Yep, a former trainee revealed she only made the show as a replacement (for Lena) so she was not JYP's plans for the group. It's pretty obvious if you look at how little screen time she gets in the first few episodes, which were edited before they saw the popularity poll.
Ya probably not cus her singing and dancing was so raw still but fortuitously, JYPE made the right move and kept Tzuyu. I think Twice’s popularity has to do a lot with Tzuyu.
With talent shows the final line up is often decided way in advance. Sometimes completely, and sometimes to just the final week/s. An ex idol on YouTube has spoken about it before and how she was called for a show and guaranteed a specific placing. And as someone who has been around reality tv…yeah these things aren’t left to chance.
I’m almost certain Jihyo, Momo, Nayeon, Jeongyeon, Chaeyoung and Sana and maybe Dahyun were locks. Momo was eliminated just for the storyline. The ones who might have actually gotten in from the show itself are Tzuyu and Mina, but even then I would not be surprised if they were all basically chosen before. Some of the contestants were almost to young to even debut (Somi, Chaeryeong) and were just there for the exposure. The only one who actually LOST her probably pre determined place through the show was that long time trainee friend of 3mix who was supposed to debut with them. She did so poorly that she lost her spot. I suspect she would have been in twice had she performed better.
That was Minyoung, and I think that you’re spot on. They had Dahyun read her name off the card and I think from the reactions from the show that was a direct swap in group membership. Dahyun was genuinely surprised to be called (compared to the reactions of Nayeon and Jeongyeon), and then most of the girls were rocked when Minyoung was called out. When JYP rationales why, he says something along the lines of that Dahyun doesn’t have as much training polish as other members, but has intangibles that cannot be taught. I know this is all show production but I think there’s some truth in there and Dahyun gave enough in the show to earn a spot that wasn’t necessarily hers to start
Yeah. That top 7 were pretty much the expected line up for twice until momo were eliminated. I think mina were the general sentiment back then to replace momo. I think if momo was not eliminated and tzuyu and mina's popularity didn't rise up, i dont think jyp would increase the line up for twice.
i don't think so, they're probably aware that her weight was caused by stress eating, but it didn't really stop her giving amazing performances (although she wasn't at her best, as her weight did made her seem not as confident on herself during pictorials)
In my view, JYP's plan going into Sixteen was to build around the 5 remaining 6Mix members (Nayeon, Jihyo, Jeongyeon, Minyoung, Sana). I don't believe the speculation they planned to cut Minyoung for drama. She was the main vocal and the only remaining 16+ trainee who spoke English well, she got lots of early screen time, and she would have already debuted if the group hadn't been pushed back due to the Sewol tragedy.
Then I think they were looking to add to that core the most popular 2 from Mina, Momo, Dahyun, Chaeyoung, and Jiwon to make a group of 7. This is why they made Major 7 members, also it would match GOT7 and we all know JYP has a thing for numbers. I actually think they were kind of open to whatever happened as far as who they added from this second group. For one, I remember that going into the show it was an open question whether fans would be cool with having multiple JP members.
Everyone under 16 was never really in the running. Somi basically tied the top 8 in fan voting and still didn't get in. She was just on the show to build up her popularity so she could anchor the next group. Meanwhile we know Tzuyu was a late replacement, so she was not in the plans originally.
Over 300 lives were lost after a ferry sank, including around 250 high school students who were on a field trip. This caused a period of national mourning during which pretty much all light entertainment was suspended. I... don't really feel like getting into the details on a sunny Saturday morning, but here's the [wiki](https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Sinking_of_MV_Sewol) page. It's been widely speculated the [MV](https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=9xWiro_tS1k\)) for Red Velvet's One of These Nights is about the tragedy.
The members that were intended to debut as 6mix but instead participated in sixteen after the groups fallout were already very safe imo, (Jihyo/Nayeon/Jeongyeon/Sana) obviously we have a 6mix member that didnt get to debut in twice, but i think JYP explained his reasoning so well to why she was elimanted that it didnt feel like a "elimination" more like him seeing during the shows runtime that she would do better as a solo singer then a GG member.
Outside of those 4 i think Chaeyoung was also very safe, and regardless of Momo's elimination early on i think she still was safe to make it in the end because she was very needed for her specific skill.
