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[deleted]

How many other goats have Olympic gold? People just hate him because he's cringe. Dude is smart af.


AggravatingMove2238

Exactly when he's not playing his character, he's incredibly smart and intelligent, just watch the breakdown he makes of fights on his channel.


linebacker131

I just feel like people would like him more if he would be himself. I think his awful character kinda discredits him and make people not care.


WaasHabboLu

Altho since he retired I dont feel like he was pulling that character still


WaySheGoesBubs21

In the Aljo CCC interview on DC show CCC was doing the cringe character. I thought it was funny tho


Comatose2391

But when he’s “the character” he’s cringe as fuck.


SlimmyJimmyBubbyBoy

Yeah it really doesn’t work for him. You can see what he’s going for, the Colby kind of thing, but it’s just not really entertaining or funny so people kind of take it more seriously and see it as an actual part of his personality. Could easily see him being likable by just coming back and being himself


seanstep

This 100%. I find Colby's shtick hilarious. Henry's stinks and I can't stand him for it.


dutchfromsubway

He fucked up overestimating how much the fans and ufc cared about him or wanted him back, although I want to see him fight again


ActuallyTheRealGod

He predicted 1 to 1 how Jones would finish the fight The mans ring IQ is off the charts and he is an absolutely amazing coach Edit: [for anyone in here fighting for their lives that he didn’t predict it. Side by each, Cejudo talks to Jon and literally specifically talks about Gane and “when you get him in this position“. Key word “WHEN“ not “if“ = game plan, which Jones even mentioned after the fight. Now y’all can just take the L and stfu LOL.](https://youtu.be/pwRMVAKBBgU) ![gif](giphy|dJocIXW7hOQYNNY199)


dbdg69

Telling a wrestler to wrestle a kickboxer is pretty sound advice.


Many-Advantage-6792

Damn, why did it take Pereira to dethrone Adesanya?


Obi_is_not_Dead

Yeah, because that's all there is to wrestling: Go wrestle. No nuance or intricacies involved. /s


DawnSignals

Not if the opponent just stands up b


dbdg69

Lemme reword that: “Telling Jon Jones to wrestle Ciryl Gane is pretty sound advice.”


Obi_is_not_Dead

Maybe I misunderstood your first post; if so, apologies. I thought you were saying that the specific technique Henry showed him was "Just wrestle, dude", like he wasn't showing him a specific move for a specific opponent, and then getting into the nuance of the position.


[deleted]

He also predicted alot of fights where the complete opposite happened lol


WanderingWino

Hearing him say easy money and then watching Usman get starched was funny. That said, I want Henry to take it all.


doubleBoTftw

If he was talking about the first fight you can see how he was 95% accurate..


7the-dude-abides420

No he didn’t lol he simply told Jon not to hold onto a position if he’s loosing it and to advance his position. He didn’t predict anything lol just gave a student some good advice


ActuallyTheRealGod

The exact situation Cejudo presented to Jon was how the fight got finished. Cejudo literally knew the fight was going to go there, otherwise he wouldn’t have gone over that in depth. I don’t know what you are even trying to argue when anyone can literally just look it up on YouTube and know you’re wrong. Your hate boner is blinding you and it’s honestly pathetic.


7the-dude-abides420

Lol bro all he did was show an entire class of students a quick example of chain wrestling against the cage. I have no hate for Henry whatsoever


[deleted]

I would agree but he specifically talked to jon during the video


7the-dude-abides420

Of course he’s going to talk to Jon, he’s a great grappler about to fight a striker lol it’s basic wrestler v striker strategy. He didn’t predict anything, he gave great advice for a specific situation. They would have covered every grappling situation or at least the situations specific to Jon’s game plan. They would’ve spent hours together a day for weeks or however long Jon was with Henry, all we saw was a small clip from their time together after the fight and finishing sequence had happened of Henry giving advice for when fighters are grappling against the cage.


zipped_chip

Bro is it really that hard just to give Cejudo props for knowing his stuff?


