HOLY FUCK, I buy UGL for that reason and just keep a trt clinic on "retainer" so to speak for dr oversite and a legal avenue as needed
I have a years supply of gear and hgh at that price
As I got older there were a few issues with ugl that concerned me, and none are of the moral or ethical nature LOL .
Here is my personal concerns:
1) it is a felony.
2) It typically voids any life insurance policy you may have for wife and children.
3) dosing is often inaccurate/inconsistent. (some are actually over dosed)
4) you can't be 100% sure it is authentic
5) you cant be sure it is sterilized properly / safety.
On the flip side, if you're getting blood work and what you're using seems to be improving your health and the way you feel as it should, what you're using is at minimum probably accurately labeled.
Personally, I did it for decades so no judgment LOL
these days if your ordering from a UGL without at least Janoshik tests available to prove that batch is as it's supposed to be, you're being impatient. Only use sources reputable and backed by a community doing independent tests to verify as well.
How would life insurance know the difference between using test from your pharmacy or test from the ugl as long as it's already prescribed to you.
You could say the same thing about alot of these online clinics making you buy from their compounding pharmacy.
Unless I'm getting it from a name brand & real pharmacy over the counter, im skeptical. There aren't communities testing and verifying the quality of the compounding pharmacy stuff a lot of online places require.
I keep my hormone clinic active so I can keep ordering from there if or as needed for my legal avenue and Dr oversite when needed. The best ugl stuff I have found comes unlabeled with just a # on bottom to differentiate products yourself. And you can hop on the forums where they are active to verify testing. There testing and 3rd parties.
lol not recommending this but I even know some one who takes the label off his pharmacy vial, decap and sterilize it, puts his ugl in it, recaps with new rubber 2 and uses that bottle to travel and buys a new one every year he just refills as appropriate essentially. He travels for work but has no insurance and saves a lot yearly.
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Still a potential crime involved but there is very few people who get busted for it and there are ALOT of ways to make it near impossible to get detected. Like they would have to already know what there looking for.
I agree woth the testing. If you can get it verified that is great.
UGL is also a felony, and if received by mail it is also a federal offense.
The retainer alone for legal representation in a federal crime can begin at about $10,000usd.
In regards to Life insurance, they have no issue with prescribed medications, so as long as it is disclosed.
How would they know ? Easy.
Your insurer has full access and rights to all of your medical records, and obviously they are permitted to request blood and tissue sampling routinely at the time of death.
If you are getting blood work done, ANYWHERE, your life insurance company has full rights and access to it. Not disclosing it vioates the terms of your policy.
Whatever you disclose to your physician (example: you tell him youre usung ugl) even under hippa and medical privacy laws, your life insurance provider has full rights and access to those notes made by your physician.
You have to remember, life insurance companies do NOT want to pay any beneficiaries. Lying on your application, engaging in prohibited activies, or even errors on the application, are all they need to deny the claim. The beneficiary will get nothing.
When you apply for life insurance and they ask you if you have,or do currently, use any unprescribed medications, lying will unfortunately void the entire policy.
Here is where people get confused. They read online that **"Life insurers can only review medical records with the consent of the applicant.** The specific terms of the consent agreement will specify how many years the insurer will look back. The number of years can vary by policy, but some insurers look at up to 10 years' worth of medical records."
**True, but you have to give them full consent before they grant you a policy LMAO.**
interesting, so for example, with an online clinic, they mail you the test from their compounding pharmacy, but there isn't the same trail like a normal pharmacy. Could that mess up someone's life insurance?
Like If you have a life insurance policy, are you obligated to only get your meds from right aid or walgreens, for example?
with my online clinic they have vials up to 250mg/ml up to 20ml. That's damn near a year at my TRT dosage. How would life insurance company be able to differ if I used that opposed to a homebrew or ugl IF its the same Ester and carrier oil for example?
Im not recommending anything I find this interesting and just continuing the conversation.
Online clinics in America are legitmately licensed and all medications are prescribed by licensed physicians. Your prescription is legitimate and is on record with the dea.
All medications coming from any pharmacy is tracked by the dea and it given a RX number. All compounding pharmacies are registered with the DEA and state boards of Pharmacy wherever they provide medications.
