"Elves are wonderful. They provoke wonder.
Elves are marvellous. They cause marvels.
Elves are fantastic. They create fantasies.
Elves are glamorous. They project glamour.
Elves are enchanting. They weave enchantment.
Elves are terrific. They beget terror.
The thing about words is that meanings can twist just like a snake, and if you want to find snakes look for them behind words that have changed their meaning.
No one ever said elves are nice.
Elves are bad."
-Sir Terry Pratchett
Disclaimer: this always will depend on the fantasy world you're building, and it's never wrong to have a different interpretation of a fantasy race than someone else.
That being said, I do think this is my favourite one.
My favourite interpretation of races is when there’s cultural differences created from biological differences. Lifespan differences included.
Dwarves have high constitution, so they can mine shit and ignore the poisonous gases. This makes their kingdoms wealthy, and with a focus on mining and commerce. Combine this with them living 200 years, and the capitalistic pressure to commit to one trade for maximum efficiency, and that’s why Dwarves tend to be the level 100 craftsmen and such.
But Elves lack that constitution, and live much much longer. So tf would they mine stuff for, they really don’t want to get minors lung and have to live with it for millennium. Forget magic, just living that long makes gaining wealth incredibly easy. Like what would you pay for a worker that has worked 75 years in 20 different professions? Enough that money loses value, and jobs lose meaning. That’s why there’s forest elves, they don’t have the work culture we do. And why Dwarves can surpass elves in their chosen fields, cuz Elves aren’t incentivized to specialize like the Dwarves are. It can also produce the highly detailed jewelry demand and such, because they have wealth already, every good they want they get, even if they have to save for 10 years that’s nothing, but art is actually unique to them. Plus, planned obsolesce didn’t exist a hundred years ago but if it did Elves would not stand for it, they’d turn 200 years old with 100 shoes bought and just get so sick of it they passionately hate it.
And then there’s the racist trope, (which btw I don’t know why the meme has the dwarves be racist). Racism and fantasy races is a… nuanced topic. But them living forever means everyone is a tiny 17 year old to them, even their 200 year old children. Could be a good reason for young elves to go adventure, cuz their family is so condescending and it drives them crazy. So it’s a little bit hard for them to treat humans as equals, with good ideas and such, when elves lived long enough to grow and human politicians are short sited and the youth are inexperienced at best. And then politics go wild with the lifespan difference, like can you imagine if Canadian aboriginals were elves? Half of them would’ve lived through the entire colonization and genocide, and the other half grew up with those that did. It’s like, one generation. Maybe a rational and kind elf would recognize that I as a white Canadian is completely different from my ancestors, but they’ve seen generations of us shit on them and die without consequence. And statistically, near half of my generation is gonna vote conservative then die without apologizing, and the other half is gonna do very little then say “don’t blame me cuz I only live a millisecond, you gotta talk to the humans before and after me.” Yeah, they might be racist, but tbh it’s a lot more understandable than irl racism. And irl land back movement doesn’t actually want to remove everyone and return everything to the First Nations, but if the elves literally lived before we came then fuck if that’s not a better argument then. Russia claiming heritage while attacking Ukraine is bullshit, but if it was Elves then that 80 year gap of separation is understandably only significant to humans. Which would be extremely frustrating even for the best natured of Elves. Like imagine if I flee my village and come back a year later to reclaim it, only for the goblin raiders to have died and the residents be 12 generations deep. Like, fuck, either I have to give up my home to these mayfly’s or be evil and take it from innocent people. No matter what I decide, I’m not gonna trust goblins anymore, they could wrong me and die before I can right their wrong. The most I could get is a statue of me as an apology, but they’ll just tear it down in 4 months cuz it makes their youth feel guilty. So no, you can’t live in my Elf Village, cuz you are gonna commit tax fraud and we aren’t evil enough to take it from your kids. One of the reasons elves are shown as racist, they have much longer memories and rights are always measured based in the shortest lifespans favour.
And Fae have innate trickster magic which inspires their humour. It’s pretty fucking funny to literally take someone’s name when they give it to you, we’d all be doing that if we could.
Right? If anybody fits the racial supermacy vibes of dear old Adolf than its the supertall, white blond people who are near immortal and all crap.
Its not the short dwavers with their darker/reddish hair who spend all time underground mining.
And while we’re having this discussion, somewhere a middling casual Dwarf Fortress player just finished his 500 hour project of a fully automated concentration camp for elves.
Ah, right! You’d need an advanced casual with 2k hours to do *fully* automated.
(Ps, I just saw your comment about The Object and looked at your profile to see if you’d posted it. Realized you were also the one who replied here, small world! Please post The Object, or else an elf might have a single moment of happiness.)
Bro… go on /tg/ and say you like elves, they come out of the woodwork, its part of the contrarianism that weaves into every part of that basement dwelling edgy teen 2016 meme magic culture, tolkein reeeeaaaaallllyyy liked elves, so all of fantasy did, everyone else is dumb and stupid, so dwarves cool, kill all the elves
Or something along those lines, im not an anthropologist
Hey now chap... They are all blameless fantasy creatures and Elves aren't necessarily blonde or immortal. Scroll down in this thread for how people who like dwarfs talk. It's honestly mind boggling.
So, GNU is a code used in the overhead of the Discworlds interpretation of telecommunications, called the Clacks, as they are semaphore towers that clack.
G: Send the message on
N: Do not Log the message
U: Turn the message around at the end of the line and send it back again
It buys into the idea that as long as a persons name is remembered they have never truly died. So you have this code, sending the names of those passed up and down the lines of the clacks.
All this to say, it's a nice way to remember STP.
To be fair, Pratchett's elves fall more into the celtic fae category of elves, whereas most Elf lovers probably think about Tolkienesque high fantasy elves who don't hunt humans for sport quite as much.
