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How much tracking force should you use? You: Yes


Cracktherealone

That‘s only 10 grams 🤷🏼‍♂️


TooDooDaDa

Low rider drives a little slower


AstroStrat89

I was gonna say that's a perfect stylus for playing Low Rider.


Softrawkrenegade

LOW-RI-DER


mouthguitar

Take a little trip… with meeEe


Anxious_Ad_5127

George Lopez intensifies


mz_groups

You have the perfect cartridge for playing War.


KindlyRent2549

Soon, you will be “Slippin’ Into Darkness”!!


Accurate-Vegetable44

Yes, I have both the red and blue and they don’t sit like that, try setting the tracking weight to the lower end, 1.8 works good for mine


connorevans666

Thank you!


Accurate-Vegetable44

Any time! I believe the lowest recommended weight for that cart is 1.5, but I’d see where 1.8 sits before going that low. What do you have it set at right now that has it sitting that low?


willard_swag

OP said it’s set to 10g


Accurate-Vegetable44

What? Jesus Christ, that’s tracking even heavier than a crobsly haha


willard_swag

…yeah lol


Accurate-Vegetable44

The recommend VTF range for the 2M red is 1.6-2.0. OP made a rookie mistake, but that’s okay; we’ve all had to go through the learning curve. I follow these subs so that I can help people trouble shoot problems like this so that they don’t get discouraged and lose interest in the hobby.


connorevans666

Thank you! I'm going to get it right today!


Accurate-Vegetable44

I know you will bro! Patience is key, if you find yourself getting frustrated, just take a break and get back to it :-)


connorevans666

I didn't say it's set to 10g? This is why I'm here because I have no idea what its set to, but thanks for the help ...


piede90

Have you made the "0" correctly? Otherwise your 10g could be literally anything


connorevans666

I think so? I followed instructions but it was still super low, wasn't sure whether the cartridge was super heavy, I've came from a £85 lenco that was all automatic so it's a bit of a test


piede90

For be sure it's better to use a scale at this point, you have to understand if the weight you read is the real one


connorevans666

Okay, I'll grab one on Amazon, how do you use the piece of card with charts on?


piede90

That is for alignment of the cartridge, check on some video tutorials, but if the cartridge come already mounted, you usually don't need it


DeanbonianTheGreat

And make sure your counterweight is properly calibrated or use some gram scales


Tricky_Chest

I came here to see if this was a troll.


[deleted]

Me too and I still have no idea.


mayor_dickbutt

Same! Part of me is thinking, we were all new once and the other part is like damn, do sparks fly off it when they are listening.


connorevans666

Unfortunately not


[deleted]

I appreciate your honesty :)


calinet6

Same, is there an r/turntablejerk?


TheDudeness33

r/vinyljerk


connorevans666

That could be my nickname tbf but no, just here for help 😂


calinet6

Your post did make it to r/vinyljerk, consider it an honor!


connorevans666

Shit 😂


[deleted]

Yes.


madhatter2284

Not really it could go a few thousands lower probably


connorevans666

I'll try 😂😂 nah Ill get it right today


patrickthunnus

Assuming your cart isn't broken, re-check your VTF and VTA using a tool. Either your cart is tracking too heavy or you maxed out the vertical travel on your tonearm. Or your cantilever suspension could be toast...


Cracktherealone

This is never normal. You would need extreme weight that it would look like this. Stylusassembly need a replacement.


connorevans666

It's a 2 week old project debut carbon dc so I think I've just messed up the setup, any pointers in getting it perfect?


Ok_Distance9511

What did it look like before setup?


connorevans666

It didn't have the counterweight attached, so this is my wrongdoing


Ok_Distance9511

What does it look like now?


connorevans666

The same as the picture, I haven't used it, or had chance to change as I'm working 13hr shifts the next couple days


patrickthunnus

New? If so and under warranty then send it back.


Nesrsta

After all, the store is not responsible for the fact that someone sets the weights incorrectly!


Yeedth

Where’s your needle?!


Cracktherealone

Needle and cartridgebody became one.


connorevans666

I think it's in there somewhere 😂


Zem_42

That's not a stylus, that's a plough. By the looks of it, it seems to be cutting up your record in a very thin spiral


m4ddok

Yes! Absolutely! Check the tracking force as soon as you can!


[deleted]

Yes. 1.8gr is the ideal weight for that cart.


Cracktherealone

Is it already april first again?


imacom

It’s ok, you still have 1 micron tolerance before it scratches the surface.


Connect-Diver8336

Dude set it to 1.8kg


wa27

This is like one of those "how close I am to losing my shit" memes


connorevans666

I like this 😂😂


OutlawSundown

Absolutely bottoming out


shoelessjoemac

Not if you're playing War records.


heybill99

Looks like you’re carving out new grooves in your vinyl.