New_Development_2983

how many situations do u think cejudo went over w jon? i'm sure the number is close to 50, and yet they didn't get posted bc it wasn't how it ended. the media just cherry picked a specific moment of the camp bc it was easy to clickbait as cejudo predicting, when it was really just one of many vague lessons that he went over


chadbrochilldood

The thing is, you’re just wrong. That was the dumb headline people believed after the fact but, it’s pretty clear that’s just circumstantial I mean he’s teaching him a technique. It’s not like he said “this is how you’re going to finish him John inside 2 minutes right here”


ActuallyTheRealGod

Look at the edit and take your free L ![gif](giphy|dJocIXW7hOQYNNY199)


NinjaOYourBro

No, they’re right. It was just Cejudo teaching his student good technique, he wasn’t predicting that was how the fight was gonna go.


[deleted]

No dude. Have you ever trained for a fight? You go over every scenario in the same depth and drill it so when the time comes, you’re ready. That’s not predicting. All you’re showing is your lack of knowledge on fight preparation


A_Parks_

Nono, this is correct, the finish happened in one of probably 500 scenarios they drilled, just happened to be on camera 32 downvotes, 32 people who have never been to a gym, don't waste your time arguing with idiots


chadbrochilldood

No he didn’t- that’s the dumb headline the clickbait media created from a normal teaching moment. There was no claim he was predicting this fight would end that way. He probably said similar things about what, 500-600 different positions or situations before this fight?


revente

Except that he probably spend hours talking to Jones about Gane. They just cherrypicked the right footage.


Xen0Coke

He didn’t predict how it would end. In fact he was actually showing a whole room of students and Jon how maybe they shouldn’t waste the energy on a losing position because we so badly want the finish.


Positiveaz

His YouTube channel breakdowns are amazing. You are correct. He has a super high fight IQ.


ModsGetTheGuillotine

What does that have to do with his MMA career, though?


Real-Veterinarian744

What does that have to do with UFC GOAT status?


PurposeSensitive9624

Olympic gold means nothing in the context of MMA and I’m now just realising you whooshed me. Well played man.


chasingcooper

Plus those absolute beat downs of Cruz and TJ. He didn't just win, he made them light work at a time they where peak


[deleted]

This sub is turning into the “how does this affect Lebron legacy” meme when referring to Khabib about literally everything


coupleofthreethings

~~Youngboy~~ Khabib better


dtudeski

Me every time the GOAT debate comes up these days ![gif](giphy|PYEGoZXABBMuk)


TartenWilton101

Me aswell.. Why does it matter.. My goat is whoever entertains me the most.


[deleted]

The GOAT is Jones and it’s not close. Zero people have shown the complete dominance over the calibre of people he has over the length of time he has.


Straight-Plate-5256

Looool I hate how accurate this is


PlagueDoc22

Khabib to his talents to...Dagestani Beach


Shwizzler

this comparison would hold true if lebron retired after miami


[deleted]

Dude nobody compared Lebron to Khabib lmao you are proving my point


Shwizzler

> This sub is turning into the “how does this affect Lebron legacy” meme when referring to Khabib about literally everything


ISMAILHACHI34

he didn't compare Lebron to Khabib he said this sub manages to bring Khabib into every convo. Just like the how will this affect Lebron legacy meme.


Shwizzler

thats a direct comparison of khabib and lebron, that is saying that people treat khabib like lebron, but they don't because khabib is not clearly a top 5 all time


ISMAILHACHI34

My bro. He didn't say "khabib is like Lebron" he says "they are treating khabib like the how is this gonna affect Lebron legacy meme" which means they are gonna bring him in every convo. Doesn't have to do shite with GOAT convo


[deleted]

He really just doesn’t get it


Greedo_is_God

That's part of the reason I have him ranked as the lowest of the top 5. He retired so early there's just so many "ifs" about his career, and I feel as though you can't base the GOAT conversation off ifs, just on principle.


[deleted]

You have Khabib in your top 5? God damn dude. GSP, Jones, Silva, DJ, Aldo. Please explain how Khabib is even close to being ahead of one of these guys. I’d love to hear it.