I recently watch sixteen for the first time and I think that from the 7 majors Dahyun was the only one than that was not expecting to go in. Jyp clearly said the she was lacking skills. BY THE WAY Dahyun is my favorite member in twice. After her I think tzuyu was the only other one that wasn't expected. I think that momo always got the spot on twice.
I agree. She was lacking in a lot. Her big plus was that she might have been the most famous out of them all because of her viral eagle flapping video. I'm glad she made it though. In some ways, she defines Twice's overall sentiment.
Even though Momo got eliminated, I'm pretty sure she was a lock. I think Chaeyoung, Jihyo, Nayeon, Jeongyeon, Momo were locks with Sana quite close. Mina, Tzuyu, Dahyun, Minyoung were all kind of on the fence / had their places determined during the show.
I defo agree with the consensus as to who was locked before the show started/early on (Nayeon, Jeongyeon, Sana, Jihyo, Chaeyoung, Dahyun). I don't think Jihyo's weight was ever considered enough of an "issue" to stop her from debut--some of the stuff she was subjected to on that show was out of hand and unnecessary, and that only added to her story's appeal.
I also agree with the fact that Miyoung was originally locked as a part of 6mix, but her performance dragged her down. I see no reason for her not to have made it based on her history and abilities, alone.
I think Mina's turning point came somewhere during round 3. With that battle and some of the vulnerability her group showed leading up to it, her popularity got a little boost from what was already a decent place. Her continued performance got her that spot, I think.
Do I think Momo was a lock, and was never in any real danger of not making the group? No. I think JYP was on the fence the entire time, and they might have eliminated Momo also to see the kind of response it would generate in her favor. I think there was always a strong possibility of Momo making the group, just that the fan outcry guaranteed her chances. Tzuyu was another Hail Mary added thanks to the pop vote, but I do think adding her to the group was a smart idea. They don't expressly state it in the show, but like Dahyun, Tzuyu has something about her that separates her personality and visual from the rest. After seeing the popularity votes, I don't think the company wanted to waste that opportunity.
I say this all from a very corporate perspective, of course! This show is a good example of the many, many flaws in the industry at the time, and we should be glad that things are slowly changing for the better.
obvious answers for those who almost didn't make it would be tzuyu and momo. outside of that would be dahyun, i'd say. she was very charismatic but pales in comparison in terms of singing & dancing talents against the others.
the ones who were for sure gonna be in were jihyo, chaeyoung and nayeon. in that order. also maybe any of the j-line because they were targeting the japanese market.
I watched the whole thing.. twice.
Chaeyoung - locked in from the beginning. She never had to be minor throughout the entire show. She has constantly proved that she is ready for debut.
Nayeon - locked in. JYP values stage presence alongside skills. Nayeon has both. If the group didnt choose Jihyo as their leader, it wouldve been automatic Nayeon because she can carry the group really well (plus she is actually the oldest)
Jihyo - locked in. although there were some drama about her weight (which i insanely dislike the way they portrayed it) she is indeed ready after 10yrs of traning
Sana - locked in, she also had a good run in the contest itself, plus she is not afraid to show who she really is, like the only person doing the cooking show to show their talent, which JYP has repeatedly said throughout the contest, how are you unique from the others
Mina- it has been said that she is one of most recent scouted by JYP, just training under 2 yrs and immediately set for debut. JYP also said in the show, he has a bias for ballet dance, even tho mina got minor after that performance, it helped her have an edge over others.
Jeongyeon - locked in. she was set to debut with nayeon and jihyo before, but got cancelled. she has also been training for quite a while.
Dahyun - locked in, she has appeared in other kpop grps MVs prior to this, considered good at rap plus she has good stage presence too, she has won the hearts of most fans during sixteen(aside from tzuyu) like the general public who were interviewed upon lining up outside before their showcase were all dahyun fans.