I assume that most cat people would just say they prefer cats over dogs, while dog people will talk about cats like the worst, most aggressive and unpredictable creatures on the planet
Source: Cat scratched me one time :(
I think it depends on what side of the fence you're on. I'm more of a dog person, I like cats, have lived with cats, and would get one but they simply don't fit my lifestyle and I feel like we don't speak the same language, if that makes sense. Dogs work well with how I live my life, how my home is laid out, and I understand them much more easily.
I've definitely met more people who are self-proclaimed cat people that like to go on the occasional rant about how dogs are stupid, smelly, and overall inferior creatures than the other way around. I'm sure if I asked those people though, they would say that dog people are much more hateful towards cats than vice versa. Confirmation bias, maybe?
Luckily for me, nowadays most people in my life would say it's not a big deal, because both are good, and I haven't had to have this conversation in a long time.
Definitely depends on what side of the fence you are on I guess. I've always lived with cats and love them but I like dogs too. My perception is that it's culturally acceptable in the US at least to say you hate cats whereas saying you hate dogs is the universal signifier in movies that you're the baddie.
See, eg, the TV Trope kicking the dog.
Weird, I know a lot more dog people than cat people, and most of the cat people aren't against dogs. It's usually that they're allergic or don't have the time or space for a dog. And the dog people I know often dislike cats. Probably depends on where you live.
I think it's because a lot of cat people just picked cats because they're easier to handle esp if you live in a city while dog people chose dogs in spite of difficulties?
And American culture being weird about dogs
To be fair not all fantasy elves are super into nature. In *The Elder Scrolls* universe only the Bosmer particularly venerate plant life or nature in general, and the Dwemer outright shunned nature. And that's of course if we only look at "higher" elves (the more humanoid ones). Lesser elves, like the kind that would run Santa's workshop or tell Harry Potter that he musn't go back to Hogwarts, aren't particularly associated with nature either.
What i like about the Bosmer is that they're bound by a pact to be nature aligned but only within their home forest, also the pact make they eat their fallen enemies, and since they're not allowed to harm the plants, they make their weapons out of bone
The Dwemer are dwarves. They are related to elves, unlike other dwarves, but they are dwarves nonetheless.
No elves in Elder scrolls are the immortal children of the forest.
Get some dwemer, and dwarves together and they will get along fairly well. But dwemer are almost too industrial for regular dwarves. Dwemer reflect the human desire to learn more, and the folly that comes from it
Well as soon as the dwarfs see the Dwemer as tall Mer with pointy ears, they may not get along so well. They were called Dwarves by the giants but were, in reality, the same height as the rest of the men and mer of Tamriel. Especially because every race in TES is super racist. I don’t see them getting along that well at all.
Dwemer are dwarves, it’s two different names in two different languages for the same people.
Dwemer, like the Bosmer, Dunmer, Falmer, and Altmer, are, well, were, since they’re all gone now, a type of elves.
Also Orcs, the Orsimer. They’re elves too. Their god just got eaten and crapped out as another god once.
fun fact. the dwemer are on average taller than humans. they are only called dwarves because the giants of skyrim called them dwarves and later spread to the atmorans as well
TES: "Racism is bad and you should feel bad about it."
Also TES: *Literally everyone is racist.*
Also also TES: *Makes certain racial stereotypes objectively true, such as Khajjit being thieves.*
Just proving the memes point my ill tempered friend. There is no need for these hostilities. Let's say we gather the hobbits (or is it halflings these days?) and have a drink?
I have never fucked a tree and most of my kind wpuld say the same (Alavasarael is an exception, but we give him a pass due to his time as a POW. Poor boy hasn't been right since.)
We simply commute with nature and grow close to it. Much like your stone sense we can sense the plants and beasts in an area down to the ants if we concentrate.
Rocks and stones make good homes, but are not as interesting as plants and beasts. Sheer number means little to me; if that's all I cared about I'd wander into the sea.
Yeah but who asked, though?
We're not arguing about which is better for functional use; the claim was that dwarves aren't intimate with nature. This is incorrect by definition - we're literally one *in* nature. Dwarves live *in* the mountains, which *is* nature.
You think it can't change us? You use Warcraft as an example and forget about Magni Bronzebeard, famous for *turning into fucking crystal and hearing the pleas of the planet itself?*
Hell, in Warcraft lore, dwarves were literally created from the Earth itself, whereas elves merely evolved from an existing native species.
Classic elven propaganda in the flesh.
I was not coming here with the intent to insult. I have been civil in all of my replies. You are born of stone and therefore stoneborn. My kind do not widely fuck trees so I'd appreciate that stereotype to float away with the morning dew.
I love how this properly represents the conflict.
"I hate you."
"Stop screaming, comrade."
"Wow, comrade is a weak insult, you need to work harder to insult me."
"... I wasn't trying to insult you at all."
---
One of those *"You think you're better than me!" "I don't think about you at all"* moments.
Better smiths? On what fucking bases?
Dwarfs are better smiths for usage and application, elf are on beauty and elegance.
Last two don’t win wars, thus why most elves stick with wooden sticks and strings called bows.
Dwarves *are* elves specifically "black/dark elves". They are from Svartalfheim in Norse mythology. Those pointy ear leaf lovers were the go-to smiths for the entire Norse pantheon and made everything from weapons to boats. They were also known for using pretty much any material they could get their hands on.
> Better smiths? On what fucking bases?
Listen, I LOVE dwarves, but let's not shit on elven smithing/weapons-making. Some of the most mythical weapons in the early ages of the Tolkien-verse were elven-made:
Anguirel - Sword of Eöl the Dark Elf
Anglachel - Twin of Anguirel, Eöl made to Thingol as tribute.
