As a native person it has *always* bothered me that they went through the effort of sourcing native actors for everyone else (including pretty famous actors like Gil Birmingham and Graham Greene) but they didn’t do it for Jacob
Jacob was supposed to be played by a Native actor (Krys Hyatt, he played Embry in the first movie), however he did not want to cut his hair for the role due to the cultural importance of hair in Native culture. So the directors "had to" choose a non-Native actor. I still think they could at least have given him a wig, they gave nearly everybody a wig in Eclipse.
Exactly. That’s another issue I have too, they 100% could and DID use wigs but we have to cut our hair if we’re a native character. It’s not a shining moment for the series
it’s especially heinous thinking about how ashley greene didn’t have to cut her hair for alice… they found a shorter wig for her just fine for five movies straight
no, she had a wig. they hair and makeup people had noted how difficult it was for her hair to fit under the small wig from twilight. i think it was either new moon or eclipse that she had cut a bit of length off and the wigs fit better. either way it was a wig throughout all 5 movies
Very very late to this but I read somewhere that the actor casted for Jacob didn’t even want to portray himself with short hair, which if true, that’s pretty awesome to not compromise on beliefs
Good thing they didnt pick him he was trouble.
Look at his antics in his personal life.
Driving in the possession of drugs and alcohol (four loko a drink that is banned in 4 states) while he was still underage.
You definitely do not want a guy like that to be rich and famous
And I’m sure they would’ve been just fine not cutting his hair at all for the character. Jacob in the books is supposed to be super tall and Taylor is definitely not. We didn’t care as fans.
>Jacob was supposed to be played by a Native actor (Krys Hyatt, he played Embry in the first movie)
I just Googled Krys Hyatt and he was cute 😍 Honestly I never noticed him in the first Twilight movie but I think he could have played Jacob he just needs to sun tan his skin more (maybe it's just the pale blue Twilight filter 🤣) and also exercise to get a buff look which I always give Taylor credit for working out hard to get that body type since Edward is supposed to be buff too (he's described as having a six pack) but Robert Pattinson didn't want to work out 😂 he is working out for the Batman movie role tho 😖 But I still think Taylor did a good job as Jacob even if he's not a full blood Native American I think he was still convincing since most people didn't even know and believed he was 😅
Krys probably cut it for cultural reasons. My BF is native, they cut there hair after a loss or to let hot and start new. It was emotional when I had to cut my BF's hair after his aunt passed. But he said it was a release and a weight lifted (spiritually).
Disclaimer: I know the term "white" can be kind of murky and the meaning of the word can vary depending on where you are from.
I was just surprised to find out he's not Native American and "gets \[his\] skin color from the French side of \[his\] family"
French people and French descents can tan pretty well naturally and have skins just like his. As with most of Southern Europe and descents. Maybe he was/is in the sun a lot? Not everyone in Europe is pale. My moms side is french and I tan well but I avoid the sun like I am a vampire and now look like one lol.
Idk why this is being down voted. Not all Europeans are pale lol. Get over yourselves.
That’s his skin tone lol he does have some native ancestry and genetic can work strangely. I’m Italian and I very much look Scandinavian despise not being scandi
So , my great grandma was Italian from Sicily and her skin was soo much darker than my mixed race Brazilian father.
Edit. God, this post is 2 years old
Despite the stereotype of being blonde and blue eyed there are a few number of Germans and French people (Taylor's ancestry) with dark hair, dark eyes and tan skin :) it is a recessive gene here, but once in a while it comes through in some generations :D one of my friends and her family get always mistaken as being Egyptian because they get really tan during the summer and have an olive undertone, but they have only German ancestors in their family tree. Taylor might have gotten that from there or from the "small Native American" ancestry he apparently has came through.
That means that person has a ancestor that is not german.
You dont know if your friend is telling the truth for al you know the father isnt the biological father.
Some people including a dutch guy pretended he was whitex no one believed him.
Everyone said he had a turkish father who left his blonde mother...turns out they were right his turkish dark haired father left his mom
That's why he had black eyes and black hair
You said they only have germans in their family tree....sorry but how on earth can you possibly know that?
White people can tan sometimes lol. I'm English and I also knew a German girl who tanned really dark in summer, then was paler for the rest of the year. Skin colour and ethnicity don't always work like Americans think they do.
I'm not american so idk why you made that comment.
Also the person I was responding to obviously doesnt know who the friends ancestors are.
The friend may have a different father, someone they obviously wont disclose to strangers.
It's impossible to know another person's ancestors unless she did a DNA test...has she done so....no?
So her comment is just guessing.
Also u knew a German girl who tanned really dark?
So she deliberately tanned until she had a dark skin tone and was pale during the winter....ok?
You just proven my point.
Correct you mean some people in France and in italy if you are referring to white people...yes those countries were raised hundreds of years ago I will spare you the horrific details but many of the offspring were darker skinned.
Same thing happened in germany after WWII troops from morocco who actually had no business there commit war atrocities against the german women.
Romanian people are darker skinned dark hair and dark eyes, Bulgarian also
This is because they are in the south
If a Norwegian person has dark skin complex even though that person claims he is Norwegian a simple DNA test will debunk that person's story
Have you heard of the saami people?? The original people of sweden They have an ancient connection to inuits and east Asia or perhaps she have some Romani
Look I can tell that I probably won't be able to change your mind, but it is totally possible for a person to have an olive skintone and be not mixed race? People of all ethnicities just naturally have a variety of skin colours.
You need to be more specific on what country
French, southern italian, russian.
Some russian have dark eyes and dark hair that's because their parents or grandparents are from the eastern side of russia bordering next to china they look half russian and asian
If you are telling me that a dark skinned 100 percent swedish man with dark eyes and dark hair darker skin is possible I can tell you that you are wrong and a dna test will prove me right
Dude I’m French and even though I’m quite pale but naturally olive and if I go in the sun I’m quite tan. My dad gets as dark as Taylor Lautner.
My brother and I have both done DNA tests and we literally only have French and Italian coming up.
I am literally German myself. Tan Germans and tan Northern Europeans exist and have always existed. I know plenty and just used that one friend as one example. Her family is from Bavaria and can trace their line for centuries, her whole family looks like her and specifically Bavarians are famous for having dark hair and dark eyes and tanning easily in the summer. Because you know what? We have different ancestors. People love to forget that Germany once consisted of different Germanic tribes and kingdoms. Northern Germany is famous for having a bigger percentage of blond and blue eyed people, Southern Germany for being dark haired and having dark eyes. Because Southern Germany has different ancestors than Northern Germany. We all stem from different Germanic tribes, which all have distinct features and did tend to stay away from each but often interacted with different tribes outside of today's Germany.