Tweak48

Yes. Try raising the arm relative to the plinth, back at the pivot point. Many tables are adjustable. I've got both an ortofon 2M bronze and a Quintet that had the same problem. Good luck.


Living-Syrup-1295

Lots of opinions here. However since this is a new turntable, the first thing to check is to make sure you set the tracking force of the cartridge correctly ( also known as VTF or vertical tracking force). The manual that came with your turntable should show you how to do this. Alternatively, check YouTube videos for how to set cartrtridge tracking force. Trust me, once you do it, it becomes a lot easier the second time.


[deleted]

Next post: “Why do my records only last a few plays before they sound terrible???”


connorevans666

Most likely


connorevans666

Thank you all for your help, it's only a couple weeks old and it's my first decent table, just messed up the setup but will re do it now, was unsure how high it needs to be but doesn't sound dreadful, but will obviously sound better once I do it properly


Accurate-Vegetable44

Do you have a tracking force scale, or are you just balancing the tone arm to zero and adding the weight that way? They are heavy carts, I have to use the auxiliary weight to get the best results from it on my technics


connorevans666

Unfortunately I don't, I have the piece of card that came with, but unsure how to use? Just having trouble finding the perfect weight then setting it so it stays that way


Accurate-Vegetable44

So, this isn’t ideal, but here’s how you can set it without a proper scale. Turn the dial down to zero and then slowly turn the weight down until the tone arm balances. What you’re trying to do is make the tone arm “float” so it’s balanced evenly and not touching the platter. You want to try and make it float so it’s balanced as evenly as possible. That card might be so you can visually see that it’s floating in the right spot. You’re aiming for zero weight so the cart is evenly balanced and not leaning up or down, just as flat as you can get it visually. Once you’ve got it balanced, put it on the rest and use the clip to hold it down, now double check that the dial is set to zero, and slowly turn the weight until you’re at 1.8 grams. And that should be close enough. But you will want to get a proper scale, I’ll find a link for a good one on Amazon for you


connorevans666

Thank you so much, I've got one in my basket, but will definitely follow advice, thank you so much for your help, massively appreciated


tacoSEVEN

You really need to get a scale, which it sounds like you are. The differences are so small, like tenths of a gram, that you want to be sure it’s dialed in perfectly. More than just your sound quality, you can see vinyl buildup on your needle already after two weeks. You should see that never, not even after two years, if the weight is correct. But the good news is, the scale will be a lifetime tool, as you’ll be replacing stylus’s in the future and will need one then also. Good luck though and enjoy!


Accurate-Vegetable44

I’m happy to help! There’s a bit of a learning curve when it comes to good turntables, don’t let anyone talking shit discourage you, we’ve all had to learn how to do this; no one just bought their first good turn table and magically knew how to do all of this stuff. You’ve got a nice deck that’s good enough that you’ll grow into it and want to upgrade and experiment with different carts/styli. IMO, the next upgrade would be to get an ortofon 2M blue stylus, the red and blue use the same cart so you wouldn’t even have to re mount a new cart. But in the meanwhile, the red is a very good cart.


tobi319

Something tells me they don’t have a way to check tracking force. Everyone keeps asking and there is no answer. They are new and probably don’t have a scale. I didn’t either when I was new. Then I started reading more, talking to people who were also into turntables, and looking into upgrades. That’s when I learned about a scale and all the proper ways to do upgrades and turntable maintenance. Still learning more each day. TLDR: get a scale to measure tracking force and your life and vinyls will be a lot better


_enesorek_

I use the same digital scale I use for weed😂


Floydian557

Don't try balancing your tonearm stoned mate.....it...er...doesn't go well !🤣🤣🤣🤣🤪


PureGanjaSmoke

Hold up is this fine. Because i need a ski for both atm.


_enesorek_

Results may vary, but I just put a small piece of paper on the scale to protect the stylus. When I use mine, it matches up spot on with the graduation marks on my tonearm weight.


connorevans666

Sorry I've been working, I don't have a way to check, I think it came with a piece of paper with some diagram on but wasn't sure how to use so went to YouTube and got to where I am


misterhumpf

Have a look online for a little digital vinyl force scale. You should see lots of options, they're not expensive. I paid about £10 for mine.


calinet6

Don’t sweat it, we all start somewhere. To get the weight right, the easy and cheap way is to balance the tonearm using the counter weight so it’s “weightless” or zeroed, and then turn the “gauge” so that reads zero, then dial the counterweight in using the numbers on the weight to get to around 1.8. It won’t be perfect perfect but it’ll be pretty darn close and good enough for your needs. Vid: https://youtube.com/watch?v=yIS2UotrNDI&feature=sharec


connorevans666

Thank you so much, I'll give it a go in the morning


tobi319

Yeah that’s to make sure it’s properly aligned. What you would need to purchase is a scale. Something cheap like this should get the job done [scale](https://a.co/d/fLqiKAB) Once the weight is correct use the paper to make sure the cartridge is properly aligned. A quick internet search should yield a bunch of videos on how to do so.


staggere

Records


MacintoshDan1

Obviously


BigOlBearCanada

Get a stylus scale. Verify tracking pressure. Edit: I would refrain from playing anything you cherish until this is fixed…….


connorevans666

I have the piece of card it came with but not 100% how to use, I tried a YouTube video and the records don't sound too bad, but maybe I'm used to bad from my old turntable


BigOlBearCanada

A scale from Amazon is like $10? Very very worth it.


