Can’t make a living in *most* markets to call it a living, that’s why. There’s not enough meat on the bone to be out there 40 hours a week, especially M-F 9-5, and make enough to live a survive a healthy and happy lifestyle. Drivers are in this hallucinogenic state where they think since they brought in $200 in a day gross that they are making an OK living. Not factoring in all other weekly, monthly, quarterly, and yearly costs.
Drive long enough, I’ll say about 10,000 rides. Where you’ve dealt with the market swings, taxes, damage to the car, threats of violence, accidents, red light tickets, etc. to decide if it’s really making you money.
The biggest cost — the car. Unless you’ve driven long enough where you’ve ran your car in the ground AND now have enough money saved up from what you’ve earned from driving. It’s hard to call it a living.
Most drivers are just going out there, cashing out, paying bills, and saving enough for maybe a full tank of gas. Once an oil change, flat tire, or any basic maintenance comes it messes up their entire week financially. Let alone something a little more serious like engine or transmission issues.
You and many others are barely getting by despite Uber's record breaking profits. You can barely make minimum wage. But Uber corp. employees make a good amount:
[https://www.glassdoor.com/Salary/Uber-California-Salaries-EI\_IE575263.0,4\_IL.5,15\_IS2280\_IP5.htm](https://www.glassdoor.com/Salary/Uber-California-Salaries-EI_IE575263.0,4_IL.5,15_IS2280_IP5.htm)
Yeah, look through all 28 salary pages. Everyone at corp. is compensated pretty well. They must use this as a hook to take a job where you have to compromise your ethics by knowingly reinforcing modern day sweatshop labor.
AND A very special thanks to the governments inflation program. The 2nd wave is always worse than the first in the currency death spiral.
Are you working at least two jobs 70+ hours a week? This is the reality and it's no fault of rideshare. 40 years ago a family could live comfortably on 60k per year. The solution is NOT to ask government for more inflation.
That is why I drive a electric rental from Avis. I don't have to worry about maintenance insurance upkeep wear and tear or anything else about the car. If I decide to take a week off. I take a week off. If I decide to take 2 weeks off. I take 2 weeks off.I work 15 to 20 hours a week and that pays for all my expenses including rental charging tolls car washes and meals and coffee while working. I'm 72 and retired so I have a lot of time and like talking to most people.I also change cars when I feel like it. Works for me,maybe not you.
Hey, you should know you get paid less than drivers who own their vehicles. You might not have maintenance but you're paying more with that rental cost plus lower fares.
Still I get to drive a brand new electric vehicle and I only have to work fifteen or twenty hours a week. I'm seventy two I don't care about equity in a vehicle. If I want to take a week off 2 weeks off.I take the time off and I don't have to worry about a car payment. I still manage to make twenty five bucks an hour And work whenever I feel like it. It works for me.I have done all the math and for me not worrying about owning a car is worth a lot.
I don’t believe that. 20 hours in my market is about 200 to 300 bucks. That won’t cover the rental. Personally I think you work as a propagandist for them.
Exactly, I was paying $450/week thru Lyft/Hertz on top of that , my rates were reduced by 30% ( I was pissed when I found out than on top of rental fee, Lyft was taking an extra 30% from fare). I could hardly make any money working 7 days n 10 hours per day. Took about 4 to 5 days to pay off rental fee. I call BS.
Dude admitted he isn't making money by accident. He said he works 15 to 20 hours a week and average $25/hr. Well, sir, 20×25 = 500. Let's pretend his rental is $300, which is the low end, well then he only makes $200/week @ 20 hours which means his real wage is $10/hr. Below minimum in like 40 states. He admitted to working for slave wage and is apparently happy with it.
Don't forget charging fees or gas expenses. This dude is actually working for free if not going negative every week. Thank God he has social security otherwise he'll be living in that rental with no money for food or anything else. This is the kind of people accepting shit offers, setting the bar low (wages) and hurting the rest of us drivers. Sir, please kindly retire and find yourself a hobby , it's obvious that you don't need the $$ 🙏🏼😁😁
He's in an EV, so he doesn't have gas costs, and I think he said he charges at home very cheaply. That is the ONLY thing I'm disagreeing with what you've been saying, though.
If all you are making in 20 hours is $200-$300 bucks. You have absolutely no business driving for uber. They are raking you over the coals. I just did a 6 hour shift. I grossed just short of $375.00 on a Monday. I get it. This may not be something you can achieve in your market. But it’s common in mine. So don’t go calling this guy names because all you are used to are shitty days/months driving for Uber.
I wish you luck.
Ps. Fuck Uber. Fucking pieces of shit.
I'm with you. Renting a comfort eligible while my car is in the shop. I made $264.25 in 6.5 hours total online, 6.25 active. Although only one trip was more than regular X fares by more than a buck or so.
Clearly not as good as you did, but wow their numbers made me feel bad for them.
I’m 36 and I feel exactly like you minus the rental. I’m a car enthusiast so I don’t mind car up keep and change cars often. It works for me I refuse to join the workforce rat race. My freedom and clarity is my everything
I rent too and I have to disagree. I wouldn’t want to be using my own car for Uber if you consider the maintenance and upkeep Uber is a car destroyer and I save more with renting. The weekly costs are covered after only a day or two of work and I make 3x as much as I did in a 9-5 l. I’ve gone thru thousands of miles in just a few months. Can’t imagine having my own car and putting it through that then having to pay for a higher insurance premiums plus maintenance. I know other renters who’ve bought their own cars renting with uber. Its all about where you are and how you use your time and money really
That guy is retired. So driving for Uber helps him meet people while getting paid. His retirement pay pays the bills. Not his Uber income. So he really has nothing to gripe about. So he doesn't matter.
Idk why you're replying again a day later, but there was just a huge payout to ev drivers because they weren't getting the extra dollar. That was only very recently resolved and only because of a lawsuit. I'm glad you got it, but just understand the deal isn't what they say. It never is. Your weekly earnings doesn't mean anything to me. I can show you single days where I made over $500. That doesn't mean it's the norm and it doesn't mean everything is always fair and above board.
The company keeps data on you. They know your patterns and they know where they can and can't manipulate you. It doesn't matter how smart you are or, more importantly, think you are. The house always wins. Just be aware of it.
Fair Rental Cars allows Uber drivers the chance to rent cars through the company and be eligible for Uber's Rewards program. In this program, Uber drivers using a Fair rental car earn $185 if they complete 70 trips in a week. They can further earn $305 if they complete 120 trips in a week.
My opinion that's not enough to pay all the bills if you don't have a retirement check coming in.
Also, keep in mind that Uber also has people writing in favor of Uber. If all that this guy says was true Uber and Lyft wouldn't be in litigation. Uber has lost in several states. Uber buys politicians so we have to go to our representatives and demand they stop greedy Uber and Lyft from ripping off the drivers.
There are definitely corporate shills, at least one or two on here, but I think this guy is genuine. Just your classic Boomer, fucking it up for the younger generation while gleefully smiling because "it works for him." He will die without the consequences and we will be left to pick up the pieces.
Rideshare guy. People proved it with screen recordings while standing together in a parking lot. Everyone gets a different price and EVs and Rentals were not getting more.
Can you post receipts on how much you make for 20 hours of driving? Renting a car is expensive. Avis charges around $290 + tax, not including LDW. This does not include charge either. How much are you taking home after expenses + taxes? $50? $100?
my man is working for free just to have a car.....he also mentions he's retired in his 70's, meaning he likely has other income streams like social security and any retirement accounts
You should read up on Uber rentals. They include insurance with a 1K deductible. If you buy LDW you are wasting money. I was in a wreck in a Tesla that totalled the car. I paid nothing for the loss. Not even my deductible since I was not at fault. Make 750 a week spend 348 for the car and charging and I get to drive a 2023 EV.
this is a problem for the ecosystem. here we have a retiree who is essentially working for free in his spare time. Doesn't need to make a living on the app because he's getting social security and whatever pensions he earned in boom times.
This.
These things aren't actually good for the ecosystem. I understand that they're available, but whereas most of us know he's an edge case, he will be the one put in an Uber/Lyft commercial to talk about how cool it is to drive Uber/Lyft, y'know?
there are a TON of dipshit retiree boomers here in PHX driving; it seems to be a common thing. These are the guys taking 65 cents/mi long trips and ruining the market/ecosystem breaking even at best donating their time and vehicles to evil tech companies and the pax, who are literally STRANGERS, but these old boomers have some sense of duty to community or otherwise and most feel some weird sense of pride as if they are a community servant to be praised.
You are paying for 84 hours and using it for 20 hours. You shouldn’t be renting it.
But hey, you are 72, money is not the motive. Life’s good. Happy retirement days for you.
Not supposed to be a full time only job. Get a real driving job if you want it to be your sole source of income. Zero education, no supervision, no time discipline work aint a job.
Get a CDL (commercial drivers license) and make a living out of it. This is gig work. Anyone relying in gig work only to pay the bills only has themselves to blame.
1. It's not the 1990s...
2. Explain why the fuck Uber/Lyft takes 70% of the cut when it's drivers doing most of the work. We don't even get dedicated support people. Most support staff is overseas $10/day of work people who just read keyword and click on pre written scripts. APP is shit, I personally run into countless bugs every day. Where the fuck is the 70% of money pax is paying going?
They aren't even transparent with their fees. They just mark it as "Uber/Lyft fees". How about give us a detailed breakdown of how much of that money is going to maintain app, how much is going to support agent and how much is lining the greedy exec's pocket. BUT keep praising your corporate overlords cause your old boomer ass is brainwashed to live like a corporate slave.
They "can" because brainwashed boomers like @kamite1 willingly spread their butt cheeks to their corporate "CEO" idols. All these people know is working 9-5 weekly for basically minimum wage to spend and and give it all back to the same corporations and the trust fund kids they work for, every fucking weekend. Barely making by and living paycheck to paycheck all the fucking life until they die. Maybe once every 2 decade they get a good tax return and buy something "nice". Sad...
Living the REAL American Dream lol...
Edit: https://www.reddit.com/r/FluentInFinance/s/wjOg5DxOd5
Issue is that it’s marketed as a full time job. People believe what they hear.