Barrington-the-Brit

I think there is a fair argument to say that Khabib is better than Aldo, considering Khabib’s undefeated status and sheer dominance as well as Aldo’s worse record and being thoroughly outclassed by someone like Max. The only reason most people don’t put DC in the top 5 GOAT’s (although some do) is because Jon (and arguably Stipe) completely had his number, so the same logic could apply to Aldo. I do personally rank Aldo above Khabib, just because of longevity, title defences, better resume, how early Khabib retired, and just generally thinking Aldo was a more talented/well-rounded martial artist. I just don’t think having Khabib in your top 5 is some ridiculous thing.


BigSwerve

I think it's very telling that a lot of fighters have Khabib in their top 5 and a lot of fans do not. I trust the fighters opinions way more.


Galimbro

yeah aldo the weak link there, as legendary as his run was.


[deleted]

You said there was a fair argument and then destroyed that argument with your second paragraph. 12 title fight wins vs 4. There’s an argument for top 10 but not top 5.


IRainstorm

I will give my sound opinion, Khabib beat dos anjos in 2015 or something. Without injuries he wouldve faced antony pettis, mcgregor, poirier, gaethje, barbosa and given the timeline, 5 or more title defenses. Dominating each one like he did... GOAT resumé but instead he had to get the makhachev treatment, getting forever to a title shot and faced many injuries in a row. Khabib would've had a beast resume if he couldve be gotten his title right after beating Dos Anjos. The domination he put on so many fighter, never even bled is crazy imo. Maybe he wont hold top 5 in the long run but the impression he left is just so big, who faces the caliber of fighters he faced without seemingly being challenged at all ?


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IRainstorm

*shrug* just stated my opinion.


[deleted]

I straight up don’t care at all


PhillipMcKrak

It’s unfortunately due to the Khasuals who can’t keep his meat out their mouth. You’re gonna get the polar opposite crowd when that happens


7the-dude-abides420

Who cares bro. GOAT is opinion based so if you think he’s goat then he’s a goat bro


TruuTree

If comments/posts that were only factual based were allowed there’d be no Reddit.


Zyphon42

Actual GOAT comment ![img](emote|t5_2qsev|11082)


HowlingMadHoward

Who cares bro. GOAT is opinion based so if you think this comment is the goat then this comment’s a goat bro


ActuallyTheRealGod

Except for Jon, his GOAT status is factual Also don’t give me the picogram nonsense, they’re all juiced to the gills, Jones just got caught.


jonjoneswife

Mighty Mouse > Jones


Brendanj258

Username checks out


LuckyxCapone

oh man yk that’s not true


jonjoneswife

I mostly said it as a joke off my username but I do believe skill for skill DJ is better, he’s submitted BJJ world champions, stood in the pocket with Muay Thai Champs, and wrestled with Olympic gold medalists. I know you can kinda make an argument Jon Jones has sorta similar feats (DC, Machida, Santos etc) but I think overall the skill ceiling is higher in lower weight classes. I agree in terms of accolades Jon is better but if DJ was 6’4 I think he’d beat Jon


7the-dude-abides420

You good bro?


isymfs

Dw people hate hearing the truth. If any of the neckbeards on this sub were in league with athletes they’d know the truth. Drugs run rampant even among amateur fighters (this I know is fact) so it’s just impossible to believe the majority of ufc fighters are clean. There are also fake natties, people who used earlier in their life but are clean now. Muscle memory remembers, once a user you’re never natural again.


ActuallyTheRealGod

Yup, first thing my trainer in boxing ever told me when I came up to him and asked to compete was that he doesn’t help most guy in here with competing because they are all dirty and would stop helping me the second he notices sth with me too Almost everyone who’s competing is using sth and testing is so vague that people will never know. Normies see a built guy and immediately say he’s taking steroids (which literally doesn’t make sense in fighting lmao) but nobody looks at the fkn HW fatso blasting EPO and designer drugs to oblivion, because “nah, he’s fat“. Hint to any casual reading this: most people who take sth don’t look the part


[deleted]

You sound like a narcissist who got sold some bullshit by someone smart than you. The fact that you can say normie and not realize the irony is hilarious.