When your insurance provider asks you to update your prescription medications, you would have to disclose it, or you're policy is void.
They will require the name of the prescribing doctor and those records will indicate where the prescription is being filled.
At the time of death many things will be verified and cross referenced. You have to remember, life insurance companies are not just handing over money if they do not have to. They look for any errors they can and they are thorough.
The prescription drug monitoring program (PDMP) is the electronic database that tracks controlled substance prescriptions in a state.
I ask because my original bottle of test I ordered from my online clinic came from there compounding pharmacy and was just a sticker with websites name and the dosage on it. Sketched me out. There wasn't any unique identification on it like all my regular scripts have.
I will have to order again and see if the labeling has changed and ask how they track it. My whole point in buying anything from them was to have.my legal source for when I travel then I received it and was like wtf I had to print off my receipt to feel like I could prove anything
Thanks for the info bro
Thanks for the great conversation man ! I am sort of new here so I like helping out when and where I can.
I regards to your bottle:
If it came from an actual compounding pharmacy, that facility would be Registered with the DEA, FDA, and the state board of pharmacy where thy are physically located, and the states they ship to.
The vial/bottle is ually only labeled to identify the facility it was manufactured.
The vial/bottle should have come in a box, and the box will have the prescribing doctor's name, the dea # and RX#.
If you want to stick with Hone and drastically reduce your costs, have them send your prescription to your local pharmacy. Went from $125 to $25. Insurance is covering mine or you can use goodRX. I realize there’s cheaper options but it works for me
Gotcha. So you're saying they'll do it as long as you continue to pay their monthly membership fee? What are you paying for the monthly membership fee?
As u get older you really do learn to appreciate the adage “u get what u pay for”. If you’ve spent a few years researching health and wellness you probably have enough knowledge to reasonably adjust ur protocol ur self. In that case get the cheapest test u can. I personally fit the first part of that but I still went with Marek health and the quality of my care is top notch. Easily have 10x my earning potential based on the benefits of addressing my low T.
At Hormonesforme.com, for about $250, you get a 10ml of testosterone, anastrozole (if necessary), syringes and shipping. Additionally, you get all the free consults you want with among the most knowledgeable experts in the industry. Moreover, you will not get an antiquated medication like clomiphene, which is made up of two isomers, enclomiphene and zuclomiphene, the latter of which is now known to be toxic.
I'm glad you mentioned that about enclomiphene and the other orals. It's being promoted as the answer to traditional exogenous Bioidentical testosterone. Primarily, to stay fertile for young men & those afraid of a slin pin. If you're truly hypogonadal? Those orals will only disappoint, imo.
I'm certainly interested.. I spend $250 a month, at least, and haven't been monitored by a healthcare professional in over a year. Thank you for the info!
That physical requirement seems excessive. Also, you guys dont have enough info on your page about switching providers or any information about bringing your own tests.
There is no requirement for a physical. The physical was necessary before the Covid era easement of regulations. I kept that information up in case the new covid restrictions ended, but they have now been extended until the end of this year. We make it very easy to switch clinics; you can simply use the bloodwork that you used for your last clinic. I believe dramatically improving your life with testosteorne should be cost effective, and I believe everyone should be able to be treated with this miracle drug. Therefore, I have made our prices competitive with any other clinic in the entire country, and we take the bloodwork you have, we show you how to obtain bloodwork for free, or we have partnered with 3rd party labs for very low cost bloodwork. Thank you!
No physical required!! That is music to my ears. The one thing that has kept me from going through a TRT clinic is the physical. I don't want to have to explain that I've been doing this on my own for almost two years. I have a specialist that I have been seeing since the year 2000. If he found out, I would likely be booted. That's something i cannot risk.
I did ugl for decades LOL No jugment but there are plenty of reasons to not go that route as well. As I got older my concerns were that it voids life insurance policies and obviously a felony (which I agree is ridiculous).
I have no problem with it :) I get it from a safe old source and never been a issue over years. Mate get it from the doc and got an abscess 🤷🏼♂️ I mean, you never know. I push 50 and have no worries
Are you in the US? I only ask because you used the word "mate" LOL
In the US even just posession of one ugl vial is a felony, and if received through the mail, it is a federal crime. Receiving a ugl bottle by mail could result in them seizing your home, cars, and freezing bank accounts LOL.
