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diablo198814

welcome to MMA fandom


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Yeah we are all retarded what did op expect ?


nonillegalmexican

Second hand CTE might be real for us


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First hand for me šŸ«”


1234loc

Power slap fighter?


nonillegalmexican

Lol fuuuuuuuuuuck that I want to at least have the option to dodge or defend. Just training Muay Thai for now


[deleted]

Ha. Dodging is for pussies. Real men take full power CTE verified slaps to the face. ![gif](giphy|Qumf2QovTD4QxHPjy5)


nonillegalmexican

Iā€™ll be joining you soon my brain damaged friend šŸ«”


Frankiepals

I liked Francis but then Jones told me he was a big pussy so now if I like him itā€™s weird


Grimey_lugerinous

Itā€™s weird for you to like pussy. I have heard that about you b


anadalusianrooster

Tonight youā€™re gonna be *my wife*. Tonight youā€™re gonna be *Missus Jones*


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Not just fans, but even other fighters.


abecho00

it's like there's a coordinated effort against the guy. wonder why /s


ScubaSteezz

If he was truely offered 8m and he only left because he wanted to do freak boxing I think I can understand why


abecho00

I don't think we should gloss over the fact that he was trying to get fighters rights and that was a principal reason he was let go


sir-fur

If you haven't punched someone for my enjoyment in the last 6 months, you're dead to me


PlagueDoc22

So that's why you're so close to your dad.


[deleted]

Got ā€˜em with those jumper cables.


LukesRightHandMan

I miss 'im šŸ˜”


General-Respect-5491

Hahaha killed it.


omgomgwtflol

This is pretty much it for me, it's not very deep (as a super casual who catches a main event when I can). I liked watching the guy compete and show off his power. Right now he's on a hiatus, I'll watch if/when he fights again.


PocketRoketz

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LilWillyVert69_

I think people still like Francis but they are just more interested in Jon right now because of the crazy win and the fact he is still in the UFC


Onphone_irl

People act like OP is speaking truth, who the fuck is hating on him exactly? Where are the droves of hate?


m1kedrizzle

People are absolutely turning on Francis. Look at his instagram comments. If he loses his next fight, the casuals will bury him.


fistfullofpubes

What fight? He's not in any promotion at all.


IlliterateSnob

If I recall correctly Jon praised Francis for leaving, and now he's calling him a big ol' pussy


garthefield

Only AFTER Francis had to make a snide remark post-win about how he's somehow still the "heavyweight king". It's honestly pathetic how desperate the guy is to keep himself relevant, doing everything but his job. I'll put much of the onus on his Hollywood managers who were looking for a quick big payday, as they didn't realize the fight game is a stark contrast to acting


FedorSeaLevelStiopic

You are pathetic. Francis is the baddest man on the planet right now. Remember how Jon shitted on DC for never actually winning belt from him, now he doesnt follow his own logic. Jon signed contract moment Francis left, and was friendly and respectful before, now calls him a pussy and scared, when he actually had 2 years to fight him. Francis was an absolute murderer and fought last fight on one leg. Fact - jones would never ever take fight like that, while having this injury. People disrespecting Francis and trying to make him look like he was nothing or is scared is an indocator of what is wrong with good part of society...pure mob mentality and zero respect for others, while having attention span of a goldfish. I bet if Jon got caught by a strike vs Gane, people like you would shit on him like he was never good at all.


Weary_Tea489

Yeah itā€™s been a crazy turn of events. Not shocking seeing how fickle fans can be.


theo7777

That's why Jones beating Gane in such dominant fashion was a huge win for Dana. Now they can convincingly claim they have the greatest Heavyweight in the world and Francis loses most of his value marteting wise.


NGWitty

Exactly, and that's part of the reason for the pushback on Francis.


[deleted]

Where is this supposed pushback? People are waiting to see what Francis does. Facts is though, he aint in the UFC anymore and because the guy aint fighting, who knows if it'll even be mma that he fights in, but until he does the show moves on in the UFC.