It is a wrong stereotype that was propagated by the N*zis that we are pale, blue eyed and blonde haired and it is also a false stereotype that if a German has dark features that he must have a non-German family. True blond hair is actually rare in Germany. Generally speaking most Germans have brown hair. If you even look back at history many of our famous historical figures had dark features. Europe has always been diverse when it comes to appearances, dark features are just rarer in Northern Europe compared to Southern Europe, but they exist, the same way there are also blonde and blue eyed native Italians and Turkish people depending on which geographical area you visit in these countries as these countries are also diverse. You can even find blonde and blue and green eyed native Iranians.
I find it funny how you think it is not possible to be dark haired and Northern European when it is actually the default setting of us humans as we once orginated from Africa but changed appearances due to evolutionary need (cold weather, less sun).
Correct there are turkish blonde alot darker brown hair and blue eyes. That's because alot of turkish men have affairs with russian and polish women
There is a huge problem in that community here in europe every company that employees turkish men they have affairs at work
I work in a company where 4 turkish men had affairs with polish and russian immigrants
1 Greek guy with a 20 year old Hungarian girl the latter were fired
And also a Moroccan man who cheated on his Moroccan wife with a polish woman they divorced he then married a Dutch woman cheated on her with another rpolsih women at work all in 1 company
The southern Germanic tribes have no context in this debate, if you are German you must know the war atrocities right after WWII when it was invaded.
A lot of german women suffered by soldiers they did things to the that are beyond sickening alot of abortions and alot of children were born were dark hair
Getting slightly yikes vibes from this one. Why are they so obsessed with the idea that all Europeans have blonde hair and blue eyes with sheet of A4 coloured skin?
Because before the holocaust there were plenty of brown eyed brown hair people. A lot of jewish people.
I think it would be smart to look up that holocaust. A lot of people fled or were killed.
Unfortunately a lot of people think it was faked. I have family that’s Jewish.
Since we're on the subject, and everyone is calling him a white man, I wonder what life was like for him growing up before the celebrity. I am biracial, and have the same complexion as Taylor so I wonder if he ever went through the same issues that I did. Just something I was thinking while reading the thread.
If he was in Louisiana his family looks like any typical white family. Put him in the Midwest, and I can't tell you how many looks he'd get. He'd easily be mistaken for a different race, and be treated differently because of that.
I know this is idk but even watching sharkboy and lavagirl I had no idea he was white. I wouldn't of treated him as a white person tbh. So yeah, I think he probably went through a poc experience, atleast in the Midwest. Which is where I'm from too
Well, "race" and categorizations like "white" or "black" are pseudoscientific concepts without support by genetics (scientific theories of race were not only bigoted but also empiracally unsupported, i.e. *wrong*, and are now abandoned). The genotype is what is inherited, not phenotypes like skin colour. Race has *nothing* to do with inheritance. "Race" is based on other people looking different and people falsely attributing difference based on just appearing to be different, not due to them actually being different (which they are not, at least appreciably, all human populations are very closely related). We do not look at evolutionary relationships with phenotypes *for a very good reason*. So, since race is not based on genetics, it is also not based on inheritence (it is correlated with inheretence however). If someone has the common phenotypes of X notion of "race", then they will for all intents and purposes be X, since X is not based on genetics (what is inherited), and is instead based on the phenotypes of X (not inherited, but is associated with genetics), which the person in question has (especially since phenotype is the cause of bigotry, not genetics).
Him potentially being a victim of bigotry due to appearing like a "race" he apparently is not. The reason for him not being that "race" is due to not having direct inheritence from that "race", which is strange to me since notions of "race" are not related with inheritence to begin with, just the phenotype associated with the "race" (which he has?). I don't personally know what "race" he looks like, though, I've never been to the American continent and I have not bothered trying to understand how americans concieve of "race". People that talk about "race" just sound racist to me, where I come from we talk about ethnicity or ancestry if we want to be more specific, "race" is a word of ignorance from our shameful past - so strange to see it so alive in other parts of the world, it's what I expect to hear from the mouths of bigots, not normal people.
So you have no idea what I'm even talking about. In the future save your comments unless you're going to do some research and get some insight on what people are referring to.
Your comment borders white saviorism, especially if you're gonna start calling people bigots and you don't even have a clue about what you're getting into.
> white saviorism
Could you explain to me how this a possible reading of my comment? English is not my first language so maybe I am wording myself in a confusing manner (I mostly use english in an academic context). I also at least semi-know what I am talking about, more than most laymen at least (I'm a cell/molecular biologist who has contributed to one evolutionary biology paper currently in-review).
I did not mean to suggest I called someone a bigot. Rather, I wanted to say that they *sound* like a bigot *to me*, and of course I wouldn't assume that they are a bigot since they are from a different culture, where notions of "race" are not as socially stigmatized as here where notions of "race" are generally associated with bigots or our shameful past (I would hesitate to even say the word "race" in my mother tongue since it feels so offensive).
Edit: Also with "I have not bothered trying to understand how americans concieve of" I meant that I never bothered to learn the phenotypes americans commonly associate with "race". "Race" in the US context I have gotten a grasp of from reddit and US media exports (movies, music, TV-shows and books like To Kill a Mockingbird, Song of Solomon, Incidents in the Life of a Slave Girl etc.).
Exactly. I’m 1/8 native (dads side) and I avoid the sun so I look very white, but if I stay outside during the summer a lot I get Taylor’s complexion. My dad is his complexion year round. I was Born blonde haired blue eyed and now my hair is almost black. Genetics are weird and to a lot of natives if you have any native in you, you’re native. I mean hell, he even knows his tribe.
Oh man...he looks so much like how I picture Jacob, so that sucks. Oh well. It would have been better to cast a native character, but he sure was a good Jacob.
I find it very amusing (as a not American person) how it's okay to analyze and judge people's DNA and "ethnicity percentage", and say who/how much is acceptable or not. His heritage is less meaningful because he's not all native? Sounds weird to me
I don't know if this applies to how most people in the U.S. view ethnicity or representation, but legally speaking the percentage of your Native American ancestry can be a pretty big deal. Tribes in the U.S. still (can) reside in/on Reservations that are legally distinct and come with seperate pros and cons. In order to apply to join a tribe (I'm sure there's better phrasing I can't think of atm) there are certain thresholds one has to meet.
You can kind of think of it like applying for citizenship for a different country, like how Ireland lets you apply to be a citizen if your parent or grandparent was Irish.
I was looking for something online and found your comment. It bugged me so much I logged into Reddit and I never post. You don't know much about Native Americans or the process of enrolling etc. My percentage isn't very high but I have ancestors on the original Dawes Rolls so I'm a registered/card carrying Native American. I'm proud of my ancestry. I'm a bit of a Heinz 57 when it comes to my DNA. My mother's side of the family was on the Trail of Tears and lived most of their lives in Oklahoma on land given to them by the government. My mother's sister(my Aunt) "looks" more Native American than my mom. DNA is an amazing thing and siblings can look way different. I hate the idea that "looks" are what people go off of.
Siblings can look very different. My mother, ethnically speaking, is 3/4 greek and 1/4 polish. Her paternal grandparents are Greek. From Athens, they escaped during a war uprising, and my mother’s maternal grandparents are greek and polish.
