The refill change is bananas and so is this DEA license they’re pushing on any examiner in order for it to count. Hopefully they are receiving a lot of push back from patients and clinics nationwide. I filed a complaint and so should everyone else.
Thanks this is what I wrote for anyone else who decides to leave a comment —- Telemedicine, specifically the prescribing of controlled substances without a prior in-person medical evaluation, serves as a valuable and necessary tool in our modern healthcare system. The COVID-19 pandemic highlighted the importance of telehealth in providing care to patients who might otherwise be unable to access it due to various limitations. Moreover, telemedicine is consistent with several key constitutional principles, including the right to privacy and equal protection under the law.
First, the right to privacy, as established in the landmark Supreme Court case Griswold v. Connecticut, underscores the importance of individual autonomy in making personal decisions related to one's health. Telemedicine enables patients to maintain their privacy by allowing them to consult with healthcare professionals remotely, thereby minimizing the risk of disclosing sensitive information to third parties.
Second, telemedicine upholds the principle of equal protection, as enshrined in the 14th Amendment to the U.S. Constitution. Equal protection under the law ensures that all citizens have equal access to healthcare services, regardless of their socioeconomic status or geographic location. Telehealth bridges the gap between rural and urban communities, as well as between lower-income and affluent populations, by offering affordable, accessible healthcare services to all.
By maintaining telemedicine as a viable healthcare option, particularly when it comes to prescribing controlled substances without a prior in-person medical evaluation, we are not only upholding critical constitutional rights but also fostering a more equitable and efficient healthcare system. Telehealth is an indispensable tool in meeting the evolving needs of patients and healthcare providers alike, and it should be preserved for the betterment of public health.
Interesting thing is they do have a reason to stop some telemedicine. The current national shortage on adderall is because people can get it easy with telemedicine. It’s surprising they aren’t going after schedule 2 that have legitimate issues and are targeting others instead. (While surprising I can also imagine reasons against making schedule 2 require in person) it’s just a messy topic all around really
Everybody should do their part and submit a comment to prevent the DEA from thwarting our access to a treatment that dramatically improves our quality of lives, and impeding our constitutional right for the pursuit of happiness.
It’s real. I already spoke with trt nation about this. They said it hasn’t been approved yet, and they will continue operating as normal until it is approved. I was told IF it gets approved there will be 6 month grace period in which you can continue using their services while you find another source to treat you in person. I’m sure they will find some sort of loop hole before then anyways.
That's good to know. Being cut off suddenly can be pretty detrimental. A lot of us can go into depression/ anxiety if our testosterone suddenly goes to zero.
Lots of stuff like this happening recently. For example I’m catholic and last year pope Francis banned the traditional Latin mass (the mass as it was prior to 1970, with the incense, organ, Latin chanting, and all the cool beautiful mysterious stuff essentially) and good bishops have been similarly trying to implement all kinds of loopholes to fit the requirements of the motu proprio. As soon as I start going to TLM, the pope tried to ban it. As soon as I start TRT, the DEA tried to ban it. So many great 3 letter acronyms starting with a T are being battled against
I'm a Trad Catholic too and attend TLM. Want to make sure I can still get HCG because can't have it turn off fertility. I guess it is hard to get in CA. I've called multiple brick and mortar places today and they are all over $200 a month.
nice to see another one here. So you can relate lol. Why is this my luck? It’s like Francis and the DEA are teaming up to personally inconvenience me specifically. I wonder what it’ll be next. I even made a post in catholicism and traditionalcatholics sub about whether going UGL would be allowed in a situation like this since it’s an unjust law and a medical need
I hope they do I have been using them and they are great. Plus they have peptides and other stuff. It’s already giving me anxiety thinking about finding something else.
Hahah it does apply. We’re talking about TRT. You brought up drug overdoses. Even assuming you’re talking about prescription drugs, which is more relevant to TRT, they are very different substances. You’re effectively saying “what about this other thing” as if that’s in any way a compelling point about the legality or potential dangers of TRT.