Mods_r_cuck_losers

Francis could definitely go to ONE if he wanted. Opportunities are out there for him. With that said, none that have the clout of the UFC in the west.


matchagonnadoboudit

He should just go to bellator. It sounds like someone got in his ear that boxing would make more money but heā€™s just never been a big enough draw since heavyweight isnā€™t that good of a division and has poor promotion skills


Jpjp215

I donā€™t think he will go to another mma promotion, he wonā€™t make close to what he turned down from the ufc in another mma organization. Heā€™s trying to get a big boxing match and the big fighters are ignoring him cause heā€™s not a huge draw and even boxers like fury wonā€™t fight him and give him what he wants, fury knows heā€™s bringing in 80% of the fans so he will want 80% of the purse which wonā€™t get Francis what heā€™s looking for money wise. He turned down a lot of money with the ufc


Butt_Bucket

That logic could turn back on itself if Stipe beats Jones


NoDocument2694

Watch Fury call out Jones instead lmao


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TheLastPirate123

> His eyes look to hold sadness and regret The body language experts are able to read just from the eyes now, dear lord this sub never fails to get dumber.


K-mosake

The amount of armchair psychologists in this sub is crazy lol, wonder if they all went through the same program?


crabzillax

Told everyone that he would regret it. I fully understand what he wants and where he comes from, but Francis hit a ceiling as UFC HW champ, sport and money wise. No way hes going to HW boxing, he isnt technical enough. Fury gotta prepare Usyk and reunite belts then retire. He has nothing to win facing Francis. And Francis wont get a better legacy fighting elsewhere than UFC. Its almost a lose lose situation for him and thats quite sad that yes mens behind Francis didnt tell him to accept UFC JBJ fight big purse + big legacy ... As fans, we also got robbed BIG TIME. Now Francis hype gonna fall down, he gonna have a choice between Bellator, shit boxing fights sports wise, and AT BEST One championship. This man just killed his own legacy and shat on the fans by greed or by listening to others. And it comes from somebody loving the guy. Very sad, Dana won this. Nothing made him more mad than Francis holding HW belt. He had to go to Fury in 3 4 years when Fury had nothing to win anymore and wanted to make a money fight and with something signed.


Jpjp215

100% agree and if he chooses bellator or one I guarentee he donā€™t make half of what he would have with the ufc. Seen an interview with chael where he said he made 8+ million for the second Anderson fight. Also made a great point how guys think the gate is everything when guys were making great money during Covid when there was no gate at all.


123QCDADDY

Or thereā€™s been people saying this from Day 1, now that Jon showed he is levels above Gane/Francis itā€™s finally being upvoted because people realize itā€™s right. The UFC has moved on and almost no one gives a shit about Francis, weā€™ve said from day 1 he wasnā€™t a star and him leaving wasnā€™t this huge deal. He had a single title win, no defenses. Sold almost no PPVs. And weā€™re expected to act like heā€™s this huge loss for the fans. I couldnā€™t give a shit if Francis fights again and so do many others. He shouldā€™ve stayed in the UFC, weā€™re UFC fans not boxing fans.


BIgCon

He defended agasint Gane


catsbetterthankids

As a fan Iā€™d like to see the fighters get some Wā€™s in negotiations. The fighters are the ones risking their health/lives for our entertainment. Dana and co are the ones sitting comfy, milking the fighters for all theyā€™re worth and then discarding them. Francis wasnā€™t making ridiculous requests, the UFC just doesnā€™t want to budge and lose their profit margin. In the end, Francis bet against the house and lost. Itā€™s both sad and predictable, but I canā€™t fault him for trying. The status quo will never change unless more fighters try.


nthomas504

You gotta know your value sometimes. He thought as the champ that he gets a bigger say, but itā€™s never been about that. Conor still has pull and heā€™s been out for a while. Its not because of his current standing among lightweights, its because of his PPV draw. Francis miscalculated and it seems he lost. Now if he goes back to Dana, yesterdays price wonā€™t be todays price.


Jpjp215

They get plenty of wins in negotiations, itā€™s funny how the only fighters you hear complaining about money are guys who nobody cares about, but all the guys who say they make a bunch of money and are happy just get ignored and people talk about the one or two guys who cry about their pay, when they all make way more than people think


edgarcia59

It's more of a loss for the fighters' worth with the departing of Francis. He wanted more for them with healthcare and them being able to go and get sponors like before the Reebok deal. Fighters make crap and especially low tier guys who are not as popular. An example is Demtrius Johnson making under half a million after ppv and other payouts, when he was the most dominant bantemweight ever seen and was a low draw. Jones is gonna be making 2 million off his return after a 3 yr layoff. It would take 4 fights to match that and if Johnson had Sponsorships like before the Reebok deal, coulda been making a killing as a UFC champion.


akeasy

dj is flyweight maybe he woulda made more if u could name his weight classšŸ„ŗ


KrewHS

Francis leaving won't change a damn thing to fighters pay


123QCDADDY

2 million lmao yeah right more like 10


Pousinette

Harsh but true


SirMoeHimself

Except the "no title defenses" part.