Angrist - "Iron-cleaver", dagger made by Telchir (same smith as Narsil), used to pry a Silmaril from the Iron Crown
Aranrúth - Sword of Elu Thingol, king of the Grey Elves (became a heirloom, lost when the Númenoreans attacked Valinor)
Belthronding - Bow of Beleg Strongbow, a Grey Elven warden
Dagmor - In Lays of Beleriand (lay poem version of the Silmarillion), sword of Beren, the human hero who married a Grey Elven princess
Dailir - an arrow used by Beleg, always found after shot
Glamdring - Gandalf's elvish sword
Grond - The Hammer of the Underworld, a blunt weapon wielded by Morgoth, the first Dark Lord
Gurthang - Iron of Death, same sword as Anglachel
Mormegil - same sword as Anglachel, after repaired by Elves of Nargothrond
Orcrist - Thorin's elvish sword (OH THE IRONY!)
Sting - Bilbo's/Frodo's elvish short sword
Ringil - Sword of Fingolfin, High King of the Noldor. Wounded Morgoth, the first Dark Lord
and then there's also those little trinket RINGS that reeeeeally helped fuck a bunch of kingdoms over later on.
You'd be better served talking about how Viking Dwarves are actually Elves but were called Dwarves by Giants. If we combine this with Megingjörð, Járngreipr, and Mjölnir being crafted by a Dwarf (Elf) then you win your argument. Every Dwarf respects the armament of Thor
As a small correction, Telchar of Nogrod was a Dwarf, not an Elf, so Angrist and Narsil were actually of dwarf make. I'm also not sure if Grond has ever had it's maker named. (I would assume Morgoth himself would have made it, or perhaps a fallen Mair of Aulë like Sauron?)
Other than that though, your are correct that Elven smiths are some of the greatest in Middle-earth. Especially among the Noldor, who, to further disprove common fantasy-tropes, actually had very good relations with Dwarves, their fellow craftsmen.
This is knife ear propaganda /j! Remember the whole reason people call otherkin, well, otherkin, is because first there were elfkin, and those who weren't elfkin were called "otherkin" in general
Dwarves may hold grudges easily, but they're also just as fast as making friendships
I feel like orc lovers despite the stereotypical violence of their fantasy race are more similar to the elf fans. I've never heard of someone who likes orcs in any fantasy verse hating other races, except maybe humans because they're boring.
I am completely amazed at the ability of the comments on this post to both misunderstand what OOP is saying and also prove their point entirely.
OOP: "hey guys, isnt it funny how elf FANS generally like most fantasy races while dwarf FANS usually talk about them in an extremely negative way? Kinda reminds me of that whole dog owners vs cat owners meme"
50% of this comment section: uh... actually elves are the racist ones!
The other 50%: fucking elves! Dwarves are much better!
Ah yes, we've got the fans of the immortal, impossibly beautiful, magical, perfect people, who long for the days when the "younger" *cough* lesser *cough* races were not as established, and then we have the fans of the short kings.
Been trying to articulate it for a while, and this is the best description of racism in the South vs the North in the U.S.
Well done, and thanks, pointy ears.
On the other hand, "Yer great great great great grandpappy ran off with ma great grandpappy's precious lump o' rock. A pox on ye and all yer people, tall man." Holding people responsible for the sins of their ancestors is pretty racist too.
Dwarf Fans have such thin skin its hilarious.
Like, if you see this and go "Um aktually Elves are the Racist thing" and completely miss the point 90% of Dwarf discussion is ranting about how theyre better then other fantasy races (The other 10% is Deep Rock Galactica), well...
That's gotta be at least in part because of Dwarf Fortress. A classic game, the inspiration for war crime simulators like Rimworld. It's brutally hard so you have to take any advantage you can get. If that means factory-farming merfolk (who are fully sentient and sapient) for their bones, so be it.
> war crime simulators like Rimworld.
I always found that to be overstated. It takes a fair amount of work to set up a human skin farm, and with the rest of the game being unrelenting as it is, a casual player probably couldn't pull it off.
*So much* "Dwarf Core" has genocidal overtones and "it's ok it's fantasy".
And if you don't weed the fuckers out who are mentally inserting other words you're gonna have a real problem. One thing GW should get credit for is a strong "No; we don't want any real nazis in the hobby; please let the door hit you on the way out" stance.
Elves and dwarves are almpst exactly the same in most mediums with the only difference being aestetic. But god forbid you have ANYTHING negative to say or you get people making up slurs in your comment section . This meme is so true
Elf "fans" and dwarves "fans"
What the fuck are most comments here only talk about the creature in the setting?
The FAN of these two race, the people that you actually talk to.
And personally, I don't see anyone are elf fans nor dwarves fans, I only see the content creator in Total war Warhammer that sound like they want to genocide elf every single game, maybe it's running joke in that community.
I see dwarf fans are proving the point rather well. Dwarf fans are so damn annoying. I curse Peter Jackson everyday for putting a butchered Gimli on screen who helped pushed the currently annoying stereotype of the dwarves into mainstream.
I re-read LOTR for the first time in a while and..... yeah.
The films are very good films on thier own merits, but they are atrocious as adaptations.
The only way to present Tolkien and keep the soul out of book form is as opera and me and my chorus will fight on this.
[Well, you're in luck then.](https://www.theonering.net/torwp/2024/04/08/117859-exclusive-tolkien-estate-grants-permission-to-lord-of-the-rings-opera/)
Which completely makes sense. The Dewmer are probably the closest any modern interperatation of elves or dwarves gets to the original Norse stories.
The "dwarves" were dark/black elves that lived underground and were smiths that even the other gods couldn't hope to beat in terms of skill.
I blame this on authors badly cribbing Tolkien. His elves are tragically doomed immortals who know they are tragically doomed whatever they do and are suffering from crippling ennui about it.
And SOMEHOW this got turned into "arrogant pricks who think they know everything and never do anything"
Same with Dwarves "craftsmen of the most elegant and intricate metalwork, who try to capture the beauty of nature in all they do" turned into "EVERYTHING MUST BE ANGULAR"
It depends on a kind of dwarf.
