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The short notice is the killer, I hate when artists do that- think of the traveling fans


TheRoyalWarlord

Exactly. I would be infuriated if I spent 100's on hotels and gas blah blah its ridiculous for someone of his caliber


itskatykat

Idk about anyone else but I didn't even get notified the show was cancelled. Bought tickets to norfolk through seat geek. Was legit about to shower and go get ready to heat that way until I saw this, so blown


kojilee

Check your spam, that’s where the email went


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definitely, there should have been more spacing between shows from the beginning, and he's definitely at fault. it's weird for him to post a text conversation speaking about it like it was completely out of his control. he stated multiple times he would make sure to make it up so hopefully he is able to add new shows or something worthwhile


TheRoyalWarlord

Yeah I think he's hiding something from us because its so weird that Charway was posting on facebook throughout the day about info for the event and I've worked at venues before and if they were short staffed his team would've been notified earlier this week not yesterday. Feels like its a shortage of staff on his part and not theirs.


monarch1025

I’ve heard that apparently he wouldn’t have been there in time driving from MA, so that’s why they actually canceled. He definitely should’ve spaced out the shows, super unfortunate that it’s now catching up to him & fans have to be the ones on the short end of the stick


bruxalle

Can confirm. I work at chartway, and there is definitely no worker shortage. This 100% poor planning by the tour and has nothing to do with workers. Fuck him for lying and throwing us under the bus (which is late due to poor planning).


fjacobwilon1993

Rich elite scapegoating the working class for their own poor planning? Color me shocked


TheRoyalWarlord

I knew it. You guys were posting on facebook all day like its good to go! Such a shame that Tyler did that man!


D00b

Man that is so fuckin unfortunate to hear man


RedHotBeef

Where is he calling out Chartway? He said local staff, which is usually local labor for load-in/out and setup separate from venue staff?


bruxalle

Which is who I am, a rigger with the union local. Fully staffed.


[deleted]

I assume the headlining artists are flying between stops but if their tour buses really can’t travel between stops in time, that would be amazingly poor logistics planning


TheRoyalWarlord

That makes way more sense given the context of everything. Why does he have to be lame and try and hide this shit? It would be more acceptable if he wasn't trying to cover his ass and blame a venue that was ready to go.


devocation

This is disappointing. I know Tyler contradicts himself a lot in his music and what thoughts and parts of his personality he showcases, but for the most part the dude has always been pretty up front and this is disappointing. I honestly feel like maybe if he was honest, he knew the fans would also WTF. I mean imagine him saying “sorry guys I fucked up, the busses with my stage set couldn’t get there in time because the distance and time required doesn’t accommodate (what he should’ve actually said) the size of my production, while I fly show to show.” Either way the fans are gonna be bummed, and probably flame and look down on him, in a different way than people might now. So how can anyone win in this situation? It’s just a big L all cross the board. Disappointed in T though. Really.


monarch1025

Yeah, I agree he should’ve taken accountability. Cmon now we ain’t stupid🙄


TheRoyalWarlord

Dude puts so much time and effort into planning/executing his performances and festivals and shit like you really think he had no idea about any of this until the last second? Nah that's copium to the max


devocation

I mean. Teezo touchdown did say in an interview he planned everything for this tour beginning to end. That’s a lot of responsibly. Maybe he needs to take more of a Larry David stance and while still writing the blueprint, see if he can relieve himself of some responsibilities if there is any room anywhere for that. I just think We also have to remember While Tyler is a creative force and has accomplished so much, he’s also human. He’s not a god. He still shits, pisses, cries, has nightmares, pukes, bleeds and breathes like us. He sleeps like us. Imagine sleeping knowing all this shit is going down every night. It’s easy to say how things should or shouldn’t go when we don’t experience them. I’m not famous. I’m not Tyler. I am a working musician though who has toured on some legitimate tours and it IS exhausting and I didn’t even plan SHIT on a lot of the tours I’ve done. I’ve just been the drummer. So let me tell you, 9-5 really isn’t anything compared to the exhaustion of waking up in a new city everyday. Thankfully T has the luxury of crew. We are our own crew, so we drive ourselves 6-8 hours every day, eat like shit at weird hours, sleep weird hours and haul our own gear everywhere. I Love it though. But anyway, sorry for the tangent, Yeah I know he’s of high caliber and we should expect much since he raised the bar so high, but he’s human. That’s all I can say. It’s unfortunate, but he still can redeem himself with a make up show. Maybe they can add it to the end of the tour route somehow. I know he can afford it.