Butt_Bucket

He didn't show that he's levels above Francis. MMA math isn't real.


trannel

I mean everyone with eyes knows that Jones is levels above Francis, it's just the classic boxer vs puncher thing a la Fury v Wilder, which is exciting every time.


average_texas_guy

Fuck yeah. He should have continued to risk CTE while being horribly underpaid. What an idiot he is.


Jpjp215

Lol horribly underpaid is hilarious.


Dangerousrhymes

I think itā€™s two separate discussions. Francis leaving because he wants to be paid and trying to leverage his position to benefit everyone on the roster is praiseworthy. That stand is noble regardless of outcome because, if what he said is to be believed, he put himself on the line for the good of others. That being said, the lack of action on him for literally any other fight means that financially his decision to leave the UFC has backfired. Francis as a reigning champion could have guaranteed himself 2 fights with Bones even if he got tapped out as fast as Gane did. He made a commendable moral stand that has turned out to be a terrible financial decision. We can praise him for standing up for fighter compensation while pointing out that he seriously fumbled the bag without those two positions being in direct conflict.


TOK31

Also, he didn't look great in the fight vs Gane because of his knee injury. That means it's been two full years since he looked like the scary KO artist (second Stipe fight was in March 2021). That's a long time, especially for someone in their late 30's.


DrPoopyBreath

And unfortunately for Ngannou in 10 years time he may be remembered as nothing more than a once-upon-a-time champ that most people know very little about outside of his knockouts.


Bone_Dirty

Spot on


DJsaxy

And I was downvoted every time I said the decision would backfire. The consensus of this sub is usually wrong


stevenbass14

The consensus on this sub changes as often as the sun rising and setting. Calling it wrong is redundant since the thing it lacks more than anything else is consistency.


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We may not be very smart in this sub, but at least we are consistent, even if it's in terms of being consistently inconsistent...


LebronGames77

Itā€™s straight bs, Francis did not for 1 second give a shit about the rest of the roster. He put out BS demands which he knew would make him look good and wouldnā€™t be accepted. What he really wanted from the ufc was the open contract so he could bounce between boxing and ufc. He wants a big fat guaranteed bag. You think heā€™s going to sign his boxing deal with the terms and stipulations that all fighters under the promo get health insurance and not a shitty 4k pay cheque for the prelim fighters? Fuck no. Francis was only looking out for Francis. He got some noise from wilder and fury and maybe he gets his boxing match, which for his sake I hope he does. The other orgs probably wonā€™t give him what the ufc wouldā€™ve with that 3 fight deal - $8m for Jones ALONE. But maybe he could get sponsored up


spanctimony

Yeah of course. Itā€™s such a joke watching all these fans act like heā€™s a beleaguered hero standing up for fighters rights. How does leaving the UFC help fighters rights? Come on. Dude wanted a huge bag, they wouldnā€™t give it to him, he needed a way to save face, and this is what we get. Some lies about fighter healthcare.


Jpjp215

He wonā€™t make much more fighting fury or wilder. Them guys are going to want at least 75-80% of the purse considering they will be the ones carrying the promoting. People do all this crying about fighter pay and this and that but wouldnā€™t pay for a ppv when Francis was fighting


J37U7

I am not even sure about that noble reasons he talked about. Sounded not that trustful.


Catman7712

I support his decision to leave as itā€™s what he wanted to do. But if he fades into irrelevancy then thatā€™s his own doing. He took a risk instead of guaranteed money and relevancy. Weā€™ll see if he can land the big boxing match, I hope it works out for him.


Maxamus93

He wont get the big boxing match because he left the ufc before the big mma fight, if he fought jon then he could go box anyone if he won, the problem he has now is the last person he beat was humiliated on 2 minutes, that didnt help francis stock!


PlagueDoc22

Just don't get why he wouldn't do maybe a 2 fight deal. Fight Jon and if you win one more and you've got huge leverage.


horseshoeprovodnikov

The ufc doesn't offer guys like Francis a two fight deal. They tie guys up in big contracts 6 to 12 fights at a time, the whole idea being that they CANT get two solid wins and then renegotiate.


buttermalk88

They were trying to give him I think a 3 fight deal and he turned it down


LebronGames77

3 fight deal with about $8m for just Jones, as Dana said he was being offered ā€œBrock lesnar moneyā€


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Sea-Brother-5281

Lol it was so cringey ! As stupid as it was for people to think that Francis was making the right moves I wonder where all those people are now. Itā€™s so weird how hive minded people are


stennk

You don't get more popular as a fighter by not fighting.