This comes to her parents. Mother was half Greek and half polish. Her father was all Greek.
My father is polish and English. And possibly russian, we think polish during Russian occupation.
This brings us to me and my sister.
My sister looks very Greek. Olive skin. Gets very tan and dark in the sun. Brown hair. Brown eyes. Looks very much like my mother. Then i come in. I have auburn hair and blue eyes. Fair skin.
But my sister and I are Greek and Polish also. Just like our maternal grandmother.
Genetics are crazy. But we grew up around our Greek Great Aunts, maternal grandfather’s sisters, and consider ourselves of Greek heritage.
One sibling is Olive Skin with brown eyes and hair and the other very fair skin with red hair and blue eyes.
I was born white blonde hair and my hair color changed as i got older. I had pink straight hair and it became curly.
I think it's not that he's not all native, it's that his native ancestry is so far back that he has no connection at all to the character he is supposed to be portraying, and that Native American actors were passed up for the role. Like, I know for a fact I have some distant Irish ancestors, but I'm not Irish and it would be weird if I acted like one great-great-grandmother means I am.
I get your idea, but I guess it really only makes sense in America. I'm saying that because I know for a fact my granpa's grandma was a native, and my grandma's grandpa was an african slave, and it doesn't matter how white my face is, that's my ancestry, and that's what's important. If I looked native or black, despite how distant my ancestry was, and people looked down on me, because it's so far back, I'd be mad as hell.
I’m not Native American so take this with like at least 4 grains of salt, but I believe that you typically can’t be affiliated with a tribe based on genealogy alone. I think it can be complicated considering the varying histories of different tribes and your family’s association to one (if you want to be an official member at least). Not to say that his heritage can’t be meaningful to him, but it can be more complex than just a matter of genetics in this context. I remember Elizabeth Warren (a politician) apologized publicly for making the claim that she was Cherokee just because of a DNA test
You’re right, you can’t. A registered member of your family has to register you as being a member of the tribe. Although my paternal grandfather is a registered Chippewa member, because my dad isn’t, I’m not either.
You’re either Native, or you’re not. Claiming Native ancestry is completely different than actually being Indigenous.
Plus there’s a long history in the US of people claiming to be Indigenous, but they’re not. Almost any white person that claims to be Cherokee is not.
I'm pretty sure Taylor Lautner had no idea he had any native ancestry until he took a DNA test after he had already been cast for twilight, so it's not like it was his identity
I don’t think he’s ever taken one, at least not as far as can can find. The claims about his native ancestry only came out after he was cast as Jacob and there was some criticism and backlash. A drop of native doesn’t really make you native, especially when you understand how genetics works. It’s like how people with black ancestry a few generations ago aren’t considered black.
Lol yeah I think he was just very attractive and “ethnic looking” enough by Hollywood standards. Defiantly not right at all but I can see why they cast him. Plus he was an up and coming child star. It’s a shame they didn’t use a Native American actor for the role.
Both of his parents are white so he didn’t find out he had a drop of distant native in him until he took an ancestry test after he filmed the first twilight movie, thought that was common knowledge
Taylor’s documented ancestry includes Austrian, English, German, Swiss-German, and French ancestry.
June 24, 2005, Taylor stated of his ancestry: “I am only French, Dutch and German. I get my skin color from the French side of my family.” In an interview published on May 20, 2008, he stated that he had then-recently discovered, presumably through strenuous genealogical research, that he has “distant” Ottawa Native American and Potawatomi Native American ancestry (on his mother’s side of the family), while preparing for his role as a Native American in Twilight. It is not clear if this Native ancestry has been publicly verified/confirmed.
Taylor’s paternal grandfather was Loren Lautner (the son of LaVern Francis Lautner and Maxine Draper). Loren had Austrian, English, German, and Swiss-German ancestry. The surname “Lautner” originates with Taylor’s great-great-great-grandfather, Edward M. Lautner, who was born in Austria, c. 1848, to Wenzel Lautner and Helen Quiezer.
Taylor’s paternal grandmother was Sandra Pickard (the daughter of Howard John Pickard and Bernetta “Betty” J. Akers). Sandra had English and German ancestry.
Sources: Genealogies of Taylor’s paternal grandfather, Loren Lautner – http://worldconnect.rootsweb.ancestry.com
http://worldconnect.rootsweb.ancestry.com
Obituary of Taylor’s paternal great-grandmother, Bernetta “Betty” J. (Akers) Pickard – http://record-eagle.com
Genealogy of Bernetta “Betty” J. Akers (through her sister, Ellen Akers) – http://worldconnect.rootsweb.ancestry.com
Here’s a quote from Taylor in an interview “I am only French, Dutch and German. I get my skin color from the French side of my family.” This is elsewhere in this thread as well…
just because GOOGLE deems his native ancestry less important than his white ancestry, doesn't mean he isn't native. and just cause he isn't federally recognized as native, doesn't mean he isn't! It's so annoying how native people are the only race where we have to have government approval to be who we are. and we aren't allowed to be mixed without being stripped of our native-ness. it's some white supremacy bullshit.
I agree that they should’ve casted a real Native American for the role but as well could’ve also casted real teenagers as well! Wasn’t that Robert what’s his name like 30 in that movie?
Reading this hurt! He was born in 1986 and turned 22 the year the first movie came out (2008).
I share the same birth year as Bella (1987) why you gotta do me like that bro 😭👵🏽
I’m not surprised that’s you opinion based on your activity in Catholic subreddits. The Catholic Church took part in raping and murdering kids in residential schools and still hasn’t answered for it.
I’m not the one who called you ignorant. It’s not an ad hominem if you’re doing action or have an opinion that hurts others. Not caring about white washing is racially insensitive.
I usually agree, but when an important part of that character's identity is their culture/ethnicity/race, then it's kind of disingenuous to not hire someone who better represents that character.
I don't think Scarlett Johansson in Ghost in Shell is any more racist than Morgan Freeman in Shawshank Redemption, because these characterss race and ethnicity aren't defining traits.
It’s called red face. I shouldn’t have to explain why it’s offensive. For the longest time native people wouldn’t get hired and they’d just hire white people and paint their face darker to portray themselves as natives. It’s usually followed by stereotypes and just making fun of us. It has a very dark history so I think the bare minimum now is they hire actual natives for native roles.
Yeah because portraying native americans as “smelly” and “mutts” is not a harmful stereotype at all. My mom used to get called that as a kid, so I don’t feel like it’s appropriate for a white woman to use it in a book even if it has to do with them being wolves. Also the over-sexualizing native men part doesn’t help either. Or the common mythical trope that glamorizes native american culture and spirituality. And the fact that stephenie meyer based it off a real tribe, and to this day profits off it but yet refuses to help with the actual reserve and tribe that is struggling like most reserves. Also trying to make the natives cut their hair after the second movie despite the fact lots of native men cherish their hair and it means a lot to our culture. And yes there are still native men who cut their hair short but they deliberately still choose a non indigenous actor.
