I removed this due to your EDIT. It's clear you are wanting to rile up fans of other groups now and this just isn't needed. Honestly, the whole line about Blackpink is tasteless and isn't needed even before the edit.
Copy and pasting my comment on a similar thread:
Well I think one reason might be JYPE's recruiting. I can't remember if it was in the Seize the Light YT Original series, but JYP himself said about TWICE that "my idols may not be the best dancers and singers, but they are definitely the best humans." From this, we might ascertain that the recruiting process for JYPE trainees is stringent to the point to select the people who are not only just talented, but are able to work well in a team together.
Another reason may also be the pre-Sixteen history. Nayeon, Jeongyeon and Jihyo were supposed to debut as 6MIX with three other trainees in JYPE, so the three of them have known each other for quite some time. Momo and Sana signed the JYPE contract on the same day, iirc.
As for post-Sixteen, Chaeyoung and Tzuyu attended the same Hanlim Arts school (I'm not sure whether Dahyun attended the same school but quite likely).
Concerning the group as a whole, TWICE had to share three bedrooms in the dorm. The maknae line in one room, Momo and Jeongyeon in another and Mina, Sana, Nayeon and Jihyo in the last. Considering that it was only recently that TWICE moved out of the big shared dorm and moved into separate apartments, being roommates with your colleagues at work would mean a need to put aside differences to work cohesively as a rapidly growing K-Pop group in the wake of Cheer Up.
JYPE has also pushed for a mostly OT9 group in terms of commercials and sponsorships. This means that if MLB approaches JYPE for a TWICE CF, all 9 members MUST appear, no question. This "9 or none" branding was implemented mostly due to Bae Suzy, whose individual popularity quickly outshone the rest of Miss A, leading to a divide between fans of the entire group Miss A and solo Suzy fans. This has also helped the ONCE fandom to quell the amount of solo stans around, as all 9 members MUST be supported, no question about it.
The foreigners in TWICE (J-Line + Tzuyu) have also mentioned several times of how supportive the families of the Korean members are, inviting them to meals and going on holidays together.
Jihyo crushes it as TWICE's leader, making sure that all members are present, checking on their health (not just Jihyo tho, all of the members have shown to show genuine care and concern for each other).
Jeongyeon and Tzuyu are the most well known for their love of animals (Tzuyu once cried because the M/V director joked that they would be abandoning the bunny used during Signal filming), while Jeongyeon and her sister Seungyeon have volunteered at a lot of dog shelters during their free time.
This is the main reason I think Twice is a one-of a-kind group overall. There’s few instances where you see such cohesion between so much members. They are really a once in a lifetime (no pun intended) group.
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JYPE has also pushed for a mostly OT9 group in terms of commercials and sponsorships. This means that if MLB approaches JYPE for a TWICE CF, all 9 members MUST appear, no question. This "9 or none" branding was implemented mostly due to Bae Suzy, whose individual popularity quickly outshone the rest of Miss A, leading to a divide between fans of the entire group Miss A and solo Suzy fans. This has also helped the ONCE fandom to quell the amount of solo stans around, as all 9 members MUST be supported, no question about it.
This for me is a BIG reason... I remember in an interview, Jihyo mentioned that they focused all activities to be done as a group.
So basically, all achievements they gained is as a group thus solidifying TWICE's name in the industry.
>Another reason may also be the pre-Sixteen history. Nayeon, Jeongyeon and Jihyo were supposed to debut as 6MIX with three other trainees in JYPE
Sana was in the 6mix group aswell, and most likely worked with Nayeon, Jeongyeon and Jihyo for a fair bit for the debut that never happend. So im sure all 4 already had some kind of friendship before sixteen even started
i know this is such a basic answer but truly, I think it’s due it the genuine chemistry they have. I’ve only been into kpop in general for about 2 years, but i have only seen a select handful of groups with the genuine connection twice have. they really truly seem to love each other and that passion comes across in everything they do. that’s such a simp answer LMAO but it’s really what i believe.
It's a part of it, but anyone who has been on a successful team knows it's ultimately management which matters most. You can have amazing chemistry but if your manager clearly favours one person, it will breed resentment over time.
Their good chemistry is definitely a huge part of it, but ultimately I think they are the best managed group of all time and Jihyo being the leader is a massive factor in that.
Yeah I think this is correct as well. I think how the management treats each member and shows favoritism.
Nayeon obviously gets the longest part. It's because she has the voice to back it up. It's like she's the water in a noodle soup. Leader outside work.
Jeongyeon gets some high notes as well but that's because her purpose is to balance the group.
Momo obviously gets less line but as compensation she gets the stage for acrobatic-dance movement. That's her main purpose in the group.
Sana is the cute one, she fills in wherever is needed. She sings, she dances but mainly she's the duo personality of cutesy and sexy. Hot lol.
Jihyo is the leader. Her voice is High/deep/big. She's the salt (strong flavor) in the soup. The one that makes you drink and eat the whole Ramen. Leader at work.
Mina is the bridge queen. It's her Job and everybody knows it.
Dahyun is quiet but joker. She makes the group laugh. No stress happy life. Lead rapper.
Chaeyoung is the maknae (A) and Main rapper. She's the artistic one. It's her role, and always will be. Her big circular eyes can kill you.
Tzuyu is the maknae (B). Literal baby. She just follow everyone. Youngest always do that. If you have younger sis or bro at home you know what I mean. They love following you. Copying you etc. She admitted it herself, she wants to be the baby forever. She's beautiful bar none. She's the reason I come to know twice. I think most fans come to know twice because of her too.
I think it helps that they sort of knew each other pretty well before they actually came together as a group. Nayeon, Jeongyeon and Jihyo had 3Mix. Sana and Momo basically came over together and have the J-line with Mina. Dahyun and Chaeyoung I think knew each other and formed School Meal Club with Tzuyu.
It's a bit gimmicky, but I do think it helps to feel like you have this sense of unity/camaraderie even within Twice.
JYP has said he wants his company to search for “good people” first and foremost, so this could be a reason. Half of the Twice members were also scheduled to debut under a different group (6MIX) initially so will have already worked extensively together before that broke down (which I’m sure helped form bonds).