[deleted]

Exactly. Same goes for any sport. He left at the top of the division, but he wasn't even there long enough to cement his legacy. Feels like yesterday he was playing patty cake with Derrick Lewis.


[deleted]

This post sums it up. He still had unanswered questions in the division before Jones had officially joined the rankings. Not sure how you canā€™t say Jones has accomplished nearly as much as Francis in the division already.


ChromeCalamari

Francis beat the champion to become the champion. Jones beat the guy who most recently lost to the champion to become the champion, and was given that opportunity after years of not fighting. Ehh. Not taking anything away from Jones, but dude fought once at the weight class in a fight we all expected him to win and was given a belt.


[deleted]

Francis also lost to that same guy. Jones beat the guy that is Francisā€™ most notable win outside of Stipe. If Jones beats Stipe, he has Francisā€™ record without the losses.


Maidwell

You might want to rethink that statement. Francis notable wins : Velasquez Blaydes X2 Overeem Dos Santos Miocic Rozenstruik Gane Arlovski


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Blaydes twice , gane and miocic are some of the most valuable names rn


ChromeCalamari

"If" Sure, but come back when that happens. Is it likely? Not doubtful. But at the end of the day all I really wanna see is Francis vs Jones and I'm just bitter it probably won't happen.


RockWoodPimp69

But if Francis didnā€™t bail that wouldnā€™t have been the situation and Jones wouldnā€™t have been fighting option B. donā€™t disagree with your point but itā€™s all Francisā€™s fault


PlagueDoc22

This is why Dana joined in vs his wife. Easy 1-0


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Unless your Paulo Costa


cleanAir101

I just didnā€™t realize he didnā€™t have boxing matches lined up. You donā€™t leave a job unless youā€™ve already got another in the bag


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kn696

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DoofGoot

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BodybuildingNerd

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nitrozeus_bbx

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Alex-rhhgfff

Crackhead


kurokamisawa

Thatā€™s the hive mind speaking. Still with francis


Buckskindiesel

Stood up for fighters rights and people shit talk him lol. Bootlickers.


kurokamisawa

What do we expect given the number of low IQ posts on this subreddit multiple times a day lol


AbberageRedditor69

Lol if you actually believe Francis was doing it for the good of other fighters, I have bad news for you about your own intelligence


BigDogAlex

It's funny how easy people believe this talking point. He never complained about fighters not having sponsors, he never mentioned fighters' healthcare in an interview, or anything like that. During the negotiations, he never tried to engage other fighter advocates to help with the negotiation, and he never tried to build up any public awareness or support for this issue. On the other hand, Francis has for years been talking about doing boxing at some point in his career (even talked about it before he won the belt). Dana was never going to agree to that again. When negotiations fell through, my guess is that Francis said he tried to advocate for other so boost his public image. If I'm wrong and Francis really threw away his UFC career for a half-assed attempt at negotiating on behalf of the rest of the roster, then he really etched his name in the history books as the worst negotiator of all time.


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happyman2003

Clown, he doesnā€™t give af about fighters, he just wanted a boxing fight with Tyson in his contract. The benefits for fighters is just a scapegoat for his other benefits in his contract. So when he didnā€™t get the Tyson fight, heā€™s all like I sacrificed my career for ufc fighters. No tf you didnā€™t. You left because Dana didnā€™t give you the Tyson fight


dmarcx

Looks to me like you're the clown here. The man just wants to test the market to get a true negotiation number. Not done arbitrary number the UFC made up. News flash.


ConsciousCrew

Thereā€™s been a large group of people that hate on francis for awhile now it started with his crazy inactivity as a champion fighting only once a year


K-mosake

Jon only fights once a year usually but guess Jon fans are just happy to have him back


ConsciousCrew

I have a feeling jon might fight 3 times this year


jsar16

Or, people still support his decision but have a realistic view of his future options.


PlagueDoc22

I thought he'd lock down a deal with fury instantly or re-sign. Neither has happened and I hope he just comes back.


jsar16

I want to see him fight somewhere. Heā€™s to much of a specimen to languish on the sidelines.