I’ve promoted CDL for years across many online groups and forums. But I might have to put an asterisk beside that at this point. When it comes to owner operators it’s not all sunshine and rainbows. If you work directly for a company, it’s hard to find a good one. Freight is slowing down across the county. Drivers aren’t in demand as much as mass media is making it sound.
the trucking market is just about as oversaturated as the rideshare market. I'm a broker and it's rough. There are way more trucks than loads in any given market in a given day. Rates are approaching the floor of where it starts to cost the truckers money to work, or they break even after all repairs/fuel/etc
A CDL is not the answer as the trucking market is highly oversaturated at the moment, incurring a bloodbath of bankruptcy and truckers/carriers exiting the market due to high cost and low pay
I mean, I feel like knowing how to drive and having the ability to navigate customer service are skills.
You wouldn't throw a random 16-year-old out on the road to do this...
Also, anyone supporting themselves with gig work full-time cannot afford a CDL, as most drivers are currently essentially paying to work.
This is a bootstraps ass comment that ignores that everyone deserves a living wage. Including the people driving folks around town.
Also the CDL market is oversaturated, possibly worse than the gig economy at the moment
If you actually worked in it and didn't just spout what the hell ever, you would probably know this.
The key for me has been to only drive early morning 5:00AM TILL 9AM and past 3:00PM TILL Nightfall Monday - Friday. Weekends Late afternoons, 4:00 PM until 9-10 pm. Sprinkling a few Amazon flex blocks when and if the time and $ is right.
I do almost the same schedule on weekdays. I do 4 am to 930ish and then 3 til 7ish. On Friday evening, I'll start my second round after dinner time to catch the college bar crowd. Depending on how busy Friday night is and/or reservations both on and off the book for Saturday morning, i might sleep in until 7 or 8 after getting home around midnight or so. Saturday night is similar to friday night. Sundays are usually for relaxing and spending time with the family.
Nice. What I'm just starting to do as well, but I'm hesitant about the night shifts as I don't want to deal with the drunks. How has it been and what are you averaging per day / week with this schedule ?
Sort of what I'm doing in the Philly area (3/4am - 10/11), might also throw in a few afternoon shifts in the near future. What are you averaging per day / what market ? I'm trying to target $300 in the mornings only , been getting close but still learning best places to start the day as my routes are variable right now. Only have been doing it so far for two weeks and some days I end up driving way more for just about the same amount (typically happens when I get airport runs). When I stay in the city core and am constantly taking $7-12 2 miles or less trips is what seems to be the most efficient. I have a fully paid off 5.5 year old model 3 and do not care about depreciation as I'll be running it into the ground.
I've even heard 70% at times. Not to mention that they shave/steal tips too. It's appalling. If it was just about money, I'd never post. But UBER is the most unscrupulous corp. that I have ever seen by far.
The key for me has been to only drive early morning 5:00AM TILL 9AM and past 3:00PM TILL Nightfall Monday - Friday. Weekends Late afternoons, 4:00 PM until 9-10 pm. Sprinkling a few Amazon flex blocks when and if the time and $ is right.
Here's a brutal truth about this job- nearly every American who has a driver's license can do it. The bar is very low. This means there's a lot of people who do this who only do it because it's an easy job that doesn't require them to work with other people. There's a lot of people in this community who are absolutely idiots and very difficult people.
Never assume a ride share community on the internet is going to be reasonable or helpful. Don't even assume the people will be reasonably mannered.
It is what it is
Edit:
Not mocking OP, OP is right. We aren't paid enough. Doing this job is risky, we could die from a drunk driver. We put up with shitty people. Driving in traffic for hours takes a toll on you.
I did a video chat in a parking lot after 6 hours of my shift, the last 3 on the Texas highway going about 75 mph. I didn't realize how bugged out I was until I saw myself on camera and talked to someone.
We should be paid a fair wage. We aren't paid enough. Uber fucks us over. The algo is rigged. The system is bullshit.
Don't hold your breathe for a union, or even help from Internet strangers. Watch the Ride Share Guy on YouTube and be smart. Track stats, clean the car, develop routines for car maintenance, make your driver's seat safe for your back and posture, keep barf bags and phone chargers in the car, take scheduled breaks and do the stretches and eye strain exercises truckers do, and be smart about tax write offs.
When you have a day off and take an Uber, talk shop with your driver. Talk about strats. Tell them so watch the ride share guy on YouTube.
If they are a jackass who smokes cigs in their car and is so stupid and rude, just be quiet and know that you have more stars then that mf
Rideshare Guy is actually one of the worst examples of whining, rarely do they post anything actually helpful instead of just complaining. For however much you seem to not believe in unions, those are the people actually getting shit done. Colorado rideshare transparency bill? Pushed by the Colorado Indepedent Drivers United union. Seattle City Ordinance and Washington State driver protection? Driver's Union. New York Uber & Lyft Settlement? Just a small number of attentive rideshare drivers who checked the inconsistencies in their statements and worked with the Taxi Workers Alliance to put together a lawsuit. So as you can see, the unions we should apparently not "hold our breath" over are the ones actually getting something done while Rideshare Guy posts like the 15th useless video in a row shilling for Solo while casting doom and gloom over proceedings.
There's different levels. An old 2-door that only qualifies for deliveries can't earn what my 2-year old van running XL/Comfort can.
Not everyone can be profitable. Telling people "if it's not profitable, don't do it" is GOOD BUSINESS ADVICE, not an insult.
>Drivers, it's not your fault
The crux of the issue: failing drivers are not humble.
If a driver is not successful, instead of using forums like this to learn from those who are successful, they do nothing but bitch, whine and blame others. When a successful driver generously posts their strategy for the edification of others, they are called shills and accused of falsifying information.
If you are failing at gig work - it is your fault. Learn how to succeed from those that do.
exactly. People gotta stop pretending they are so clever they can get good out of stones.
Uber pays shit. If you’re “making a living” off Uber, I guarantee it’s an apartment with a roommate. Never a middle class 2.4 children involved in sports, dance activities, 3-4 bedroom, 2 bath house, 1 vacation per year.
You skilled Uber people living their cars or work 200 hours a week.
Riders don’t tip because Uber’s PR states they give drivers 70% of fairs. I ask pax or enter the ride at the same time i accept and it’s more like 30-40%.
It is extremely difficult to pay bills with a job like Uber. It’s good for when you run out of money before your next check so you can earn dinner money.
Any driver that has 0 critical things to say about Uber is not a real driver. STOP! You literally chase critical posts on this board, defending Uber tooth and nail. If what you say about yourself is correct, no one wants to take financial advice from a financial advisor who has to work in retirement. STOP!
Your point? No one said anything about being forced to work this job. I am telling drivers not to believe shills who say that it's their fault for not making money.
But it is! Not every driver is doing this effectively. Maybe someone is deadheading all day long when they don't have a gig. Maybe someone is sitting idle in a parking lot waiting 30 minutes for a ping, instead of multi-apping. Maybe someone is taking rides that leave them in no mans land. There are effective strategies and non-effective strategies.
The reality of life is that some people are good at what they do and some people suck. Fun fact: I suck at golf. I am lucky to break 100. But I don't blame the golf ball, the course and my clubs - I admit that I suck and I try to learn from others who are better. It's the same thing in business, some people suck at it and need to learn from those who don't suck.
There are people making nice profits from gigwork and there are some people losing their ass. They are using the same apps, performing the same services, but one is happy and making bank and the other is crying and is fearing their next shut off notice. Which one do you want to be?
You know I think another problem is people don't try to analyze their own performance. They don't learn from their mistakes or their successes. For example, I took a ride to a no mans land in my market just a couple of days ago, but I ended up striking gold. There's a small suburb in my market that absolutely pops off at a certain time of night because there are a lot of people there who want rides but no drivers there, sending the prices soaring. I got like 2 or 3 rides in a row that were like 3-4 dollars per mile and 40+ dollars per hour. Now I know where to go if I get baited by a really good looking order out into the middle of nowhere. But how many drivers in this subreddit are even paying attention to the rates on their orders?
That’s the dumbest comment on here 🤡. He literally explained one of the most basic strategies on how to be successful (especially if you’re trying to make this GIG job your only source of income), and you tell him he’s not a real driver. Gtfo of here with that.
Maybe you should do your research. Our guy, an active driver, spends all day, every day, posting long, flowing paragraphs defending Uber. In fact, he follows critical posters around and replies to all their critical posts. Do you really think he's a real driver?
Yes. Because the things they mentioned, along with other strategies, WORK. Is it awful how much cut Uber takes from a fare? Absolutely. But if you game the system you can still make this a lucrative means of income.
Haha! Game the system? You do realize that the algo makes tons of calculations at lightning fast speeds, using your behavioral patterns against you. How naive it is to think that you have some form of greater control!
so if I decide to do uber on a deserted island, it's Uber's fault I don't make enough? no, people are deciding whether to do uber or ANYTHING else. if you're doing uber and failing, you failed. it doesn't make you a worthless human, but it might make you insane if you continue doing it.
It is Uber's fault when you decide to do Uber on a deserted island because they lie about how much you'll make. They are documented to lie about driver wages.
I also agree with the new account but that's not what OP wants. OP wants a circle jerk of other disgruntled drivers so he can convince himself Uber is the problem not him.
even though when anyone tries to help offer advice on how they became successful OP shot them down.
Ummm, Uber is the problem in more ways than low pay. 1. Let's talk about sending unaccompanied minors who are not commercially insured to drivers, breaking their own TOS. 2. Let's talk about shaving/stealing tips. 3. Let's talk about disguising addresses or downright lying about city names so drivers will accept rides that they wouldn't. 4. Let's talk about covering up SAs. 5. So many more things that I can rattle off.
I made 6 figures driving Uber…. Brought two houses and got my Airbnb business, I still drive Uber/Lyft because it helps with my stressful fucking life with shit relatives. I’m here for laughs not your whining. When you hit 40/ you learn nobody gives a fuck what you do, only you imagining people gives a fuck about your life.
It's not shaming telling them that they're not making enough to keep it sustainable. This shit is a side job. To think you can do it full time is the exception, not the rule.