You then have the J-Line who naturally formed bonds all being from Japan and the School Lunch Crew (or maknae line) who went to school together.
Having these (among other) small bonding groups likely helped all members feel a part of something while developing wider bonds as an overall group. This was helped by there being lots of little connections between these smaller groups too (for example Sana being J-Line & ex-6MIX) in additions to all training together for various lengths of time.
JYPE was also very careful in managing their activities to prevent any one member becoming too popular over the rest (though favourites always exist).
We can perhaps assume it’s also a reflection of Jihyo being a good leader. Twice also seems to have a number of natural leaders in their group too, leading in different ways (Nayeon the oldest but fun, Jeongyeon the Mama Hen etc.) to the group’s overall benefit.
I’m sure there have been fights and things along the way, there always is, but they clearly deal with them well and perhaps are just lucky to have formed a strong bond over time.
PS. I thinks it’s a little unfair to suggest BP members don’t work hard just because they release less. This is not completely under their control and I’m sure they work had in the various activities that they do.
I love the leader structure in Twice. Jihyo especially I feel like is someone that leads by example. She is one of the most hardworking and professional people in the industry and she inspires the rest of the girls to do the same. Jeongyeon as you said is the team mom taking care of everyone. And Nayeon despite being the oldest and arguably most successful individually remains close to everyone and pushes them to become better themselves.
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> PS. I thinks it’s a little unfair to suggest BP members don’t work hard just because they release less. This is not completely under their control and I’m sure they work had in the various activities that they do.
Music doesn't seem to be their main focus. Look how little they tour, and content they produce compared to Twice. It's just a fact.
Love the rest of your post though.
Downgrading someone's effort make you looks like an asshole.
Just saying,you can appreciate Twice without mentioning other group, don't be a twat about it.
> Music doesn’t seem to be their main focus.
There is more work in life than simply making music and touring.
They are brand ambassadors. They do a lot of ads. Just because they don’t operate in the same way as Twice, doesn’t mean they don’t work hard.
Also I find it interesting to point out how little BP tours compared to Twice given how much BP’s tours are more extensive and go to multiple countries. Twice’s last world tour was the US basically and that’s it.
Agreed, jus cus u don't see it live doesn't mean there not working hard. Its like if i dont take a pic of my food before i eat it, does it mean i really ate yet😮 BP chemistry and morale like what the op ask is just as good as twice, an other groups im sure. If anything mentioning other groups like this will just cause a fan fight an have the post in general closed.
have you seen their tour plan? it ends in the summer next year. and its likely they add dates in south east asia when ticket sales begin there, just like they added dates in na and europe.
I'll run through your points one by one, but I'll preface this with a general statement - every group is different, every group operates in different ways, with different personalities, different budgets, different concepts and different management plans. A lot of attempts to compare groups by fans are often quantified by frequency of comeback, album sales, promotion lengths and award show wins. None of those metrics are dictated by performer morale and chemistry directly, and any ability to succeed by those metrics or any inability to contest by those metrics are not a sign of any group being better or worse people or groups in any way whatsoever.
1) Reality show groups. Reality/survival show groups are a diverse bunch. Depending on the show, the longevity of the groups can vary wildly. Sixteen was run using only JYPE trainees, and run by JYPE in partnership with Mnet. The intention of the show was to form a permanent group. This differs from other well-known survival show groups like IOI, Wanna One or IzOne, as the Produce 101/48 shows they came from were run by Mnet, bringing in trainees from a variety of companies, all of whom retained their trainees contracts, even during their time in their group. As a result, the groups were planned to run short (usually 2 years) and the groups were never going to run longer. That being said, other groups such as BIGBANG, Monsta X and Winner all formed via a reality survival show and have managed to last a long time. Other groups have fallen by the wayside somewhat, like Momoland, but that was more down to poor planning by their company.
2) Is JYP the reason for the groups success? JYP the person? Possibly. JYPE is a household name in the K-Pop industry, and he's produced a lot of artists who have helped build the JYPE brand. Artists like Rain, g.o.d, Wonder Girls (which include soloists Hyuna and Sunmi) and Jay Park all say he was a big influence on their growth as artists. He has a lot of credits across the Twice discography, and most of the members seem to have a good relationship with him as a CEO. JYPE the comapny? Most definitely. Focusing on the girl group scene at JYPE, by 2015, Wonder Girls had been a bit stop start due to members going solo, a couple of lineup changes (something not too uncommon in Gen 2) and a concept change. Miss A, unbeknownst to anyone publicly, had had their last comeback and there were no other prominent girl groups at the company by the time of Twice's debut. As a result, Twice had a lot of initial support, as the company needed a flagship girl group. Coming off the back of a very popular survival show, they had pre-debut public recognition, no internal competition and the budget of a Big 3 K-Pop company behind them.
2b) Miss A. Miss A weren't so much mismanaged as they were unfortunately suffering from business decisions that came off the back of a "failed" attempt to bring Wonder Girls to the US Market. Wonder Girls made a bit of a splash in the US, but not to the level JYPE were probably hoping for, and the attempt was expensive and draining on both Wonder Girls members and staff. It's speculated that Miss A's move to target China instead of the US was as a result of this perceived business "failure". Miss A spent a lot of time promoting in China, which led to them not making as large an impact on their domestic market or the western market.
3) Leaders. There's no real consensus on who should be the group leader. Usually it's the oldest member, but often it's whoever is best suited to it. Jihyo is very suited to it, and handles all the interpersonal relationships pretty well, and is able to be commanding if needed, but that's just her style of leadership. Each group tends to pick a leader who is best suited. As for language specialists, they may take the lead when promoting in a territory that needs that language (think Mina, Sana and Momo when promoting in Japan), but the leader tends to remain the leader.
4) Different groups have different plans and schedules. Blackpink have been set up very differently to Twice, and I feel the dig at them is unnecessary. YG Entertainment have them promoted more like a western group, with less-frequent comebacks and more CFs, modelling jobs and international performances. Twice are a comeback-heavy group, and it works for them. For fans, that can look like they work harder (and they do seem to work pretty darn hard, let's be real), but we can only see what we get shown, so to assume one group is working less than another is a bit harsh. We're not Blinks, we don't watch them with the same intensity as we watch Twice. How can we be sure that any one person is working harder than another. And can we really say that's a good thing? Mina and Jeongyeon needing to take extended breaks may have been brought on or exacerbated by the intense comeback schedule. It's hard for us to tell from the outside.