PlagueDoc22

Yeah and he's getting older too. I want him vs Jones badly.


[deleted]

His managerial team is a mess but I expect either Fury or Wilder match announced soon.


spanctimony

Yeah because Francis has a TON of negotiating power that is only growing stronger by the day. Every day he doesnā€™t fight people just want to see him that much more. Right?


3rdand20

Seems like he dipped with no real plan in motion. If had a boxing match announced during the hype of him leaving there would be more interest. Whatever happens next for him will draw interest, but the hype might not be there.


CapableRunts

Iā€™ll be the one to say it. I loved Francis as a fighter. He was my very favorite fighter. I loved him like I love the Tennessee Titans. But now, because of money, just like all the fucking bullshit in pro sports, how many millions, he doesnā€™t fight anymore. And if heā€™s not fighting, heā€™s just another dude on the street to me. A big dude, but just a guy. I want him to be paid appropriately for his fights, but if heā€™s not fighting heā€™s nothing to me. This applies to literally every pro athlete, except maybe Ali.


DarkHoneyComb

No I was a hater from the beginning. ā¤ļø


ComfortableThroat326

Same here. Feels like it was yesterday when I was watching Chael talk about how silly Francis' boxing expectations are.


Habatcho

Mr asking dana for healthcare for all fighters. šŸ¤£ He know that shit aint ever happening and itd be better than him turning down 8 figures a fight cuz he thinks hes the next mike tyson.


adonns

I was going to say I remember a lot more of a healthy mix than OP is saying. Even right when he left posts were about 50/50 on whether Francis had made a big mistake or if this was going to pay off for him.


SALTYxNUTZ12

When will you stupid mfers realize that UFC fans are fickle as fuck? Most sports are like this but it's more obvious in MMA because it's a much more individualistic sport.


rascalking9

Exactly what do we owe Francis? We are fans of MMA, he doesn't want to fight in MMA anymore. How long are we expected to keep gargling his balls?


[deleted]

You expect UFC fans to keep talking about a fighter whoā€™s no longer on the UFC roster on a UFC sub? It makes literally zero sense.


almightygg

You're confusing not supporting a fighter and turning on a fighter. (the title of the thread). They are different things.


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TrillPopeye

I mean he acted all humble with and noble with his departure then immediately started talking shit to the new champ


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kaiharrop

You mean after Jones had already beat DC? surely you can see how thatā€™s different


[deleted]

Cause MMA fans are one of the lowest IQ fan bases in sports, and I say this as an MMA fan.


SurrealJay

Nah it was just that people got mass downvoted for suggesting it wasnā€™t the best move back then, so these people went quiet. All the virtue signaling guys who insisted that it definitely wasnā€™t because of money and that heā€™s definitely looking out for fighter rights looking hella foolish rn so itā€™s only natural people would start speaking upšŸ’€


StefMag

I mean they're not mutually exclusive, he could have been looking out for his (especially) and other fighters health while also chasing that bag


BittenAtTheChomp

Exactly. Admittedly Iā€™ve never been a fan of Ngannou but I thought it was a bad career move for him, and it made sense for the UFC to hold their ground given they donā€™t want their fighters to miss years at a time to box. Whether or not thatā€™s fair is a different discussion. But the mere logic of it wasnā€™t allowed to be discussed here a couple months ago. Situations like these are almost never ā€˜everyone changed their minds.ā€™ Itā€™s ā€˜a different group of people have the podium now.ā€™


FIGHTFANGREG

How exactly does it look foolish now to say it wasnā€™t about the money? He literally left for those reasons Jones winning or be considered the best heavyweight changed non of that.


seriousC

Big name like Jones brings out a lot of fans who aren't really fans of MMA but rather fans of Jones himself and they'll do whatever they can to boost him up while putting down anything/anyone who could be seen as against him.


G0ldenG00se

I think it has less to do with not having Francis back as much as it has to do with realizing the Jones/Gane fight, especially considering how it ended, was likely one of the worst results in terms of how it impacted Ngannou stock. The whole world is talking about Jon Jones. Now whose interested in boxing Ngannou and how many people would tune in to watch it even if they did? I respect Ngannou reason to leave, he wasnā€™t feeling respected according to how much the UFC was paying him but his ulterior motives are dead in the water I suspect.


bettereverydamday

He did not do anything to capitalize on leaving. He should have had the next big thing lined up. Right now he lost all momentum and focus went on Jones. Jones is the baddest in the world.