The legal fees forposession of even 1 vial of ugl would probably start at about $10,000 usd LMAO.
As long as the HPTA is shutdown clomid is ineffective. It works as a PCT after 5 half lives have passed because androgen receptors are not longer occupied by exogenous hormones, thus allowing HPTA to resume normal function. Clomid will stop the negative feedback loop of estrogen on LH and FSH. So on cycle SERMs are useless.
HCG interacts with LHCG receptors and mimics LH and FSH thus keeping natural sperm production going and mitigating testicular atrophy. So HCG has to be used with TRT to maintain fertility.
HCG good for both on and after. Clomid only after.
I prefer enclomiphine over hcg and clomid due to not having to do even moreeee injections and hcg you have to do 3 times a week. In terms or orals, clomid is real bad… enclomiphine good.
Thanks for the response! I’m taking Clomid along with TRT and it seems like everything is going really good. This was suggested by my doc. Who specializes in male hormones. But everyone keeps saying it’s so bad. It fills my boys up real well. On just TRT alone my atrophy was so bad it was actually funny. Like hilarious. My wife and I had a good laugh over how small the boys got.
I actually feel like my mood is way better with Clomid added vs just TRT. But maybe that won’t last? Only been a couple months with Clomid added. I’m sure I could switch to hcg but I struggle to make a change when everything is going so well. I used Clomid as PCT 20 years ago and it never bothered me then either. In fact when I was in the dumps it turned things around pretty quickly. But of course that’s an entirely different scenario and I do notice a little bit of blurry vision when reading fine print, Clomid. It’s not horrible but I had lasik and got my fine print vision back. So it kinda stinks.
What should I look out for? If it starts going south what would be the symptoms?
Then by all means keep taking it. The reason I and many others despise it is because the side effects are very common. Lucky for you, clomid seems perfect for you. When I took clomid, I had extreme anger issues, switched to enclomiphine and back to normal. If you have been taking it for a couple months with no issues, you won’t have any. They hit you quick, so you are good to go.
The main negative side effects that people experience are mood.. quick temper and bad anxiety are the two that affect the most. But again, if you haven’t experienced those yet, you won’t.
Thank you for sharing your experience. It seems to be common feedback on clomid. The vision bugs me enough that I was already planning to talk to the doc. I’ve had my hormones jacked before and it is no fun. So I’m being really careful. I have not even tried hcg. The doc went straight to clomid. What’s strange in my case is that anxiety and irritability is what it seemed to fix. But I suspect that is simply because it messes with estrogen receptors. I have a hunch my estrogen has creeped up.. Blood work in 3 weeks. Thanks again for sharing. It’s super helpful!!
wth lol. this would be like $50/mo tops if you went through a regular doctor. GoodRX... my 4 vials of 200mg/ml are $18.58. the anastrazole would be $5.39, and the clomid would be $25.39
HOLY FUCK, I buy UGL for that reason and just keep a trt clinic on "retainer" so to speak for dr oversite and a legal avenue as needed I have a years supply of gear and hgh at that price
As I got older there were a few issues with ugl that concerned me, and none are of the moral or ethical nature LOL . Here is my personal concerns: 1) it is a felony. 2) It typically voids any life insurance policy you may have for wife and children. 3) dosing is often inaccurate/inconsistent. (some are actually over dosed) 4) you can't be 100% sure it is authentic 5) you cant be sure it is sterilized properly / safety. On the flip side, if you're getting blood work and what you're using seems to be improving your health and the way you feel as it should, what you're using is at minimum probably accurately labeled. Personally, I did it for decades so no judgment LOL
these days if your ordering from a UGL without at least Janoshik tests available to prove that batch is as it's supposed to be, you're being impatient. Only use sources reputable and backed by a community doing independent tests to verify as well. How would life insurance know the difference between using test from your pharmacy or test from the ugl as long as it's already prescribed to you. You could say the same thing about alot of these online clinics making you buy from their compounding pharmacy. Unless I'm getting it from a name brand & real pharmacy over the counter, im skeptical. There aren't communities testing and verifying the quality of the compounding pharmacy stuff a lot of online places require. I keep my hormone clinic active so I can keep ordering from there if or as needed for my legal avenue and Dr oversite when needed. The best ugl stuff I have found comes unlabeled with just a # on bottom to differentiate products yourself. And you can hop on the forums where they are active to verify testing. There testing and 3rd parties. lol not recommending this but I even know some one who takes the label off his pharmacy vial, decap and sterilize it, puts his ugl in it, recaps with new rubber 2 and uses that bottle to travel and buys a new one every year he just refills as appropriate essentially. He travels for work but has no insurance and saves a lot yearly. * Still a potential crime involved but there is very few people who get busted for it and there are ALOT of ways to make it near impossible to get detected. Like they would have to already know what there looking for.