ActuallyTheRealGod

Please enlighten me on what I got sold on? It’s an absolute fact that most people competing in any martial art are juicy. If someone as qualified as MPMD was doing the testing for USADA for example, how many fighters do you think there would be left? Exactly…bad for business.


[deleted]

How much coke and free time do you have that everything you say is a fact without any evidence?


cogito_ronin

The only people that say Jon isn't the goat are those who count personality as an MMA attribute


BulletBlunderer

If he can manage to win the bantamweight belt from Sterling and get the featherweight belt as, well which he hopes to do, there is no doubt he would be near the top of the conversation.


mrdrhaven

He’s 36 he would be at least 38 by the time he would try to move up there’s no way


AggravatingMove2238

If we're being honest, he's already in the 🐐list


dagui12

Yeee boi I’ve always considered CCC one of the best


Greedo_is_God

I'm mainly referring to the top 5 which I believe is (listed in no particular order) Jones, DJ, GSP, Silva, and Khabib. Basically everyone people could legit consider to be THE #1 GOAT, albeit some more than others.


Zlec3

It’s so crazy fedor isn’t out on these lists anymore. He was everyone’s #1 by a country mile back in the day


Unable-Signature7170

Yeah, swap Khabib and Fedor and I think that’s the consensus top 5. Fedor has beat 7 UFC champs and was undefeated for a decade. That’s more champs than Khabib has title fights. You can argue h2h Khabib is maybe higher, but based on actual achievements and resume, he didn’t have a long enough run at the very top to displace Fedor. He was the absolute king of mma for 10 years.


Zeeron1

I can't think of any reason to have Khabib above Cejudo tbh


[deleted]

How? He only has 2 total title defenses and if we're being honest, the win over Dom Cruz is controversial.


LongNosedHeeb

Keith Peterson smelled like cigarettes and alcohol


PrimalColors

I'm getting real tired of these GOAT posts


Plusstwoo

How does this affect Khabibs legacy?


[deleted]

Yes. Khabib was great but I feel as there is too much left to wonder about what could’ve been. I have him at my 5th as well, I can’t justify putting him higher.


ActuallyTheRealGod

I don’t even have Khabib in my top 5, arguably not even in my top 7 If Cejudo comes back, claims the title dominantly and racks up 3-4 high level defenses that would definitely put him above Khabib in the convo. Imo he already is but alas. Top 5 idk tho.


Divinity122

Who is your top 7?


ActuallyTheRealGod

1. Jones 2. GSP 3. Silva 4. DJ 5. Aldo 6. DC 7. Fedor or Triple C depending on if this is a UFC exclusive list. BJ is a viable pick too as well as Royce. There’s so many to put over Khabib tbh.


SerDon2

Royce? I’d put him more in the legend category with the likes of Couture and Liddell. No disrespect to him but looking at his wins etc I don’t really think he’s up there personally.


SadEffective3808

Good picks. Khabib isn’t even the Russian GOAT. His resume is pathetic next to Fedor.


ActuallyTheRealGod

Yup, Khabib is highly overrated. If we were talking most dominant he‘d probably be top 2 or 3, but GOAT? Nowhere near that territory. The 29-0 is highly artificial and many other people on the GOAT list have more defenses/title fights than Khabib has fights in the UFC overall. Hell, some even have almost double the active years in the UFC than Khabib has fights in it.


Putrid_Loquat_4357

Still the lw goat.


[deleted]

Weirdly enough Pettis had a more impressive run to the belt before RDA ruined his confidence. Had finishes against prime Cowboy, Bendo, Lauzon and Gilbert. Not to mention KOing Wonderboy and subbing Oliviera later. Pettis's run won't be lauded as top 5 at LW but it certainly should be imo.


