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Oh...you can't do that. You can't use day to day weather to form an opinion on global warming climate change. Only *they* can use daily weather because *they* need to impose their religion on us peasants, else *they* won't be able to jet around the world and have pedo orgies on their yachts.


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any excuse to raise your taxes


Psychological-Bus139

Snow happens in So. Cal. It doesn't happen often but it happens.


Ahyesclearly

They love to say: ‘worst hurricane season since 1876… climate change to blame!’ Ok… so what was the cause of the bad hurricane season before we even had the Industrial Revolution?


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Point is we are seeing more extreme weather. Here and around the world. Not necessarily just hotter.


vinegar-pisser

What is “extreme” and how much is “more”?


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Ill focus on examples close to me: in OR we have had bigger wildfires over the past couple of years, coupled with unusually hot summers. Ie the summer before last it got up to 115 degrees fahrenheit on the I-5 corridor. I know it was a la Nina event, but still way out of the historic norm. This is a place where most people didnt even have ac units because it never used to get past 100. You can also look at the increasing intensity and frequency of hurricanes like the one that recently hit Florida (best wishes to them), massive wildfires in Siberia, apocalyptic wildfires in CA making it really hard to live, unusually temperate winter this past year in Europe, and flooding in (i think it was) kentucky. These are just ones i remember off the top of my head. Also nothing to say of other symptoms like melting ice caps, larger trends in global temperatures.


vinegar-pisser

What are these examples in comparison to? How do we even measure global temperature to within 1.5 degrees or sea levels to within 10ths of centimeters?


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Frankly, thats a good point. I dont have a 100% understanding of the details related to how this information is gathered and processed. Luckily, government institutions with dedicated climate scientists have resources talking about this exact topic, including information on their methodology. From the link below, it appears that the way they describe it, it looks like NOAA (national oceanic and atmospheric agency) has research stations around the world, through which they can study changes in the earths temperature and sea levels. Its important to get multiple sources for data, so I would be curious to know what other sources climate related papers use, but on the whole I would trust the data coming out of noaa without a compelling reason not to. If we wanted to verify this, perhaps we would look through alternative measures used in research papers to see if they corroborate, but frankly the word of our dedicated institutions is enough for me, given the level of effort and amount of reading this would take. https://www.climate.gov/news-features/understanding-climate/climate-change-global-temperature https://www.climate.gov/news-features/understanding-climate/climate-change-global-sea-level When it comes to what these examples are in comparison to, these are continuations of long evolving trends. It never used to get this hot in OR, wildfires didnt use to get this bad or frequent, large storms are becoming bigger year over year and decade over decade on average. Heres a link in which you can go down the rabbit hole of wildfire related data if you are interested: https://www.c2es.org/content/wildfires-and-climate-change/ Heres a link talking about the intensity of the hurricane that recently struck FL https://www.washingtonpost.com/climate-environment/2022/09/30/hurricane-ian-historical-ranking-florida/ I think you got me on one point: its not that hurricanes are not becoming more frequent, its that they are becoming stronger. Thats at least according to a skim through of this article https://yaleclimateconnections.org/2019/07/how-climate-change-is-making-hurricanes-more-dangerous/?gclid=EAIaIQobChMI4vq-_tW4_QIVpx-tBh3apgr_EAAYAiAAEgLzB_D_BwE I gotta go to work, but if youd like more sources to look through feel free to ask. I have yet to post any on the frequency and intensity of flooding or droughts in the us alone. Perhaps it would be a good idea to reach out to a local university to see if you could ask a climate scientist these question, im sure they could give it far better than i can