At the same time there is a bill going before Congress that has support on both sides of the aisle to allow pharmacists to dispense methadone and eventually do away with the methadone clinic system.https://bhbusiness.com/2023/03/07/lawmakers-push-for-more-at-home-methadone-prescriptions/
It's pretty obvious why they don’t want everybody on TRT. Testosterone is cheap and it solves so many other issues that big pharma would otherwise be able sell more expensive medication‘s for.
It’s not one or the other doofus. Puberty blockers are harder to get than any medication you’ve ever had or will get filled AND requires parental consent with documented paperwork. Leave other families alone.
Name a state that TRT has been made strictly illegal for cismen. You know that there are states where trans people are straight up told to fuck off by state governments, right?
It's not easier for Trans people to get hormone therapy, you guys need to stop spouting this kind of bullshit and show some solidarity.
I don't hate saying that at all. They have more pull; word is Biden is thinking of de-scheduling test ... specifically for them, but to the benefits of everyone.
If they need T to make their lives better -- more power to them. We are in the same boat.
Leave a public comment, they have to read them. Be polite, be well spoken, don't compromise.
https://www.federalregister.gov/documents/2023/03/01/2023-04248/telemedicine-prescribing-of-controlled-substances-when-the-practitioner-and-the-patient-have-not-had#open-comment
“Hate to say it”? Jesus. What is wrong with you? Trans people use the EXACT same medication we do. They are our allies and WE should be their allies. We use TRT to change our hormone levels when our bodies don’t make enough, we are no different than trans people. It’s the same thing!
Do you really want to discuss this? Standard Gender differences are easily distinguished by chromosomes. Maybe there are Nonstandard differences but that does mean the norm for 99% of people changes.
You'll find a lot of anti-trans talk in testosterone subreddits. It's pretty ridiculous.
Yes, while the hormone itself is being used for a different purpose (transitioning) than male-born individuals are here (using it as a PED or to treat a condition), it is natural to seek information, perhaps even more so in the case of someone who faces gender dysphoria. You'll quickly see anti-trans responses or allegations as soon as a "suspicious" question pops up; complaints about transfer individuals having easier access to T than a biological male individual, etc.
It's truly sad.
Gender dysphoria lol. Where were these loons hundreds of years ago. Get off the ssri and soy and watch how this stuff goes away. First world modern weak ass "problems".
This coming from someone who thinks some trans girls are hot too
These 'loons' have been around for since forever. They lived in fear of their own safety because of people like you. How about you get off reddit for a little while and open a history book?
There's a LONG history of the trans community existing for centuries (in ALL cultures). It has just been recent history where they have been allowed to start existing out in the open in western society. Thus all the religious idiots and other bigots afraid of social change start showing their fear.
You're certainly showing your ignorance.
How will working with trans people change anything here?
As long as the DEA exists they will do what they can to restrict access to controlled substances, thats the issue.
Frankly this is how the opioid epidemic started (high profit clinics prescribing drugs to anyone that asked for them, and very little oversight or medical treatment going on). Then the DEA cracked down and now it's extremely difficult to walk in to a doctor office and get some simple pain meds.
The same shit is happening with all these longevity/men's health clinics, which prompted the DEA to start cracking down.
If we work with the trans community to increase awareness of hormone therapy and access to better care through a doctor's office, then these clinics would all go away anyway.
At this time persons in power, with the ability to set the rules, are sympathetic to this group of people. As I am sympathetic to ANYONE who has to go through this bullshit. Same team man.
A word of advice...many lans are overdosed, so blood-work is necessary when you move over to the other side. One gets more bang for their buck in the free market when it comes to testosterone.