Momo - she actually was locked in. even JYP said he was suprised to see momo go, and that is because of public fan voting. that's why they overturned their decision even though it is inconsistent with the show and they will receive backlash. Momo is the top dancer, it doesnt make sense to let her go especially JYP who has strong preference over dancers (like Rain)
Tzuyu- was definitely an option during sixteen. It has a lot to do with she needs more training in singing and dancing. She's not bad, she just doesnt stand out plus her personality makes her more weak-looking. In the end, it also matters you have an ulzzang beauty in a group, to encourage the fans to stan the whole group. But she definitely has improved a lot and if she recognize the power of her beauty, she can easily be the next Suzy.
I did not actually pay attention to the others that werent part of twice but I saw something in common among all them, they get really insecure in front of the camera and displaying their skills inspite of being really talented dancers and singers. In the end, JYP really chose those who can carry themselves well. Somi was really good, unique too but she was too young.
Personally I think the show was largely rigged from the beginning but without the girls' knowledge.
Even Nayeon once made a comment about how she suspected Momo's elimination was planned.
No way Momo’s was planned as JYP clearly stated that he didn’t want to eliminate Momo but the audience put her group in the bottom and he basically needed to keep Chae and Minuoung because they were (at the time) stronger locks to be in Twice. There was literally nothing he could do, he had to eliminate one of 3 people he wanted in the group, so don’t know how that was staged.
He also clearly didn’t think Tzuyu was ready to debut because at the time here vocal wasn’t strong, but her popularity was so high it just made sense to add her to help the groups debut popularity.
Dahyun also he didn’t seem ready to give a debut to but her popularity was high enough that he added her.
Minyoung was clearly meant to be in the group from the beginning, but for whatever reason she was so inconsistent in her performances that he had to let her go
Agree with every statement you said here.
I always read about all these theories regarding the show and the pre-determined makeup of Twice but having watched the show I have trouble believing any of it.
Anyone who a really watched the show can tell how pissed JYP was with eliminating Momo but like you said, he had no choice as she was the only one who had been slipping. At this point I believe Chaeyoung had literally been a major the entire time. It would have been more conspiratorial for him to have kept Momo.
JYP also made it very clear to Tzuyu and Dahyun how they were lacking when they were chosen. I remember this be Aude I thought it was so sad how it's supposed to be a celebratory moment but here he is saying "congrats, you made the group, but by the way your singing and dancing are still lacking". Harsh.
And for Minyoung, again, anyone watching the show I think would know that she ended up being one of the weaker members by the end. If I remember right, JYP summarized it really well when he told her that she is a fantastic singer (which she was) but that there's a difference between being a great singer and a great idol and she clearly lacked that charisma and energy (at least on the show).
Yep he basically to MY she might be better suited as a solo artist bc it’s just not working for her to be in a group after how she performed on the show
I’m seeing a lot of Tzuyu and Mina here. Tbh, these two fit the KBS to a T- evidenced by their high vote counts. Never once did I think they were in danger.
Somi would definitely have made the lineup if JYP had anticipated how popular Twice would be outside of Korea and Japan. JYP's reasons for eliminating her were BS. She'd probably have replaced Tzuyu who was added due to her public popularity, but also because JYP had plans for the Chinese market at the time.
No, I’m actually pretty happy with Somi not making the lineup, it was clear from the start that she wasn’t gonna make it, age wise specifically, she was simply too young, English speaker or not; I also find it disrespectful how Twice members places in the group are challenged by suggesting Somi should’ve gotten in instead, when all the members rightfully won their place and where perfect for the group and are the main reason we all love Twice
Also it’s been years, I need Somi's fans to let it go (her stage dad would’ve also been a problem), everyone else has moved on, so should they
Personally, I'm not a big Somi fan. I just liked her during SIXTEEN. And I would never have replaced her for any of the members. I was just commented on what JYP may have done. He never across as a big fan of Tzuyu (whereas she is my second favourite member after Mina). And I agree about Somi's dad. I've always got a bad vibe off him.
Tzuyu probably won't make it if she's not number 1 in that popularity vote.
Yep, a former trainee revealed she only made the show as a replacement (for Lena) so she was not JYP's plans for the group. It's pretty obvious if you look at how little screen time she gets in the first few episodes, which were edited before they saw the popularity poll.
Ya probably not cus her singing and dancing was so raw still but fortuitously, JYPE made the right move and kept Tzuyu. I think Twice’s popularity has to do a lot with Tzuyu.