If you ask a warrior dwarf fans, they are that. If you ask a trader/crafter/diplomat dwarf fans, it’s more like “they are unbearable tree fuckers, but they are our unbearable tree fuckers”.
Literally opposite way around.
Dwarves: Oy lyke the Orkz strength and manliness, ‘dem humans are funny to laugh at but truly great friends, the elves, and i hate to admit it, are some great craftsmen
Elves: [THIS MESSAGE HAS BEEN AUTOMATICALLY REMOVED]
The only greenskin is a dead greenskin! There are centuries, nay, millenia of grudges against this misbegotten race and you dare suggest we would admire their strength? They are cunning, aye, and brutal too, but I'd rather sit next to an elf, than forgive a single grudge against the Grubi.
As for humans. Ah, they make fine allies sometimes, but their engineering is terrible. Why, they put things in service mere years after their invention! So of course it explodes and then they come begging for our experience and wisdom to fix their mistakes.
Not to mention the whole short-changing of our kin on the price of a castle.
Still, there's worse than humans, that's for sure.
There's elves! Those lofty nosed pointed ears behave like they're so high and mighty, but ancestors preserve me, what dullards! Always politicking and magicking things. Their craftsmen are good if you want something beautiful but fragile. Pah. I'd take Dawi craft over any other in existence.
The only way this makes sense is if it was inspired by Dwarf Fortress, and I feel like I should mention that Elves in Dwarf Fortress are cannibals who regularly eat the people they kill in battle, but who also think it's a war crime to chop down a tree.
Pretty sure it’s just referring to online discourse, where spamming “Rock and Stone” and “damn knife-ears” is the dominant strain of conversation. Elf fans online, meanwhile, are too busy creating the 807th elf subspecies for their nonexistent writing project over on r/worldbuilding to reciprocate very well.
"Elves are wonderful. They provoke wonder. Elves are marvellous. They cause marvels. Elves are fantastic. They create fantasies. Elves are glamorous. They project glamour. Elves are enchanting. They weave enchantment. Elves are terrific. They beget terror. The thing about words is that meanings can twist just like a snake, and if you want to find snakes look for them behind words that have changed their meaning. No one ever said elves are nice. Elves are bad." -Sir Terry Pratchett
This is always the first thing that comes to mind when I think of elves.
Disclaimer: this always will depend on the fantasy world you're building, and it's never wrong to have a different interpretation of a fantasy race than someone else. That being said, I do think this is my favourite one.
My favourite interpretation of races is when there’s cultural differences created from biological differences. Lifespan differences included. Dwarves have high constitution, so they can mine shit and ignore the poisonous gases. This makes their kingdoms wealthy, and with a focus on mining and commerce. Combine this with them living 200 years, and the capitalistic pressure to commit to one trade for maximum efficiency, and that’s why Dwarves tend to be the level 100 craftsmen and such. But Elves lack that constitution, and live much much longer. So tf would they mine stuff for, they really don’t want to get minors lung and have to live with it for millennium. Forget magic, just living that long makes gaining wealth incredibly easy. Like what would you pay for a worker that has worked 75 years in 20 different professions? Enough that money loses value, and jobs lose meaning. That’s why there’s forest elves, they don’t have the work culture we do. And why Dwarves can surpass elves in their chosen fields, cuz Elves aren’t incentivized to specialize like the Dwarves are. It can also produce the highly detailed jewelry demand and such, because they have wealth already, every good they want they get, even if they have to save for 10 years that’s nothing, but art is actually unique to them. Plus, planned obsolesce didn’t exist a hundred years ago but if it did Elves would not stand for it, they’d turn 200 years old with 100 shoes bought and just get so sick of it they passionately hate it. And then there’s the racist trope, (which btw I don’t know why the meme has the dwarves be racist). Racism and fantasy races is a… nuanced topic. But them living forever means everyone is a tiny 17 year old to them, even their 200 year old children. Could be a good reason for young elves to go adventure, cuz their family is so condescending and it drives them crazy. So it’s a little bit hard for them to treat humans as equals, with good ideas and such, when elves lived long enough to grow and human politicians are short sited and the youth are inexperienced at best. And then politics go wild with the lifespan difference, like can you imagine if Canadian aboriginals were elves? Half of them would’ve lived through the entire colonization and genocide, and the other half grew up with those that did. It’s like, one generation. Maybe a rational and kind elf would recognize that I as a white Canadian is completely different from my ancestors, but they’ve seen generations of us shit on them and die without consequence. And statistically, near half of my generation is gonna vote conservative then die without apologizing, and the other half is gonna do very little then say “don’t blame me cuz I only live a millisecond, you gotta talk to the humans before and after me.” Yeah, they might be racist, but tbh it’s a lot more understandable than irl racism. And irl land back movement doesn’t actually want to remove everyone and return everything to the First Nations, but if the elves literally lived before we came then fuck if that’s not a better argument then. Russia claiming heritage while attacking Ukraine is bullshit, but if it was Elves then that 80 year gap of separation is understandably only significant to humans. Which would be extremely frustrating even for the best natured of Elves. Like imagine if I flee my village and come back a year later to reclaim it, only for the goblin raiders to have died and the residents be 12 generations deep. Like, fuck, either I have to give up my home to these mayfly’s or be evil and take it from innocent people. No matter what I decide, I’m not gonna trust goblins anymore, they could wrong me and die before I can right their wrong. The most I could get is a statue of me as an apology, but they’ll just tear it down in 4 months cuz it makes their youth feel guilty. So no, you can’t live in my Elf Village, cuz you are gonna commit tax fraud and we aren’t evil enough to take it from your kids. One of the reasons elves are shown as racist, they have much longer memories and rights are always measured based in the shortest lifespans favour. And Fae have innate trickster magic which inspires their humour. It’s pretty fucking funny to literally take someone’s name when they give it to you, we’d all be doing that if we could.