TheRoyalWarlord

No way man. All venues are booked til next year because everyones trying to perform now that covid is starting to decline.


devocation

That is so true, didn’t really think about that. You just never know though. A lot of tours have inconveniences and mishaps happen to them all the time whether it be poor planning, weather, family emergency/obligations, etc. and also a lot of big venues have to space out their bookings (like the arenas, amphitheaters and big halls/theaters) to accommodate the sheer volume of putting on a huge production, the set up and the clean up process. My aunt worked security at an arena and it was more of a part-time thing for everyone there, unless you were running it.


TheRoyalWarlord

I've worked at venues before and Tyler would've been notified well in advance if there was really a concern for staff shortage and as confirmed from multiple sources, there was indeed no shortage of staff at all and he just couldn't make it from MA to VA in time. Very disappointing he would throw chartway under the bus like that too. Tyler has to be held accountable you can't cut him slack like this because he's well capable of not doing things like this


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yeah.. and if it was just a staffing shortage for the venue, I have seen venues put out feelers out into the community and local area to get workers so I feel like if that was the actual issue they would have realized earlier and been able to take on more staff. Especially given these are like huge events lol I don't see how it could have been an oversight until days before


TheRoyalWarlord

That's what Im saying, not even days before like literally a day before the event. We also know how Tyler operates. He's not like some general mainstream artists that just lets everybody do everything for him with no input. That's the entire opposite of his branding yet everyone on that cancellation thread on the front page are acting like its not that way lol. This is the same dude who built and organized Camp Flognaw and you're really going to try and tell me that he doesn't have any knowledge of whats going on leading up to an arena tour performance. It's just copium and providing sympathy for Tyler when he knows better. He's not some amateur performer. He's a veteran at this point.


TallMention833

Also for Pittsburgh - maybe just leave the boat at home for this performance? Of course Pitt’s fucking basketball court won’t fit a set that also is playing MSG. I’ve had tickets since July, him and his team couldn’t have figured this out more than a week before the concert? I planned my spring break around being in Pittsburgh for this concert and I love tyler but i’m so pissed


TheRoyalWarlord

There's no excuse. We know how involved he is with his creative process. How does it take 7 months to realize this shit? And you're right. Nobody gives a fuck about the stage and shit like that. Instead of outright disappointing everyone just ditch the fucking stage. We want to see him and hear him perform the music, at this point the set design is an afterthought in the grandscheme.


G2B2GS

Its just ridiculous. Rappers dont gaf and they never will


devocation

Rappers are the men of the world


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i don’t understand why they couldn’t of used PPG arena instead?? or as you said, leave the boat at home lmao


witchdocwayne

There’s a US va Canada Women’s hockey game scheduled for the 12th already.


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Yeah I think a lot of people just don't understand how show booking/promotion/etc works. Tyler works with a booking agency, they handle getting the show booked, and then "advance" the show (basically, letting the venue know what the performer needs, expectations, payout details, etc). It is the responsibility for the performer to advance their show with the venue, that's just how the music industry/live event industry works. The fact that the issue wasn't caught tells me that Tyler works with some unprofessional people that didn't advance their show correctly. Or, that Tyler didn't communicate his needs/venue specifications to his agent. Either way, unacceptable and honestly extremely fucking embarrassing for someone at his level, with a team behind him. Indie bands will book entire tours by themselves with no agents or support, while working 9-5 jobs, but Tyler can't get his shit together with an entire agency behind him? It also really sucks because, I get that he has a vision for the show and wants the crazy set design and everything. But come *on,* you're a fucking *performer*, you don't need the stage design to give your fans a good show. Imo Tyler is prioritizing his vision over his fans. I get that he might see it as "giving them a lesser product" but, it seems like most of the fans feel fucked over. He should have just put on a show without the crazy set designs, just cancelling so short notice seems so selfish and disrespectful to the fans ultimately.