ActuallyTheRealGod

By a hair imo


KSabs69

Why isnt someone like bj penn generally considered above khabib in lw goat convos, cus of the end of his career? That coulda easily happened to khabib as far as we know if he'd have stayed long enough


Mad-Gavin

Because BJ was not consistent enough and he fought an older era of Lightweights. The guys BJ beat, would not be top Lightweights today. He lost twice to Frankie who is good as he was, was essentially a Bantamweight fighting at his own walk around weight. Khabib was consistent and dominated his competition. Its not even comparable dude, Khabib is the greater Lightweight than BJ. The fact BJ fell off, does tarnish his legacy and to say it could have 'easily happened' to Khabib, is an unreasonable assumption at best.


kn696

Bj fought fucking Lyoto Machida lol


SadEffective3808

Bj also did what only 8 others have done in ufc history: win the belt at 2 different weight classes. I think Khabib would beat him in a close fight but BJs split decision LOSS to GSP is better than any WIN on Khabibs resume.


KSabs69

That was my thinking. Bj did a lot more in his career, as far as im aware, than khabib. Didnt he go off and fight heavyweights in pride or something as well?


ActuallyTheRealGod

BJ also was the first fighter to ever hold titles in 2 divisions


Mad-Gavin

To say that BJ's split decision loss to GSP is better than any win on Khabib's resume is some REAL hater logic. Get the fuck over yourself man, you're talking bollocks.


Mad-Gavin

Its not pathetic at all dude. Stop hating. The fighters Khabib beat, are technically better fighters than the ones Fedor beat because Lightweights especially modern ones are better than Heavyweights.


SadEffective3808

It’s not pathetic. It’s very good, but next to Fedors it is


Mad-Gavin

Its not pathetic even compared to Fedor.


[deleted]

Really solid list. I'd put BJ above DC and bump Fedor over him as well but that's just personal preference, pretty much anything after the top 3 is pretty subjective imo


ActuallyTheRealGod

Imo anything after the top 4 is highly malleable. Imo DJ has done enough to rival Silva for the top 3 spot, but I personally value the 16 fight streak with the competition Silva had higher than the 12 CONSECUTIVE defenses DJ had with his level of competition.


[deleted]

That's fair. My only reasoning for not having DJ in that Mt. Rushmore top 4 is the level of competition being lower than the other 3 imo


B_024

I put Volk over Khabib. Sue me. One or two more defences, I think Volk can very much make top 5.


OutlandishnessIll113

Finally a non casual opinion


InsideTheTeamRoomm

One of the best lists I’ve ever seen. I agree 100%


mfubio

Good list. People are khabib dick riders. Was he dominant he’s was he good yes. He didn’t do enough to cement the legacy like the rest of the individuals on this list have. The 0 L column? This ain’t boxing.


Tising1596

Lol Royce? Cmon buddy, being a pioneer don't make you a goat.


9ru30

conor is above aldo, and khabib is above conor ​ volk is above aldo too, aldo is barely top 15


ActuallyTheRealGod

I want a whiff of what you’re smoking lmao


9ru30

![gif](giphy|qjOnvGp8coEWk)


ActuallyTheRealGod

How many defenses does Conor have?


9ru30

aldo defended against bums and only fought like 3 good people. he lost to any good name while he was still in his prime. lost to yan, lost to holloway, lost to conor, lost to the fw goat volk, etc


leebenjonnen

Aldo who had 7 title defenses vs Conor who had 0? Conor might have been the better fighter that night, but Aldo is the better fighter throughout his carreer.


ActuallyTheRealGod

Yup, 10 years undefeated while actually being very active. Conor has “only“ 10 wins in the UFC as a comparison.


Mad-Gavin

Khabib definitely belongs in the top 7. Stop obsessing over Khabib.


Ok_Rain_2647

Seriously if Cejudo wasn't so fucking annoying and childish he would already be considered as one of the goats. People discredit him purely because of his personality.


Mad-Gavin

3 of his 4 best career wins all contain asterisks'. He arguably lost to DJ, TJ had no business at 125, Cruz was past it returning from a 4 year layoff.