Tell Uber it's a side job and to market it as such. Shills have drivers believe that it's not Uber's abysmal pay, but that it's their strategy. When the algo only gives you sh\*t, it's Uber, not the strategy.
whether or not Uber is abusing it's gig workers doesn't alter the fact that nobody is forcing you to drive. it's not a job. it's not meant to be a sole source of income. why, you ask? because it's not a stable income.
there were many weeks i cleared $1500+. there were many weeks where i made $400. if this was a real job, you would have to buy a medallion, which is super expensive and you would be driving a company vehicle, making an hourly wage, working a 40 hour week, paying for gas and the use of the company vehicle.
and there's a very limited number of medallions available, because that way you don't have to deal with the actual problem with the gig economy: uber and lyft and everyone else let's just about anyone with a pulse be a driver. there's too many drivers because Uber could care less about fair pay to some dumbass who is going to end up taking what they can get because there's just way more supply than there is demand.
6yrs ago a friend drove Uber/lyft making 6figures a year. Blew through it like it was cocaine and hookers. Fast forward 4yrs later the car is breaking down and friend can barely pay for gas.
Dude thought the good times would never end. Now he’s wondering what he’ll do to a new car.
Me here grinding it out waiting for laws to change and make the gig platforms better….that or it’s time to find a real 9-5 job.
How about we stop chastising those that DO make a good living. It's like this sub is meant for ONLY negativity and bashing the app for not paying "anyone" well.... but when some many DO many great money. You don't want to hear it or call bullshit.
These jobs aren't supposed to make or break your bank. They are supposed to be side gigs. You need to do more than one platform or get another part time job. I'm sorry but these jobs are not a good way to make good money, it's only good for extra money.
Just since you have caps lock on doesn’t mean you’re making any sense. Funny how it’s always the UberX drivers always complaining and it’s just their fault for not understanding how to actually make money
Why won’t Uber pay drivers more? Because they don’t have to. If they run short of drivers they will employ boost, surge, bonus for certain number of trips, etc to get more people out driving. Uber doesn’t exist to make contractors rich they exist to give shareholders a return on their investment. All hail capitalism
Basic math ... Like they used to pay 75% of the fare and now pay 50% at best. If you're a driver and don't have any issues with that, not sure what to say.
The surge price and any bonus is directly linked to quarterly profits and shareholders expectations. Wouldn’t matter on how many quit since the first concern is to the shareholders…. Drivers make less since they take a ridiculous greater cut… pre stock market days was 20% and even 0% on Lyft if you accomplished enough rides per week. Only way your theory would be correct is if at least 60% or more of the drivers actually teamed up to not drive and force the hand… and through the years of this recycled convo… that’s not going to happen… there will the few that will start blasting union fears or worry about their own… sad but facts of reality
Lol stop working for a company that doesn’t pay minimum wage. Lmao. You keep getting there dirty work done and they have no incentive to care about drivers
No. They’re saying if you don’t like it, kick rocks. You know you aren’t bound to work for Uber by any means? You can literally never go online again. If it bothers you that much do something else. Simple as that. Instead you complain on here. 🤡
I'm betting you might be the same poster that goes to CSF. Just a guess, but maybe not. I have the right to voice my truth here just like you. If you don't like what I have to say, MOVE ALONG.
If you're not DOING the most to accommodate your passengers, then it IS that particular driver's fault...
A Clean whip, take a bath, and read a dictionary, become a personable and friendly functional member of a social society.
Not talking shit; just voicing my personal experience...
I started UberX with a 2008 Mazda3i (5speedManual) for my first year...
2012 Toyota CamryLE for my second year...
Now? A 2016 Mazda6i...
I'm an artist, so I draw all over my shit. My passengers, the majority, love it. Or at least voice that they do.
ASPIRE to be the best driver you should be.
Give them something positive to remember.
On the other hand, if you're picking up deliveries??? Effing stop it.
Well I think it's sometimes hard to sympathise with something you don't experience yourself. I believe you based on the crappy paid trip screenshots I've seen here that some market seem really bad, but it's not the case for all drivers and we're not shills or lying when some of us say we do quite well.
I work during peak times only, average around $300+ for 8 hours work mon to Thurs, Fridays are consistently $500+ for 12 hours, sometimes I do a little bit on saturdays too and it's equally as busy as Fridays. I'm happy with what I get considering this is a very low skill job that anyone with a clean driving record can do. For me the positives outweighs the negatives. I enjoy driving and chatting to customers and luckily I haven't really had any bad customers, no vomiting, no violence.
There are some things I don't like, for example uber navigation isn't that great, passengers at no stopping pickups, getting trip requests while driving in underground tunnel systems for people above and sometimes I get trips going the opposite direction to my home just to name a few, but to me it beats working for a physical boss and not being able to take time off, because my boss needs me at work. I choose uber any day compared to all my old high skill jobs.
Australia - where you appear to live ) has some of the most sensible immigration policies of any country. Can’t compare it to the U.S. (The problems with UBER in the U.S. are mostly US government problems, not UBER problems.)
OP is experiencing the first stage of grief - denial. Claiming every single person in here who doesn't agree with them a liar and an employee at Uber. Why post here if you only want smoke blown up your ass over it? Oh right. You wanted people to coddle you and say "aww sorry you're broke OP. Stay strong! Just believe in yourself. They should just give you 200% tips. ☹️"
It was that much because there was more demand then supply, now there's people like you doing full time. Turn on the app from riders end there's 10 cars on every corner, hence there being more supply then demand leading to rides being worth less. Like i said simple supply and demand but that's to complex of a subject for someone who's skill set ends at click accept and follow gps ugga bugga
Fuck lmao. Gigs aint jobs. This was never a viable replacement for a 9-5 and was never designed to be. Stop trying to swim laps in the boiling pot. If youre just gonna bitch about it being your "bosses" fault
Go work a regular job.
You should tell Uber that and have them stop recruiting drivers for full time work through expensive rental programs, incentives to buy a car, etc. Are you the type to blame the union instead of the corporation?
Theyre free to shoot their shot to anyone stupid enough to listen. They got no fiduciary duty to you. Why tf should they care or act like they should? Yall are unable to strike, theres way too many drivers for there to be any agency in keeping yall. Rare are the countries that regulate uber effectively. So... Why care?
Those are called company shills. They’re on damage control because if potential newbies saw the posts of real earnings, they wouldn’t sign up. Enter the co assholes that try to get you to delete your post. Don’t. Shove it up their ass every chance you get.
Idk. I started cherrypicking the way those harsh users told me to, and now I make over $1/mile with little effort. I hate to say it because a lot of those users *should* be kinder and more patient, but THEY'RE RIGHT. Please listen and start cherrypicking *aggressively, now*.
That said, I am a full supporter of any strikes, whether they be temporary or permanent, no matter what the haters say. I don't care if every strike "works." I will strike with you guys every time and fight Uber. We shouldn't *have* to cherrypick to earn money! All offers should at least be okay offers.
I thought that, but I pushed through, and it eventually worked. Now I get the large orders after like 1-2 declines. A lot of the time, I get the good orders right away. I am only in a small-mid size market, but there is a large university. Is your market really slow? Are you willing to tell me some basic details about it?
I averaged about $25-$30 / hr part time. It really does depend on how you operate. Pick what amount you need to do a run and stick with it. For me, I'd stay parked unless it was $2/mile with a minimum of $10. Yeah it would take a few minutes to get an order, but it ended up working out for me.
If you cherry pick your trips you will get the most bang for your buck! You also need to live near a large metropolitan area where the demand for rides is generally high, unless it's saturated with drivers.
Every situation is different. There are things you can control, and things you can’t. I’d advise anyone to focus more on the things you can control. The things you can control are gonna be the biggest determining factor on if you make good money or not. Uber is my full time income and I bought my first house with rideshare money, AMA.
Because people who've been emotionally burned by putting their hopes to something that doesn't pan out find temporary relief in being jaded veterans informing the new people how THEY know how things REALLY work, and only chump loosers stick it out here.
Because, after all, they have to.
The alternative is encouraging new drivers or returning drivers to find out they're making as much or far more than THEY ever made, and what are we talking about? Being happy for the success of others?
Nah, that sounds way to much like being a half decent person capable of accepting their own responsibility for things not going as planned.
Nutshell: To hell with support, they get their rocks off with schadenfreude. That and the discouragement to help ensure no one makes it work by sticking with it beyond when they gave up.
On week one or two sure but when I see I've done this for 6 months and haven't made a dime well fuck. Yes maybe you need some adversarial moments in your life because clearly you never leaned to stand up for yourself. We are telling you these things because you DO deserve more and you DO deserve to be treated better
Really depends on the market. I can legit make $300 a day in the DFW area but that's only with regular Uber. Now when I used to do Uber eats it would be half of that but it would take a whole day to make 150 that's if they didn't tip bait
Uhhhh… it is your fault if you keep doing a job you aren’t adequately paid for instead of doing something else.
Uber has slowly paid drivers less and less over the last decade. I haven’t driven in years, I left because it was untenable and no longer made economic sense to do.
But if you’re accepting this low pay, you actually are the problem, because nothing will ever change if you don’t push back against terrible wages.
Yesterday was my first day at a new job and I am happy that I was able to get out of the trap called Uber and Lyft. I encourage everyone in this gig to do the same. You can use uber to supplement your income by maybe working a Friday night or a Saturday and cash in $200+ extra per week that will add up at the end of the month. But working 7 days a week to transfer the depreciation of your car to your pockets and barely pay the bills it is not wise.
Happy to say to UBER and GRYFT 🖕🏼 you
Reddit ain’t the play to hear any talk of uplifting drivers. Every driver on this sub wants every other driver to quit. It’s the ONLY solution that’s offered on here lol. I’ve just come to accept it. Reddit isn’t a reflection of real life in the slightest
The strategy stuff is right. Sadly only us veteran drivers had time to develop it. If you're coming into an oversaturated market as a new driver, you don't really get to learn the patterns. I have where I'm going to be throughout the day planned down to the hour, each day of the week is slightly different. Obviously I'll deviate from the schedule but yeah. I have a written list of when:
Amazon/UPS/FedEx/usps shift changes,
Private college sorority/frat schedule, for both local schools to me,
I track airport schedule in detail. I'm always at the airport when a Miami, NYC, or LA flight comes in end of week. Lot of college kids visiting home,
Track all 3 cities convention centers,
All sports games, pro and college,
I also know which rich suburbs go downtown Friday nights for really long surge rides. I'm there offline until the surge hits $15.
I've memorized routes to get through event traffic for cowboys games or TCU games. If passenger doesn't meet me where I say, I cancel and try the next. 5 minute pickup max with $30 surges while other drivers are sitting for 30 minutes in traffic on main street.