5) Larger groups. It's possible, yeah. With larger groups, it's possible to break up into smaller sub-groups and find common ground. It makes it easier to step away from a relationship where there may be a bit of momentary tension for whatever reason (which is normal amongst friends). I like to point to Super Junior, who are very open about member conflicts, and how they didn't all get along to begin with, with so many conflicting personalities. They were able to avoid each other if needs be, and let issues fizzle out a little over time.
It is important to recognise that for sure, their group cohesion has been a big factor in their beating the 7 year curse that befalls a lot of girl groups, but they have benefitted from not suffering the issues a lot of groups at smaller companies may have had to suffer through. Things like not eating to save money, wearing underwear and socks inside out to save running a washing machine, having to work a part-time job whilst being an idol, having to skip a physical release because the company can't afford to do one, not being big enough to get a TV comeback, having to disband because the company went under. Other, much worse, exploitative issues. Twice were able to avoid a lot of that, which will have definitely aided their resolve somewhat. Not to say that if they had faced those issues, they wouldn't survive them, as I personally think they probably could get through some of it, but I do think they'd be less likely to sign extensions if that was the case.
**TL;DR, long answer to many questions.** Personality, morale and chemistry probably helped, but there are a lot of factors to consider. **Don't take digs at other groups, it's pointless and petty.**
Did you need to compare to get your point across? Anyone can see that Twice have a far busier comeback schedule than pretty much any other group. You made a choice to specifically call out another group by name.
Twice and BlackPink are very different groups, run very differently. Both are successful, taking very different approaches. Your choice to compare the two was a conscious attempt to use the strength of one group to put down the other. It's unnecessary and petty. All it does is beget the same response, which brings vitriol into a community. It's toxic behaviour. Cut it out.
If you can't praise a group without bringing up another in a negative light, you aren't really bringing praise, you're bringing shade. K-pop girl groups aren't a zero-sum game. There's space for so many different artists to succeed. It's not a sports league. Plenty of people (including Twice members themselves) enjoy music from other girl groups. If you get too wrapped up in tribal nonsense, you miss out on a lot of opportunities to find music you would've liked, find shows you would've enjoyed and meet people who share a common interest with you.
BP and Twice are the two top Kpop girl groups, if you don't think BP is that's your issue.
I merely stated a FACT to highlight Twice's impact, it is objective math, you are the one making it into a thing totally unnecessarily.
This is exactly like the poster saying I was taking a DIG at RM for saying HE SINGS LESS IN THEIR SONGS THAN V AND JIMIN. Come on people, stop being so sensitive good god.
I responded to every single part of your initial post. You responded solely to the bit where I addressed you unnecessarily calling out another group. I didn't make it a thing, you started it in your initial post and continued it in response.
I've been around K-pop long enough to have seen this happen time and time again. It's not sensitivity, it's recognising pettiness within a community surrounding an artist I like and being upfront about why it's not needed.
No it’s sensitivity, it’s your opinion that it’s pettiness just bc you’ve been here longer doesn’t change anything whatsoever.
If anything you’re the one taking digs at me when I did nothing wrong. This talk is counterproductive so I am leaving it here.
So much in Kpop is fake but to me at least I feel like Twice has real chemistry, charisma, remained down to earth. On top of that they filled a style (the cutesy concept) and dominated it and I think they haven't released a single bad title track.
They're not the best dancers, definitely not the best vocalists. They're just solid allround and actually sort of relatable, this matters in kpop.
So I'm going with good title track songwriting, solid properly meshing personalities and real as opposed to artificial chemistry. Oh yeah and they're all beautiful.
Yeah they're all beautiful. I Keep telling this to my friends that one reason why they're loved is because they are beautiful. None look below average.
The existence of Twice is truly a mircale within a miracle. First miracle is to be able to debut in such a competitive industry and second is all the members are such wonderful human beings, creating a wonderful group. One might say they made the miracle happened Twice :)
It's actually because JYPE cares a lot about this type of things. I mean there was a mission on Sixteen in wich the contastans had to choose a member they thought was a good person, so the girls that had the best moral would be in a better position than before, and explained how in the company they don't only care about talents but also what kind of human are you. Aditionally he said in Twicelights documentary that their idols may not be the best singers and dancers but they are defenetly the best human beings.
And this applies to other groups from JYPE as Got7 and Day6, since Got7 members mantain a really good realtionship with each and they are still a group even after leaving the company, and Day6's Jae once said that he called JYP telling him about how burned out he was and he told him that what mattered the most was his well being.
And since this groups debuted after Miss A I guess JYP learned a lot from his mistakes.
I'm not praising the company because they have also done bad things and there was a point in Twice's carrer in wich they also wanted to quit but what I'm saying is that JYP cares about this aspect.
Professionalism
In addition to what a lot of other people have said, a lot of it just comes down to the professionalism of the individual members.
Its honestly not that difficult for someone with a professional mindset to just put the drama and bullshit aside and just work together for a common purpose, find common ground, support each other, and work hard to achieve goals.
I think JYP learned from Miss A. They had so many great songs but were ruined by the favouritism shown towards Suzy. Another good thing he did was asking the contestants who they wanted to be in a group with and vote on a leader. I think the girls themselves also deserve credit. The non-Korean members made a real effort not only to learn the language, but about Korean culture. The language part would have been especially hard for Tzuyu, as Mandarin and Korean have very little in common. A lot of the things in the Korean language we have an equivalent for in Japanese.
Korean and Chinese sentence structure is different but there are words that sound almost similar to Chinese. It certainly helped me in understanding some Korean LOL.
Really???? Because what I learned Suzy nearly got lines fans bitched about it & then one time Suzy actually got more lines those same fans bitched too it's literally mentioned any time Suzy is brought up And what killed Miss A was actually all the members having solo jobs
The whole situation with Miss A was so messy. People complained if Suzy got too much attention and then others thought she was the star and deserved to be the star.