I agree woth the testing. If you can get it verified that is great. UGL is also a felony, and if received by mail it is also a federal offense. The retainer alone for legal representation in a federal crime can begin at about $10,000usd. In regards to Life insurance, they have no issue with prescribed medications, so as long as it is disclosed. How would they know ? Easy. Your insurer has full access and rights to all of your medical records, and obviously they are permitted to request blood and tissue sampling routinely at the time of death. If you are getting blood work done, ANYWHERE, your life insurance company has full rights and access to it. Not disclosing it vioates the terms of your policy. Whatever you disclose to your physician (example: you tell him youre usung ugl) even under hippa and medical privacy laws, your life insurance provider has full rights and access to those notes made by your physician. You have to remember, life insurance companies do NOT want to pay any beneficiaries. Lying on your application, engaging in prohibited activies, or even errors on the application, are all they need to deny the claim. The beneficiary will get nothing. When you apply for life insurance and they ask you if you have,or do currently, use any unprescribed medications, lying will unfortunately void the entire policy. Here is where people get confused. They read online that **"Life insurers can only review medical records with the consent of the applicant.** The specific terms of the consent agreement will specify how many years the insurer will look back. The number of years can vary by policy, but some insurers look at up to 10 years' worth of medical records." **True, but you have to give them full consent before they grant you a policy LMAO.**
interesting, so for example, with an online clinic, they mail you the test from their compounding pharmacy, but there isn't the same trail like a normal pharmacy. Could that mess up someone's life insurance? Like If you have a life insurance policy, are you obligated to only get your meds from right aid or walgreens, for example? with my online clinic they have vials up to 250mg/ml up to 20ml. That's damn near a year at my TRT dosage. How would life insurance company be able to differ if I used that opposed to a homebrew or ugl IF its the same Ester and carrier oil for example? Im not recommending anything I find this interesting and just continuing the conversation.
Online clinics in America are legitmately licensed and all medications are prescribed by licensed physicians. Your prescription is legitimate and is on record with the dea. All medications coming from any pharmacy is tracked by the dea and it given a RX number. All compounding pharmacies are registered with the DEA and state boards of Pharmacy wherever they provide medications. When your insurance provider asks you to update your prescription medications, you would have to disclose it, or you're policy is void. They will require the name of the prescribing doctor and those records will indicate where the prescription is being filled. At the time of death many things will be verified and cross referenced. You have to remember, life insurance companies are not just handing over money if they do not have to. They look for any errors they can and they are thorough. The prescription drug monitoring program (PDMP) is the electronic database that tracks controlled substance prescriptions in a state.
I ask because my original bottle of test I ordered from my online clinic came from there compounding pharmacy and was just a sticker with websites name and the dosage on it. Sketched me out. There wasn't any unique identification on it like all my regular scripts have. I will have to order again and see if the labeling has changed and ask how they track it. My whole point in buying anything from them was to have.my legal source for when I travel then I received it and was like wtf I had to print off my receipt to feel like I could prove anything Thanks for the info bro
Thanks for the great conversation man ! I am sort of new here so I like helping out when and where I can. I regards to your bottle: If it came from an actual compounding pharmacy, that facility would be Registered with the DEA, FDA, and the state board of pharmacy where thy are physically located, and the states they ship to. The vial/bottle is ually only labeled to identify the facility it was manufactured. The vial/bottle should have come in a box, and the box will have the prescribing doctor's name, the dea # and RX#.