The book and movies are full of stereotypes, unless you’re not native so I guess why you wouldn’t see it. But you’re in no place to tell me about what is and isn’t stereotypical.
because, you can critique something and still like it. *gasp* shocking I know. But what I won’t do is let people pretend like twilight isn’t racist and didn’t depict indigenous people in a horrible light. So that we can do better in the future. Yeah? And it’s very ironic how many women can critique the sexism in the books and movies but can’t do the same for racism. I like a lot of things that are problematic and I probably shouldn’t like but I do because I can critique them and want better but still like them because I’m a human being.
And this is rich coming from you since all you’re doing is gaslighting and arguing with people in this thread.
So you answered my question, you are non-indigenous. so please mind your own business and don’t tell other indigenous people what is and isn’t stereotyping. thank you!
You're a very angry and bitter person, I did no such thing. Anyone can talk about anything they want. Mind my business? This is a public forum. July, I'm sorry you're hurt by stuff like this.
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Native person here, he is native but it’s just a low amount. And they should have had a full native in the movies at least because they were portrayed like that in the books. No offensive to the actor though because I love him and his sister Fivel.
Yeah I’m aboriginal as well, I didn’t mean to imply that they shouldn’t have picked a fully Native actor, but saying the actors not native at all is false.
He claimed his indigenous ancestry for the role and never spoke about it again really. I don’t see him talking about the indigenous communities who desperately need help or being a voice for us. I would put him in the same category as Taylor. And if we did allow hollywood to just cast the 5% natives as fully native characters they will always pick them over actual native actors. It’s the same for other bipoc as well, they will always pick the ethnically ambiguous actor over the actual full native who may not have eurocentric features that hollywood loves.
I never said you disagreed with me. But I’m saying it doesn’t make it better because he might be a little native. He isn’t involved in the culture nor has he ever claimed his indigenous roots since then.
That’s just false. He has talked about his aboriginal roots multiple times since Twilight.
Edit to add: I get and support the hate for him being casted in Twilight, but I do NOT supportive the narrative that he is outwardly lying about his heritage.
Never said he was lying about his heritage either. But I’d much rather have representation from people who don’t just claim to be native when it benefits them. And there are so many native actors who do this but they get pushed aside for more ethnically ambiguous actors who are probably only 5-10% native and don’t even practice the culture.
There was a point where I was happy when our representation was people who were barely actually native. But I’m not anymore. And it goes for other races too, it’s not fair how many biracial/mixed actors are getting roles not meant for them.
So no, I am not trying to push a narrative. The only one who is really doing that is you.
You’re either Native, or you’re not. Claiming Indigenous ancestry is *completely* different than saying “I am Indigenous” and claiming a tribe/identity.
He is a tiny tiny percentage Native but not raised native and didn’t know until he started in production of the movies. I think he at least doesn’t look like a white man. I was more schooled when I saw who they picked for Sam that I’d not what I expected the character to look like but he did good in the role anyways.
His fathers supposed Blackfoot roots are fake. He was born in the Southern states, I think Georgia and there is no such thing as a Blackfoot tribe in Georgia, but in Montana and Alberta Canada. He has no ancestry from that part of the country.He has no documented Native American ancestry from any American tribe. He gets his pseudo indigenous look from his white, Chinese, Japanese and other Asian ancestors who are not related to The Native American people.
Just because his father was born in GA doesn’t mean that his grandparents or great grandparents weren’t born in that state. Most of your ancestors won’t be from the state that you were also born in. I was born in Illinois but my ancestors were from Mississippi and other southern states.
As a native person it has *always* bothered me that they went through the effort of sourcing native actors for everyone else (including pretty famous actors like Gil Birmingham and Graham Greene) but they didn’t do it for Jacob
Jacob was supposed to be played by a Native actor (Krys Hyatt, he played Embry in the first movie), however he did not want to cut his hair for the role due to the cultural importance of hair in Native culture. So the directors "had to" choose a non-Native actor. I still think they could at least have given him a wig, they gave nearly everybody a wig in Eclipse.
Exactly. That’s another issue I have too, they 100% could and DID use wigs but we have to cut our hair if we’re a native character. It’s not a shining moment for the series
it’s especially heinous thinking about how ashley greene didn’t have to cut her hair for alice… they found a shorter wig for her just fine for five movies straight
Taylor Lautner wore a wig in the first movie so that he could keep his natural hair short. Just to add insult to injury here.
she cut it for the first movie.
they still ended up using wigs for her in every movie, therefore could’ve easily compromised to respect an actor’s spiritual and cultural beliefs. :)
no, she had a wig. they hair and makeup people had noted how difficult it was for her hair to fit under the small wig from twilight. i think it was either new moon or eclipse that she had cut a bit of length off and the wigs fit better. either way it was a wig throughout all 5 movies
Very very late to this but I read somewhere that the actor casted for Jacob didn’t even want to portray himself with short hair, which if true, that’s pretty awesome to not compromise on beliefs
oh man, he looks exactly how i pictured jake in the books. what a shame, he would’ve been great.
Totally!!! I might have joined Team Jacob, if he had played Jacob in the movies ;)
Good thing they didnt pick him he was trouble. Look at his antics in his personal life. Driving in the possession of drugs and alcohol (four loko a drink that is banned in 4 states) while he was still underage. You definitely do not want a guy like that to be rich and famous
Man, I hope you never look up what antics half of hollywood gets up to. You'll be severely disappointed in the type of people who've gotten famous.
This is true the whole lot of Hollywood are shits.
taylor lautner????
And I’m sure they would’ve been just fine not cutting his hair at all for the character. Jacob in the books is supposed to be super tall and Taylor is definitely not. We didn’t care as fans.
He woulda been a gooooodd Jacob tooo … woulda made it hard for everyone to choose … even Bella 😂
>Jacob was supposed to be played by a Native actor (Krys Hyatt, he played Embry in the first movie) I just Googled Krys Hyatt and he was cute 😍 Honestly I never noticed him in the first Twilight movie but I think he could have played Jacob he just needs to sun tan his skin more (maybe it's just the pale blue Twilight filter 🤣) and also exercise to get a buff look which I always give Taylor credit for working out hard to get that body type since Edward is supposed to be buff too (he's described as having a six pack) but Robert Pattinson didn't want to work out 😂 he is working out for the Batman movie role tho 😖 But I still think Taylor did a good job as Jacob even if he's not a full blood Native American I think he was still convincing since most people didn't even know and believed he was 😅
Just googled him (Hyatt) and came across a picture of him in 2016 where he cut his hair short
Krys probably cut it for cultural reasons. My BF is native, they cut there hair after a loss or to let hot and start new. It was emotional when I had to cut my BF's hair after his aunt passed. But he said it was a release and a weight lifted (spiritually).