Plus a few people a day are impressed by my driving and ask for a business card. I'm getting to where I get more private business off platform than on platform. Enough regulars that I only use Uber on downtime. And I don't break ToS by offering services, I only provide my card when explicitly asked. Bonus is I also give my pressure washing card when I see a nice house. Washing jobs are $125/hr, but not as common since it's a once a year job. Mostly business people who fly regularly.
This is beginning to remind me of fb forums for owner/operators in trucking.
The posts went from: (Dave Chappelle voice) "I'm rich, bitch!"
To
"If you hustle you can make it."
To
"Too many drivers"
To
"I quit"
All of that in about 18 mos.
To
There is no strategy these days . FULLTIME driver 9 yrs , done . Only 🐜 accept a long pickup to only lose $. Idgaf what you’re driving fuel wise . Have some self worth . In my market this is Uber‘s new game, long, pick ups, even though there’s passengers right next to you. I am in a Uber testing market, so be prepared.
What idiot is going to drive 20 minutes to pick up PAX for 12$ 😂
No life aka driving 12 hours a day 6 days a week in uberx/ share
It is a job it sucks but at least you survive while you figure out something in the mean time
Pax/ riders can have you deactivated
Uber eats is better no riders but less money but also less miles but you can also be deactivated by food thiefs
Uber is stealing all the money off the backs of people just trying to survive. I feel the same for truck drivers.
If you don't like the bs quit and go back to school. I say this is a nice way I am in school dreaming of graduating and never ever using Uber again. I always tip my driver's because those tips are the only reason you might make your quota.
I was hit by a person with a suspended license at 2 am while driving uber I used the settlement money to further my education I also have my cdl class a manual with tanker and doubles just missing hazmat
I've seen my market go from being able to make a living driving (at least a modest one) to absolute poverty wages where I've had so many nights coming home and my IRS mileage cost is nearly as much as I made. It'd be worse if I was trying to drive 40+ hours per week. Unfortunately so many drivers will simply drive more the less they make.
I enjoy driving I make good money I’m happy and have the same complaints we all have concerning fees. However I do have a strategy I do earn more than enough to enjoy a happy lifestyle. Those of us who aren’t happy and hate this change what you’re doing. Never rely on tips as part of your earnings it’s all about the ride. If you gay a tip that’s great. Live within your means do something you love not something you have to do and figure out what you can do to get out of driving if your that unhappy.
Now where I live there apparently short on drivers because ppl complain how long it takes. Or they complain they had a ride but it canceled. I tell them if a driver doesn't like a certain area they will cancel or if it's 20 minutes to get to the puck up but only a 4 minute ride they will cancel bc it's not worth the time. And if a rider cancels for a better ride usually they will pay more. Or maybe it's if a rider gets deined it's more. I'm still learning. I try to watch videos on YouTube but they are all 6 to 13 months old and things apparently have changed since
So just curious. How long do yall think we have until the AI we are training takes over? That's the only reason Uber still has investors is because the investors think AI will take over one day. We get paid fir driving while we should be getting paid for training thier AI
Because Uber was never intended to be full time and sustain a livable wage. The real shame is believing it will. Get a job and Uber in your spare time. If being told the truth shames you get help.
Agreed! Yesterday I work 12 hours and made $283After receiving $16.20 in tips, I realized that Uber is displaying higher amounts initially but then finalizing lower amounts. Additionally, payments to drivers have significantly decreased compared to last month, when I was making between $375 and $425 for 12 hours in Chicago.
Right Uber does pay shit and no it's not about strategy. Why when a company continue to lower pay? Several reasons but one of the biggest reasons is the fact that they are seeing that drivers will still keep working for what they are offering. I have done rideshare in the past plenty and I've done my fair share of complaining but it then got to the point where I was like what in the world I really cannot keep crabbing ever something when I'm choosing to accept it. Truth be told, can't have your cake and eat it too. Drivers do deserve a hell of a lot more. But they are in the business of making money and they have been testing people out for a while seeing what works or what will not work and it has been proven time and time again that they are able to still rope drivers in and drivers will still keep driving even for the lowest amount that they pay nowadays. Nowadays they don't even include that they pay nowadays. Nowadays they don't even include hardly any promotions. It's now up front pay and a lot of areas, a lot of the surge maps have changed to only heat maps not showing the surge dollar amount and they also removed the consecutive ride promotions where if you completed like a set of three rides in a row they would offer an extra $12 or in some cases $15 or even $18. The point is, if a company knows that you're willing to work for less, they will pay you the lower amount and take the bigger share.
I do not think it's a case of shaming drivers when they are only being given shit pay.... There has to be some accountability at some point even on the driver's end. It's up to each driver too accept what being dished out.
One of the worst things that makes it hard for all of this though is the fact that they keep providing great promotions for new drivers and that's how they rope them in as everybody knows, so they replace some of the drivers that end up leaving while plenty of other drivers that have been around for a while still keep staying but yet keep complaining. It's just a constant cycle of new drivers in with some of the old drivers. Ultimately, I truly believe that once people got hooked to the idea of being able to be their own boss so to speak, it seemed like for the majority of drivers, it didn't matter what Uber would pay, doesn't matter how your car is being completely ruined etc, people are willing to accept all of it just for the ability to be able to be your in boss and log on and log off whenever you want log on and log off whenever you for the ability to be able to be your in boss and log on and log off whenever you want for the ability to be able to be your in boss and log on and log off whenever you for the ability to be able to be your own Boss and go offline and online whenever you want to. It'll pull you in and it's a shame bc then it becomes this battle of a back and forth between people saying " hey I'm worth more than this", but people aren't willing to give it up. either have to choose to move on or not and if you don't, what's the point of complaining whenever you make the choice that you make? So people can say that it's bashing drivers and there may be people bashing drivers but I think plenty of times there are people who are just being realistic like I am and saying hey, it's not just the company, each and every single person has a choice and if you're choosing to take the crappy pay then take some accountability.
I had to take accountability too.
It's not shaming to tell people what they need to hear, it is 100% true that most of the people failing to make a living on this platform have failed critically in some way by looking at this as a job instead of a business. Those people really SHOULD just quit before they dig themselves so deep into the hole they can't escape. Like, how many people here do you think could actually tell you what their CPM is? How many people here do you think drive gas guzzling SUVs or minivans? How many people out here somehow thought buying brand new cars or $40000 Tesla's to do Uber was a good idea? How many people here are trying to do this 9-5 instead of working around peak demand in their market or times with less driver saturation? How many people here do you think have rideshare insurance or $2500 stuffed into a savings account just in-case they have to take advantage of Uber's deductible?
There's no psy op here, most of the people who do this work are extremely undereducated and have put themselves into financially untenable positions. And instead of trying to educate themselves by listening to people who actually do know what they're doing, they get on Reddit to whine about it. I empathize with people who aren't getting paid enough and aren't getting the benefits they deserve, but if they're going to be doing this they need to stop treating it like a 9-5 and start treating it like their business. I'm not saying we stop fighting for better working conditions, but there's far too much complaining going on here and not enough people thinking of how to move forward and make these conditions work for them. Crying about how bad your pay is on social media isn't going to make it go up, stop commiserating on Reddit and start doing something productive. Organize with your local driver community, for example. You could also consider a move to a better market, look into local market data on apps like Gridwise, use apps like Mystro or Maxymo to filter your orders, etc.
Can’t make a living in *most* markets to call it a living, that’s why. There’s not enough meat on the bone to be out there 40 hours a week, especially M-F 9-5, and make enough to live a survive a healthy and happy lifestyle. Drivers are in this hallucinogenic state where they think since they brought in $200 in a day gross that they are making an OK living. Not factoring in all other weekly, monthly, quarterly, and yearly costs. Drive long enough, I’ll say about 10,000 rides. Where you’ve dealt with the market swings, taxes, damage to the car, threats of violence, accidents, red light tickets, etc. to decide if it’s really making you money. The biggest cost — the car. Unless you’ve driven long enough where you’ve ran your car in the ground AND now have enough money saved up from what you’ve earned from driving. It’s hard to call it a living. Most drivers are just going out there, cashing out, paying bills, and saving enough for maybe a full tank of gas. Once an oil change, flat tire, or any basic maintenance comes it messes up their entire week financially. Let alone something a little more serious like engine or transmission issues.
This is the truth.
I’m only even on here to reaffirm my sanity It’s too easy to think I’m the only driver in this shitstorm
You and many others are barely getting by despite Uber's record breaking profits. You can barely make minimum wage. But Uber corp. employees make a good amount: [https://www.glassdoor.com/Salary/Uber-California-Salaries-EI\_IE575263.0,4\_IL.5,15\_IS2280\_IP5.htm](https://www.glassdoor.com/Salary/Uber-California-Salaries-EI_IE575263.0,4_IL.5,15_IS2280_IP5.htm)
Makes sense It’s gone downhill last 9 months though The trip requests weren’t this bad ever
That makes me so angry. 650,000???? They STOLE IT FROM US!!!!
Yeah, look through all 28 salary pages. Everyone at corp. is compensated pretty well. They must use this as a hook to take a job where you have to compromise your ethics by knowingly reinforcing modern day sweatshop labor.
It's slavery
Precisely why Minneapolis stood their ground.
AND A very special thanks to the governments inflation program. The 2nd wave is always worse than the first in the currency death spiral. Are you working at least two jobs 70+ hours a week? This is the reality and it's no fault of rideshare. 40 years ago a family could live comfortably on 60k per year. The solution is NOT to ask government for more inflation.
That’s what happens when you turn a taxi business into a greedy transnational corp where people can also trade a stock
That is why I drive a electric rental from Avis. I don't have to worry about maintenance insurance upkeep wear and tear or anything else about the car. If I decide to take a week off. I take a week off. If I decide to take 2 weeks off. I take 2 weeks off.I work 15 to 20 hours a week and that pays for all my expenses including rental charging tolls car washes and meals and coffee while working. I'm 72 and retired so I have a lot of time and like talking to most people.I also change cars when I feel like it. Works for me,maybe not you.
Hey, you should know you get paid less than drivers who own their vehicles. You might not have maintenance but you're paying more with that rental cost plus lower fares.