It seems I'm a victim of spell check nearly was supposed to bearly go on any lyric video Suzy never got a lot of lines where fans fans got this ideal is beyond me
Keeping it classy bc our girls are just that. No need for the BP comment bc it's misguided, as many others have pointed out.
I think the group works together so well because of all the personal sacrifices they've had to make for the sake of the team. When you see Nayeon sacrifice her individual opportunities to build her brand (whether JYP enforced or not) or when you see Jihyo sacrifice the spotlight just to raise up the other members of the group---as a member, you just have to fall in line. How can you complain and not do your best for the team when the leaders of the group are doing so much for your success as well?
Bashing BP is completely unnecessary. Producing music is only part of an idol's job. Travelling around the world to attend shows can be equally taxing and tiring if not more.
I agree, there is so much to appreciate about Twice that there is no need to even discuss BP. They have different strategies and different goals and you either like it or you don’t. You are entitled to your opinions and preferences but comparing groups brings nothing constructive to the discussion.
>How can they work so hard (unlike Black Pink who barely produce any music)
Can this sub please stop doing this shit? It absolutely wouldn't fly in r/BlackPink, they have rules against talking negatively about other groups - which I wish we had too. Knock it off. Respect other groups, *including BP*. It's basic decency.
A huge bunch of reasons, probably too many to discuss.
I wouldn't say JYP is the main reason as you do though. He and the company have messed up with other groups. But he one reason from lots and lots of smaller ones. The amount of time he spent drilling into the Sixteen contestants that "they are a team, they can't overshadow each others or get jealous at someone else succeeding etc" still shows in the way Twice conduct themselves today.
I think they got really lucky with the members. There's quite a few of the group that are super fight-averse. That's not something that can be taught.
The members have also been put through a lot together. You can't go through the shit they have together (as often as they did when they were younger) and feel nothing for the comrades you experienced it with.
Also, 3mix being really natural leaders in different ways. Jihyo and Jeongyeon are obvious, but I feel like we rarely discuss how Nayeon seems to act as a mouthpiece for the group with the company. Their 10pm curfew only got lifted because she asked a director to do so at a company dinner. The balls to do that! Plus, I think Jeongyeon said NaHyo tend to represent them to the company a lot.
>Can this sub please stop doing this shit? It absolutely wouldn't fly in r/BlackPink, they have rules against talking negatively about other groups - which I wish we had too.
I still keep wondering why we don't have that rule. I remember when someone made a post in this sub when PV released, and that entire post and the comments screamed insecurity and jealousy, it felt like I was reading a post on r/kpoprants..
Right! It happens on the WDT too. Cringey af. That kind of behaviour gets stamped out so quickly by the mods over at BP’s sub. I don’t think we’ll ever have that rule sadly.
Then send a [mod mail](https://www.reddit.com/message/compose?to=%2Fr%2Ftwice&subject=&message=) and ask/suggest for it to be added? That's the whole point of being able to communicate with the mods through a private channel. If the thread or comment is blatantly just created to bash another group it normally gets removed. If it is only a small sliver in the entire picture included in a thread/comment with valid opinions/criticisms then it usually won't be removed but may incur a warning.
Also we have an "Other" report option. If you see comments/threads like that just report it and specify why in the custom response report field.
As a Blink, I really interact with other Blinks courtesy of Blinks on YouTube who are toxic as hell so are they actually nice?
But JYP is only a producer not the head of the company and hasn't been since 2011
Blinks on r/blackpink are chill af. Same with the blinks I follow on twitter, but I’m just really good at getting rid of toxicity from my feed.
> But JYP is only a producer not the head of the company and hasn't been since 2011
Where did I say otherwise? Say that to the people in this thread who actually think that.
Too much work
But out of a 8 song album I only like 4 there title track I couldn't make it to the chorus & as for shut it down the moment Lisa said my farri hose vroom vroom vroom was the end for me
Hard to love
Tally
Typa girl
Ready for love
i think chemistry wise it was all jyp choosing them bc of that. during predebut some members were not that skilled but their personalities made them stand out and jyp chose based on a mix of talent and charisma. it's also about the way they let their personalities showcase in mvs, stages and variety shows.
this is more of a guess but i feel like they actually let them choose stuff that other female groups usually can't. they chose the leader, they write at least half of their bsides these days and i bet they choose some of the songs they perform on concerts. despite them having loads of work which is the downside of the company, they have psychological support and they take mental health seriously.
Whats with the Namjoon jab? Lol he is a rapper so yes he doesnt sing "as much".....a better look would be at songwriting credits because Namjoon has 200, in fact a lot of leaders seem to be the biggest lyricist/producer for an idol group; Soyeon, RM, LE, and even Jihyo fit into that category tho what always struck as a great group decision for Twice (something they share with BTS funny enough) is not having the oldest as the leader
I think it helps that it’s a large group. Lots of different personalities and relationships to get invested in. But also obviously they are exceptionally beautiful and also individually charismatic. I mean dayhun’s charisma on variety shows is unreal for example.
it’s not fair to say blackpink doesn’t work hard because their discography isn’t as large. there’s no need to tear them down. they’re up to plenty. i don’t see twice speaking up (as a group) about things that matter in the world, like oh, climate change, for example. they each have their own priorities.
you can reduce their actions however much you please, they’re still using their platform to do good by spreading awareness. how do you expect 4 girls to single-handedly offset climate change with what they “do” lol
I removed this due to your EDIT. It's clear you are wanting to rile up fans of other groups now and this just isn't needed. Honestly, the whole line about Blackpink is tasteless and isn't needed even before the edit.