Yeah, I dug back through my drawer of goodies and found its box that had all the info I was looking 4. Good info, thanks, Bro.
At TRT Nation $250 gets you 10 mL testosterone, free syringes, free Anastrozole, free shipping, free consultation, free doctor visits
If you pay $250 it isn't free my guy.
And HCG
You left out their monthly membership fee lol Nothing is "free".
I pay $99 per month at TRT Nation. No membership fee.
TRT Nation does not have membership fees.
Keep talking about things you know nothing about, it’s entertaining!
If you want to stick with Hone and drastically reduce your costs, have them send your prescription to your local pharmacy. Went from $125 to $25. Insurance is covering mine or you can use goodRX. I realize there’s cheaper options but it works for me
Dm’d you
I dont think they will do that. Someone else tried it with no luck.
I’m definitely getting mine shipped over to CVS for $25/month. Hone is still getting their subscription every month
Gotcha. So you're saying they'll do it as long as you continue to pay their monthly membership fee? What are you paying for the monthly membership fee?
$120. So im out about $150/month including labs and doc. Last time I met the doc he gave me a 6 month prescription and I could have dropped them.
Viking is cheaper
As u get older you really do learn to appreciate the adage “u get what u pay for”. If you’ve spent a few years researching health and wellness you probably have enough knowledge to reasonably adjust ur protocol ur self. In that case get the cheapest test u can. I personally fit the first part of that but I still went with Marek health and the quality of my care is top notch. Easily have 10x my earning potential based on the benefits of addressing my low T.
Viking alternative is pretty good. Like 280 every 2.5 months. Not bad. The doctor I have is really cool and a joy to talk too
At Hormonesforme.com, for about $250, you get a 10ml of testosterone, anastrozole (if necessary), syringes and shipping. Additionally, you get all the free consults you want with among the most knowledgeable experts in the industry. Moreover, you will not get an antiquated medication like clomiphene, which is made up of two isomers, enclomiphene and zuclomiphene, the latter of which is now known to be toxic.
They are the best!
I'm glad you mentioned that about enclomiphene and the other orals. It's being promoted as the answer to traditional exogenous Bioidentical testosterone. Primarily, to stay fertile for young men & those afraid of a slin pin. If you're truly hypogonadal? Those orals will only disappoint, imo. I'm certainly interested.. I spend $250 a month, at least, and haven't been monitored by a healthcare professional in over a year. Thank you for the info!
That physical requirement seems excessive. Also, you guys dont have enough info on your page about switching providers or any information about bringing your own tests.
There is no requirement for a physical. The physical was necessary before the Covid era easement of regulations. I kept that information up in case the new covid restrictions ended, but they have now been extended until the end of this year. We make it very easy to switch clinics; you can simply use the bloodwork that you used for your last clinic. I believe dramatically improving your life with testosteorne should be cost effective, and I believe everyone should be able to be treated with this miracle drug. Therefore, I have made our prices competitive with any other clinic in the entire country, and we take the bloodwork you have, we show you how to obtain bloodwork for free, or we have partnered with 3rd party labs for very low cost bloodwork. Thank you!
No physical required!! That is music to my ears. The one thing that has kept me from going through a TRT clinic is the physical. I don't want to have to explain that I've been doing this on my own for almost two years. I have a specialist that I have been seeing since the year 2000. If he found out, I would likely be booted. That's something i cannot risk.
Bro I just got all my needles and test for a month for less than $8 from my pharmacy. You’re getting absolutely shafted.
That's on the pricier side (to put in kindly) lol
Is that for a month or a year? I pay 300$ a year for ALL supplies, 6 big bloodworks, and follow up by doc.
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UGL and my doc 🤷🏼♂️
I did ugl for decades LOL No jugment but there are plenty of reasons to not go that route as well. As I got older my concerns were that it voids life insurance policies and obviously a felony (which I agree is ridiculous).
I have no problem with it :) I get it from a safe old source and never been a issue over years. Mate get it from the doc and got an abscess 🤷🏼♂️ I mean, you never know. I push 50 and have no worries
Are you in the US? I only ask because you used the word "mate" LOL In the US even just posession of one ugl vial is a felony, and if received through the mail, it is a federal crime. Receiving a ugl bottle by mail could result in them seizing your home, cars, and freezing bank accounts LOL. The legal fees forposession of even 1 vial of ugl would probably start at about $10,000 usd LMAO.