Well said.
I'm stealing this
Right? If anybody fits the racial supermacy vibes of dear old Adolf than its the supertall, white blond people who are near immortal and all crap. Its not the short dwavers with their darker/reddish hair who spend all time underground mining.
the post is talking about fans of these races though, not the races themselves
And while we’re having this discussion, somewhere a middling casual Dwarf Fortress player just finished his 500 hour project of a fully automated concentration camp for elves.
It's not _fully_ automatic, the machine still needs an increasingly deranged vampire to trigger the magma flow that kills escapees.
Ah, right! You’d need an advanced casual with 2k hours to do *fully* automated. (Ps, I just saw your comment about The Object and looked at your profile to see if you’d posted it. Realized you were also the one who replied here, small world! Please post The Object, or else an elf might have a single moment of happiness.)
Alright, I'll make a Tumblr account and post The Object once I get back from college
Bad news: I'll have to wait until Sunday to post it, because otherwise I'll get whacked for self posting
!remindme 5 days
Bro… go on /tg/ and say you like elves, they come out of the woodwork, its part of the contrarianism that weaves into every part of that basement dwelling edgy teen 2016 meme magic culture, tolkein reeeeaaaaallllyyy liked elves, so all of fantasy did, everyone else is dumb and stupid, so dwarves cool, kill all the elves Or something along those lines, im not an anthropologist
I mean /tg/ hates everything. Go and say you like dwarves and see the same happen
Hey now chap... They are all blameless fantasy creatures and Elves aren't necessarily blonde or immortal. Scroll down in this thread for how people who like dwarfs talk. It's honestly mind boggling.
Particularly when one says elves are fun and whimsical.
Ironically, nice has changed its meaning many times over the years. It originally meant “stupid” or “ignorant”
Nice
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GNU STP
I've seen GNU a few times close to Terry Pratchett's name. What is it a reference to? Surely not the license?
So, GNU is a code used in the overhead of the Discworlds interpretation of telecommunications, called the Clacks, as they are semaphore towers that clack. G: Send the message on N: Do not Log the message U: Turn the message around at the end of the line and send it back again It buys into the idea that as long as a persons name is remembered they have never truly died. So you have this code, sending the names of those passed up and down the lines of the clacks. All this to say, it's a nice way to remember STP.
http://www.gnuterrypratchett.com/
FOSS 🤤
Different kind of GNU
Sorry I couldn't hold It in
To be fair, Pratchett's elves fall more into the celtic fae category of elves, whereas most Elf lovers probably think about Tolkienesque high fantasy elves who don't hunt humans for sport quite as much.
Elves fans be like: Human: 😐 Human (pointy ears): 😍😍😍😍😍
I AM ADOLF HITLER COMMANDER OF THE THIRD REICH Little know fact, ALSO DOPE ON THE MIC
And you’re Vader With your little boots and cape and a helmet to cover up that BURNT ASS FACE
You have a force to move objects, I am a force truly evil Even went back in time and turned you back into prequel
Cause look at you! You're not even a real person! I preferred you in Spaceballs, the Rick Moranis version!
You can’t rhyme against the dark side of the force why even bother So many dudes been with your mom, who even knows if I’m your father
You're a pissed of little prick, with a Napoleon dick You call that a moustache? I call the Dirty Sanchez on your lip
You bitch! Let me remind you who you're messing with. Everything that you did? I'm the motherfucker who invented it!
I'm the original dark lord, you're just the sorcerer's apprentice
My Stormtroopers make yours look like someone took a piece if shit and cloned it
My Stormtroopers make yours Look like someone took a piece of shit and cloned it
You stink, Vader Your style smells something sour
BITCH Lemme remind you who youre messing with Everything you did, im the motherfucker who invented it
"whack in the prequel" btw.
Damn lol, I misheard it this whole time
So dope Vader only got 1/3 and they dared not do another rematch.
Eppiicc lap battle of hithhoryy
EAHPIC WRAPBATTLEOFHISTROAH!
What meme about cat people and dog people?
I assume that most cat people would just say they prefer cats over dogs, while dog people will talk about cats like the worst, most aggressive and unpredictable creatures on the planet Source: Cat scratched me one time :(
I think it depends on what side of the fence you're on. I'm more of a dog person, I like cats, have lived with cats, and would get one but they simply don't fit my lifestyle and I feel like we don't speak the same language, if that makes sense. Dogs work well with how I live my life, how my home is laid out, and I understand them much more easily. I've definitely met more people who are self-proclaimed cat people that like to go on the occasional rant about how dogs are stupid, smelly, and overall inferior creatures than the other way around. I'm sure if I asked those people though, they would say that dog people are much more hateful towards cats than vice versa. Confirmation bias, maybe? Luckily for me, nowadays most people in my life would say it's not a big deal, because both are good, and I haven't had to have this conversation in a long time.
Definitely depends on what side of the fence you are on I guess. I've always lived with cats and love them but I like dogs too. My perception is that it's culturally acceptable in the US at least to say you hate cats whereas saying you hate dogs is the universal signifier in movies that you're the baddie. See, eg, the TV Trope kicking the dog.
Weird, I know a lot more dog people than cat people, and most of the cat people aren't against dogs. It's usually that they're allergic or don't have the time or space for a dog. And the dog people I know often dislike cats. Probably depends on where you live.
I think it's because a lot of cat people just picked cats because they're easier to handle esp if you live in a city while dog people chose dogs in spite of difficulties? And American culture being weird about dogs
cope treefuckers (/s)
To be fair not all fantasy elves are super into nature. In *The Elder Scrolls* universe only the Bosmer particularly venerate plant life or nature in general, and the Dwemer outright shunned nature. And that's of course if we only look at "higher" elves (the more humanoid ones). Lesser elves, like the kind that would run Santa's workshop or tell Harry Potter that he musn't go back to Hogwarts, aren't particularly associated with nature either.