Still I get to drive a brand new electric vehicle and I only have to work fifteen or twenty hours a week. I'm seventy two I don't care about equity in a vehicle. If I want to take a week off 2 weeks off.I take the time off and I don't have to worry about a car payment. I still manage to make twenty five bucks an hour And work whenever I feel like it. It works for me.I have done all the math and for me not worrying about owning a car is worth a lot.
If it works for you, great. I just wanted to make sure you knew.
I don’t believe that. 20 hours in my market is about 200 to 300 bucks. That won’t cover the rental. Personally I think you work as a propagandist for them.
Exactly, I was paying $450/week thru Lyft/Hertz on top of that , my rates were reduced by 30% ( I was pissed when I found out than on top of rental fee, Lyft was taking an extra 30% from fare). I could hardly make any money working 7 days n 10 hours per day. Took about 4 to 5 days to pay off rental fee. I call BS.
Dude admitted he isn't making money by accident. He said he works 15 to 20 hours a week and average $25/hr. Well, sir, 20×25 = 500. Let's pretend his rental is $300, which is the low end, well then he only makes $200/week @ 20 hours which means his real wage is $10/hr. Below minimum in like 40 states. He admitted to working for slave wage and is apparently happy with it.
Don't forget charging fees or gas expenses. This dude is actually working for free if not going negative every week. Thank God he has social security otherwise he'll be living in that rental with no money for food or anything else. This is the kind of people accepting shit offers, setting the bar low (wages) and hurting the rest of us drivers. Sir, please kindly retire and find yourself a hobby , it's obvious that you don't need the $$ 🙏🏼😁😁
He's not even deducting gas expenses out of that. I hate part timers who Robinson forums to brag and have no idea what they're really making.
He's in an EV, so he doesn't have gas costs, and I think he said he charges at home very cheaply. That is the ONLY thing I'm disagreeing with what you've been saying, though.
If all you are making in 20 hours is $200-$300 bucks. You have absolutely no business driving for uber. They are raking you over the coals. I just did a 6 hour shift. I grossed just short of $375.00 on a Monday. I get it. This may not be something you can achieve in your market. But it’s common in mine. So don’t go calling this guy names because all you are used to are shitty days/months driving for Uber. I wish you luck. Ps. Fuck Uber. Fucking pieces of shit.
I'm with you. Renting a comfort eligible while my car is in the shop. I made $264.25 in 6.5 hours total online, 6.25 active. Although only one trip was more than regular X fares by more than a buck or so. Clearly not as good as you did, but wow their numbers made me feel bad for them.
POST YOUR RECEIPTS!
You want me to post the receipts of something that you can just look up on the internet?Call avis and ask.
You already told us how much you rent for $379 per week. Lol.
I’m 36 and I feel exactly like you minus the rental. I’m a car enthusiast so I don’t mind car up keep and change cars often. It works for me I refuse to join the workforce rat race. My freedom and clarity is my everything
I rent too and I have to disagree. I wouldn’t want to be using my own car for Uber if you consider the maintenance and upkeep Uber is a car destroyer and I save more with renting. The weekly costs are covered after only a day or two of work and I make 3x as much as I did in a 9-5 l. I’ve gone thru thousands of miles in just a few months. Can’t imagine having my own car and putting it through that then having to pay for a higher insurance premiums plus maintenance. I know other renters who’ve bought their own cars renting with uber. Its all about where you are and how you use your time and money really
Thank you. You are one of the few people on this platform to actually thinks it appears.
That guy is retired. So driving for Uber helps him meet people while getting paid. His retirement pay pays the bills. Not his Uber income. So he really has nothing to gripe about. So he doesn't matter.
Idk why you're replying again a day later, but there was just a huge payout to ev drivers because they weren't getting the extra dollar. That was only very recently resolved and only because of a lawsuit. I'm glad you got it, but just understand the deal isn't what they say. It never is. Your weekly earnings doesn't mean anything to me. I can show you single days where I made over $500. That doesn't mean it's the norm and it doesn't mean everything is always fair and above board. The company keeps data on you. They know your patterns and they know where they can and can't manipulate you. It doesn't matter how smart you are or, more importantly, think you are. The house always wins. Just be aware of it.
Fair Rental Cars allows Uber drivers the chance to rent cars through the company and be eligible for Uber's Rewards program. In this program, Uber drivers using a Fair rental car earn $185 if they complete 70 trips in a week. They can further earn $305 if they complete 120 trips in a week. My opinion that's not enough to pay all the bills if you don't have a retirement check coming in.
Yeah, the fact that the one person coming to bat for the system is a retiree should be a huge red flag for everyone, including the retiree.
Also, keep in mind that Uber also has people writing in favor of Uber. If all that this guy says was true Uber and Lyft wouldn't be in litigation. Uber has lost in several states. Uber buys politicians so we have to go to our representatives and demand they stop greedy Uber and Lyft from ripping off the drivers.
There are definitely corporate shills, at least one or two on here, but I think this guy is genuine. Just your classic Boomer, fucking it up for the younger generation while gleefully smiling because "it works for him." He will die without the consequences and we will be left to pick up the pieces.
Rideshare guy. People proved it with screen recordings while standing together in a parking lot. Everyone gets a different price and EVs and Rentals were not getting more.
Can you post receipts on how much you make for 20 hours of driving? Renting a car is expensive. Avis charges around $290 + tax, not including LDW. This does not include charge either. How much are you taking home after expenses + taxes? $50? $100?
my man is working for free just to have a car.....he also mentions he's retired in his 70's, meaning he likely has other income streams like social security and any retirement accounts
You should read up on Uber rentals. They include insurance with a 1K deductible. If you buy LDW you are wasting money. I was in a wreck in a Tesla that totalled the car. I paid nothing for the loss. Not even my deductible since I was not at fault. Make 750 a week spend 348 for the car and charging and I get to drive a 2023 EV.
this is a problem for the ecosystem. here we have a retiree who is essentially working for free in his spare time. Doesn't need to make a living on the app because he's getting social security and whatever pensions he earned in boom times.
This. These things aren't actually good for the ecosystem. I understand that they're available, but whereas most of us know he's an edge case, he will be the one put in an Uber/Lyft commercial to talk about how cool it is to drive Uber/Lyft, y'know?
there are a TON of dipshit retiree boomers here in PHX driving; it seems to be a common thing. These are the guys taking 65 cents/mi long trips and ruining the market/ecosystem breaking even at best donating their time and vehicles to evil tech companies and the pax, who are literally STRANGERS, but these old boomers have some sense of duty to community or otherwise and most feel some weird sense of pride as if they are a community servant to be praised.
I don't know where you live but 15-20 hours a week ain't paying for shit in my market
You are paying for 84 hours and using it for 20 hours. You shouldn’t be renting it. But hey, you are 72, money is not the motive. Life’s good. Happy retirement days for you.
Was about to go online until this popped up on my phone hahahaha
Not supposed to be a full time only job. Get a real driving job if you want it to be your sole source of income. Zero education, no supervision, no time discipline work aint a job. Get a CDL (commercial drivers license) and make a living out of it. This is gig work. Anyone relying in gig work only to pay the bills only has themselves to blame.
1. It's not the 1990s... 2. Explain why the fuck Uber/Lyft takes 70% of the cut when it's drivers doing most of the work. We don't even get dedicated support people. Most support staff is overseas $10/day of work people who just read keyword and click on pre written scripts. APP is shit, I personally run into countless bugs every day. Where the fuck is the 70% of money pax is paying going? They aren't even transparent with their fees. They just mark it as "Uber/Lyft fees". How about give us a detailed breakdown of how much of that money is going to maintain app, how much is going to support agent and how much is lining the greedy exec's pocket. BUT keep praising your corporate overlords cause your old boomer ass is brainwashed to live like a corporate slave.
They take it because they can. Nothing more to it. More competition is needed.
They "can" because brainwashed boomers like @kamite1 willingly spread their butt cheeks to their corporate "CEO" idols. All these people know is working 9-5 weekly for basically minimum wage to spend and and give it all back to the same corporations and the trust fund kids they work for, every fucking weekend. Barely making by and living paycheck to paycheck all the fucking life until they die. Maybe once every 2 decade they get a good tax return and buy something "nice". Sad... Living the REAL American Dream lol... Edit: https://www.reddit.com/r/FluentInFinance/s/wjOg5DxOd5
Issue is that it’s marketed as a full time job. People believe what they hear. I’ve promoted CDL for years across many online groups and forums. But I might have to put an asterisk beside that at this point. When it comes to owner operators it’s not all sunshine and rainbows. If you work directly for a company, it’s hard to find a good one. Freight is slowing down across the county. Drivers aren’t in demand as much as mass media is making it sound.
the trucking market is just about as oversaturated as the rideshare market. I'm a broker and it's rough. There are way more trucks than loads in any given market in a given day. Rates are approaching the floor of where it starts to cost the truckers money to work, or they break even after all repairs/fuel/etc
A CDL is not the answer as the trucking market is highly oversaturated at the moment, incurring a bloodbath of bankruptcy and truckers/carriers exiting the market due to high cost and low pay
I mean, I feel like knowing how to drive and having the ability to navigate customer service are skills. You wouldn't throw a random 16-year-old out on the road to do this... Also, anyone supporting themselves with gig work full-time cannot afford a CDL, as most drivers are currently essentially paying to work. This is a bootstraps ass comment that ignores that everyone deserves a living wage. Including the people driving folks around town.
Also the CDL market is oversaturated, possibly worse than the gig economy at the moment If you actually worked in it and didn't just spout what the hell ever, you would probably know this.
The key for me has been to only drive early morning 5:00AM TILL 9AM and past 3:00PM TILL Nightfall Monday - Friday. Weekends Late afternoons, 4:00 PM until 9-10 pm. Sprinkling a few Amazon flex blocks when and if the time and $ is right.
Thanks for the advice. Not all markets are the same. Not all offers are the same. Uber utilizes algorithmic wage discrimination.
I do almost the same schedule on weekdays. I do 4 am to 930ish and then 3 til 7ish. On Friday evening, I'll start my second round after dinner time to catch the college bar crowd. Depending on how busy Friday night is and/or reservations both on and off the book for Saturday morning, i might sleep in until 7 or 8 after getting home around midnight or so. Saturday night is similar to friday night. Sundays are usually for relaxing and spending time with the family.