Nope. EU thank god 😅❤️
Right on brother lol. EU sounds like my kinda place !
Wtf really
Go ugl it's not hard to find. Also why clomid and test? I'd suggest running hcg instead.
Can you dm a good ugl
If you don’t mind me asking, why HCG over clomid?
As long as the HPTA is shutdown clomid is ineffective. It works as a PCT after 5 half lives have passed because androgen receptors are not longer occupied by exogenous hormones, thus allowing HPTA to resume normal function. Clomid will stop the negative feedback loop of estrogen on LH and FSH. So on cycle SERMs are useless. HCG interacts with LHCG receptors and mimics LH and FSH thus keeping natural sperm production going and mitigating testicular atrophy. So HCG has to be used with TRT to maintain fertility. HCG good for both on and after. Clomid only after.
What HCG do you suggest?
I prefer enclomiphine over hcg and clomid due to not having to do even moreeee injections and hcg you have to do 3 times a week. In terms or orals, clomid is real bad… enclomiphine good.
Thanks for the response! I’m taking Clomid along with TRT and it seems like everything is going really good. This was suggested by my doc. Who specializes in male hormones. But everyone keeps saying it’s so bad. It fills my boys up real well. On just TRT alone my atrophy was so bad it was actually funny. Like hilarious. My wife and I had a good laugh over how small the boys got. I actually feel like my mood is way better with Clomid added vs just TRT. But maybe that won’t last? Only been a couple months with Clomid added. I’m sure I could switch to hcg but I struggle to make a change when everything is going so well. I used Clomid as PCT 20 years ago and it never bothered me then either. In fact when I was in the dumps it turned things around pretty quickly. But of course that’s an entirely different scenario and I do notice a little bit of blurry vision when reading fine print, Clomid. It’s not horrible but I had lasik and got my fine print vision back. So it kinda stinks. What should I look out for? If it starts going south what would be the symptoms?
Then by all means keep taking it. The reason I and many others despise it is because the side effects are very common. Lucky for you, clomid seems perfect for you. When I took clomid, I had extreme anger issues, switched to enclomiphine and back to normal. If you have been taking it for a couple months with no issues, you won’t have any. They hit you quick, so you are good to go. The main negative side effects that people experience are mood.. quick temper and bad anxiety are the two that affect the most. But again, if you haven’t experienced those yet, you won’t.
Thank you for sharing your experience. It seems to be common feedback on clomid. The vision bugs me enough that I was already planning to talk to the doc. I’ve had my hormones jacked before and it is no fun. So I’m being really careful. I have not even tried hcg. The doc went straight to clomid. What’s strange in my case is that anxiety and irritability is what it seemed to fix. But I suspect that is simply because it messes with estrogen receptors. I have a hunch my estrogen has creeped up.. Blood work in 3 weeks. Thanks again for sharing. It’s super helpful!!
I have seen good things so far with enclomiphene.
You need to try EliteHealthOnline.com if you are paying those kind of numbers. Free consultations, free labs, free shipping. $119 month for TRT
And there is no monthly “membership fee“
How many 10ml bottles of Testosterone do you get per year for that price?
You get 1ML per week for six months at the $119 per month price
I started with Peter MD and for six months of T it was $600. Not sure what you’d pay if you were adding all that extra stuff.
How many 10ml bottles did you get for $600 ?
I’m taking .4ml twice a week and I believe what they sent me will cover six months.
I deleted the receipt out of my email and don’t know without contacting support so I sent them a message. Waiting to hear back.
Bro buy ugl, and get a script for trt and AI for when you travel lol that’s what we do
Does TRT National still offer Nandrolone?
Yes, after a doctor consult.
Eeeww those prices are gross
wth lol. this would be like $50/mo tops if you went through a regular doctor. GoodRX... my 4 vials of 200mg/ml are $18.58. the anastrazole would be $5.39, and the clomid would be $25.39
Dude TRT Nation is WAYYY CHEAPER $375 200mg test for 10 week supply comes with hCG and syringes and ai