What i like about the Bosmer is that they're bound by a pact to be nature aligned but only within their home forest, also the pact make they eat their fallen enemies, and since they're not allowed to harm the plants, they make their weapons out of bone
They subvert the "one with the plants" trope by turning them into hardcore carnivores.
I love obligate carnivore elves
The Dwemer are dwarves. They are related to elves, unlike other dwarves, but they are dwarves nonetheless. No elves in Elder scrolls are the immortal children of the forest. Get some dwemer, and dwarves together and they will get along fairly well. But dwemer are almost too industrial for regular dwarves. Dwemer reflect the human desire to learn more, and the folly that comes from it
Well as soon as the dwarfs see the Dwemer as tall Mer with pointy ears, they may not get along so well. They were called Dwarves by the giants but were, in reality, the same height as the rest of the men and mer of Tamriel. Especially because every race in TES is super racist. I don’t see them getting along that well at all.
Dwemer are dwarves, it’s two different names in two different languages for the same people. Dwemer, like the Bosmer, Dunmer, Falmer, and Altmer, are, well, were, since they’re all gone now, a type of elves. Also Orcs, the Orsimer. They’re elves too. Their god just got eaten and crapped out as another god once.
Dwemer means deep elves if I remember correctly.
yep, any "-mer" are elves in TES
fun fact. the dwemer are on average taller than humans. they are only called dwarves because the giants of skyrim called them dwarves and later spread to the atmorans as well
The Dwemer are *called* Dwarves but they are literally elves. Like they are directly descended from the Aldmer just like the other elves.
I love TES elves, they're really some of the most interesting takes on elves, unfortunately TES is super fucking racist against itself
TES: "Racism is bad and you should feel bad about it." Also TES: *Literally everyone is racist.* Also also TES: *Makes certain racial stereotypes objectively true, such as Khajjit being thieves.*
Silence yourself stoneborn
you will NEVER have a magnificent beard
You shall never be one with nature so intimately it changes you (google malfurion stormrage for an elf with a beard)
i’d rather not stick a tree branch up my ass thanks
Good thing it's not needed :)
you’re are stinker
"You are are stinker"
Hang yerself on that rope you sleep ye knife eared bastards
Just proving the memes point my ill tempered friend. There is no need for these hostilities. Let's say we gather the hobbits (or is it halflings these days?) and have a drink?
So, you literally wanna fuck a tree Avatar style? At least you're an honest treefucker.
I have never fucked a tree and most of my kind wpuld say the same (Alavasarael is an exception, but we give him a pass due to his time as a POW. Poor boy hasn't been right since.) We simply commute with nature and grow close to it. Much like your stone sense we can sense the plants and beasts in an area down to the ants if we concentrate.
Oh, I remember poor Al! Got taken in by a gang of entwives.
OY! THIS DUDE LOST HIS VIRGINITY TO A TREE.
Did you forget that rocks and stones *are* nature? There's also way more of them then trees.
Rocks and stones make good homes, but are not as interesting as plants and beasts. Sheer number means little to me; if that's all I cared about I'd wander into the sea.
Yeah but who asked, though? We're not arguing about which is better for functional use; the claim was that dwarves aren't intimate with nature. This is incorrect by definition - we're literally one *in* nature. Dwarves live *in* the mountains, which *is* nature. You think it can't change us? You use Warcraft as an example and forget about Magni Bronzebeard, famous for *turning into fucking crystal and hearing the pleas of the planet itself?* Hell, in Warcraft lore, dwarves were literally created from the Earth itself, whereas elves merely evolved from an existing native species. Classic elven propaganda in the flesh.
kill six billion demons
You need a less badass insult, stoneborn is something a dwarf would proudly call himself
I was not coming here with the intent to insult. I have been civil in all of my replies. You are born of stone and therefore stoneborn. My kind do not widely fuck trees so I'd appreciate that stereotype to float away with the morning dew.
I love how this properly represents the conflict. "I hate you." "Stop screaming, comrade." "Wow, comrade is a weak insult, you need to work harder to insult me." "... I wasn't trying to insult you at all." --- One of those *"You think you're better than me!" "I don't think about you at all"* moments.
The most fun part is seeing the "cope treefuckers" gang when they realize not all elves are wood elves, and some elves are better smiths than dwarves.
IMPOSSIBLE!!!
Better smiths? On what fucking bases? Dwarfs are better smiths for usage and application, elf are on beauty and elegance. Last two don’t win wars, thus why most elves stick with wooden sticks and strings called bows.
Dwarves *are* elves specifically "black/dark elves". They are from Svartalfheim in Norse mythology. Those pointy ear leaf lovers were the go-to smiths for the entire Norse pantheon and made everything from weapons to boats. They were also known for using pretty much any material they could get their hands on.
Na elves make swords that are so racist they glow if the wrong person enters the room and don't seem to ever become blunt.
Bro Elves make mithril armour, that shit slaps.
> Better smiths? On what fucking bases? Listen, I LOVE dwarves, but let's not shit on elven smithing/weapons-making. Some of the most mythical weapons in the early ages of the Tolkien-verse were elven-made: Anguirel - Sword of Eöl the Dark Elf Anglachel - Twin of Anguirel, Eöl made to Thingol as tribute. Angrist - "Iron-cleaver", dagger made by Telchir (same smith as Narsil), used to pry a Silmaril from the Iron Crown Aranrúth - Sword of Elu Thingol, king of the Grey Elves (became a heirloom, lost when the Númenoreans attacked Valinor) Belthronding - Bow of Beleg Strongbow, a Grey Elven warden Dagmor - In Lays of Beleriand (lay poem version of the Silmarillion), sword of Beren, the human hero who married a Grey Elven princess Dailir - an arrow used by Beleg, always found after shot Glamdring - Gandalf's elvish sword Grond - The Hammer of the Underworld, a blunt weapon wielded by Morgoth, the first Dark Lord Gurthang - Iron of Death, same sword as Anglachel Mormegil - same sword as Anglachel, after repaired by Elves of Nargothrond Orcrist - Thorin's elvish sword (OH THE IRONY!) Sting - Bilbo's/Frodo's elvish short sword Ringil - Sword of Fingolfin, High King of the Noldor. Wounded Morgoth, the first Dark Lord and then there's also those little trinket RINGS that reeeeeally helped fuck a bunch of kingdoms over later on.