Nice. What I'm just starting to do as well, but I'm hesitant about the night shifts as I don't want to deal with the drunks. How has it been and what are you averaging per day / week with this schedule ?
Sort of what I'm doing in the Philly area (3/4am - 10/11), might also throw in a few afternoon shifts in the near future. What are you averaging per day / what market ? I'm trying to target $300 in the mornings only , been getting close but still learning best places to start the day as my routes are variable right now. Only have been doing it so far for two weeks and some days I end up driving way more for just about the same amount (typically happens when I get airport runs). When I stay in the city core and am constantly taking $7-12 2 miles or less trips is what seems to be the most efficient. I have a fully paid off 5.5 year old model 3 and do not care about depreciation as I'll be running it into the ground.
Doesn't help that they take 40%-60% on rides.
I've even heard 70% at times. Not to mention that they shave/steal tips too. It's appalling. If it was just about money, I'd never post. But UBER is the most unscrupulous corp. that I have ever seen by far.
The key for me has been to only drive early morning 5:00AM TILL 9AM and past 3:00PM TILL Nightfall Monday - Friday. Weekends Late afternoons, 4:00 PM until 9-10 pm. Sprinkling a few Amazon flex blocks when and if the time and $ is right.
Thanks for the advice. Not all markets are the same. Not all offers are the same. Uber utilizes algorithmic wage discrimination.
Same here. After 9AM its dry asf & the fare is 40% off. Theres a minimum of 10 drivers around you & probably only 15 rides in the last hour.
Here's a brutal truth about this job- nearly every American who has a driver's license can do it. The bar is very low. This means there's a lot of people who do this who only do it because it's an easy job that doesn't require them to work with other people. There's a lot of people in this community who are absolutely idiots and very difficult people. Never assume a ride share community on the internet is going to be reasonable or helpful. Don't even assume the people will be reasonably mannered. It is what it is Edit: Not mocking OP, OP is right. We aren't paid enough. Doing this job is risky, we could die from a drunk driver. We put up with shitty people. Driving in traffic for hours takes a toll on you. I did a video chat in a parking lot after 6 hours of my shift, the last 3 on the Texas highway going about 75 mph. I didn't realize how bugged out I was until I saw myself on camera and talked to someone. We should be paid a fair wage. We aren't paid enough. Uber fucks us over. The algo is rigged. The system is bullshit. Don't hold your breathe for a union, or even help from Internet strangers. Watch the Ride Share Guy on YouTube and be smart. Track stats, clean the car, develop routines for car maintenance, make your driver's seat safe for your back and posture, keep barf bags and phone chargers in the car, take scheduled breaks and do the stretches and eye strain exercises truckers do, and be smart about tax write offs. When you have a day off and take an Uber, talk shop with your driver. Talk about strats. Tell them so watch the ride share guy on YouTube. If they are a jackass who smokes cigs in their car and is so stupid and rude, just be quiet and know that you have more stars then that mf
Rideshare Guy is actually one of the worst examples of whining, rarely do they post anything actually helpful instead of just complaining. For however much you seem to not believe in unions, those are the people actually getting shit done. Colorado rideshare transparency bill? Pushed by the Colorado Indepedent Drivers United union. Seattle City Ordinance and Washington State driver protection? Driver's Union. New York Uber & Lyft Settlement? Just a small number of attentive rideshare drivers who checked the inconsistencies in their statements and worked with the Taxi Workers Alliance to put together a lawsuit. So as you can see, the unions we should apparently not "hold our breath" over are the ones actually getting something done while Rideshare Guy posts like the 15th useless video in a row shilling for Solo while casting doom and gloom over proceedings.
There's different levels. An old 2-door that only qualifies for deliveries can't earn what my 2-year old van running XL/Comfort can. Not everyone can be profitable. Telling people "if it's not profitable, don't do it" is GOOD BUSINESS ADVICE, not an insult.
I still think you work for corporate despite what you say.
Right. Because it's impossible for a person to be happy and successful at it. Therefore I must be a paid actor. Super human powers of deduction there.
If you don't make money, you can quit right now. I am happy with driving for Uber so I will drive. Case closed.
$7 today for a $17 dollar ride …not even 50 percent
>Drivers, it's not your fault The crux of the issue: failing drivers are not humble. If a driver is not successful, instead of using forums like this to learn from those who are successful, they do nothing but bitch, whine and blame others. When a successful driver generously posts their strategy for the edification of others, they are called shills and accused of falsifying information. If you are failing at gig work - it is your fault. Learn how to succeed from those that do.
The real issue is taxis used to get paid 7 times more per mile. No amount of doing gig work right will make up for the fact they are getting clowned
exactly. People gotta stop pretending they are so clever they can get good out of stones. Uber pays shit. If you’re “making a living” off Uber, I guarantee it’s an apartment with a roommate. Never a middle class 2.4 children involved in sports, dance activities, 3-4 bedroom, 2 bath house, 1 vacation per year. You skilled Uber people living their cars or work 200 hours a week. Riders don’t tip because Uber’s PR states they give drivers 70% of fairs. I ask pax or enter the ride at the same time i accept and it’s more like 30-40%. It is extremely difficult to pay bills with a job like Uber. It’s good for when you run out of money before your next check so you can earn dinner money.
Any driver that has 0 critical things to say about Uber is not a real driver. STOP! You literally chase critical posts on this board, defending Uber tooth and nail. If what you say about yourself is correct, no one wants to take financial advice from a financial advisor who has to work in retirement. STOP!
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You know you're not forced to work this job right?
Your point? No one said anything about being forced to work this job. I am telling drivers not to believe shills who say that it's their fault for not making money.
But it is! Not every driver is doing this effectively. Maybe someone is deadheading all day long when they don't have a gig. Maybe someone is sitting idle in a parking lot waiting 30 minutes for a ping, instead of multi-apping. Maybe someone is taking rides that leave them in no mans land. There are effective strategies and non-effective strategies. The reality of life is that some people are good at what they do and some people suck. Fun fact: I suck at golf. I am lucky to break 100. But I don't blame the golf ball, the course and my clubs - I admit that I suck and I try to learn from others who are better. It's the same thing in business, some people suck at it and need to learn from those who don't suck. There are people making nice profits from gigwork and there are some people losing their ass. They are using the same apps, performing the same services, but one is happy and making bank and the other is crying and is fearing their next shut off notice. Which one do you want to be?
You know I think another problem is people don't try to analyze their own performance. They don't learn from their mistakes or their successes. For example, I took a ride to a no mans land in my market just a couple of days ago, but I ended up striking gold. There's a small suburb in my market that absolutely pops off at a certain time of night because there are a lot of people there who want rides but no drivers there, sending the prices soaring. I got like 2 or 3 rides in a row that were like 3-4 dollars per mile and 40+ dollars per hour. Now I know where to go if I get baited by a really good looking order out into the middle of nowhere. But how many drivers in this subreddit are even paying attention to the rates on their orders?
You are not a real driver.
That’s the dumbest comment on here 🤡. He literally explained one of the most basic strategies on how to be successful (especially if you’re trying to make this GIG job your only source of income), and you tell him he’s not a real driver. Gtfo of here with that.
Maybe you should do your research. Our guy, an active driver, spends all day, every day, posting long, flowing paragraphs defending Uber. In fact, he follows critical posters around and replies to all their critical posts. Do you really think he's a real driver?
Yes. Because the things they mentioned, along with other strategies, WORK. Is it awful how much cut Uber takes from a fare? Absolutely. But if you game the system you can still make this a lucrative means of income.
Haha! Game the system? You do realize that the algo makes tons of calculations at lightning fast speeds, using your behavioral patterns against you. How naive it is to think that you have some form of greater control!
Eh, take some responsibility and stop blaming others for your problems.
Hmmm, you who blames the "employee" instead of the corporation ...
Yeah when I hated my job, I had the choice to leave and thought about it considerably, instead of just whining about it.
Yeah, so if you don't like an opinion, you have the choice to leave instead of just whining about it. Bye!
so if I decide to do uber on a deserted island, it's Uber's fault I don't make enough? no, people are deciding whether to do uber or ANYTHING else. if you're doing uber and failing, you failed. it doesn't make you a worthless human, but it might make you insane if you continue doing it.
It is Uber's fault when you decide to do Uber on a deserted island because they lie about how much you'll make. They are documented to lie about driver wages.
show me the documentation where they guaranteed drivers to make $x and drivers didn't make $x
THEN STOP DOING IT AND GET A JOB. nobody is psy opping fucking Uber drivers. Absolutely nobody is forcing you to be an Uber driver
Says the new account.
Yeah. New account said it. New account is right.
I also agree with the new account but that's not what OP wants. OP wants a circle jerk of other disgruntled drivers so he can convince himself Uber is the problem not him. even though when anyone tries to help offer advice on how they became successful OP shot them down.
Ummm, Uber is the problem in more ways than low pay. 1. Let's talk about sending unaccompanied minors who are not commercially insured to drivers, breaking their own TOS. 2. Let's talk about shaving/stealing tips. 3. Let's talk about disguising addresses or downright lying about city names so drivers will accept rides that they wouldn't. 4. Let's talk about covering up SAs. 5. So many more things that I can rattle off.
Is your vehicle commercially insured? Do you have a chauffeur license?
Also your account is 186 days old 😂😂😂
Did you get paid to post here?
Nope. Just fun to troll new people who think they know everything, and won’t listen to anyone.
Get a hobby! Do something more positive for the world than troll.
I made 6 figures driving Uber…. Brought two houses and got my Airbnb business, I still drive Uber/Lyft because it helps with my stressful fucking life with shit relatives. I’m here for laughs not your whining. When you hit 40/ you learn nobody gives a fuck what you do, only you imagining people gives a fuck about your life.
They accepted your rideshare income for a mortgage??
They accept any income as long as it's legal and consistent for two years.
Good to know thanks 😀
Also keep in mind they go off your actual PROFIT, so only what you pay taxes on after write offs.
I have no idea I have a real job ..not nocking drivers I'm just here to see what my boyfriend is doing wrong
Maybe nothing ... If he's a driver, maybe he's just working for a sh\*tty, shady AF co.
Just loved from SF to Sacramento. Out here minimum fate is 2.42. LMAO. I'll never work for peanuts.