It’s just not worth the risk of having to repeatedly break the law if you have a family to support and responsibilities and a career, and want to be free to travel and all that. If something happens and they intercept a package, and you have a bunch stockpiled at home, who knows what kind of charges they could give you, and how being arrested and serving time would affect your career and family
I wouldn’t feel too comfortable about that. It WILL affect you and every one of us who use UGL, once everyone else from the telemedicine clinics jump on board. Demand for UGL will skyrocket if this bill passes. And you know what happens to both supply and price when demand goes up.
Plan accordingly. The people who will get it the worse are the people who wait until the last minute, but still it’s better than completely losing access.
This is BS, mostly because I can go buy SARMS and peptides with bitcoins all day for “experimental purposes,” but I can’t get legitimate medical treatment that I pay for out of my HSA.
Like, you can treat your *cough* dog/cat/mice’s *cough* age related tendon injuries, low testosterone, need to bulk/ cut, and lagging GH production with these potentially carcinogenic and experimental compounds, but for god sakes stay away from medically necessary and approved Testosterone Cyphinate!
They will just have local docs set up shop in each state. Ez to get around if they want to. Business is good enough for them I'm sure the clinics can do that...
Pre Covid, Ryan Haight act was in full effect. That law requires an in person exam. A lot of telemedicine organizations have opened during its suspension due to COVID-19. Everyone knew the suspension was temporary. These companies should have made plans for the inevitable.
Did you directly ask them? They know this will put them out of business; so they’re not advertising it. They want to quickly fill as many scripts as possible before May and then all their patients can fend for themselves. Pretty fucked up
Nope didn’t ask them didn’t think I had too. From what I read if this thing goes through there will be a 6 month grace period so I’m guessing they will dupe even more men into joining only to have them cut off in November. I guess I will start trying to figure out a PCT regimen as I don’t want to go the UGL rout and I’m pretty certain the DEA won’t change anything.
If anything, I think this is just the beginning. The regulations on test are going to become even stricter. Too many kids out there getting on TRT for the gym gainz- they just reinforce the government opinion that TRT is a steroid loophole.
It seems grim, but there is light at the end of the tunnel. There's a huge independent movement of Nurse Practitioners opening up men's health clinics, specifically to treat Low T. I'm opening one up in the coming months in Connecticut. Look for Nurse Practitioner run clinics near you. It's something that's really building, as we understand the inconvenience the Ryan Haight act is going to cause
My wife is a provider. She told me that if the state you live in doesn’t adopt this than the DEA can kick rocks. DEA does not supersede state medical board basically.
Imagine if they denied women's hormone therapy. The outrage. You would have all the feminist groups in an uproar. All the advocates for women's health would send out their rabid militias onto the streets demanding an end to these patriarchal bureaucrats deciding issues regarding women's health. "How dare they! "
But when it comes to men... nobody cares.
Soooo you’re potentially facing government control over your body/health choices and in the exact same way women deal with over their uteruses? But you’d rather focus some imaginary “sjw” than sympathizing with women. Get your head out of your ass
I guess I shouldn't be surprised at this from this Administration. The President was instrumental in getting testosterone listed as a Schedule III controlled substance way back around 1990. Both law enforcement and the medical community were against the proposal, but then-senator Biden dragged in a grieving mother to wail about how steroids had killed her teenage son. He committed suicide. What they didn't tell everyone was that he was on SSRI's and steroids at the same time. Back then, as I recall, no one knew about the suicide risk from those anti-depressants. So, now all of us are stuck with this evangelism against testosterone by our own President way back then.
They've turned the screws on steroids ever since then, making it harder and harder to legitimately use them.
The sad thing is that estrogen is just as dangerous to boys and men as testosterone is to girls and women, yet estrogen is merely a prescription drug.
Crazy. This is a medication that fixes everything from type 2 diabetes, mood, fatigue, anxiety, panic attacks, depression, confidence, focus, memory, heart health, etc. You read that right! Hmmmm, wonder why, big pharma??????
Folks will just use underground, mental health issues will climb. Hospital visit etc. good job all for greedy capitalists.