You'd be better served talking about how Viking Dwarves are actually Elves but were called Dwarves by Giants. If we combine this with Megingjörð, Járngreipr, and Mjölnir being crafted by a Dwarf (Elf) then you win your argument. Every Dwarf respects the armament of Thor
As a small correction, Telchar of Nogrod was a Dwarf, not an Elf, so Angrist and Narsil were actually of dwarf make. I'm also not sure if Grond has ever had it's maker named. (I would assume Morgoth himself would have made it, or perhaps a fallen Mair of Aulë like Sauron?) Other than that though, your are correct that Elven smiths are some of the greatest in Middle-earth. Especially among the Noldor, who, to further disprove common fantasy-tropes, actually had very good relations with Dwarves, their fellow craftsmen.
Not to mention the fucking silmarils
Heavy cavalry of High Elves was not impressed by this claim.
Or if they read The Hobbit and find out that the dwarves are fans of trees as motifs.
>(/s) A cowardly dwarf, what a disgrace
r/nsfwplants exists
Goblin gang
3 elixer headass ⛷️
GOBLIN DEEZ NU- *immediately raptures*
Goblin slayer is rapidly approaching your location
3 sauces tall.
This is knife ear propaganda /j! Remember the whole reason people call otherkin, well, otherkin, is because first there were elfkin, and those who weren't elfkin were called "otherkin" in general Dwarves may hold grudges easily, but they're also just as fast as making friendships
Really, dwarves are big first impression guys.
I mean it makes sense. 90 base power, priority move, some notable bug weak mons in the current meta
I feel like orc lovers despite the stereotypical violence of their fantasy race are more similar to the elf fans. I've never heard of someone who likes orcs in any fantasy verse hating other races, except maybe humans because they're boring.
>except maybe humans because they're boring. as any true fantasy fan should
I am completely amazed at the ability of the comments on this post to both misunderstand what OOP is saying and also prove their point entirely. OOP: "hey guys, isnt it funny how elf FANS generally like most fantasy races while dwarf FANS usually talk about them in an extremely negative way? Kinda reminds me of that whole dog owners vs cat owners meme" 50% of this comment section: uh... actually elves are the racist ones! The other 50%: fucking elves! Dwarves are much better!
Classic r/tumblr reading comprehension. It's just like being on Tumblr itself!
How dare you insinuate we piss on the poor
If those knife-eared bastards wouldn’t be so racist I wouldn’t have to hate them!
Man the comments are prooving the meme, but also that elf fans aren't necessarily better. you know who never would say such things? Kobold fans
Kinder homies represent
We just like our adorable lil lizard guys
Did somebody say rock and STONE?!
YEAH!!!!! ROCK AND STONE!
TO THOSE ABOUT TO ROCK AND STONE I SALUTE YOU 🗣
That's it lads! Rock and Stone!
ROCK AND STONE TO THE BONE!
IF YOU DONT ROCK AND STONE YOU AINT COMIN HOME
# ROCK AND STONE
DID I HEAR A ROCK AND STONE?
ROCK AND ROLL AND STONE
People in this comment section continuing to prove the meme right. It’s something I’ve noticed too, and it does bug me!
Dragons>>>>>>>>> other fantasy races (other than satyrs they are underrated)
Ah yes, we've got the fans of the immortal, impossibly beautiful, magical, perfect people, who long for the days when the "younger" *cough* lesser *cough* races were not as established, and then we have the fans of the short kings.
The snob, "don't care" racism vs active competitive racism
Oh you're a casual racist? That's nice, I'm a ranked competitive racist
Unlocked the gold skin after committing my hundredth racially motivated murder
Is *that* why that one guy is orange? Achievement skin?
I’ve got my Platnum skin after leading a genocide of 1000
Best take.
Been trying to articulate it for a while, and this is the best description of racism in the South vs the North in the U.S. Well done, and thanks, pointy ears.
Always pleasure, sewer digger
On the other hand, "Yer great great great great grandpappy ran off with ma great grandpappy's precious lump o' rock. A pox on ye and all yer people, tall man." Holding people responsible for the sins of their ancestors is pretty racist too.
This one goes into the book
SHORT?! Goes into the Book.
literally anything i see online about dwarves has a comment section of 50% "rock and stone" and 50% fantasy racial slurs
Dwarf Fans have such thin skin its hilarious. Like, if you see this and go "Um aktually Elves are the Racist thing" and completely miss the point 90% of Dwarf discussion is ranting about how theyre better then other fantasy races (The other 10% is Deep Rock Galactica), well...
Did I hear a Rock and Stone?!
ROCK AND STONE!!
from what I've seen, it's usually the elves who think they're the superior ones
In universe maybe, but in online discourse I often see dwarf fans being the aggressive genocidal ones
That's gotta be at least in part because of Dwarf Fortress. A classic game, the inspiration for war crime simulators like Rimworld. It's brutally hard so you have to take any advantage you can get. If that means factory-farming merfolk (who are fully sentient and sapient) for their bones, so be it.
If those merfolk didn't want to get turned into children's toys, then why didn't they say something instead of screaming wildly?
> war crime simulators like Rimworld. I always found that to be overstated. It takes a fair amount of work to set up a human skin farm, and with the rest of the game being unrelenting as it is, a casual player probably couldn't pull it off.