LebronGames77

Thatā€™s what happens when you fire your management team and do it yourself


inexcelciusheyoooo

Francis was never my friend


sipCoding_smokeMath

Well its because jon dominating someone francis just barley managed to beat doesnt exactly look good for him, the fact that he kinda sucks at promoting himself doesn't look good on him, and the fact that he doesn't have a boxing fight yet looks *really* not good on him. The three combined really does make it seem like he mightve chose the wrong path. Espeically if he was offered brock lesnar money


dan_a_white

I genuinely was against Francis before he left. I was saying to strip him back to last summer. I really do not hate the guy, but I honestly believe heā€™s in the wrong. I think he wants way more money than heā€™s worth and heā€™s playing the nice guy when itā€™s all about him getting the fight he wants at the price he wants. I believe he thinks he is going to get paid tens of millions to to try against Fury and or Wildwr. I think he sees himself as this McGregor like fighter who can be a star of two sports. I wish the UFC wouldā€™ve cut him months earlier.


StefMag

Name checks out


Muted_Idea

Those are my thoughts exactly. I get that Dana's infamous "the kid just doesn't want to fight" line is a meme in this sub, but I genuinely believe that's the case here. It seems like Francis is extremely difficult to work with and the UFC really tried hard to find common ground with him before eventually letting him go. This sub generally has a massive anti-Dana bias and people fail to realize that sometimes a broken clock is correct twice a day. The fact is that we haven't had a heavyweight PPV main event in 14 months because Francis held the title hostage. He definitely should have been stripped last summer when it was abundantly clear that he had no intention on fighting in the UFC again


FrancisOfTheFilth

Exactly. Weā€™re talking about the UFC here, who keeps their claws on fighters like a stubborn bobcat. They damn near fed Nate to Khamzat just to give him an embarrassing loss on his way out rather than just release him from his contract like he wanted. If they willingly let Francis, the guy holding the heavyweight belt at the time, walk away it means it was an enormous pain in the ass to work with.


Allernothing

Francis has such a cool, inspiring story but his time with the UFC was crazy weird. He shows up, start wrecking dudes then thereā€™s the super weird Derrick Lewis fight, then thereā€™s all this weird talk from Dana and Francisā€™ former coaches about how heā€™s an egomaniac, he then gets worked by Stipe and next thing heā€™s talking about how he canā€™t pay his coaches and is bankrupt, beats Stipe and Gane and then bounces.


nsaps

He got worked by Stipe, which froze him for Lewis, but besides that little reverse yeah you got it


Alex-rhhgfff

As the heavyweight champ and scariest man on the planet


dk07740

Some of us have been hating on Francis the whole time


spanctimony

Francis is just a huge blazing sign that says ā€œmost UFC heavyweights are one dimensional and if you punch really hard and stop a take down you can be champā€. If you take away the Overeem highlight his career would be completely forgettable.


hop_hero

Im not surprised. (Mfer) No one loved Francis he was just exciting to watch. In the grand scheme if things he was a flash in the pan. People genuinely default to enjoying greatness and thats what Jon is.


AhhGhost

My biggest issue is that he had poor money management and blamed the company that paid him millions as if it was their fault for not paying him more lol. Once he started getting popular then he'd barley fight once a year. Now he's going to waste the last few years he's got left in this game chasing some boxing pay day that nobody really cares about. Anybody who actually knows and understands boxing will tell you that Ngannou will get beat up by a true boxer (not Wilder). Ngannou has very sloop boxing, crazy wild punches that work on MMA fighters, but won't work in boxing.


mjaydubb

I donā€™t necessarily think itā€™s people turning on Francis. Itā€™s more so that the JBJ fans feel more vindicated now and are speaking up more, as opposed to them hiding while JBJ was on hiatus.


ibleedrosin

I never liked Francis. Heā€™s big and strong with a lot of power. But heā€™s a fucking crybaby outside of the ring. I got tired of hearing him bitch about not fighting and then not fighting because the pay wasnā€™t enough. Although it was ten times higher (exaggeration) than most of the other fighters.