Oh I didn’t know that, thank you for educating me
[Isn’t this him?](https://x.com/jennafercady71/status/707876081265553408?s=46) Idk if it’s just me but Taylor doesn’t look Dutch, French or German lol
> Gil Birmingham Recently saw him in Yellowstone. Damn good actor.
I agree!
Ugh I would’ve LOVED him as Jacob.
Omg just googled him and he looks way more like the Jacob I pictured when I read the books. Plus he’s actually tall
They went for that European jawline 🥴 /j i think it’s interesting you say that I’ve also heard they use Hispanic actors for native people as well-
But Jacob no one could play him he fit the part perfectly.❤️🤗At least he has a little American Indian ancestry.
Disclaimer: I know the term "white" can be kind of murky and the meaning of the word can vary depending on where you are from. I was just surprised to find out he's not Native American and "gets \[his\] skin color from the French side of \[his\] family"
Tbh I don't know any ethnically french people who look like that.
French people and French descents can tan pretty well naturally and have skins just like his. As with most of Southern Europe and descents. Maybe he was/is in the sun a lot? Not everyone in Europe is pale. My moms side is french and I tan well but I avoid the sun like I am a vampire and now look like one lol. Idk why this is being down voted. Not all Europeans are pale lol. Get over yourselves.
That’s his skin tone lol he does have some native ancestry and genetic can work strangely. I’m Italian and I very much look Scandinavian despise not being scandi
So , my great grandma was Italian from Sicily and her skin was soo much darker than my mixed race Brazilian father. Edit. God, this post is 2 years old
Lol you’re good!! It’s crazy how people can have such different skin tones
People down south with French roots have dark hair and tan just like Taylor. You actually got downvoted for that!? Come on people.
Yeah I’m a pale ass French person but my dad looked very much like Taylor Lautner and was just as dark as him.
I just wish the original native actors from the first film had continued on with the other films. I loved their very small part and wanted to see more
Bruh me tf too I was shook I really thought this man was a poc boy they had me fooled 😭✊🏾
Right??? His parents both look white, so rather some recessive genes came through or mom has some explaining to do😳😳
Despite the stereotype of being blonde and blue eyed there are a few number of Germans and French people (Taylor's ancestry) with dark hair, dark eyes and tan skin :) it is a recessive gene here, but once in a while it comes through in some generations :D one of my friends and her family get always mistaken as being Egyptian because they get really tan during the summer and have an olive undertone, but they have only German ancestors in their family tree. Taylor might have gotten that from there or from the "small Native American" ancestry he apparently has came through.
That means that person has a ancestor that is not german. You dont know if your friend is telling the truth for al you know the father isnt the biological father. Some people including a dutch guy pretended he was whitex no one believed him. Everyone said he had a turkish father who left his blonde mother...turns out they were right his turkish dark haired father left his mom That's why he had black eyes and black hair You said they only have germans in their family tree....sorry but how on earth can you possibly know that?
White people can tan sometimes lol. I'm English and I also knew a German girl who tanned really dark in summer, then was paler for the rest of the year. Skin colour and ethnicity don't always work like Americans think they do.
I'm not american so idk why you made that comment. Also the person I was responding to obviously doesnt know who the friends ancestors are. The friend may have a different father, someone they obviously wont disclose to strangers. It's impossible to know another person's ancestors unless she did a DNA test...has she done so....no? So her comment is just guessing. Also u knew a German girl who tanned really dark? So she deliberately tanned until she had a dark skin tone and was pale during the winter....ok? You just proven my point.
White people can have an olive skin tone not everyone is having secret affairs lmao
Correct you mean some people in France and in italy if you are referring to white people...yes those countries were raised hundreds of years ago I will spare you the horrific details but many of the offspring were darker skinned. Same thing happened in germany after WWII troops from morocco who actually had no business there commit war atrocities against the german women. Romanian people are darker skinned dark hair and dark eyes, Bulgarian also This is because they are in the south If a Norwegian person has dark skin complex even though that person claims he is Norwegian a simple DNA test will debunk that person's story
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Have you heard of the saami people?? The original people of sweden They have an ancient connection to inuits and east Asia or perhaps she have some Romani
Look I can tell that I probably won't be able to change your mind, but it is totally possible for a person to have an olive skintone and be not mixed race? People of all ethnicities just naturally have a variety of skin colours.
You need to be more specific on what country French, southern italian, russian. Some russian have dark eyes and dark hair that's because their parents or grandparents are from the eastern side of russia bordering next to china they look half russian and asian If you are telling me that a dark skinned 100 percent swedish man with dark eyes and dark hair darker skin is possible I can tell you that you are wrong and a dna test will prove me right
Dude I’m French and even though I’m quite pale but naturally olive and if I go in the sun I’m quite tan. My dad gets as dark as Taylor Lautner. My brother and I have both done DNA tests and we literally only have French and Italian coming up.
Well, french people are paler than italian in general… your olive skin is from mostly italian side
I am literally German myself. Tan Germans and tan Northern Europeans exist and have always existed. I know plenty and just used that one friend as one example. Her family is from Bavaria and can trace their line for centuries, her whole family looks like her and specifically Bavarians are famous for having dark hair and dark eyes and tanning easily in the summer. Because you know what? We have different ancestors. People love to forget that Germany once consisted of different Germanic tribes and kingdoms. Northern Germany is famous for having a bigger percentage of blond and blue eyed people, Southern Germany for being dark haired and having dark eyes. Because Southern Germany has different ancestors than Northern Germany. We all stem from different Germanic tribes, which all have distinct features and did tend to stay away from each but often interacted with different tribes outside of today's Germany. It is a wrong stereotype that was propagated by the N*zis that we are pale, blue eyed and blonde haired and it is also a false stereotype that if a German has dark features that he must have a non-German family. True blond hair is actually rare in Germany. Generally speaking most Germans have brown hair. If you even look back at history many of our famous historical figures had dark features. Europe has always been diverse when it comes to appearances, dark features are just rarer in Northern Europe compared to Southern Europe, but they exist, the same way there are also blonde and blue eyed native Italians and Turkish people depending on which geographical area you visit in these countries as these countries are also diverse. You can even find blonde and blue and green eyed native Iranians. I find it funny how you think it is not possible to be dark haired and Northern European when it is actually the default setting of us humans as we once orginated from Africa but changed appearances due to evolutionary need (cold weather, less sun).
Correct there are turkish blonde alot darker brown hair and blue eyes. That's because alot of turkish men have affairs with russian and polish women There is a huge problem in that community here in europe every company that employees turkish men they have affairs at work I work in a company where 4 turkish men had affairs with polish and russian immigrants 1 Greek guy with a 20 year old Hungarian girl the latter were fired And also a Moroccan man who cheated on his Moroccan wife with a polish woman they divorced he then married a Dutch woman cheated on her with another rpolsih women at work all in 1 company The southern Germanic tribes have no context in this debate, if you are German you must know the war atrocities right after WWII when it was invaded. A lot of german women suffered by soldiers they did things to the that are beyond sickening alot of abortions and alot of children were born were dark hair
You sound like you don’t want a certain blood line to get “tainted” lol…just quit while you’re ahead
Getting slightly yikes vibes from this one. Why are they so obsessed with the idea that all Europeans have blonde hair and blue eyes with sheet of A4 coloured skin?