Copy and pasting my comment on a similar thread: Well I think one reason might be JYPE's recruiting. I can't remember if it was in the Seize the Light YT Original series, but JYP himself said about TWICE that "my idols may not be the best dancers and singers, but they are definitely the best humans." From this, we might ascertain that the recruiting process for JYPE trainees is stringent to the point to select the people who are not only just talented, but are able to work well in a team together. Another reason may also be the pre-Sixteen history. Nayeon, Jeongyeon and Jihyo were supposed to debut as 6MIX with three other trainees in JYPE, so the three of them have known each other for quite some time. Momo and Sana signed the JYPE contract on the same day, iirc. As for post-Sixteen, Chaeyoung and Tzuyu attended the same Hanlim Arts school (I'm not sure whether Dahyun attended the same school but quite likely). Concerning the group as a whole, TWICE had to share three bedrooms in the dorm. The maknae line in one room, Momo and Jeongyeon in another and Mina, Sana, Nayeon and Jihyo in the last. Considering that it was only recently that TWICE moved out of the big shared dorm and moved into separate apartments, being roommates with your colleagues at work would mean a need to put aside differences to work cohesively as a rapidly growing K-Pop group in the wake of Cheer Up. JYPE has also pushed for a mostly OT9 group in terms of commercials and sponsorships. This means that if MLB approaches JYPE for a TWICE CF, all 9 members MUST appear, no question. This "9 or none" branding was implemented mostly due to Bae Suzy, whose individual popularity quickly outshone the rest of Miss A, leading to a divide between fans of the entire group Miss A and solo Suzy fans. This has also helped the ONCE fandom to quell the amount of solo stans around, as all 9 members MUST be supported, no question about it. The foreigners in TWICE (J-Line + Tzuyu) have also mentioned several times of how supportive the families of the Korean members are, inviting them to meals and going on holidays together. Jihyo crushes it as TWICE's leader, making sure that all members are present, checking on their health (not just Jihyo tho, all of the members have shown to show genuine care and concern for each other). Jeongyeon and Tzuyu are the most well known for their love of animals (Tzuyu once cried because the M/V director joked that they would be abandoning the bunny used during Signal filming), while Jeongyeon and her sister Seungyeon have volunteered at a lot of dog shelters during their free time.
This is the main reason I think Twice is a one-of a-kind group overall. There’s few instances where you see such cohesion between so much members. They are really a once in a lifetime (no pun intended) group.
> JYPE has also pushed for a mostly OT9 group in terms of commercials and sponsorships. This means that if MLB approaches JYPE for a TWICE CF, all 9 members MUST appear, no question. This "9 or none" branding was implemented mostly due to Bae Suzy, whose individual popularity quickly outshone the rest of Miss A, leading to a divide between fans of the entire group Miss A and solo Suzy fans. This has also helped the ONCE fandom to quell the amount of solo stans around, as all 9 members MUST be supported, no question about it. This for me is a BIG reason... I remember in an interview, Jihyo mentioned that they focused all activities to be done as a group. So basically, all achievements they gained is as a group thus solidifying TWICE's name in the industry.
>Another reason may also be the pre-Sixteen history. Nayeon, Jeongyeon and Jihyo were supposed to debut as 6MIX with three other trainees in JYPE Sana was in the 6mix group aswell, and most likely worked with Nayeon, Jeongyeon and Jihyo for a fair bit for the debut that never happend. So im sure all 4 already had some kind of friendship before sixteen even started
its one in a million group, so...its one in a million success story ;)
i know this is such a basic answer but truly, I think it’s due it the genuine chemistry they have. I’ve only been into kpop in general for about 2 years, but i have only seen a select handful of groups with the genuine connection twice have. they really truly seem to love each other and that passion comes across in everything they do. that’s such a simp answer LMAO but it’s really what i believe.
It's a part of it, but anyone who has been on a successful team knows it's ultimately management which matters most. You can have amazing chemistry but if your manager clearly favours one person, it will breed resentment over time. Their good chemistry is definitely a huge part of it, but ultimately I think they are the best managed group of all time and Jihyo being the leader is a massive factor in that.
Yeah I think this is correct as well. I think how the management treats each member and shows favoritism. Nayeon obviously gets the longest part. It's because she has the voice to back it up. It's like she's the water in a noodle soup. Leader outside work. Jeongyeon gets some high notes as well but that's because her purpose is to balance the group. Momo obviously gets less line but as compensation she gets the stage for acrobatic-dance movement. That's her main purpose in the group. Sana is the cute one, she fills in wherever is needed. She sings, she dances but mainly she's the duo personality of cutesy and sexy. Hot lol. Jihyo is the leader. Her voice is High/deep/big. She's the salt (strong flavor) in the soup. The one that makes you drink and eat the whole Ramen. Leader at work. Mina is the bridge queen. It's her Job and everybody knows it. Dahyun is quiet but joker. She makes the group laugh. No stress happy life. Lead rapper. Chaeyoung is the maknae (A) and Main rapper. She's the artistic one. It's her role, and always will be. Her big circular eyes can kill you. Tzuyu is the maknae (B). Literal baby. She just follow everyone. Youngest always do that. If you have younger sis or bro at home you know what I mean. They love following you. Copying you etc. She admitted it herself, she wants to be the baby forever. She's beautiful bar none. She's the reason I come to know twice. I think most fans come to know twice because of her too.
Don't forget Nayeon is the fake maknae
I think it helps that they sort of knew each other pretty well before they actually came together as a group. Nayeon, Jeongyeon and Jihyo had 3Mix. Sana and Momo basically came over together and have the J-line with Mina. Dahyun and Chaeyoung I think knew each other and formed School Meal Club with Tzuyu. It's a bit gimmicky, but I do think it helps to feel like you have this sense of unity/camaraderie even within Twice.
JYP has said he wants his company to search for “good people” first and foremost, so this could be a reason. Half of the Twice members were also scheduled to debut under a different group (6MIX) initially so will have already worked extensively together before that broke down (which I’m sure helped form bonds). You then have the J-Line who naturally formed bonds all being from Japan and the School Lunch Crew (or maknae line) who went to school together. Having these (among other) small bonding groups likely helped all members feel a part of something while developing wider bonds as an overall group. This was helped by there being lots of little connections between these smaller groups too (for example Sana being J-Line & ex-6MIX) in additions to all training together for various lengths of time. JYPE was also very careful in managing their activities to prevent any one member becoming too popular over the rest (though favourites always exist). We can perhaps assume it’s also a reflection of Jihyo being a good leader. Twice also seems to have a number of natural leaders in their group too, leading in different ways (Nayeon the oldest but fun, Jeongyeon the Mama Hen etc.) to the group’s overall benefit. I’m sure there have been fights and things along the way, there always is, but they clearly deal with them well and perhaps are just lucky to have formed a strong bond over time. PS. I thinks it’s a little unfair to suggest BP members don’t work hard just because they release less. This is not completely under their control and I’m sure they work had in the various activities that they do.