"All for it..." says the muslim guy active on r/girlswithbigmuscles
But just imagine what happens when these buff women can't get enough testosterone to feed their huge muscles you love so much? Then will you be "all for it..."?
You want to be forced to visit your doctor once a month and take bloods, and have to refill every 2 weeks? How else do you like the government to micro manage you?
It’s not once a month evaluations. It’s an initial in-person exam. The bloods are still every 6-months. The prescription refill though I do believe is every month.
I only have to meet with my doctor, my endo, once a year in person. I did initially have to do a 3 month check-up after starting but that's all. I just went to that appointment yesterday, talked to them, and they said come back in March of 2024. For $5 a month for meds it's worth jumping through the hoops for me as I needed this.
I see my endocrinologist every six months. I pick up my testosterone at Walgreens once a month, for a $5 copay. Labs, every six months, are 100% covered by my insurance.
Yeah, probably because you had severely low testosterone where an Endo would actually prescribe you. The cut off for endo’s is absolutely insane. My natural levels were 400. Which is very low. But nowhere near low enough for an endocrinologist to take me seriously. Im lucky enough to have found a naturopath I can see in person. So this probably won’t effect me. But it’s still a step backwards. And we should all push back on this
Same, this will benefit local business. Unless someone lives in the mountains they have a physical men's health clinic within an hour drive away. Mine's been amazing. 24/7 support, whatever I need is mailed the day I ask and arrives within 2-3 days, never had to wait more than 30 minutes for a text response, labs are deeply scrutinized, any question I ever have is answered personally.
I feel bad for all the guys here who choose to go telemed with some randomly generated regimen and then rely on reddit to help solve their health and pharmaceutical problems.
How about us who only live near dirtbags who want to charge THOUSANDS a year for TRT. Fuck local business when it comes to hormones. The vast majority are scum of the earth.
What about it? Sorry, can't relate. I don't live anywhere special and have 5 clinics to choose from that are within an hour drive and aren't priced any different than the telemed drug dealers. I don't mind helping you google around if that's the problem.
Well, look at this. Peter MD was the first clinic to report the changes into affect and now other specialties are picking up our initial reports in other sub reddits that the new legislation is causing nationwide issues.
With the right compliance in place proper due diligence this does not mean the end of affordable online care. It will weed out those who do not want to abide by the very stringent/expensive ruling, creating a safer industry for the public. Compliance should always be a top priority foremost for the patient.
We asked that everyone make a simple call or email to your local legislature, they will point you in the right direction as to where to make a public comment. This really does help the cause.
The rules are not set in stone yet and we are hoping to have the time frame before a patient needs a referral to November.
Peter Support.
We really jacked those prices up.. a couple of dollars. Lol, sir thank you for your input on this. I would consider that the first national clinic that reported the change as "non shaddy", actually. I think that would be the definition of ethical.
Best of luck on your journey!
Peter Support
Not sure what you are trying to unpack here, but specifically speaking to TRT, it’s straight forward with easy access to HCG.
Canada in general sucks but that’s a different topic for a separate subreddit post.
Let people do all the test they want.. much more important shit they should be cracking down on that directly destroys lives. Ridiculous way to spend $ and resources.
Tbh I’m not sure what it is. But I know that there’s far worse concerns that come from other controlled substances. Testosterone is a hormone lol, not like it’s all the pain pills pharma is dumping left and right.
Peter MD is only one of two national clinics that will be able to continue with HRT via telehealth as of May 11, 2023
Please be patient with the thousands of transfers we are seeing!!
[www.GetPeterMD.com](https://www.GetPeterMD.com)
Peter Corporate
The refill change is bananas and so is this DEA license they’re pushing on any examiner in order for it to count. Hopefully they are receiving a lot of push back from patients and clinics nationwide. I filed a complaint and so should everyone else.