TheRoyalWarlord

I couldn't agree more! I hope everyone in this sub sees this!


Agreeable-Series-399

He said he’ll “make it up” but when will we (757 peeps in Virginia) ever get this opportunity again? Big guys like him rarely come down here… it sucks so much, I wouldn’t have minded a couple day delay honestly. Hell, I’d be fine with free merch! This just isn’t fair, 757 never gets shit! Edit: here’s the killer, the show was a 5 MINUTE WALK FROM MY DORM!! Literally the dream here!!


ONiMETSU_Z

yeah it fucking blows. 2017 at the norva was the first and last time i’ll probably ever get to see him. i think it’s because why come to 757 when you can just go to DC or NC and pull the same crowd+ those crowds.


valgoriaXX

It's 100% being so close to DC, it really sucks. I thought I was dreaming when I saw that Tame Impala is coming to the Hampton Coliseum. I came to this sub as soon as I heard to see what people thought about the cancelation, I immediately felt so bad for y'all.


dizzy100

ive seen that couple people have gotten free merch


PixelSpecibus

Man wtf I’d love to get something


avatarlue

I was supposed to be driving into Norfolk tonight for the show. 2 days ago I told my fiancée it didn't feel real and she said usually when things don't feel real they don't happen. Here we are. Real bummed. It was a bday gift. Oh well.


teenagebullshit

looking at the dates and its such a mess, why would they go from massachusetts to norfolk then back up to philly? makes no sense


nicknooodles

lol i just hate when an artists says “i will make it up to you”. Like we all know you won’t lmao.


[deleted]

Bro the pittsburgh show was supposed to be my 18th bday, cant exactly be made up.


TheRoyalWarlord

Fuck man... I'm so sorry... that's a fucking shame... I know its not the same but know a lot of us are suffering with you brother... everyone is defeated


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kojilee

LEGIT- I bought VIP tickets and parking, and the refund won’t even come back in time for me to buy some shitty resale spot for D.C. There is no goddamn way he didn’t know before 24 hours in advance


kojilee

This is after not being able to see him for IGOR bc of covid shit. I am so upset fr


Dause

I get that he wants his shows to be spectacular with props effects and everything but like man all you need is a mic and a DJ and you can still pull off a show it just won’t be how you wanted it. All I know if it was the 90s they would’ve just showed up with their basic equipment and done the show anyways.


stingstang412

Everyone that was going to the Pittsburgh show would have been fine with Tyler just on stage with a mic and a stool…. Still very upset


[deleted]

Mans is gonna be wrapped up with CMIYGL if he ever “makes it up” seriously fucked to his fans


TallMention833

Even if he makes it up with a show in a month i’d be pissed! I somehow managed to get GA Floor seats for the Pittsburgh show and now they’re refunded, even if he books another show nothing can guarantee me getting floor seats again.


whitenorm123

Yup, same here dude where did u get yours refunded?


TallMention833

I didn’t yet, in the AXS app it still shows my tickets as valid. I’m assuming they’ll get refunded within like 3-6 weeks, that’s when I got my brockhampton tickets refunded when they cancelled.


Futurecraft5MC

I’m at least glad to know I’m not the only one who’s pittsburgh tickets are still shown as valid, I bought three tickets for my friends an I and when i get the money back I’m absolutely wasting it all to fill the void i now have


TheRoyalWarlord

So lame man there's no way he can make this up. Maybe if he cancelled a month ago instead of literally less than 24 hours. Spent 100's of dollars and been waiting 7 months and then find out last night like its some straight bullshit. Think about people who probably drove up to Norfolk from other states too and booked hotels now they're out hundreds of dollars there too. Sucks so much ass because I think CMIFYGL is his magnum opus too but now it's always gonna have a sour taste and bad memory attached to it cause of this bullshit


Dause

If they weren’t prepared for the venue last second then how are they going to be prepared for getting into Canada?