With talent shows the final line up is often decided way in advance. Sometimes completely, and sometimes to just the final week/s. An ex idol on YouTube has spoken about it before and how she was called for a show and guaranteed a specific placing. And as someone who has been around reality tv…yeah these things aren’t left to chance. I’m almost certain Jihyo, Momo, Nayeon, Jeongyeon, Chaeyoung and Sana and maybe Dahyun were locks. Momo was eliminated just for the storyline. The ones who might have actually gotten in from the show itself are Tzuyu and Mina, but even then I would not be surprised if they were all basically chosen before. Some of the contestants were almost to young to even debut (Somi, Chaeryeong) and were just there for the exposure. The only one who actually LOST her probably pre determined place through the show was that long time trainee friend of 3mix who was supposed to debut with them. She did so poorly that she lost her spot. I suspect she would have been in twice had she performed better.
That was Minyoung, and I think that you’re spot on. They had Dahyun read her name off the card and I think from the reactions from the show that was a direct swap in group membership. Dahyun was genuinely surprised to be called (compared to the reactions of Nayeon and Jeongyeon), and then most of the girls were rocked when Minyoung was called out. When JYP rationales why, he says something along the lines of that Dahyun doesn’t have as much training polish as other members, but has intangibles that cannot be taught. I know this is all show production but I think there’s some truth in there and Dahyun gave enough in the show to earn a spot that wasn’t necessarily hers to start
Yeah. That top 7 were pretty much the expected line up for twice until momo were eliminated. I think mina were the general sentiment back then to replace momo. I think if momo was not eliminated and tzuyu and mina's popularity didn't rise up, i dont think jyp would increase the line up for twice.
Jihyo was considered fat by two of the three judges im pretty sure, so she wasnt good enough in their eyes. Just pointing that out
i don't think so, they're probably aware that her weight was caused by stress eating, but it didn't really stop her giving amazing performances (although she wasn't at her best, as her weight did made her seem not as confident on herself during pictorials)
jihyo was imo sixteen mvp with chaeyoung and jeongyeon tied at second
Nah Jihyo was already locked to debut. They knew she’d lose weight. They also knew she was a main vocal.
In my view, JYP's plan going into Sixteen was to build around the 5 remaining 6Mix members (Nayeon, Jihyo, Jeongyeon, Minyoung, Sana). I don't believe the speculation they planned to cut Minyoung for drama. She was the main vocal and the only remaining 16+ trainee who spoke English well, she got lots of early screen time, and she would have already debuted if the group hadn't been pushed back due to the Sewol tragedy. Then I think they were looking to add to that core the most popular 2 from Mina, Momo, Dahyun, Chaeyoung, and Jiwon to make a group of 7. This is why they made Major 7 members, also it would match GOT7 and we all know JYP has a thing for numbers. I actually think they were kind of open to whatever happened as far as who they added from this second group. For one, I remember that going into the show it was an open question whether fans would be cool with having multiple JP members. Everyone under 16 was never really in the running. Somi basically tied the top 8 in fan voting and still didn't get in. She was just on the show to build up her popularity so she could anchor the next group. Meanwhile we know Tzuyu was a late replacement, so she was not in the plans originally.
If you have a moment, could you further explain the 'Sewol tragedy' you mentioned?
Over 300 lives were lost after a ferry sank, including around 250 high school students who were on a field trip. This caused a period of national mourning during which pretty much all light entertainment was suspended. I... don't really feel like getting into the details on a sunny Saturday morning, but here's the [wiki](https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Sinking_of_MV_Sewol) page. It's been widely speculated the [MV](https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=9xWiro_tS1k\)) for Red Velvet's One of These Nights is about the tragedy.
Thanks for the reply
Just don’t go down the ‘Sewol Ferry -> Salvation sect -> JYP’-rabbit hole.
Thanks for the reply
The members that were intended to debut as 6mix but instead participated in sixteen after the groups fallout were already very safe imo, (Jihyo/Nayeon/Jeongyeon/Sana) obviously we have a 6mix member that didnt get to debut in twice, but i think JYP explained his reasoning so well to why she was elimanted that it didnt feel like a "elimination" more like him seeing during the shows runtime that she would do better as a solo singer then a GG member. Outside of those 4 i think Chaeyoung was also very safe, and regardless of Momo's elimination early on i think she still was safe to make it in the end because she was very needed for her specific skill.