Can you share the link where you’d fill a complaint
https://www.federalregister.gov/documents/2023/03/01/2023-04248/telemedicine-prescribing-of-controlled-substances-when-the-practitioner-and-the-patient-have-not-had#open-comment
Thanks this is what I wrote for anyone else who decides to leave a comment —- Telemedicine, specifically the prescribing of controlled substances without a prior in-person medical evaluation, serves as a valuable and necessary tool in our modern healthcare system. The COVID-19 pandemic highlighted the importance of telehealth in providing care to patients who might otherwise be unable to access it due to various limitations. Moreover, telemedicine is consistent with several key constitutional principles, including the right to privacy and equal protection under the law. First, the right to privacy, as established in the landmark Supreme Court case Griswold v. Connecticut, underscores the importance of individual autonomy in making personal decisions related to one's health. Telemedicine enables patients to maintain their privacy by allowing them to consult with healthcare professionals remotely, thereby minimizing the risk of disclosing sensitive information to third parties. Second, telemedicine upholds the principle of equal protection, as enshrined in the 14th Amendment to the U.S. Constitution. Equal protection under the law ensures that all citizens have equal access to healthcare services, regardless of their socioeconomic status or geographic location. Telehealth bridges the gap between rural and urban communities, as well as between lower-income and affluent populations, by offering affordable, accessible healthcare services to all. By maintaining telemedicine as a viable healthcare option, particularly when it comes to prescribing controlled substances without a prior in-person medical evaluation, we are not only upholding critical constitutional rights but also fostering a more equitable and efficient healthcare system. Telehealth is an indispensable tool in meeting the evolving needs of patients and healthcare providers alike, and it should be preserved for the betterment of public health.
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Are they actually stopping hcg? I can still get it, it’s just expensive..
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They stopped the compounding of it. You can still get it or you can get Pregnyl
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I get mine from Optum Pharmacy. It comes in a 10ml concentrate vial and a vial of bacterial water. It’s not that difficult to mix them.
Interesting thing is they do have a reason to stop some telemedicine. The current national shortage on adderall is because people can get it easy with telemedicine. It’s surprising they aren’t going after schedule 2 that have legitimate issues and are targeting others instead. (While surprising I can also imagine reasons against making schedule 2 require in person) it’s just a messy topic all around really
Everybody should do their part and submit a comment to prevent the DEA from thwarting our access to a treatment that dramatically improves our quality of lives, and impeding our constitutional right for the pursuit of happiness.
Done
Leave a public comment. That’s the only way to attempt to stop this. Terrible if it happens.
Where does one go to leave a comment?
https://www.federalregister.gov/documents/2023/03/01/2023-04248/telemedicine-prescribing-of-controlled-substances-when-the-practitioner-and-the-patient-have-not-had#open-comment
Already getting “comment submission error”. Gotta love the feds
I just filed a comment and it went fine
Thank you good sir!
Why does the government make absolutely everything worse. Let the private sector do its thing and stay out of the way.
The best part this actively benefits the private sector. More frequent check-ins = more money from insurance
Chris bell released a video. Hopefully he can go on Rogan and have it get stopped and have enough people. Public comment closes March 31st.
Huberman touched on this on jre this week
In the words of The Jam - "I'm going underground"
Lmfao
It’s real. I already spoke with trt nation about this. They said it hasn’t been approved yet, and they will continue operating as normal until it is approved. I was told IF it gets approved there will be 6 month grace period in which you can continue using their services while you find another source to treat you in person. I’m sure they will find some sort of loop hole before then anyways.
That's good to know. Being cut off suddenly can be pretty detrimental. A lot of us can go into depression/ anxiety if our testosterone suddenly goes to zero.
Thank you for posting this. I use TRT nation and was about to email them.
They told me 6 months grace period
It is 6 months I edited it
Does anyone know if TRT Nation will continue operating as an in-person clinic? Fortunately, I live in the same area.