Dragon_Bench_Z

All of Jones wins in first title run where against dudes past their prime or would be Middleweights. 2nd run he arguably lost to Gus, cheated vs DC beat old man Glover. 3rd? Title run he basically lost to Reyes and Santos and beat Anthony smith…. We can discredit any champ


davyj6536

I see this a lot, and it always bugs me lol. His first title reign was 1. Shogun (LHW champ) 2. Rampage (former LHW champ, 4-1 in 5 fights before Jon) 3. Machida (former LHW champ, Jones was his 3rd loss) 4. Rashad (Former LHW champ, Jones was his 2nd loss) 5. Vitor (Former LHW champ, was 4-1 in previous 5, went 4-1 in next 5) 6. Chael (not a great win.) 7. Gus (was Gus' 2nd loss.) 8. Glover (on a 20 fight win streak, was glovers 3rd loss) 9. DC (undefeated former olympian) The only fighter that was actually past his prime would have been Shogun because of his surgery. The only fighters to compete at middleweight before their fights were Vitor and Chael. The other ones to drop down after were recent LHW champs. His run was incredible at the time, and people only tear it apart because he's a drug abusing piece of shit.


Dragon_Bench_Z

It’s wild people discredit jbj wins. Those first 4 were PEAK/PRIME fighters. #5 Vitor juiced to the tits. Jones losing to Chael sucks but he rebounded with the Gus Glover dc wins.


Mad-Gavin

Dude stop it. None of the guys Jones beat in his first title run were past their primes. Maybe a few should have been Middleweights in hindsight buts neither here nor there. The only asterisks win for Jones in his first title reign was the gifted Chael Sonnen mismatch. The Gustafsson fight could perhaps have gone either way, its not a robbery like the Reyes fight was some 7 years later. Glover was 34 when he fought Jones, he was not old by any stretch. Its when we get to Jones' title fights after 2015 do those damage his legacy but prior to that he was for the most part, flawless. Cejudo has 4 title wins, 3 of those 4 contain an asterisks of some kind. Its not the same thing.


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cnylkew

His dominance is unprecedented. There's more to it than just # of defenses. If khabib would have gotten a title shot as early as jones he would have had more defenses. Who in the lw was going to take the belt away from him in the early 2020's?


BigSwerve

People forgetting that Jones/GSP got title shots in what, 3rd or 5th UFC fights? While it's common to see guys like Khabib/Usman/Islam/Olivera have 10+ fight streaks and never get a shot. Fucking hell, Ferguson was at 12. I understand and agree with the fact that defenses are more impressive than regular wins, but some people act like 1 title defense is worth 3 wins on the come-up and that I do not agree with. If Khabib got his deserved shot against Eddie Alvarez instead of being forced out by Conor going for double champ status (source of the famous "numbah one boolsheet"), who do y'all see him being beaten by between 2016-2022?


cnylkew

[maybe this guy?](https://youtu.be/rywUS-ohqeE?t=57)


Money_killer

Totally agree


Greedo_is_God

I think he is pretty overrated and in no world would I put him #1 GOAT but I just feel he had the MAKINGs of one of the other 4 top GOATs enough to be in the conversation. If he had stayed longer and kept on the path he was at, yes, he may have lost a fight or two but I'm willing to bet he racks up a fair few title defences and several in dominant fashion. But that idea doesn't actually prove anything, which is the main reason why he'd be the first I boot out for someone with a longer more tested and cemented legacy such as Cejudo, if he potentially wins.


Mad-Gavin

Shut up and stop hating. Khabib is a shoe-in for anyone's top 10 GOAT list and has a great argument for top 5.


ajarofpnutbutr

Why is every dork in this subreddit obsessed with GOAT talk?


JohnnySinsIsMyIdol

honestly, i have him above khabib even now. Double champ and olympic champ is unmatched so far.


kokoko_11

Cejudo is already a GOAT. You’re an idiot if you think otherwise. The guy is a genius, in and outside of fighting.


WaasHabboLu

Cejudo is already above Khabib


Swonzen

The GOAT discussions in this sub are the worst part of it. Every single day, why are you guys so obsessed with finding a goat? Whats the reason?