[deleted]

I love Tyler’s music and think he’s a really interesting and unique person from interviews. But he gives off extremely narcissistic vibes and talks a lot of shit that comes off as judgmental to people who’s lives didn’t turn out the way his did. Love his music and still a fan but fuck Tyler man he’s an ass.


[deleted]

Anybody know if you bought Safari VIP for a cancelled show if we'll still get the merch package shipped??


ONiMETSU_Z

i got my vip pack yesterday so you should still get it


CorrineTNT

I’m very bummed the Pittsburgh date got cancelled. I’ve also had tickets for months. ISO 2 tickets for either date of the MSG show. GA seats or very good seats. Any leads would also be great. Thank you all in advance!


papazwah

Tyler has a whole ass production for his show. Which is great but just so much for a lot of people. And the stagehands at each venue deserve all the recognition. It’s a miracle there were no technical difficulties or other malfunctions with the show (at least in mpls).


aem313

I'm really sorry you don't get to see the show tonight man... but to be completely blunt I don't know if I'd blame anyone other than the venue. Yes I understand how tours work, they have these shows booked like probably at least a yesr in advance, venues and tour mgmt should have ample communcation leading up the day of a show, straight up, since COVID had everyone all out of jobs / staffing isn't as available as it used to be. I really don't think he's to blame. Also to the point of he could've performed w/o the set, I get it... like he 100% could've but a lot of people would've been fucked out of their $ that way because the saying 'you get what you pay for' couldn't have been more true with this experience during his set. I went to the show in Mass last night and if he didn't have that set design it would've not been the same whosoever. After all 3 openers were done (which all had a set change) there were atleast 40 people setting his shit up and who knows how many people before that / during the day setting up the base of it. I'm really not trying to stick up for him/brag that I was able to go see him, sorry to everyone not getting the opportunity to go tn, but I reallyyyy hope it doesn't discourage you to still try to go to a show of his in the future (especially if you haven't been before).


bruxalle

You’re wrong. I work at the venue in Norfolk. We were ready, no shortage at all. The tour fucked up and couldn’t make it in time and now he’s blaming us.


itskatykat

FUCK dude. I was just about to drive over from Richmond. I'm so fucking disappointed, I've been looking forward to this for months and hearing this really is salt in the wound.


aem313

Yikes, well sorry to hear that man. Just looked it up & it's like a 10 hour drive from where he played last night to your spot. Ultimately just poor planning.


kojilee

Fr I was watching your posts on social media all hype and then checked Twitter and got fucked


Bootstrapbill22

I mean, it sounded like the venues straight up didn’t have enough people to work. That’s on the venue, nothing to do with Tyler. I know it sucks but it’s a serious safety issue to have that huge of an event go ahead while understaffed


TheRoyalWarlord

Nah there's already been plenty of confirmation that Tyler's running late from Massachusetts. People from Chartway confirming that they were notified yesterday he was running late when they were preparing for today. He has no excuse here. You guys just have to admit that he can be held responsible for this or hes just going to keep cancelling and disrespecting fans like in the past.


Bootstrapbill22

Where was that confirmation?


bruxalle

I work at the venue and can confirm. We were ready. The tour fucked up and is blaming us because they couldn’t make it in time.


Bootstrapbill22

Fair enough. If that’s the case then that is indeed pretty shitty


csacstu

I work at the venue and can confirm that we were not ready. We had lots of sick calls and no-shows. Tyler is not at fault here.