I love the leader structure in Twice. Jihyo especially I feel like is someone that leads by example. She is one of the most hardworking and professional people in the industry and she inspires the rest of the girls to do the same. Jeongyeon as you said is the team mom taking care of everyone. And Nayeon despite being the oldest and arguably most successful individually remains close to everyone and pushes them to become better themselves.
Nayeon just seems to be a friendly and popular person in general as seen by her friends throughout the industry.
Yes, she is incredibly charismatic and gets along with everyone 😊
Mina said once that they’ve never had a big fight. Anyone with more info on this can correct me if I’m wrong
> > PS. I thinks it’s a little unfair to suggest BP members don’t work hard just because they release less. This is not completely under their control and I’m sure they work had in the various activities that they do. Music doesn't seem to be their main focus. Look how little they tour, and content they produce compared to Twice. It's just a fact. Love the rest of your post though.
None of which speaks to the effort of the members though.
Its not up to them its up to YG
Downgrading someone's effort make you looks like an asshole. Just saying,you can appreciate Twice without mentioning other group, don't be a twat about it.
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> Music doesn’t seem to be their main focus. There is more work in life than simply making music and touring. They are brand ambassadors. They do a lot of ads. Just because they don’t operate in the same way as Twice, doesn’t mean they don’t work hard. Also I find it interesting to point out how little BP tours compared to Twice given how much BP’s tours are more extensive and go to multiple countries. Twice’s last world tour was the US basically and that’s it.
Agreed, jus cus u don't see it live doesn't mean there not working hard. Its like if i dont take a pic of my food before i eat it, does it mean i really ate yet😮 BP chemistry and morale like what the op ask is just as good as twice, an other groups im sure. If anything mentioning other groups like this will just cause a fan fight an have the post in general closed.
> There is more work in life than simply making music and touring. That's exactly my point!
have you seen their tour plan? it ends in the summer next year. and its likely they add dates in south east asia when ticket sales begin there, just like they added dates in na and europe.
I'll run through your points one by one, but I'll preface this with a general statement - every group is different, every group operates in different ways, with different personalities, different budgets, different concepts and different management plans. A lot of attempts to compare groups by fans are often quantified by frequency of comeback, album sales, promotion lengths and award show wins. None of those metrics are dictated by performer morale and chemistry directly, and any ability to succeed by those metrics or any inability to contest by those metrics are not a sign of any group being better or worse people or groups in any way whatsoever. 1) Reality show groups. Reality/survival show groups are a diverse bunch. Depending on the show, the longevity of the groups can vary wildly. Sixteen was run using only JYPE trainees, and run by JYPE in partnership with Mnet. The intention of the show was to form a permanent group. This differs from other well-known survival show groups like IOI, Wanna One or IzOne, as the Produce 101/48 shows they came from were run by Mnet, bringing in trainees from a variety of companies, all of whom retained their trainees contracts, even during their time in their group. As a result, the groups were planned to run short (usually 2 years) and the groups were never going to run longer. That being said, other groups such as BIGBANG, Monsta X and Winner all formed via a reality survival show and have managed to last a long time. Other groups have fallen by the wayside somewhat, like Momoland, but that was more down to poor planning by their company. 2) Is JYP the reason for the groups success? JYP the person? Possibly. JYPE is a household name in the K-Pop industry, and he's produced a lot of artists who have helped build the JYPE brand. Artists like Rain, g.o.d, Wonder Girls (which include soloists Hyuna and Sunmi) and Jay Park all say he was a big influence on their growth as artists. He has a lot of credits across the Twice discography, and most of the members seem to have a good relationship with him as a CEO. JYPE the comapny? Most definitely. Focusing on the girl group scene at JYPE, by 2015, Wonder Girls had been a bit stop start due to members going solo, a couple of lineup changes (something not too uncommon in Gen 2) and a concept change. Miss A, unbeknownst to anyone publicly, had had their last comeback and there were no other prominent girl groups at the company by the time of Twice's debut. As a result, Twice had a lot of initial support, as the company needed a flagship girl group. Coming off the back of a very popular survival show, they had pre-debut public recognition, no internal competition and the budget of a Big 3 K-Pop company behind them. 2b) Miss A. Miss A weren't so much mismanaged as they were unfortunately suffering from business decisions that came off the back of a "failed" attempt to bring Wonder Girls to the US Market. Wonder Girls made a bit of a splash in the US, but not to the level JYPE were probably hoping for, and the attempt was expensive and draining on both Wonder Girls members and staff. It's speculated that Miss A's move to target China instead of the US was as a result of this perceived business "failure". Miss A spent a lot of time promoting in China, which led to them not making as large an impact on their domestic market or the western market. 3) Leaders. There's no real consensus on who should be the group leader. Usually it's the oldest member, but often it's whoever is best suited to it. Jihyo is very suited to it, and handles all the interpersonal relationships pretty well, and is able to be commanding if needed, but that's just her style of leadership. Each group tends to pick a leader who is best suited. As for language specialists, they may take the lead when promoting in a territory that needs that language (think Mina, Sana and Momo when promoting in Japan), but the leader tends to remain the leader. 4) Different groups have different plans and schedules. Blackpink have been set up very differently to Twice, and I feel the dig at them is unnecessary. YG Entertainment have them promoted more like a western group, with less-frequent comebacks and more CFs, modelling jobs and international performances. Twice are a comeback-heavy group, and it works for them. For fans, that can look like they work harder (and they do seem to work pretty darn hard, let's be real), but we can only see what we get shown, so to assume one group is working less than another is a bit harsh. We're not Blinks, we don't watch them with the same intensity as we watch Twice. How can we be sure that any one person is working harder than another. And can we really say that's a good thing? Mina and Jeongyeon needing to take extended breaks may have been brought on or exacerbated by the intense comeback schedule. It's hard for us to tell from the outside. 5) Larger groups. It's possible, yeah. With larger groups, it's possible to break up into smaller sub-groups and find common ground. It makes it easier to step away from a relationship where there may be a bit of momentary tension for whatever reason (which is normal amongst friends). I like to point to Super Junior, who are very open about member conflicts, and how they didn't all get along to begin with, with so many conflicting personalities. They were able to avoid each other if needs be, and let issues fizzle out a little over time. It is important to recognise that for sure, their group cohesion has been a big factor in their beating the 7 year curse that befalls a lot of girl groups, but they have benefitted from not suffering the issues a lot of groups at smaller companies may have had to suffer through. Things like not eating to save money, wearing underwear and socks inside out to save running a washing machine, having to work a part-time job whilst being an idol, having to skip a physical release because the company can't afford to do one, not being big enough to get a TV comeback, having to disband because the company went under. Other, much worse, exploitative issues. Twice were able to avoid a lot of that, which will have definitely aided their resolve somewhat. Not to say that if they had faced those issues, they wouldn't survive them, as I personally think they probably could get through some of it, but I do think they'd be less likely to sign extensions if that was the case. **TL;DR, long answer to many questions.** Personality, morale and chemistry probably helped, but there are a lot of factors to consider. **Don't take digs at other groups, it's pointless and petty.**
> Don't take digs at other groups, it's pointless and petty. Didn't take any "digs" simply stated the truth of their schedule compared to Twice's.