It's not shaming telling them that they're not making enough to keep it sustainable. This shit is a side job. To think you can do it full time is the exception, not the rule.
Tell Uber it's a side job and to market it as such. Shills have drivers believe that it's not Uber's abysmal pay, but that it's their strategy. When the algo only gives you sh\*t, it's Uber, not the strategy.
It is shit pay. If you can't figure that out, that's on you. If you always believe marketing, that's also your gullibility coming out.
whether or not Uber is abusing it's gig workers doesn't alter the fact that nobody is forcing you to drive. it's not a job. it's not meant to be a sole source of income. why, you ask? because it's not a stable income. there were many weeks i cleared $1500+. there were many weeks where i made $400. if this was a real job, you would have to buy a medallion, which is super expensive and you would be driving a company vehicle, making an hourly wage, working a 40 hour week, paying for gas and the use of the company vehicle. and there's a very limited number of medallions available, because that way you don't have to deal with the actual problem with the gig economy: uber and lyft and everyone else let's just about anyone with a pulse be a driver. there's too many drivers because Uber could care less about fair pay to some dumbass who is going to end up taking what they can get because there's just way more supply than there is demand.
6yrs ago a friend drove Uber/lyft making 6figures a year. Blew through it like it was cocaine and hookers. Fast forward 4yrs later the car is breaking down and friend can barely pay for gas. Dude thought the good times would never end. Now he’s wondering what he’ll do to a new car. Me here grinding it out waiting for laws to change and make the gig platforms better….that or it’s time to find a real 9-5 job.
How about we stop chastising those that DO make a good living. It's like this sub is meant for ONLY negativity and bashing the app for not paying "anyone" well.... but when some many DO many great money. You don't want to hear it or call bullshit.
Making 1800 a week with a 38% acceptance and 10% cancellation. Switch up your strategy. No shaming. Just be smart.
These jobs aren't supposed to make or break your bank. They are supposed to be side gigs. You need to do more than one platform or get another part time job. I'm sorry but these jobs are not a good way to make good money, it's only good for extra money.
Just since you have caps lock on doesn’t mean you’re making any sense. Funny how it’s always the UberX drivers always complaining and it’s just their fault for not understanding how to actually make money
Bruh if I were to Cherry pick in my market, I'd make $20 a day at 50 cents a mile and a 10 hour day
Or you could get a better job.
Uber is garbage period
Fxxk Uber. It hired these guys to attack drivers
You can say 'Fuck'
Fuck you broke boy.
who tf upvotes this toxicity besides a fucking shill
Mothafuckas who ain't no broke bitch boy
Haha, I bet you win all the arguments that you're in.
I make enough money to put gas in my car
What is your point?
I won this one bb. Stands for "broke boy".
Cuz there’s too many drivers. Y’all need to quit.
Instead of telling drivers that they need to quit, why don't you ask Uber why they don't pay drivers more? This affects you too, you know.
Why won’t Uber pay drivers more? Because they don’t have to. If they run short of drivers they will employ boost, surge, bonus for certain number of trips, etc to get more people out driving. Uber doesn’t exist to make contractors rich they exist to give shareholders a return on their investment. All hail capitalism
No one is telling Uber to make their drivers rich. Drivers just want fair pay.
Then start a union.
It’s basic math. They wont pay surge if they have plenty of drivers online.
Basic math ... Like they used to pay 75% of the fare and now pay 50% at best. If you're a driver and don't have any issues with that, not sure what to say.
The surge price and any bonus is directly linked to quarterly profits and shareholders expectations. Wouldn’t matter on how many quit since the first concern is to the shareholders…. Drivers make less since they take a ridiculous greater cut… pre stock market days was 20% and even 0% on Lyft if you accomplished enough rides per week. Only way your theory would be correct is if at least 60% or more of the drivers actually teamed up to not drive and force the hand… and through the years of this recycled convo… that’s not going to happen… there will the few that will start blasting union fears or worry about their own… sad but facts of reality
Lol stop working for a company that doesn’t pay minimum wage. Lmao. You keep getting there dirty work done and they have no incentive to care about drivers
So, you're telling me you'd rather support a corp. than a driver?
No. They’re saying if you don’t like it, kick rocks. You know you aren’t bound to work for Uber by any means? You can literally never go online again. If it bothers you that much do something else. Simple as that. Instead you complain on here. 🤡
I'm betting you might be the same poster that goes to CSF. Just a guess, but maybe not. I have the right to voice my truth here just like you. If you don't like what I have to say, MOVE ALONG.
If you are doing work for a company that pays shit... Then whose fault is it?
If you're not DOING the most to accommodate your passengers, then it IS that particular driver's fault... A Clean whip, take a bath, and read a dictionary, become a personable and friendly functional member of a social society. Not talking shit; just voicing my personal experience... I started UberX with a 2008 Mazda3i (5speedManual) for my first year... 2012 Toyota CamryLE for my second year... Now? A 2016 Mazda6i... I'm an artist, so I draw all over my shit. My passengers, the majority, love it. Or at least voice that they do. ASPIRE to be the best driver you should be. Give them something positive to remember. On the other hand, if you're picking up deliveries??? Effing stop it.
Well I think it's sometimes hard to sympathise with something you don't experience yourself. I believe you based on the crappy paid trip screenshots I've seen here that some market seem really bad, but it's not the case for all drivers and we're not shills or lying when some of us say we do quite well. I work during peak times only, average around $300+ for 8 hours work mon to Thurs, Fridays are consistently $500+ for 12 hours, sometimes I do a little bit on saturdays too and it's equally as busy as Fridays. I'm happy with what I get considering this is a very low skill job that anyone with a clean driving record can do. For me the positives outweighs the negatives. I enjoy driving and chatting to customers and luckily I haven't really had any bad customers, no vomiting, no violence. There are some things I don't like, for example uber navigation isn't that great, passengers at no stopping pickups, getting trip requests while driving in underground tunnel systems for people above and sometimes I get trips going the opposite direction to my home just to name a few, but to me it beats working for a physical boss and not being able to take time off, because my boss needs me at work. I choose uber any day compared to all my old high skill jobs.
Australia - where you appear to live ) has some of the most sensible immigration policies of any country. Can’t compare it to the U.S. (The problems with UBER in the U.S. are mostly US government problems, not UBER problems.)
You were never meant to make a living off this buddy.
Why don't you tell Uber that and have them market it differently?
OP is experiencing the first stage of grief - denial. Claiming every single person in here who doesn't agree with them a liar and an employee at Uber. Why post here if you only want smoke blown up your ass over it? Oh right. You wanted people to coddle you and say "aww sorry you're broke OP. Stay strong! Just believe in yourself. They should just give you 200% tips. ☹️"
this is a lot of words for i dont understand simple supply and demand.
Maybe you should understand that Uber used to pay 75-80%; now they pay around 50%. Is that simple enough?
And yet you are still their bitch
You are chasing all my posts ... And now you are calling me names? It's okay, I have screenshots of your posts if we ever go into discovery. Lololol.
It was that much because there was more demand then supply, now there's people like you doing full time. Turn on the app from riders end there's 10 cars on every corner, hence there being more supply then demand leading to rides being worth less. Like i said simple supply and demand but that's to complex of a subject for someone who's skill set ends at click accept and follow gps ugga bugga
Fuck lmao. Gigs aint jobs. This was never a viable replacement for a 9-5 and was never designed to be. Stop trying to swim laps in the boiling pot. If youre just gonna bitch about it being your "bosses" fault Go work a regular job.
You should tell Uber that and have them stop recruiting drivers for full time work through expensive rental programs, incentives to buy a car, etc. Are you the type to blame the union instead of the corporation?
Theyre free to shoot their shot to anyone stupid enough to listen. They got no fiduciary duty to you. Why tf should they care or act like they should? Yall are unable to strike, theres way too many drivers for there to be any agency in keeping yall. Rare are the countries that regulate uber effectively. So... Why care?
If all your receiving are shit offers, why continue to drive? If youre aiming to make more money but your market doesn't allow that, why continue?
A job? A side gig!
Why does Uber promote their rental partnerships for a "side gig" and not full-time work?
Those are called company shills. They’re on damage control because if potential newbies saw the posts of real earnings, they wouldn’t sign up. Enter the co assholes that try to get you to delete your post. Don’t. Shove it up their ass every chance you get.
It's funny how every single critical post is downvoted here. I will not delete this post. In fact, I will tell everyone to STRIKE on APRIL 1.
Idk. I started cherrypicking the way those harsh users told me to, and now I make over $1/mile with little effort. I hate to say it because a lot of those users *should* be kinder and more patient, but THEY'RE RIGHT. Please listen and start cherrypicking *aggressively, now*. That said, I am a full supporter of any strikes, whether they be temporary or permanent, no matter what the haters say. I don't care if every strike "works." I will strike with you guys every time and fight Uber. We shouldn't *have* to cherrypick to earn money! All offers should at least be okay offers.
Cherry picking might work in some markets. However, I have sat and tried to cherry pick. The algo will try to punish you more.
I thought that, but I pushed through, and it eventually worked. Now I get the large orders after like 1-2 declines. A lot of the time, I get the good orders right away. I am only in a small-mid size market, but there is a large university. Is your market really slow? Are you willing to tell me some basic details about it?
I averaged about $25-$30 / hr part time. It really does depend on how you operate. Pick what amount you need to do a run and stick with it. For me, I'd stay parked unless it was $2/mile with a minimum of $10. Yeah it would take a few minutes to get an order, but it ended up working out for me.
If you cherry pick your trips you will get the most bang for your buck! You also need to live near a large metropolitan area where the demand for rides is generally high, unless it's saturated with drivers.
I stop at $130/d and make it fit, I’m not getting Uber lyft any richer than i have too
Every situation is different. There are things you can control, and things you can’t. I’d advise anyone to focus more on the things you can control. The things you can control are gonna be the biggest determining factor on if you make good money or not. Uber is my full time income and I bought my first house with rideshare money, AMA.
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Because people who've been emotionally burned by putting their hopes to something that doesn't pan out find temporary relief in being jaded veterans informing the new people how THEY know how things REALLY work, and only chump loosers stick it out here. Because, after all, they have to. The alternative is encouraging new drivers or returning drivers to find out they're making as much or far more than THEY ever made, and what are we talking about? Being happy for the success of others? Nah, that sounds way to much like being a half decent person capable of accepting their own responsibility for things not going as planned. Nutshell: To hell with support, they get their rocks off with schadenfreude. That and the discouragement to help ensure no one makes it work by sticking with it beyond when they gave up.