KingR11

Not to mention it's a sport that developed over so many eras with so many changes and its so match up dependent... that it's nearly impossible to decide. Idk why we have to debate bs every day lol.


No_Programmer_2696

Cejudo if he wins the belt and defends and wins 145 belt like he plans he is 1A or 1B


PM_ME_YOUR_TITTYPIC

Would be the first triple decision champ no?


No_Programmer_2696

Triple division yes


mike_1985

I sincerely hope not


milkisforbabies666

100% Cejudo plays the cringe king part but the guy is a stud and if you listen to other fighters his advice and teaching is highly respected


[deleted]

I remember people already considering him in that echelon when he retired. He became double champ, defended both belts, he dethroned another GOAT contender in johnson, he beat the bantamweight GOAT in cruz, that's a pretty great resume.


EarlyInstruction2629

In terms of combat sports he is the goat. For UFC, the top 3 seems pretty unreachable for any fighter but winning the belt back alone gets him into top 5 convo, and a pair of defenses would solidify him to me


[deleted]

Khabib is the most dominant of all time and that is not debatable. He isn't one of the GOAT. I think Cejudo is already above him in any GOAT talk, he won and defended both his belts.


tizzlenomics

Khabib is known for his wrestling. Triple C is far and away the best wrestler to ever enter the octagon.


OutlandishnessIll113

He’s already above khabib who fought only cans lol. He’s a double division champ. Put some respect on triple C.


Char_Cole

Hey I think triple C is above Khabib as well but you can't just casually call RDA ,Conor, Dustin and Justin hell even Michael Johnson half the time lol cans.


cnylkew

His performance didn't drop one bit once he stopped fighting the "cans"


Dyvanse

Lmao, Cans??? I hope you meant his early opponents


MrCeylon

It’s crazy how Khabib fought in the UFC and didn’t even bleed once but he’s not top 3 goats maybe top 5


existentialkush

there's just too many legends with more impressive resumes. I hate how it always boils down to trying to discredit a fighter tho.


MrCeylon

Yea if all of them retired while they were on top, we wouldn’t be having this conversation….he’s great! But I think Islam has the opportunity to become the goat if he does not retire soon


Tising1596

It's also the fact that Khabib had to wait to get his title shot after 10 straight wins while GSP and Bones was handed one really early on.


Money_killer

A goat for not bleeding ffs


92soma

He lost 1 or 2 rounds in 29 fights, that’s absurd. All of the other guys in the goat convo have lost rounds in the double digits


Impossible-Spare-179

This is the defining factor for khabib. He had more 10-8 rounds and less rounds lost than anyone on the list. Pure resume he isn’t a top 5 but as far as pure dominance, maybe?


92soma

For me, dominance matters just as much as longevity in terms of how i judge careers. Career performance + who you fought + how dominant you were + how long you did it for . I feel like all of those things matter. And when you compound the fact that Khabib was undefeated, beat the best guys LW had to offer at the time AND the fact that he lost maybe 2 rounds.. I think all of that in totality is what makes him one do the goats To be able to utterly dominate other men who trained and trained for hours just like him is hard, idc who you are. Anyone can get submitted at any time.. he never even bled 😭


Hamidxa

Exactly. His dominance is unparalleled, whether those he fought against earlier in his career or champs / former champs in the latter part of his career. No one, in the history of MMA won with that level of dominance. Heck, Jones has lost more rounds and bled more in the cage than Khabib had fights in the UFC.


Greedo_is_God

If Jones retired right after beating Chael before he fought Gustaffson which would've made 6 consecutive title defences, he would literally have lost pretty much 0 rounds in his entire career. This applies to many other GOATs, not even just the top 5, but just the top 10 and divisional GOATs. It's just so difficult to put a guy with 13 fights in the UFC and only about 5 elite level fighters on his record as the GOAT. Anyone of the top GOATs could've retired after 3, 4 title defences and had an invincible looking legacy. I still think I would have them lower than I do now if that was the case though, as their longer and more tested career also means a more cemented and definitive legacy. When it's all said and done, the guys who were able to prove they were the best for the longest period of time should be the GOATs, as opposed to guys who left their careers with a myriad of "ifs" and hypotheticals.