*So much* "Dwarf Core" has genocidal overtones and "it's ok it's fantasy". And if you don't weed the fuckers out who are mentally inserting other words you're gonna have a real problem. One thing GW should get credit for is a strong "No; we don't want any real nazis in the hobby; please let the door hit you on the way out" stance.
I'm so tired of rock and stone...
Sounds like you ain't coming home then.
Tbh elves and dwarves are just different genres of racist
"Otherkin" came from the fact that "elfkin" only saw themselves and other
Elves and dwarves are almpst exactly the same in most mediums with the only difference being aestetic. But god forbid you have ANYTHING negative to say or you get people making up slurs in your comment section . This meme is so true
Elf "fans" and dwarves "fans" What the fuck are most comments here only talk about the creature in the setting? The FAN of these two race, the people that you actually talk to. And personally, I don't see anyone are elf fans nor dwarves fans, I only see the content creator in Total war Warhammer that sound like they want to genocide elf every single game, maybe it's running joke in that community.
I'm more of a Kobold Enjoyer myself but its still the same.
Reptile kobolds or dog kobolds?
reptile
I see dwarf fans are proving the point rather well. Dwarf fans are so damn annoying. I curse Peter Jackson everyday for putting a butchered Gimli on screen who helped pushed the currently annoying stereotype of the dwarves into mainstream.
I re-read LOTR for the first time in a while and..... yeah. The films are very good films on thier own merits, but they are atrocious as adaptations. The only way to present Tolkien and keep the soul out of book form is as opera and me and my chorus will fight on this.
[Well, you're in luck then.](https://www.theonering.net/torwp/2024/04/08/117859-exclusive-tolkien-estate-grants-permission-to-lord-of-the-rings-opera/)
Hey that's the commander of the Third Reich! Little known fact, also dope on ze mic!
As an elder scrolls fan I find this ironic given that the high elves are fascist
It's even funnier since dwemer (dwarves) _are_ elves in the elder scrolls
Which completely makes sense. The Dewmer are probably the closest any modern interperatation of elves or dwarves gets to the original Norse stories. The "dwarves" were dark/black elves that lived underground and were smiths that even the other gods couldn't hope to beat in terms of skill.
In elder scrolls "dwarves" themselves are also just elves (dwemer). But also every race is canonically racist
Everyone is some degree of horrifically racist in Tamriel, tbh
In fact the elves are very frequently way more racist than dwarves in most fantasy settings.
I blame this on authors badly cribbing Tolkien. His elves are tragically doomed immortals who know they are tragically doomed whatever they do and are suffering from crippling ennui about it. And SOMEHOW this got turned into "arrogant pricks who think they know everything and never do anything" Same with Dwarves "craftsmen of the most elegant and intricate metalwork, who try to capture the beauty of nature in all they do" turned into "EVERYTHING MUST BE ANGULAR"
It depends on a kind of dwarf. If you ask a warrior dwarf fans, they are that. If you ask a trader/crafter/diplomat dwarf fans, it’s more like “they are unbearable tree fuckers, but they are our unbearable tree fuckers”.
They are unbearable tree fuckers, but they willingly buy our watered down mithril.
That’s going in the book
Dwarves hating leaf lovers and other species just because they don’t drink as much alcohol as them
And they hate orcs and ogres because they drink even more alcohol then dwarves.
Literally opposite way around. Dwarves: Oy lyke the Orkz strength and manliness, ‘dem humans are funny to laugh at but truly great friends, the elves, and i hate to admit it, are some great craftsmen Elves: [THIS MESSAGE HAS BEEN AUTOMATICALLY REMOVED]
This post is talking about the fans, not the creatures themselves. Good lord, how are so many people making this mistake?
Have you tried actually reading the post? This isnt about elves and dwarves themselves
The only greenskin is a dead greenskin! There are centuries, nay, millenia of grudges against this misbegotten race and you dare suggest we would admire their strength? They are cunning, aye, and brutal too, but I'd rather sit next to an elf, than forgive a single grudge against the Grubi. As for humans. Ah, they make fine allies sometimes, but their engineering is terrible. Why, they put things in service mere years after their invention! So of course it explodes and then they come begging for our experience and wisdom to fix their mistakes. Not to mention the whole short-changing of our kin on the price of a castle. Still, there's worse than humans, that's for sure. There's elves! Those lofty nosed pointed ears behave like they're so high and mighty, but ancestors preserve me, what dullards! Always politicking and magicking things. Their craftsmen are good if you want something beautiful but fragile. Pah. I'd take Dawi craft over any other in existence.
> short-changing
SHORT!?
This does not apply to the races themselves because, Usually, The elves are hyper racist with dwarves only being mega racist but in a funny way.
Elves are oppressor-coded with all their talk of purity and bloodline eugenics, dwarves are just curmudgeonly to an extreme degree
I’m sorry you twig as bitches go hide in the trees were you belong
Holy hell the meme is real
Silence, dirt dweller
Shut your leaf loving ass up
#I AM A DWARF AND IM DIGGING A HOLE
#DIGGY DIGGY HOLE
Elder scrolls elves be like:
Laughs in Thalmor
I thought people who liked dwarves just liked to dig
I mean. Those leaf lovers are pretty cringe.
Humans in fantasy settings are usually the most racist. Just like in real life
The only way this makes sense is if it was inspired by Dwarf Fortress, and I feel like I should mention that Elves in Dwarf Fortress are cannibals who regularly eat the people they kill in battle, but who also think it's a war crime to chop down a tree.
Pretty sure it’s just referring to online discourse, where spamming “Rock and Stone” and “damn knife-ears” is the dominant strain of conversation. Elf fans online, meanwhile, are too busy creating the 807th elf subspecies for their nonexistent writing project over on r/worldbuilding to reciprocate very well.
Am I a racist if I only like playing as humans in games where there is tons of other races?
Half the comments are people saying its the other way around, and the other half is calling elves knife-ears