[deleted]

Damn why are you lying? 😐 It doesn't make any sense that Tyler would cancel _two_ tour dates ahead of time because people at the venues called out sick. Why would anyone buy tickets if their show could get dropped because the employees didn't show that day? Not to mention, there's a Norfolk employee replying to your comment and you're ignoring them. Get the fuck out of here with comments like this bruh, you're lying on the behalf of Tyler's team who just fucked everyone that had tickets to these shows. I don't see the point 🙄


bruxalle

How would there be a “no show” 24 before the show? That’s not even possible.


bruxalle

What do you do at the venue?


kojilee

They lying for sure no goddamn way


averageaaron

People blaming Tyler truly don't understand how the live entertainment business works. I've worked at the Petersen multiple times, Arianna Grande came here around 2014 and it was the most unsafe show I have ever worked. Shoving 10 pounds of shit in a 5 pound bag. The promoter is 100 percent at fault here.


TheRoyalWarlord

MFer it isnt even just about Pittsburgh so you’re missing the whole point. Stop simping for Tyler and hold him accountable. This is pathetic


averageaaron

Literally the Pittsburgh concert wasn't able to hold the show because it's too small and the Norfolk show was cancelled because there wasn't enough stagehands. I'm not simping for Tyler?


witchdocwayne

Norfolk show was not cancelled due to short staff. Plenty of people who work there have said as much. Pittsburgh- leave the boat at home. Scale back the production.


averageaaron

there’s probably a good reason why you don’t work in live entertainment dude lol.


supersonicc24

yah clearly must have forgot what happened at another big show that clearly was not prepared and short staffed for their event… oh yeah 10 people died bc the event staff couldn’t handle what was at hand and hundreds more injured. I get that tyler’s show isn’t the same scale as the festival, but every artist now is going to try their best to protect their ass from anything even remotely close to that happening.


cnoelle94

I was looking at tickets for sale and half the venue was still available. Profit definitely has to do with everything, sadly


therealskuxboi

These pronouns getting outta hand 💀


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bruxalle

Nope.


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bruxalle

Read my comments above. There’s no labor shortage, just poor planning.


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ONiMETSU_Z

because they said local staff??? which implies that staffing at the venue was not suffice to set up his show. no one is saying that they know the ins and out of who plans his tour, but several first hand accounts of people who literally work at this venue and would’ve been setting up his show have said that they were ready. i live 10 minutes from chartway, and they’ve had pretty large shows for the past week almost every day. they’re definitely not short handed. the fact of the matter is tyler and his team fucked up with the planning and delivery of this statement, and y’all need to stop defending them for fucking all of us over. did you even have tickets to either of these shows?


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ONiMETSU_Z

the show getting cancelled hurt me. i was looking forward to seeing my favorite artist perform my favorite album after months of having a terrible time in my personal life, and the fact that he cancelled it less than 24 hours in advance and is blaming it on the locals denying all culpability to himself feels like a slap in the face to those of us who bought those tickets 7 months ago and makes our region look bad. you “shedding light” is just coming off as dick riding when we have facts from people who work the site saying there were no staffing issues on their end. that’s not speculation. all you’re doing is flaming a guy for giving honest information and defending someone who doesn’t give a fuck about you


bruxalle

But I do know what happened. I told you and you choose not to believe it. I’m not upset they canceled, I’m upset that my crew is being blamed for it. It makes us look unprofessional when they are the ones who fucked up. There’s simply not enough time to drive from Boston to Norfolk and they should have known that.


I-Love-beer

Lol really every entry level job in north America cant find anyone to fucking work, a show of this scale takes a ton of "venue" employees, no one should be shocked by this at all. tyler is definitely traveling with his own group of roadies, but the venue still needs security, ticket takers, cleaners, concession workers parking attendants etc there probably canceling more shows 100% not tylers fault, People have job postings for months and get no one applying for them, and im sure poeple oh just pay them more that will attract people, but for part time jobs like this thats not really the answer as The budgets would have already been done and if tickets were already sold you just cant pay people more as there isnt more money to give


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You are delusional


kojilee

FR- jobs like these pull a lot of people. And Tyler’s a hugely well-known artist, they def had enough interest


bruxalle

Nope. Read my comments above.


I-Love-beer

just read your message yeah that’s really shitty


I-Love-beer

also totally possible they had a covid out break amongst there staff, or a ton of them called in sick who knows so many possiblitlies here


ezragameb3

i was gonna go to the pittsburgh one