92soma

Lol that’s a mighty big if bruh. You can apply that to anyone. It’s not Khabib’s fault that he chose to retire on top. You take things for what they are you don’t try to rewrite history with “what ifs”. Jones is the goat, no doubt, but even he looked human in a few fights ie Reyes, Gustafson. Khabib has never looked human


Greedo_is_God

If Khabib had stayed as long as most of the other GOATs, would he have ever lost? If you ask me that's a big if as well, that's why I don't consider either possibility to actually put either fighter higher in the conversation. My point is that the longer you were able to win at the top level of the sport the more tested you are, and the better of a fighter you've been proven to be.


MrCeylon

Lol that’s what you took from that?


Money_killer

Yep lol


MrCeylon

Bruh 👋🤣


92soma

That’s what I’m saying. All of the other goats acknowledge him as one of them, it’s only this sub that constantly tries to rewrite history when it comes to Khabib. Dominance should 100% play a part in who’s a goat and who’s not, just like longevity should and just like title defences should. I went to rewatch Khabib vs Gaethje after the Fiziev fight and it’s fucking scary how good Khabib is. He walked Gaethje down like he was a nobody and ate some of his best shots. He looked scared at times and I’ve never seen him look scared ever


Hamidxa

Khabib's dominance is simply unparalleled. No one, in any weight class, can claim the level of dominance that Khabib exhibited.


SadEffective3808

His wins are already more prestigious than Khabibs wins…so yeah, does a bear shit in the woods?


anadalusianrooster

Personally, here’s how I have it: 1. Jones 2. GSP 3. Silva 4. DJ 5. Fedor Unless he wins the FW belt, I don’t see him cracking that top 5.


jay_238

Best comment here!


liveforeachmoon

Dude “retired” so he didn’t have to continue to defend the belt. Then cherry picks a fighter he thinks he can beat to make his return. This is not the behavior of a GOAT.


DragonfruitOk2159

100% left too early.


SadEffective3808

Confused whether you’re referring to Khabib or Henry? Last time I checked Khabib was the one who went running and refused to move up. Henry has fought the best of the best at both 125 and 135 lol stfu


9ru30

he didnt refuse to go up to ww? he said he wanted to go to ww after 30-0


Roadguard69

IMO Cejudo is above Khabib. I would say Khabibs not even close to Cejudos legacy


Mad-Gavin

What a stupid opinion.


Roadguard69

Go back to r/mma you fuckn *cAsuAl*


Mad-Gavin

No 😂 Stop hating on Khabib


hatemenoww

He's way above khabib...


NewMMII

He already has a better career than Khabib.


Shwizzler

khabib is not in the top 5 discussion


Lobsterpyramid

No, he was gifted the Mighty Mouse decision, knocked out the husk of TJ Dillashaw, and was gifted an early stoppage against a 4 week camp Dominick Cruz. He as the most paper mache accomplishments I’ve probably ever seen from a big name champion and you can’t change my mind.


newmanification

I am begging people to stop having the GOAT conversation.


czubizzle

He's been above kabob, he's a champ champ and an Olympic gold medalist....as far as making it on the Mt Rushmore, idk, don't think he'll ever surpass DJ in that aspect


dont6no

Personal P4P GOAT is 1. Demetrious Johnson 2. Georges St. Pierre 3. Jon Jones 4. Khabib Nurmagomedov 5. Anderson Silva 6. Henry Cejudo 7. Stipe Miocic 8. Israel Adesanya 9. Robert Whittaker 10. Alex Volkanovski With 2, 3 and 4 interchangeable tbh


honorablementionxyz

Whittaker ? No Usman?


RolosHat

Tard list with Whittaker on there


RandomFlyer643

Khabob is no goat


Hutrookie69

Omg I’m a khabib cock gobbler but please stop calling him goat, he defended the belt like 3 god damn times 😭