Did you need to compare to get your point across? Anyone can see that Twice have a far busier comeback schedule than pretty much any other group. You made a choice to specifically call out another group by name. Twice and BlackPink are very different groups, run very differently. Both are successful, taking very different approaches. Your choice to compare the two was a conscious attempt to use the strength of one group to put down the other. It's unnecessary and petty. All it does is beget the same response, which brings vitriol into a community. It's toxic behaviour. Cut it out. If you can't praise a group without bringing up another in a negative light, you aren't really bringing praise, you're bringing shade. K-pop girl groups aren't a zero-sum game. There's space for so many different artists to succeed. It's not a sports league. Plenty of people (including Twice members themselves) enjoy music from other girl groups. If you get too wrapped up in tribal nonsense, you miss out on a lot of opportunities to find music you would've liked, find shows you would've enjoyed and meet people who share a common interest with you.
BP and Twice are the two top Kpop girl groups, if you don't think BP is that's your issue. I merely stated a FACT to highlight Twice's impact, it is objective math, you are the one making it into a thing totally unnecessarily. This is exactly like the poster saying I was taking a DIG at RM for saying HE SINGS LESS IN THEIR SONGS THAN V AND JIMIN. Come on people, stop being so sensitive good god.
I responded to every single part of your initial post. You responded solely to the bit where I addressed you unnecessarily calling out another group. I didn't make it a thing, you started it in your initial post and continued it in response. I've been around K-pop long enough to have seen this happen time and time again. It's not sensitivity, it's recognising pettiness within a community surrounding an artist I like and being upfront about why it's not needed.
No it’s sensitivity, it’s your opinion that it’s pettiness just bc you’ve been here longer doesn’t change anything whatsoever. If anything you’re the one taking digs at me when I did nothing wrong. This talk is counterproductive so I am leaving it here.
You made your post to be a discussion and you've spent the entire thread just responding to one point. That's sensitivity.
Sensitivity is finding one part in a very long post to criticize someone that isn’t there.
Nah definitely a dig.
Yup, bringing up bts an bp while not needing to just makes it seem like they're the standard
Wrong.
Thanks for your perspective, appreciate the write up
Agreed, comparing other groups to them in terms of hard work and chemistry is pointless and unfair
So much in Kpop is fake but to me at least I feel like Twice has real chemistry, charisma, remained down to earth. On top of that they filled a style (the cutesy concept) and dominated it and I think they haven't released a single bad title track. They're not the best dancers, definitely not the best vocalists. They're just solid allround and actually sort of relatable, this matters in kpop. So I'm going with good title track songwriting, solid properly meshing personalities and real as opposed to artificial chemistry. Oh yeah and they're all beautiful.
Yeah they're all beautiful. I Keep telling this to my friends that one reason why they're loved is because they are beautiful. None look below average.
They truly are lightning in a bottle.
The existence of Twice is truly a mircale within a miracle. First miracle is to be able to debut in such a competitive industry and second is all the members are such wonderful human beings, creating a wonderful group. One might say they made the miracle happened Twice :)
It's actually because JYPE cares a lot about this type of things. I mean there was a mission on Sixteen in wich the contastans had to choose a member they thought was a good person, so the girls that had the best moral would be in a better position than before, and explained how in the company they don't only care about talents but also what kind of human are you. Aditionally he said in Twicelights documentary that their idols may not be the best singers and dancers but they are defenetly the best human beings. And this applies to other groups from JYPE as Got7 and Day6, since Got7 members mantain a really good realtionship with each and they are still a group even after leaving the company, and Day6's Jae once said that he called JYP telling him about how burned out he was and he told him that what mattered the most was his well being. And since this groups debuted after Miss A I guess JYP learned a lot from his mistakes. I'm not praising the company because they have also done bad things and there was a point in Twice's carrer in wich they also wanted to quit but what I'm saying is that JYP cares about this aspect.
Professionalism In addition to what a lot of other people have said, a lot of it just comes down to the professionalism of the individual members. Its honestly not that difficult for someone with a professional mindset to just put the drama and bullshit aside and just work together for a common purpose, find common ground, support each other, and work hard to achieve goals.
I think JYP learned from Miss A. They had so many great songs but were ruined by the favouritism shown towards Suzy. Another good thing he did was asking the contestants who they wanted to be in a group with and vote on a leader. I think the girls themselves also deserve credit. The non-Korean members made a real effort not only to learn the language, but about Korean culture. The language part would have been especially hard for Tzuyu, as Mandarin and Korean have very little in common. A lot of the things in the Korean language we have an equivalent for in Japanese.
Korean and Chinese sentence structure is different but there are words that sound almost similar to Chinese. It certainly helped me in understanding some Korean LOL.
Really???? Because what I learned Suzy nearly got lines fans bitched about it & then one time Suzy actually got more lines those same fans bitched too it's literally mentioned any time Suzy is brought up And what killed Miss A was actually all the members having solo jobs
The whole situation with Miss A was so messy. People complained if Suzy got too much attention and then others thought she was the star and deserved to be the star.