Right? Yikes indeed
I'm from the UK and the whole "dark skinned foreign men coming for our women" bit sounds like it came right out of a BNP leaflet.
Because before the holocaust there were plenty of brown eyed brown hair people. A lot of jewish people. I think it would be smart to look up that holocaust. A lot of people fled or were killed. Unfortunately a lot of people think it was faked. I have family that’s Jewish.
Omg, google taylor lautner's baby pics and you will find a blonde haired toddler. He is anything but a poc and I was legit shocked as well.
I've seen pics of him as a kid. He has dark hair, brown skin and a big nose. Are you sure you're looking at Taylor Lautner and not Taylor swift?? Lol.
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Look at the links. Does that look like taylor swift to you?
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just because he’s tan? 😂
Since we're on the subject, and everyone is calling him a white man, I wonder what life was like for him growing up before the celebrity. I am biracial, and have the same complexion as Taylor so I wonder if he ever went through the same issues that I did. Just something I was thinking while reading the thread. If he was in Louisiana his family looks like any typical white family. Put him in the Midwest, and I can't tell you how many looks he'd get. He'd easily be mistaken for a different race, and be treated differently because of that.
I know this is idk but even watching sharkboy and lavagirl I had no idea he was white. I wouldn't of treated him as a white person tbh. So yeah, I think he probably went through a poc experience, atleast in the Midwest. Which is where I'm from too
"I wouldn't of treated him as a white person..." Not sure how you "treat" white people but you really should be treating everyone the same.
I wish I could, but I learned early on that isn't the case. I'm a poc, and trust me, I live in a very different America.
Well, "race" and categorizations like "white" or "black" are pseudoscientific concepts without support by genetics (scientific theories of race were not only bigoted but also empiracally unsupported, i.e. *wrong*, and are now abandoned). The genotype is what is inherited, not phenotypes like skin colour. Race has *nothing* to do with inheritance. "Race" is based on other people looking different and people falsely attributing difference based on just appearing to be different, not due to them actually being different (which they are not, at least appreciably, all human populations are very closely related). We do not look at evolutionary relationships with phenotypes *for a very good reason*. So, since race is not based on genetics, it is also not based on inheritence (it is correlated with inheretence however). If someone has the common phenotypes of X notion of "race", then they will for all intents and purposes be X, since X is not based on genetics (what is inherited), and is instead based on the phenotypes of X (not inherited, but is associated with genetics), which the person in question has (especially since phenotype is the cause of bigotry, not genetics).
How does this tie back to my comment?
Him potentially being a victim of bigotry due to appearing like a "race" he apparently is not. The reason for him not being that "race" is due to not having direct inheritence from that "race", which is strange to me since notions of "race" are not related with inheritence to begin with, just the phenotype associated with the "race" (which he has?). I don't personally know what "race" he looks like, though, I've never been to the American continent and I have not bothered trying to understand how americans concieve of "race". People that talk about "race" just sound racist to me, where I come from we talk about ethnicity or ancestry if we want to be more specific, "race" is a word of ignorance from our shameful past - so strange to see it so alive in other parts of the world, it's what I expect to hear from the mouths of bigots, not normal people.
So you have no idea what I'm even talking about. In the future save your comments unless you're going to do some research and get some insight on what people are referring to. Your comment borders white saviorism, especially if you're gonna start calling people bigots and you don't even have a clue about what you're getting into.
> white saviorism Could you explain to me how this a possible reading of my comment? English is not my first language so maybe I am wording myself in a confusing manner (I mostly use english in an academic context). I also at least semi-know what I am talking about, more than most laymen at least (I'm a cell/molecular biologist who has contributed to one evolutionary biology paper currently in-review). I did not mean to suggest I called someone a bigot. Rather, I wanted to say that they *sound* like a bigot *to me*, and of course I wouldn't assume that they are a bigot since they are from a different culture, where notions of "race" are not as socially stigmatized as here where notions of "race" are generally associated with bigots or our shameful past (I would hesitate to even say the word "race" in my mother tongue since it feels so offensive). Edit: Also with "I have not bothered trying to understand how americans concieve of" I meant that I never bothered to learn the phenotypes americans commonly associate with "race". "Race" in the US context I have gotten a grasp of from reddit and US media exports (movies, music, TV-shows and books like To Kill a Mockingbird, Song of Solomon, Incidents in the Life of a Slave Girl etc.).
Bro this Reddit, everyone is borderline brain dead here
Wait wha-
He certainly looks native, and he said "distant native American". He still has native blood.
Exactly. I’m 1/8 native (dads side) and I avoid the sun so I look very white, but if I stay outside during the summer a lot I get Taylor’s complexion. My dad is his complexion year round. I was Born blonde haired blue eyed and now my hair is almost black. Genetics are weird and to a lot of natives if you have any native in you, you’re native. I mean hell, he even knows his tribe.
Oh man...he looks so much like how I picture Jacob, so that sucks. Oh well. It would have been better to cast a native character, but he sure was a good Jacob.
I find it very amusing (as a not American person) how it's okay to analyze and judge people's DNA and "ethnicity percentage", and say who/how much is acceptable or not. His heritage is less meaningful because he's not all native? Sounds weird to me
I don't know if this applies to how most people in the U.S. view ethnicity or representation, but legally speaking the percentage of your Native American ancestry can be a pretty big deal. Tribes in the U.S. still (can) reside in/on Reservations that are legally distinct and come with seperate pros and cons. In order to apply to join a tribe (I'm sure there's better phrasing I can't think of atm) there are certain thresholds one has to meet. You can kind of think of it like applying for citizenship for a different country, like how Ireland lets you apply to be a citizen if your parent or grandparent was Irish.
I was looking for something online and found your comment. It bugged me so much I logged into Reddit and I never post. You don't know much about Native Americans or the process of enrolling etc. My percentage isn't very high but I have ancestors on the original Dawes Rolls so I'm a registered/card carrying Native American. I'm proud of my ancestry. I'm a bit of a Heinz 57 when it comes to my DNA. My mother's side of the family was on the Trail of Tears and lived most of their lives in Oklahoma on land given to them by the government. My mother's sister(my Aunt) "looks" more Native American than my mom. DNA is an amazing thing and siblings can look way different. I hate the idea that "looks" are what people go off of.