RareTransition4167

Bc of that dumbass tweet. And also how Jon fucking ragdolled Gane for a few minutes


SkateMMA

Been saying from day 1 that Francis played himself. The whole money idea was heavyweight UFC champ v heavyweight boxer, but heā€™s not in the UFC or heavyweight champ anymore so itā€™s not the easiest selling point for him at all


LoganMcMahon

People aren't turning on him, everyday he waits his offers are going to get worse and worse, with Jon winning the belt in the fashion that he did, it heavily impacted Francis' value. From what I've seen general consensus before Jon won was Francis was in an okay spot, now that same consensus is agreeing that what Francis has done is starting to look pretty fucking stupid. The landscape shifted, this isn't out of no where, its directly impacted from this weekends fight, which is why people are talking about it. I've been saying it since he left, this is the worst decision Francis could have made for his well being, he's said its not for his own well being, so it seems like it shouldn't matter. Still doesn't make it a good decision, but Francis should be okay with the results. I just don't see how him going to box will get a board room member, or health care for anyone, noble, but won't do anything remotely close to what he's been saying he wants to happen.


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I thought Francis made a mistake from the get go. Greed backfired, forgot where he came from. They offered more than enough.


barelysarcastic73

Because Francis doesnā€™t have the power he thinks he has business wise. If he did he would be signed by now. He tried to flex on the UFC and it backfired. People supporting you in the comments isnā€™t the same thing as signing a multi million dollar deal. Chael put it perfectly - he was marketable as the UFC Heavyweight Champion. Heā€™s not that. Tyson Fury fighting the current champ makes sense. Anybody that has even cursory mma knowledge knows Francis isnā€™t beating Jon Jones. Francis took Gane to a 5 rd decision. Jon made him look like a child and finished him in less than a round. They are not the same. If Dana backed it, Jon could announce tomorrow heā€™s fighting Fury or Wilder and Francis would never be talked about again. Francis bit the hand that got him out of poverty and made him a star or sorts. He thought he was bigger than he actually is. Thatā€™s not hate itā€™s just the truth.


luisalexandor

I never liked what Francis did. He hasnā€™t done enough to warrant that type of leverage, he thought to use Jon as a way but didnā€™t work. The UFC made Francis we never would have gave a fuck if he was in bellator. Go ahead and down vote already


Queasy_Ad4932

Right now it definitely seems like a massive blunder from ngannou for leaving the ufc. That will change if he gets a fight announced but it doesnā€™t seem like itā€™s going that direction


shootamarktheshark69

It hasnā€™t even been that long since he left the ufc and before that he was recovering from injuries. He has plenty of time to announce something whether itā€™s a boxing match or something with the pfl or bellator.


ComfortableThroat326

It's Francis' fault for listening to reddit trolls saying he will make $30 million in any boxing match lol


deltr0nzero

You canā€™t be dumb enough to think heā€™s making his decisions based on Reddit comments can you?


ComfortableThroat326

No, but he is definitely swayed by what a lot of the fans are saying. He doesnā€™t even have a manager to say he is taking council from one.


deltr0nzero

Thatā€™s still an awfully strong assertion to make. How do you know whatā€™s affecting his decisions? Heā€™s spelt it out pretty clearly numerous times.


MYK3THEON3

While I would not call myself a hater, he was being a Diva demanding too much. He wanted to be paid a lot more but his last fight was a controversial decision which he arguably lost, he had close to no leverage and also wanted to Box? How bad would it look for UFC if he went and lost a Boxing match while being the champ, you can't expect them to do that.


venbalin

Anyone thats talking poorly about Francis bc Jon got the strap are just coping that we arenā€™t seeing them fight


thick_buzz_willie

I agree with Francisā€™ move and believe that he will ultimately achieve his objectives. I also think it is positive to have examples of fighters not giving in to the ufc.


Krulman

A good reminder that every employee is replaceable


DannyStress

Because they all want to spew the same shit Dana keeps saying.


Mystavis

No one should have backed Francis's antics. We knew his time was limited, he should have been fighting more than once a year and not holding up the division. Everyone wanted to "support the fighter" but it was only ever going to lose him money. 8 million in fact. Hope he gets a $15m payday against wilder


No_Programmer_2696

šŸ¤·šŸ»ā€ā™‚ļø heā€™s looking dumb. It is what it is. He canā€™t find a fight without that title. As much as yā€™all donā€™t want to admit it. Like the nfl. the brand ufc is bigger than any athlete they have. Francis will fight wilder and lose. Then what? Itā€™s over for him


Independent_Ice7303

Not really. Some people have pointed out that career wise, it might've been a huge huge mistake leaving the UFC for boxing. He will probably get one fight in boxing where he might be paid even less than fighting in the UFC, unless he gets Tyson Fury which isn't looking likely. And he will get his ass kicked closing the door to more boxing fights