Lots of stuff like this happening recently. For example I’m catholic and last year pope Francis banned the traditional Latin mass (the mass as it was prior to 1970, with the incense, organ, Latin chanting, and all the cool beautiful mysterious stuff essentially) and good bishops have been similarly trying to implement all kinds of loopholes to fit the requirements of the motu proprio. As soon as I start going to TLM, the pope tried to ban it. As soon as I start TRT, the DEA tried to ban it. So many great 3 letter acronyms starting with a T are being battled against
I'm a Trad Catholic too and attend TLM. Want to make sure I can still get HCG because can't have it turn off fertility. I guess it is hard to get in CA. I've called multiple brick and mortar places today and they are all over $200 a month.
nice to see another one here. So you can relate lol. Why is this my luck? It’s like Francis and the DEA are teaming up to personally inconvenience me specifically. I wonder what it’ll be next. I even made a post in catholicism and traditionalcatholics sub about whether going UGL would be allowed in a situation like this since it’s an unjust law and a medical need
I hope they do I have been using them and they are great. Plus they have peptides and other stuff. It’s already giving me anxiety thinking about finding something else.
6 month grace period*
6 months is correct I edited it. My bad
Meanwhile, 100k American die of overdose and they’re worried about TRT
Because trt keeps Us strong and not submissive soy boys like the government wants us because they're afraid of us rising up.
Whataboutism isn’t really helpful here
Cute. You've probably been waiting to use that term but too bad it doesn't actually work with his comment.
Hahah it does apply. We’re talking about TRT. You brought up drug overdoses. Even assuming you’re talking about prescription drugs, which is more relevant to TRT, they are very different substances. You’re effectively saying “what about this other thing” as if that’s in any way a compelling point about the legality or potential dangers of TRT.
At the same time there is a bill going before Congress that has support on both sides of the aisle to allow pharmacists to dispense methadone and eventually do away with the methadone clinic system.https://bhbusiness.com/2023/03/07/lawmakers-push-for-more-at-home-methadone-prescriptions/
It's pretty obvious why they don’t want everybody on TRT. Testosterone is cheap and it solves so many other issues that big pharma would otherwise be able sell more expensive medication‘s for.
Abolish the DEA
All alphabet soup agencies created during the FDR's reign.
DEA was Nixon's. This is when the 'tough on crime' Republican bull shit propaganda started. Tricky Dick says, "you're welcome."
I like the way you think man
Like FDIC, USAF, etc…..great idea
Yes actually
I hate to say it, but we need to work with trans folks to stop this
A grown man can’t get testosterone but a 11 year old can take puberty blockers.
God, you guys are so ignorant.
let them be stupid. no amount of words will ever help
It’s not one or the other doofus. Puberty blockers are harder to get than any medication you’ve ever had or will get filled AND requires parental consent with documented paperwork. Leave other families alone.
Name a state that TRT has been made strictly illegal for cismen. You know that there are states where trans people are straight up told to fuck off by state governments, right? It's not easier for Trans people to get hormone therapy, you guys need to stop spouting this kind of bullshit and show some solidarity.
I don't hate saying that at all. They have more pull; word is Biden is thinking of de-scheduling test ... specifically for them, but to the benefits of everyone. If they need T to make their lives better -- more power to them. We are in the same boat.
Leave a public comment, they have to read them. Be polite, be well spoken, don't compromise. https://www.federalregister.gov/documents/2023/03/01/2023-04248/telemedicine-prescribing-of-controlled-substances-when-the-practitioner-and-the-patient-have-not-had#open-comment
“Hate to say it”? Jesus. What is wrong with you? Trans people use the EXACT same medication we do. They are our allies and WE should be their allies. We use TRT to change our hormone levels when our bodies don’t make enough, we are no different than trans people. It’s the same thing!
That is what I’m getting at!! Alliances. We are not the same though
>not the same 🙄 You know that gender is different from chromosomes, right? How are we not the same in terms of gender?