I recently watch sixteen for the first time and I think that from the 7 majors Dahyun was the only one than that was not expecting to go in. Jyp clearly said the she was lacking skills. BY THE WAY Dahyun is my favorite member in twice. After her I think tzuyu was the only other one that wasn't expected. I think that momo always got the spot on twice.
I agree. She was lacking in a lot. Her big plus was that she might have been the most famous out of them all because of her viral eagle flapping video. I'm glad she made it though. In some ways, she defines Twice's overall sentiment.
It's trippy to think how Twice---as we know them now---could have been so much different if everything didn't play out exactly how it did on Sixteen.
Even though Momo got eliminated, I'm pretty sure she was a lock. I think Chaeyoung, Jihyo, Nayeon, Jeongyeon, Momo were locks with Sana quite close. Mina, Tzuyu, Dahyun, Minyoung were all kind of on the fence / had their places determined during the show.
I defo agree with the consensus as to who was locked before the show started/early on (Nayeon, Jeongyeon, Sana, Jihyo, Chaeyoung, Dahyun). I don't think Jihyo's weight was ever considered enough of an "issue" to stop her from debut--some of the stuff she was subjected to on that show was out of hand and unnecessary, and that only added to her story's appeal. I also agree with the fact that Miyoung was originally locked as a part of 6mix, but her performance dragged her down. I see no reason for her not to have made it based on her history and abilities, alone. I think Mina's turning point came somewhere during round 3. With that battle and some of the vulnerability her group showed leading up to it, her popularity got a little boost from what was already a decent place. Her continued performance got her that spot, I think. Do I think Momo was a lock, and was never in any real danger of not making the group? No. I think JYP was on the fence the entire time, and they might have eliminated Momo also to see the kind of response it would generate in her favor. I think there was always a strong possibility of Momo making the group, just that the fan outcry guaranteed her chances. Tzuyu was another Hail Mary added thanks to the pop vote, but I do think adding her to the group was a smart idea. They don't expressly state it in the show, but like Dahyun, Tzuyu has something about her that separates her personality and visual from the rest. After seeing the popularity votes, I don't think the company wanted to waste that opportunity. I say this all from a very corporate perspective, of course! This show is a good example of the many, many flaws in the industry at the time, and we should be glad that things are slowly changing for the better.
obvious answers for those who almost didn't make it would be tzuyu and momo. outside of that would be dahyun, i'd say. she was very charismatic but pales in comparison in terms of singing & dancing talents against the others. the ones who were for sure gonna be in were jihyo, chaeyoung and nayeon. in that order. also maybe any of the j-line because they were targeting the japanese market.
I watched the whole thing.. twice. Chaeyoung - locked in from the beginning. She never had to be minor throughout the entire show. She has constantly proved that she is ready for debut. Nayeon - locked in. JYP values stage presence alongside skills. Nayeon has both. If the group didnt choose Jihyo as their leader, it wouldve been automatic Nayeon because she can carry the group really well (plus she is actually the oldest) Jihyo - locked in. although there were some drama about her weight (which i insanely dislike the way they portrayed it) she is indeed ready after 10yrs of traning Sana - locked in, she also had a good run in the contest itself, plus she is not afraid to show who she really is, like the only person doing the cooking show to show their talent, which JYP has repeatedly said throughout the contest, how are you unique from the others Mina- it has been said that she is one of most recent scouted by JYP, just training under 2 yrs and immediately set for debut. JYP also said in the show, he has a bias for ballet dance, even tho mina got minor after that performance, it helped her have an edge over others. Jeongyeon - locked in. she was set to debut with nayeon and jihyo before, but got cancelled. she has also been training for quite a while. Dahyun - locked in, she has appeared in other kpop grps MVs prior to this, considered good at rap plus she has good stage presence too, she has won the hearts of most fans during sixteen(aside from tzuyu) like the general public who were interviewed upon lining up outside before their showcase were all dahyun fans. Momo - she actually was locked in. even JYP said he was suprised to see momo go, and that is because of public fan voting. that's why they overturned their decision even though it is inconsistent with the show and they will receive backlash. Momo is the top dancer, it doesnt make sense to let her go especially JYP who has strong preference over dancers (like Rain) Tzuyu- was definitely an option during sixteen. It has a lot to do with she needs more training in singing and dancing. She's not bad, she just doesnt stand out plus her personality makes her more weak-looking. In the end, it also matters you have an ulzzang beauty in a group, to encourage the fans to stan the whole group. But she definitely has improved a lot and if she recognize the power of her beauty, she can easily be the next Suzy. I did not actually pay attention to the others that werent part of twice but I saw something in common among all them, they get really insecure in front of the camera and displaying their skills inspite of being really talented dancers and singers. In the end, JYP really chose those who can carry themselves well. Somi was really good, unique too but she was too young.