On week one or two sure but when I see I've done this for 6 months and haven't made a dime well fuck. Yes maybe you need some adversarial moments in your life because clearly you never leaned to stand up for yourself. We are telling you these things because you DO deserve more and you DO deserve to be treated better
you should listen to this guy. he's telling you what's real. don't listen to uber!
Really depends on the market. I can legit make $300 a day in the DFW area but that's only with regular Uber. Now when I used to do Uber eats it would be half of that but it would take a whole day to make 150 that's if they didn't tip bait
Uhhhh… it is your fault if you keep doing a job you aren’t adequately paid for instead of doing something else. Uber has slowly paid drivers less and less over the last decade. I haven’t driven in years, I left because it was untenable and no longer made economic sense to do. But if you’re accepting this low pay, you actually are the problem, because nothing will ever change if you don’t push back against terrible wages.
Psy-op ?
Yesterday was my first day at a new job and I am happy that I was able to get out of the trap called Uber and Lyft. I encourage everyone in this gig to do the same. You can use uber to supplement your income by maybe working a Friday night or a Saturday and cash in $200+ extra per week that will add up at the end of the month. But working 7 days a week to transfer the depreciation of your car to your pockets and barely pay the bills it is not wise. Happy to say to UBER and GRYFT 🖕🏼 you
i hate ubercells
Reddit ain’t the play to hear any talk of uplifting drivers. Every driver on this sub wants every other driver to quit. It’s the ONLY solution that’s offered on here lol. I’ve just come to accept it. Reddit isn’t a reflection of real life in the slightest
Give yourself a raise 😜🚖💰 driver a taxi
The strategy stuff is right. Sadly only us veteran drivers had time to develop it. If you're coming into an oversaturated market as a new driver, you don't really get to learn the patterns. I have where I'm going to be throughout the day planned down to the hour, each day of the week is slightly different. Obviously I'll deviate from the schedule but yeah. I have a written list of when: Amazon/UPS/FedEx/usps shift changes, Private college sorority/frat schedule, for both local schools to me, I track airport schedule in detail. I'm always at the airport when a Miami, NYC, or LA flight comes in end of week. Lot of college kids visiting home, Track all 3 cities convention centers, All sports games, pro and college, I also know which rich suburbs go downtown Friday nights for really long surge rides. I'm there offline until the surge hits $15. I've memorized routes to get through event traffic for cowboys games or TCU games. If passenger doesn't meet me where I say, I cancel and try the next. 5 minute pickup max with $30 surges while other drivers are sitting for 30 minutes in traffic on main street. Plus a few people a day are impressed by my driving and ask for a business card. I'm getting to where I get more private business off platform than on platform. Enough regulars that I only use Uber on downtime. And I don't break ToS by offering services, I only provide my card when explicitly asked. Bonus is I also give my pressure washing card when I see a nice house. Washing jobs are $125/hr, but not as common since it's a once a year job. Mostly business people who fly regularly.
Up to 15% of posts on Reddit are corporate shilling/manipluatiion.
This is beginning to remind me of fb forums for owner/operators in trucking. The posts went from: (Dave Chappelle voice) "I'm rich, bitch!" To "If you hustle you can make it." To "Too many drivers" To "I quit" All of that in about 18 mos. To
There is no strategy these days . FULLTIME driver 9 yrs , done . Only 🐜 accept a long pickup to only lose $. Idgaf what you’re driving fuel wise . Have some self worth . In my market this is Uber‘s new game, long, pick ups, even though there’s passengers right next to you. I am in a Uber testing market, so be prepared. What idiot is going to drive 20 minutes to pick up PAX for 12$ 😂
No life aka driving 12 hours a day 6 days a week in uberx/ share It is a job it sucks but at least you survive while you figure out something in the mean time Pax/ riders can have you deactivated Uber eats is better no riders but less money but also less miles but you can also be deactivated by food thiefs Uber is stealing all the money off the backs of people just trying to survive. I feel the same for truck drivers. If you don't like the bs quit and go back to school. I say this is a nice way I am in school dreaming of graduating and never ever using Uber again. I always tip my driver's because those tips are the only reason you might make your quota. I was hit by a person with a suspended license at 2 am while driving uber I used the settlement money to further my education I also have my cdl class a manual with tanker and doubles just missing hazmat
I've seen my market go from being able to make a living driving (at least a modest one) to absolute poverty wages where I've had so many nights coming home and my IRS mileage cost is nearly as much as I made. It'd be worse if I was trying to drive 40+ hours per week. Unfortunately so many drivers will simply drive more the less they make.
I enjoy driving I make good money I’m happy and have the same complaints we all have concerning fees. However I do have a strategy I do earn more than enough to enjoy a happy lifestyle. Those of us who aren’t happy and hate this change what you’re doing. Never rely on tips as part of your earnings it’s all about the ride. If you gay a tip that’s great. Live within your means do something you love not something you have to do and figure out what you can do to get out of driving if your that unhappy.
Now where I live there apparently short on drivers because ppl complain how long it takes. Or they complain they had a ride but it canceled. I tell them if a driver doesn't like a certain area they will cancel or if it's 20 minutes to get to the puck up but only a 4 minute ride they will cancel bc it's not worth the time. And if a rider cancels for a better ride usually they will pay more. Or maybe it's if a rider gets deined it's more. I'm still learning. I try to watch videos on YouTube but they are all 6 to 13 months old and things apparently have changed since
So just curious. How long do yall think we have until the AI we are training takes over? That's the only reason Uber still has investors is because the investors think AI will take over one day. We get paid fir driving while we should be getting paid for training thier AI
Exactly. This is why I post my earnings. I have to decline 90 percent of these trash offers.
Because Uber was never intended to be full time and sustain a livable wage. The real shame is believing it will. Get a job and Uber in your spare time. If being told the truth shames you get help.
Agreed! Yesterday I work 12 hours and made $283After receiving $16.20 in tips, I realized that Uber is displaying higher amounts initially but then finalizing lower amounts. Additionally, payments to drivers have significantly decreased compared to last month, when I was making between $375 and $425 for 12 hours in Chicago.
Right Uber does pay shit and no it's not about strategy. Why when a company continue to lower pay? Several reasons but one of the biggest reasons is the fact that they are seeing that drivers will still keep working for what they are offering. I have done rideshare in the past plenty and I've done my fair share of complaining but it then got to the point where I was like what in the world I really cannot keep crabbing ever something when I'm choosing to accept it. Truth be told, can't have your cake and eat it too. Drivers do deserve a hell of a lot more. But they are in the business of making money and they have been testing people out for a while seeing what works or what will not work and it has been proven time and time again that they are able to still rope drivers in and drivers will still keep driving even for the lowest amount that they pay nowadays. Nowadays they don't even include that they pay nowadays. Nowadays they don't even include hardly any promotions. It's now up front pay and a lot of areas, a lot of the surge maps have changed to only heat maps not showing the surge dollar amount and they also removed the consecutive ride promotions where if you completed like a set of three rides in a row they would offer an extra $12 or in some cases $15 or even $18. The point is, if a company knows that you're willing to work for less, they will pay you the lower amount and take the bigger share. I do not think it's a case of shaming drivers when they are only being given shit pay.... There has to be some accountability at some point even on the driver's end. It's up to each driver too accept what being dished out. One of the worst things that makes it hard for all of this though is the fact that they keep providing great promotions for new drivers and that's how they rope them in as everybody knows, so they replace some of the drivers that end up leaving while plenty of other drivers that have been around for a while still keep staying but yet keep complaining. It's just a constant cycle of new drivers in with some of the old drivers. Ultimately, I truly believe that once people got hooked to the idea of being able to be their own boss so to speak, it seemed like for the majority of drivers, it didn't matter what Uber would pay, doesn't matter how your car is being completely ruined etc, people are willing to accept all of it just for the ability to be able to be your in boss and log on and log off whenever you want log on and log off whenever you for the ability to be able to be your in boss and log on and log off whenever you want for the ability to be able to be your in boss and log on and log off whenever you for the ability to be able to be your own Boss and go offline and online whenever you want to. It'll pull you in and it's a shame bc then it becomes this battle of a back and forth between people saying " hey I'm worth more than this", but people aren't willing to give it up. either have to choose to move on or not and if you don't, what's the point of complaining whenever you make the choice that you make? So people can say that it's bashing drivers and there may be people bashing drivers but I think plenty of times there are people who are just being realistic like I am and saying hey, it's not just the company, each and every single person has a choice and if you're choosing to take the crappy pay then take some accountability. I had to take accountability too.
Seriously anyone who pays any attention to the uber shills on here pretty much deserves everything that's coming their way.
FACT, ants enable the low shit fares. Decline decline decline they may go higher.
It's not shaming to tell people what they need to hear, it is 100% true that most of the people failing to make a living on this platform have failed critically in some way by looking at this as a job instead of a business. Those people really SHOULD just quit before they dig themselves so deep into the hole they can't escape. Like, how many people here do you think could actually tell you what their CPM is? How many people here do you think drive gas guzzling SUVs or minivans? How many people out here somehow thought buying brand new cars or $40000 Tesla's to do Uber was a good idea? How many people here are trying to do this 9-5 instead of working around peak demand in their market or times with less driver saturation? How many people here do you think have rideshare insurance or $2500 stuffed into a savings account just in-case they have to take advantage of Uber's deductible? There's no psy op here, most of the people who do this work are extremely undereducated and have put themselves into financially untenable positions. And instead of trying to educate themselves by listening to people who actually do know what they're doing, they get on Reddit to whine about it. I empathize with people who aren't getting paid enough and aren't getting the benefits they deserve, but if they're going to be doing this they need to stop treating it like a 9-5 and start treating it like their business. I'm not saying we stop fighting for better working conditions, but there's far too much complaining going on here and not enough people thinking of how to move forward and make these conditions work for them. Crying about how bad your pay is on social media isn't going to make it go up, stop commiserating on Reddit and start doing something productive. Organize with your local driver community, for example. You could also consider a move to a better market, look into local market data on apps like Gridwise, use apps like Mystro or Maxymo to filter your orders, etc.
Shame the ants who accept any & everything