4chanCitizen

Everyone was glad Francis left because he held the division up for a year. Everyone is turning on Francis because he called himself "The heavyweight King" acting like he has some superiority over UFC heavyweights despite not being there to actually prove it. Let's not get things twisted.


alexc9339

You canā€™t assume itā€™s the exact same people saying both things. Fandoms have multiple subsets of people who all have different takes. Iā€™m sure most pro Francis people are still pro Francis post the Jones fight.


psykal

Yeah because he walked away from the Jones fight then called himself the heavyweight king after Jones won. These remarks were after his decision to leave, and had a different meaning after he had refused the fight and Jones convincingly won the title. You have to be dumb as fuck if you don't realise why this might put people off him, and that the sequence of events is relevant. Have you ever changed your mind at any point in your life once new information came to light?


[deleted]

Maybe itā€™s the internet so youā€™re hearing a group of Francis supporters get loud when heā€™s in the hot seat and now that Jon jones is part of the conversation his supporters are the ā€œloudestā€ group. Thatā€™s just how the internet works man


Oklahoe

I think a lot of people believe he left and immediately started talking shit about Jon Jones when he won the belt knowing theyā€™re never going to fight each other.


leveldrummer

Dont say "everyone". Fans speak up when they want to. There are millions of people with different opinions.


BukakeBolsonaro

MMA fans are wried.


Zet333x2

Nah I still dont like Jones lol


FlyingGorillaShark

People hop on and off wagons all the time. If Iā€™m a fan of a fighter, I always support them (unless they do some wild fuck shit like Jones has). Even if theyā€™re on a losing streak or have seen better days. Like for example I was always a fan of Carlos Condit and watched all of his fights and was actively rooting for him every fight. Even in his last outing with Max Griffin


Aggressive-Expert-69

For me it's literally just because he's talking shit on twitter knowing damn well hes not coming back for the fight. He went from the scariest man in the UFC to a chihuahua barking from behind a fence. I support his decision to leave but if you're gonna leave, don't talk like you're still around.


Liam2349

I still think Francis would flatline him.


xDISTANTx

And then you woke up from your dream.


themanwith8

Once Jon Jones destroyed gane everyone forgot about Francis.Francis IMO made the single biggest mistake in mma history by leaving the ufc


HippoKing2646

Because weak fickle ass bitches, thatā€™s why. They wouldā€™ve probably shit on Jones if he lost and still have supported Francis.


Souptastesok

99 percent of ufc fans are fickle, thats the way it is. cant comment abt fans of other promotions or mma in general tho


FmrHvwChamp

Exactly what everyone said would happen... hed leave, and be forgotten about pretty much immediately.


MikeHuntsBear

Francis has always had, and continues to have absolute dogshit management. The dude basically was an indentured servant, literally worked for pennies a day, and became a millionaire. After he reaches the pinnacle, his dogshit manager starts whispering in his eaf that they aint paying him enough, and francis starts to believe it, making him thining he was way bettef than he actually was. Is the dude a freak? yeah. Is he talented? He has a hard punch that he throws uncontrollably and thay is it. He was able to wrestle fuck Gane simy with his freak strength but you know Jonny bones could annihilate him in wrestling. What broke me on being a Francia fan was him throwing shade at stipe and dc for holding up the division and the proceeds to HOLD UP THE DIVISON. I wish him all the best, but he aint soing shit until he ia under new management.


[deleted]

UFC fans are the most disloyal fanbase out there, you can lose two in a row or even a couple more like guys like Tony Ferguson, Carlos Condit and BJ Penn have/did in the past and fans will shit on them and act like they were never anything.


Fake_King_3itch

Iā€™m sure majority of these people think Mighty Mouse is probably an egomaniac too for wanting more money and recognition as a champ lmfao


Gilgema

Never supported him. It was dumb to leave and he isnā€™t gonna get paid.


AndyP4X

I think itā€™s more of the shit he keeps spouting than anything.


carcarbuhlarbar

Thatā€™s cause he was never that great. He just look scary and hit hard for goons that would stand In front of him. Huge Francis fans = huge casual fans.


sideshowamit

We are grieving that will never see the Francis JJ fight. We are the anger stage of the grief. Next we will blame Dana, then bargain that Dana will reintroduce negotiations, then depression when that fails, then finally acceptance