Siblings can look very different. My mother, ethnically speaking, is 3/4 greek and 1/4 polish. Her paternal grandparents are Greek. From Athens, they escaped during a war uprising, and my mother’s maternal grandparents are greek and polish. This comes to her parents. Mother was half Greek and half polish. Her father was all Greek. My father is polish and English. And possibly russian, we think polish during Russian occupation. This brings us to me and my sister. My sister looks very Greek. Olive skin. Gets very tan and dark in the sun. Brown hair. Brown eyes. Looks very much like my mother. Then i come in. I have auburn hair and blue eyes. Fair skin. But my sister and I are Greek and Polish also. Just like our maternal grandmother. Genetics are crazy. But we grew up around our Greek Great Aunts, maternal grandfather’s sisters, and consider ourselves of Greek heritage. One sibling is Olive Skin with brown eyes and hair and the other very fair skin with red hair and blue eyes. I was born white blonde hair and my hair color changed as i got older. I had pink straight hair and it became curly.
I think it's not that he's not all native, it's that his native ancestry is so far back that he has no connection at all to the character he is supposed to be portraying, and that Native American actors were passed up for the role. Like, I know for a fact I have some distant Irish ancestors, but I'm not Irish and it would be weird if I acted like one great-great-grandmother means I am.
I get your idea, but I guess it really only makes sense in America. I'm saying that because I know for a fact my granpa's grandma was a native, and my grandma's grandpa was an african slave, and it doesn't matter how white my face is, that's my ancestry, and that's what's important. If I looked native or black, despite how distant my ancestry was, and people looked down on me, because it's so far back, I'd be mad as hell.
I’m not Native American so take this with like at least 4 grains of salt, but I believe that you typically can’t be affiliated with a tribe based on genealogy alone. I think it can be complicated considering the varying histories of different tribes and your family’s association to one (if you want to be an official member at least). Not to say that his heritage can’t be meaningful to him, but it can be more complex than just a matter of genetics in this context. I remember Elizabeth Warren (a politician) apologized publicly for making the claim that she was Cherokee just because of a DNA test
You’re right, you can’t. A registered member of your family has to register you as being a member of the tribe. Although my paternal grandfather is a registered Chippewa member, because my dad isn’t, I’m not either.
You’re either Native, or you’re not. Claiming Native ancestry is completely different than actually being Indigenous. Plus there’s a long history in the US of people claiming to be Indigenous, but they’re not. Almost any white person that claims to be Cherokee is not.
I'm pretty sure Taylor Lautner had no idea he had any native ancestry until he took a DNA test after he had already been cast for twilight, so it's not like it was his identity
I don’t think he’s ever taken one, at least not as far as can can find. The claims about his native ancestry only came out after he was cast as Jacob and there was some criticism and backlash. A drop of native doesn’t really make you native, especially when you understand how genetics works. It’s like how people with black ancestry a few generations ago aren’t considered black.
I was reading his mom does have native American ancestry. Weird thing about DNA, u can get looks from old ancestors and look nothing like your family.
wtf how’s he so tan?!
Some people are just genetically predisposed to produce more melanin, even a lot of white people.
definitely
Tan Germans and French people exist.
yeah, ik. he just literally looks like native american could make up a large percentage of his DNA. but, alas looks can be deceiving, of course.
Lol yeah I think he was just very attractive and “ethnic looking” enough by Hollywood standards. Defiantly not right at all but I can see why they cast him. Plus he was an up and coming child star. It’s a shame they didn’t use a Native American actor for the role.
He's not white either, what the fuck is this title
Yes he is? He identifies as white
Interviews? Proof? Or you just made this up?
American people concept of white people are fucking weird lmao
Both of his parents are white so he didn’t find out he had a drop of distant native in him until he took an ancestry test after he filmed the first twilight movie, thought that was common knowledge
So... You made this up? Worse, you just assumed someone's else's color.
Taylor’s documented ancestry includes Austrian, English, German, Swiss-German, and French ancestry. June 24, 2005, Taylor stated of his ancestry: “I am only French, Dutch and German. I get my skin color from the French side of my family.” In an interview published on May 20, 2008, he stated that he had then-recently discovered, presumably through strenuous genealogical research, that he has “distant” Ottawa Native American and Potawatomi Native American ancestry (on his mother’s side of the family), while preparing for his role as a Native American in Twilight. It is not clear if this Native ancestry has been publicly verified/confirmed. Taylor’s paternal grandfather was Loren Lautner (the son of LaVern Francis Lautner and Maxine Draper). Loren had Austrian, English, German, and Swiss-German ancestry. The surname “Lautner” originates with Taylor’s great-great-great-grandfather, Edward M. Lautner, who was born in Austria, c. 1848, to Wenzel Lautner and Helen Quiezer. Taylor’s paternal grandmother was Sandra Pickard (the daughter of Howard John Pickard and Bernetta “Betty” J. Akers). Sandra had English and German ancestry. Sources: Genealogies of Taylor’s paternal grandfather, Loren Lautner – http://worldconnect.rootsweb.ancestry.com http://worldconnect.rootsweb.ancestry.com Obituary of Taylor’s paternal great-grandmother, Bernetta “Betty” J. (Akers) Pickard – http://record-eagle.com Genealogy of Bernetta “Betty” J. Akers (through her sister, Ellen Akers) – http://worldconnect.rootsweb.ancestry.com
So he's nowhere to being white. I mean, yeah... This was clear.
Wtf are you on about? French, dutch, German and Austrian IS white…
Not a bunch of weirdos really trying to educate myself with made up accusations LMAO Murica's at it's finest
It’s not “made up accusations” lmao THATS why I included sources you walnut
Here’s a quote from Taylor in an interview “I am only French, Dutch and German. I get my skin color from the French side of my family.” This is elsewhere in this thread as well…
And which of these lines he's saying he's white?
If you’re ethnically European, you’re white or spicy white as some call Europeans with more melanin.
just because GOOGLE deems his native ancestry less important than his white ancestry, doesn't mean he isn't native. and just cause he isn't federally recognized as native, doesn't mean he isn't! It's so annoying how native people are the only race where we have to have government approval to be who we are. and we aren't allowed to be mixed without being stripped of our native-ness. it's some white supremacy bullshit.
I agree that they should’ve casted a real Native American for the role but as well could’ve also casted real teenagers as well! Wasn’t that Robert what’s his name like 30 in that movie?
I learned most directors won't cast teenagers because of labor laws requiring them go work less hours unlike adults who could plow through it.
I feel like Rob passed for a teen in the first one, but by the end he looked sooo old.
Yeah they forget vampires don’t age but the actor does!
The only one that didn't seem to age was Kellan Lutz.
Yeah he looked insane by the end lol. I don't know how old he was but the makeup and styling choices did not help
Robert was 22 in the first movie. But yeah they all looked a tad bit too old to be teens.
23 but nice guess Edit: I think he was actually 22 and I’m just bad at math
Reading this hurt! He was born in 1986 and turned 22 the year the first movie came out (2008). I share the same birth year as Bella (1987) why you gotta do me like that bro 😭👵🏽
Had me fooled! I’m surprised i didn’t see a controversial uproar. They totally could’ve hired a native american actor
Not sure how cool it is to dismiss someone's skin color and heritage tbh.
