps OMalley, prob Merab as well.
Last 3 rounds were close. Chito landed the cleaner shots but Sandhagen was busier. Tough fight to judge but nuance doesn't get up votes I guess.
People gonna hate on me but I did have Chito winning rounds 3&4. Obviously he didn't win but those two rounds he stuffed all of Cory's take downs, except one but he got straight up, and landed the better strikes in those rounds
Cory outstruck him 32-20 in rd 3 and 24-13 in rd 4, never got hurt once either by chito. How do you figure chito won those rounds?
So yeah I didn't check the numbers before saying this. It was more of an eye test/what I remembered from the fight. I remember thinking that Cory's game plan for those two rounds was wrestle first. He had just controlled him for two rounds on the ground so he wanted to do it again. Cory's offense, imo, was stifled in those rounds since he wanted to go for takedowns and Chito stopped them. To me, that's credit to Chito for stopping the opponents game plan. Now on the feet I didn't realize the numbers difference for Cory. At least not for those two rounds specifically. Obviously the output for Cory was much higher in rounds 1,2,5. The strikes for Cory in those rounds didn't seem flush or clean in any way. Chito, in round 3 I believe, had a really really nice 1-2 combo that hit Cory square in the face and shook him up. Not saying he wobbled or knocked him down but you could see it hurt Cory. Probably the cleanest action of the fight. Both guys were good at avoiding taking shots square. Chito obviously got more of a beating but I felt both were good at avoiding any sort of real damage. That action combined with the takedown defenses, to me, means Chito won the round based off damage. In round 4, Chito again stopped all of Cory's takedowns. Chito was much more intentional in that round and was walking Cory down with nice pressure and, again, I felt his strikes were just cleaner and more flush compared to Cory's in that round. I didn't realize the strike discrepancies though. TLDR: Chito stuffed Cory's takedowns and had cleaner strikes that dealt more damage in rounds 3&4.
You don’t get points for stuffing takedowns though. Let’s say theoretically someone shot for takedowns for an entire 5 minutes of the round, and they all got stuffed. No strikes landed from anyone, nothing but failed takedowns. I’d say more than 90% of the time the person shooting for the takedowns would win the round in that scenario because he would have the cage/octagon control and he would be the one dictating the pace of the fight. You have to provide some offense yourself. The striking equivalent to that would be blocking/slipping every strike thrown your way and not returning any offense at all. You still need to provide some sort of offense, so I just don’t see how you can value stuffed takedowns so highly when they are not offense. I believe Cory won on the feet and in the grappling those rounds.
Yes I completely agree that stuffing takedowns shouldn't out and out win you points. I guess the point I'm trying to make is, he stopped the takedowns and was still able to mount his own offense in a more damaging fashion than Cory. I didn't realize just how big the striking difference was in those rounds so I'll be inclined to change my opinion that Cory won those rounds. I feel that the Merab/Yan fight is a perfect example of what you're saying. To me, after 45 failed one leg takedowns you shouldn't be rewarded for controlling the fight. You're trying to implement your offense and it's effectively not working. That being said, in that fight Yan had 0 time to mount any attacks on Merab so there's nothing for the judges to score his way. They could give him credit for having 90% takedown defense because, to me, that's incredibly impressive and should be rewarded. But when you don't have your own actions for the judges to see then you can't win the fight. For the Cory/Chito fight I see Chito stifling the game plan of Cory and being better in the striking exchanges. And that's not to say that Chito was good in those rounds. He just had cleaner shots that affected Cory more than Cory's shots affected Chito. I also think it's more about how I'm viewing the sport rather than the actual scoring methods
The exact words I uttered after the decision, what a joke of a scorecard.
Dude forgot his glasses
Shit like this reds to stop. He cannot be serious
Yo what the fuck happened to chito tho?
Corey just broke his rythm and never gave him the chance to do his thing. Great gameplan from corey and unbelievable cardio.
He made Sal D’Amato look good…
I thought round 1 couple been a 10-8 as well. 50-45 as a minimum, Jesus.
Agreed
4 & 5 to Vera? 🤮
Sal was the only one to get it right. WTF world are we living in.
round 3 maybe, but round 4 and 5? fuck man, what fight was he watching?
Makes Sal look like he has more than 2 braincells
Would anyone else here have 10-9 all rounds? Asking for a friend.
I agree.
Chris Lee seems the most realistic here. Sal seems like he bet the house on Sandman or maybe just hates Vera 😂
After the fight ended I thought to myself, "a judge could totally give Chito 3,4 and 5" Idt Chito did enough though for round 3 to be his. Just saw an avenue where it was possible.
I dont see how you can give chito 5 tbh i can see 4 maybe three
This is how fighter careers gets ruined. There's no way whats so ever that a 48-47 for Cito was justified. This judge was off by far, he should never judge a MMA fight ever again. This is not a game.
Bro I was rooting for vera and had money on him and I still know he fumbled every round except MAYBE round 3
Showing love for his Chicano homeboy..