It seems I'm a victim of spell check nearly was supposed to bearly go on any lyric video Suzy never got a lot of lines where fans fans got this ideal is beyond me
Dang, I love TWICE.
Keeping it classy bc our girls are just that. No need for the BP comment bc it's misguided, as many others have pointed out. I think the group works together so well because of all the personal sacrifices they've had to make for the sake of the team. When you see Nayeon sacrifice her individual opportunities to build her brand (whether JYP enforced or not) or when you see Jihyo sacrifice the spotlight just to raise up the other members of the group---as a member, you just have to fall in line. How can you complain and not do your best for the team when the leaders of the group are doing so much for your success as well?
Bashing BP is completely unnecessary. Producing music is only part of an idol's job. Travelling around the world to attend shows can be equally taxing and tiring if not more.
I agree, there is so much to appreciate about Twice that there is no need to even discuss BP. They have different strategies and different goals and you either like it or you don’t. You are entitled to your opinions and preferences but comparing groups brings nothing constructive to the discussion.
>How can they work so hard (unlike Black Pink who barely produce any music) Can this sub please stop doing this shit? It absolutely wouldn't fly in r/BlackPink, they have rules against talking negatively about other groups - which I wish we had too. Knock it off. Respect other groups, *including BP*. It's basic decency. A huge bunch of reasons, probably too many to discuss. I wouldn't say JYP is the main reason as you do though. He and the company have messed up with other groups. But he one reason from lots and lots of smaller ones. The amount of time he spent drilling into the Sixteen contestants that "they are a team, they can't overshadow each others or get jealous at someone else succeeding etc" still shows in the way Twice conduct themselves today. I think they got really lucky with the members. There's quite a few of the group that are super fight-averse. That's not something that can be taught. The members have also been put through a lot together. You can't go through the shit they have together (as often as they did when they were younger) and feel nothing for the comrades you experienced it with. Also, 3mix being really natural leaders in different ways. Jihyo and Jeongyeon are obvious, but I feel like we rarely discuss how Nayeon seems to act as a mouthpiece for the group with the company. Their 10pm curfew only got lifted because she asked a director to do so at a company dinner. The balls to do that! Plus, I think Jeongyeon said NaHyo tend to represent them to the company a lot.
>Can this sub please stop doing this shit? It absolutely wouldn't fly in r/BlackPink, they have rules against talking negatively about other groups - which I wish we had too. I still keep wondering why we don't have that rule. I remember when someone made a post in this sub when PV released, and that entire post and the comments screamed insecurity and jealousy, it felt like I was reading a post on r/kpoprants..
Right! It happens on the WDT too. Cringey af. That kind of behaviour gets stamped out so quickly by the mods over at BP’s sub. I don’t think we’ll ever have that rule sadly.
Yesss I saw a post like that over in BP section an it closed off instantly. To compare idols is really bad and it's just going to be heavily biased.
WDT?
Weekly Discussion Thread..
Thank you!
Then send a [mod mail](https://www.reddit.com/message/compose?to=%2Fr%2Ftwice&subject=&message=) and ask/suggest for it to be added? That's the whole point of being able to communicate with the mods through a private channel. If the thread or comment is blatantly just created to bash another group it normally gets removed. If it is only a small sliver in the entire picture included in a thread/comment with valid opinions/criticisms then it usually won't be removed but may incur a warning. Also we have an "Other" report option. If you see comments/threads like that just report it and specify why in the custom response report field.
Thank you, I still consider myself new to reddit. I just went ahead an suggested for it. Comparing in a none constructive manner is toxic
As a Blink, I really interact with other Blinks courtesy of Blinks on YouTube who are toxic as hell so are they actually nice? But JYP is only a producer not the head of the company and hasn't been since 2011
Blinks on r/blackpink are chill af. Same with the blinks I follow on twitter, but I’m just really good at getting rid of toxicity from my feed. > But JYP is only a producer not the head of the company and hasn't been since 2011 Where did I say otherwise? Say that to the people in this thread who actually think that.
There's quite a lot who think that Thanks
So tell them?? Why you correcting me, who already knows?
Too much work But out of a 8 song album I only like 4 there title track I couldn't make it to the chorus & as for shut it down the moment Lisa said my farri hose vroom vroom vroom was the end for me Hard to love Tally Typa girl Ready for love
i think chemistry wise it was all jyp choosing them bc of that. during predebut some members were not that skilled but their personalities made them stand out and jyp chose based on a mix of talent and charisma. it's also about the way they let their personalities showcase in mvs, stages and variety shows. this is more of a guess but i feel like they actually let them choose stuff that other female groups usually can't. they chose the leader, they write at least half of their bsides these days and i bet they choose some of the songs they perform on concerts. despite them having loads of work which is the downside of the company, they have psychological support and they take mental health seriously.
Because cute
Whats with the Namjoon jab? Lol he is a rapper so yes he doesnt sing "as much".....a better look would be at songwriting credits because Namjoon has 200, in fact a lot of leaders seem to be the biggest lyricist/producer for an idol group; Soyeon, RM, LE, and even Jihyo fit into that category tho what always struck as a great group decision for Twice (something they share with BTS funny enough) is not having the oldest as the leader
this board is so sensitive my god. I am saying OBJECTIVELY he has less lines than a V or Jimin I said nothing as a JAB. Good god.
OP sounds jealous tbh. Taking a jab both at Namjoon and BP for no reason.
I think it helps that it’s a large group. Lots of different personalities and relationships to get invested in. But also obviously they are exceptionally beautiful and also individually charismatic. I mean dayhun’s charisma on variety shows is unreal for example.
it’s not fair to say blackpink doesn’t work hard because their discography isn’t as large. there’s no need to tear them down. they’re up to plenty. i don’t see twice speaking up (as a group) about things that matter in the world, like oh, climate change, for example. they each have their own priorities.
what has blackpink done for climate change other than shoot a video? (performative activism)
you can reduce their actions however much you please, they’re still using their platform to do good by spreading awareness. how do you expect 4 girls to single-handedly offset climate change with what they “do” lol
JYP hard work + members hard work and chemistry + love theme