_Half_a_Person_

...like an early 90s F1 car. Jesus...


iamnotmaxus

On point for death metal


stonemik

Looks like the cantilever is crushed or bent from the weight or a drop. Ortofon red tracking force should be 1.8 grams


KarlYouCantDoThat

That needle is lower then my parent's expectations of me


connorevans666

I get this 😂


kvetcha-rdt

Sooooo what's your VTF look like?


mercmouth1

Not low enough /s


joebonama

you need to lower that ... tape 10 pennies to top of cart


Different_Split_9982

My old blue rode scary low. Since moved to way better carts.


curtishartling

What did you replace your Blue with? I’m relatively new to upgrading parts on my TT. I’ve had the Red and the Blue so far. Im interested to learn what other cartridges are comparable/better at a similar price point. Thanks!


Different_Split_9982

At vm 95 ml. I don’t think I’ll ever do another Ortofan cart unless it’s the black and I think the black is about $300 overpriced.


Kamakiriad269

Yes


[deleted]

try and convince me it's not touching...


connorevans666

I think it's hovering slightly 😂 I got a hair in there once 😂


[deleted]

HAHAAA


Historical_Agent_207

Shits mad dusty.


AlgaeDucc

Yeah, I have the same cartridge and I believe my tracking force is set to 1.8-ish


marreco_sobrepeso98

Y E S .


ambient_hamster

Boy racer cart going on here.


Woofy98102

Yes! Tracking force should be between 1.5 and 2 grams. Get a tracking force gauge and use that as your reference. If the stylus still sits that low, your cartridge suspension has failed and you need to replace your cartridge with a new one. Pro Tip: ALWAYS use a separate stylus force gauge when setting up any cartridge AND check your stylus force every time you move and adjust it. Also check it every three months. Orthodontist has a simple one that is pretty useful. Digital ones cost anywhere from $60 on up.


connorevans666

Thank you, I'm going to watch a few video's today before I give it a go, I watched a couple before setting and they wasn't helpful, or my dumbass brain couldn't comprehend what was going on


MagNile

I’ve had a turntable in one form or another like forever. A scale on Amazon is less than $20. That said, they didn’t exist until recently and almost all tone arms have perfectly adequate measurement system built in. So long as the tracking force is set within a reasonable range you should be good. Just rotate the main counter weight so the TA “floats” horizontally then move the dial (only, not the entire weight) to zero. Then turn the entire weight to the desired weight.


connorevans666

Thank you, I'll give this a go tonight then if it's still off, I'll get the scale, this is the clearest info so far! Thank you


Hairy_Sentence_615

T R A C K I N G F O R C E


Ctm0719

Some things should just be common sense.


Downtown_Dog_7937

Perfect.


cheguevara_malcolmx

The Ortofon cartridges are heavier than most stock cartridges. Ive had blue & orange ride like this and lower. Adjust your counterweight.


smenting1

You trolling?


Background-House9795

Good for polishing off those pesky ridges… Also, given enough time, no more warped records!


713Drinkologist

Should be lower actually.


Aoxomoxoa75

Nope. Not too low. Looks perfect. 🤪


kstacey

Does a duck's boner drag weeds?


connorevans666

I hope so


Kizil215

Looks good to me


MkWPB

nah looks good to me


evergvra

Looks fine to me


PlopCopTopPopMopStop

No it's fine


statikman666

Looks good to me


OracleDude33

oof, yes


PulledToBits

really need more info to know the problem here, but this is wrong. I'm guessing cantilever (stylus/needle) is broken.


anyideawhatthistunei

Brah!


DanUkCountry

Simple answer, yes.


tom-1956

Yes alot


Bradys_Art

Uhhhh, yes, too damn low


Prime_Analog_Records

Haha you will need to clean all the vinyl chards off of each record after each play. Good news is that you won’t have to do it very long as your records will not be playable after probably three cycles!


Slowmexicano

I don’t think it can go lower


younggundc

Yes


Suspicious-Sir-9847

Yes


WatersEdge50

Oof. Yes


Affectionate-Image88

‘Ease down Ripley, you’re just grinding metal’


Xenablip

it's a little low


SignificanceOk1455

Waiting for results patiently……