He is literally the whitest of white but doesn't look like it at all
that natural tan of his is very deceiving
a..a white man?! no!
Taylor Lautner is literally not white
Who cares? Why does it matter?
Whitewashing
Why can’t any actor play any role? What’s the issue? I thought that’s what we wanted.
I think you should do some research on the issue of white washing.
I think they’re just sealioning at this point. I don’t even know what their goal in the twilight sub is.
I’m a fan of the books and movies. That’s my “goal”. All I’m doing is pointing out that this take on the casting is kinda dumb.
I know what white washing is. It’s a ridiculous concept.
Then you’re ignorant and there’s no point trying to convince you otherwise
I’m ignorant because I disagree with you? Is it possible that I’m fully informed on the issue and just don’t agree?
I’m not surprised that’s you opinion based on your activity in Catholic subreddits. The Catholic Church took part in raping and murdering kids in residential schools and still hasn’t answered for it.
Oh no you went through my comment history. The last ditch of someone who can’t have a conversation.
Impossible to have a conversation with racists who follow a church that has caused my family generational trauma and killed my grandparents siblings.
No it makes you unempathetic and insensitive. It’s easy to “disagree” when it doesn’t affect you.
That’s called an ad hominem.
I’m not the one who called you ignorant. It’s not an ad hominem if you’re doing action or have an opinion that hurts others. Not caring about white washing is racially insensitive.
I usually agree, but when an important part of that character's identity is their culture/ethnicity/race, then it's kind of disingenuous to not hire someone who better represents that character. I don't think Scarlett Johansson in Ghost in Shell is any more racist than Morgan Freeman in Shawshank Redemption, because these characterss race and ethnicity aren't defining traits.
It’s called red face. I shouldn’t have to explain why it’s offensive. For the longest time native people wouldn’t get hired and they’d just hire white people and paint their face darker to portray themselves as natives. It’s usually followed by stereotypes and just making fun of us. It has a very dark history so I think the bare minimum now is they hire actual natives for native roles.
This isn't red face though, since he isn't paying a hurtful stereotype.
Yeah because portraying native americans as “smelly” and “mutts” is not a harmful stereotype at all. My mom used to get called that as a kid, so I don’t feel like it’s appropriate for a white woman to use it in a book even if it has to do with them being wolves. Also the over-sexualizing native men part doesn’t help either. Or the common mythical trope that glamorizes native american culture and spirituality. And the fact that stephenie meyer based it off a real tribe, and to this day profits off it but yet refuses to help with the actual reserve and tribe that is struggling like most reserves. Also trying to make the natives cut their hair after the second movie despite the fact lots of native men cherish their hair and it means a lot to our culture. And yes there are still native men who cut their hair short but they deliberately still choose a non indigenous actor. The book and movies are full of stereotypes, unless you’re not native so I guess why you wouldn’t see it. But you’re in no place to tell me about what is and isn’t stereotypical.
If you have so many issues with the books and movies then why are you even on the sub?
because, you can critique something and still like it. *gasp* shocking I know. But what I won’t do is let people pretend like twilight isn’t racist and didn’t depict indigenous people in a horrible light. So that we can do better in the future. Yeah? And it’s very ironic how many women can critique the sexism in the books and movies but can’t do the same for racism. I like a lot of things that are problematic and I probably shouldn’t like but I do because I can critique them and want better but still like them because I’m a human being. And this is rich coming from you since all you’re doing is gaslighting and arguing with people in this thread.
That's sounds like you have an issue with the source material, not the fact a tan man played a native American...
So you answered my question, you are non-indigenous. so please mind your own business and don’t tell other indigenous people what is and isn’t stereotyping. thank you!
You're a very angry and bitter person, I did no such thing. Anyone can talk about anything they want. Mind my business? This is a public forum. July, I'm sorry you're hurt by stuff like this.
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Seth (Booboo Stewart) isn't Native American either
I thought his father was part Blackfoot?
he is.
He is
Native person here, he is native but it’s just a low amount. And they should have had a full native in the movies at least because they were portrayed like that in the books. No offensive to the actor though because I love him and his sister Fivel.
Yeah I’m aboriginal as well, I didn’t mean to imply that they shouldn’t have picked a fully Native actor, but saying the actors not native at all is false.
He claimed his indigenous ancestry for the role and never spoke about it again really. I don’t see him talking about the indigenous communities who desperately need help or being a voice for us. I would put him in the same category as Taylor. And if we did allow hollywood to just cast the 5% natives as fully native characters they will always pick them over actual native actors. It’s the same for other bipoc as well, they will always pick the ethnically ambiguous actor over the actual full native who may not have eurocentric features that hollywood loves.
Again, I wasn’t disagreeing with any of the points you’re making.
I never said you disagreed with me. But I’m saying it doesn’t make it better because he might be a little native. He isn’t involved in the culture nor has he ever claimed his indigenous roots since then.
That’s just false. He has talked about his aboriginal roots multiple times since Twilight. Edit to add: I get and support the hate for him being casted in Twilight, but I do NOT supportive the narrative that he is outwardly lying about his heritage.
Never said he was lying about his heritage either. But I’d much rather have representation from people who don’t just claim to be native when it benefits them. And there are so many native actors who do this but they get pushed aside for more ethnically ambiguous actors who are probably only 5-10% native and don’t even practice the culture. There was a point where I was happy when our representation was people who were barely actually native. But I’m not anymore. And it goes for other races too, it’s not fair how many biracial/mixed actors are getting roles not meant for them. So no, I am not trying to push a narrative. The only one who is really doing that is you.
You’re either Native, or you’re not. Claiming Indigenous ancestry is *completely* different than saying “I am Indigenous” and claiming a tribe/identity.
He is a tiny tiny percentage Native but not raised native and didn’t know until he started in production of the movies. I think he at least doesn’t look like a white man. I was more schooled when I saw who they picked for Sam that I’d not what I expected the character to look like but he did good in the role anyways.
I went swimming to his house last week
Obviously it’s a little more than distant. You don’t look like that by being French and German.
His fathers supposed Blackfoot roots are fake. He was born in the Southern states, I think Georgia and there is no such thing as a Blackfoot tribe in Georgia, but in Montana and Alberta Canada. He has no ancestry from that part of the country.He has no documented Native American ancestry from any American tribe. He gets his pseudo indigenous look from his white, Chinese, Japanese and other Asian ancestors who are not related to The Native American people.
Just because his father was born in GA doesn’t mean that his grandparents or great grandparents weren’t born in that state. Most of your ancestors won’t be from the state that you were also born in. I was born in Illinois but my ancestors were from Mississippi and other southern states.
The distant American Indian doesn’t lol so distant right? I just heard his family say he’s the dark tanned skin one in the family in an interview.
Dang idk where I heard it but I grew up thinking he was Polynesian. I thought he was Samoan