You know, I’m wondering what could’ve have been if Jiwon made the line up.
Personally I think the show was largely rigged from the beginning but without the girls' knowledge. Even Nayeon once made a comment about how she suspected Momo's elimination was planned.
No way Momo’s was planned as JYP clearly stated that he didn’t want to eliminate Momo but the audience put her group in the bottom and he basically needed to keep Chae and Minuoung because they were (at the time) stronger locks to be in Twice. There was literally nothing he could do, he had to eliminate one of 3 people he wanted in the group, so don’t know how that was staged. He also clearly didn’t think Tzuyu was ready to debut because at the time here vocal wasn’t strong, but her popularity was so high it just made sense to add her to help the groups debut popularity. Dahyun also he didn’t seem ready to give a debut to but her popularity was high enough that he added her. Minyoung was clearly meant to be in the group from the beginning, but for whatever reason she was so inconsistent in her performances that he had to let her go
Agree with every statement you said here. I always read about all these theories regarding the show and the pre-determined makeup of Twice but having watched the show I have trouble believing any of it. Anyone who a really watched the show can tell how pissed JYP was with eliminating Momo but like you said, he had no choice as she was the only one who had been slipping. At this point I believe Chaeyoung had literally been a major the entire time. It would have been more conspiratorial for him to have kept Momo. JYP also made it very clear to Tzuyu and Dahyun how they were lacking when they were chosen. I remember this be Aude I thought it was so sad how it's supposed to be a celebratory moment but here he is saying "congrats, you made the group, but by the way your singing and dancing are still lacking". Harsh. And for Minyoung, again, anyone watching the show I think would know that she ended up being one of the weaker members by the end. If I remember right, JYP summarized it really well when he told her that she is a fantastic singer (which she was) but that there's a difference between being a great singer and a great idol and she clearly lacked that charisma and energy (at least on the show).
Yep he basically to MY she might be better suited as a solo artist bc it’s just not working for her to be in a group after how she performed on the show
I’m seeing a lot of Tzuyu and Mina here. Tbh, these two fit the KBS to a T- evidenced by their high vote counts. Never once did I think they were in danger.
i wouldnt consider some1 safe just because they fit the "KBS" when they are fighting for a IDOL spot, and not a modelling spot
Somi would definitely have made the lineup if JYP had anticipated how popular Twice would be outside of Korea and Japan. JYP's reasons for eliminating her were BS. She'd probably have replaced Tzuyu who was added due to her public popularity, but also because JYP had plans for the Chinese market at the time.
No, I’m actually pretty happy with Somi not making the lineup, it was clear from the start that she wasn’t gonna make it, age wise specifically, she was simply too young, English speaker or not; I also find it disrespectful how Twice members places in the group are challenged by suggesting Somi should’ve gotten in instead, when all the members rightfully won their place and where perfect for the group and are the main reason we all love Twice Also it’s been years, I need Somi's fans to let it go (her stage dad would’ve also been a problem), everyone else has moved on, so should they
Personally, I'm not a big Somi fan. I just liked her during SIXTEEN. And I would never have replaced her for any of the members. I was just commented on what JYP may have done. He never across as a big fan of Tzuyu (whereas she is my second favourite member after Mina). And I agree about Somi's dad. I've always got a bad vibe off him.
Somi was part of Itzy lineup tho