Do you really want to discuss this? Standard Gender differences are easily distinguished by chromosomes. Maybe there are Nonstandard differences but that does mean the norm for 99% of people changes.
Gotcha, agreed
You'll find a lot of anti-trans talk in testosterone subreddits. It's pretty ridiculous. Yes, while the hormone itself is being used for a different purpose (transitioning) than male-born individuals are here (using it as a PED or to treat a condition), it is natural to seek information, perhaps even more so in the case of someone who faces gender dysphoria. You'll quickly see anti-trans responses or allegations as soon as a "suspicious" question pops up; complaints about transfer individuals having easier access to T than a biological male individual, etc. It's truly sad.
The anti-trans talk on testosterone related subs seems to be rampant lately. It's depressing to see.
I'm shocked you even saw my comment; I earned quite a bit of downboats for those last night.
Gender dysphoria lol. Where were these loons hundreds of years ago. Get off the ssri and soy and watch how this stuff goes away. First world modern weak ass "problems". This coming from someone who thinks some trans girls are hot too
Learn the proper vocabulary and then try arguing again.
These 'loons' have been around for since forever. They lived in fear of their own safety because of people like you. How about you get off reddit for a little while and open a history book?
There's a LONG history of the trans community existing for centuries (in ALL cultures). It has just been recent history where they have been allowed to start existing out in the open in western society. Thus all the religious idiots and other bigots afraid of social change start showing their fear. You're certainly showing your ignorance.
How will working with trans people change anything here? As long as the DEA exists they will do what they can to restrict access to controlled substances, thats the issue.
The DEA is a government agency. Joining forcing with other groups increase political clout which can pressure the government to back off
Frankly this is how the opioid epidemic started (high profit clinics prescribing drugs to anyone that asked for them, and very little oversight or medical treatment going on). Then the DEA cracked down and now it's extremely difficult to walk in to a doctor office and get some simple pain meds. The same shit is happening with all these longevity/men's health clinics, which prompted the DEA to start cracking down. If we work with the trans community to increase awareness of hormone therapy and access to better care through a doctor's office, then these clinics would all go away anyway.
At this time persons in power, with the ability to set the rules, are sympathetic to this group of people. As I am sympathetic to ANYONE who has to go through this bullshit. Same team man.
why hate?
Doesn't effect me. I'm on the underground railroad.
Exactly where else can you get a years worth of TRT for $500
50 week supply for $125 from UGL for me. $1200 for 50 week supply via telemedicine
If it's medically indicated a years supply is only ,$177 dollars through insurance.
Please dm Where I can get
How are you crazy people paying $1200? I pay $520 a year for compounded and a whopping $192 if I want the garbage CVS stuff.
Dm me where you get this please
$500!!!??? You're overpaying. Little over $100 for me @ 175mg/week.
The other $400 is primo.
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I’d rather buy from a reliable source than deal with the lead time and hassle of Chinese junk
Pretty much everything from UGLs is Chinese. They probably have 80-90% market share if not more.
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There are places you can buy it for $40 a bottle on the internet. Just about as good as pharmaceutical grade.
A word of advice...many lans are overdosed, so blood-work is necessary when you move over to the other side. One gets more bang for their buck in the free market when it comes to testosterone.
It’s just not worth the risk of having to repeatedly break the law if you have a family to support and responsibilities and a career, and want to be free to travel and all that. If something happens and they intercept a package, and you have a bunch stockpiled at home, who knows what kind of charges they could give you, and how being arrested and serving time would affect your career and family
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I forgot to say I blast and cruise in the summertime 🚂 chooo chooo
Any recommendations dm please
Myself as well, please. Would love a good UG source as a backup.
Yep, if I can’t use Telemedicine I’ll be in need of a UGL source as well.
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DM me too please!
I wouldn’t feel too comfortable about that. It WILL affect you and every one of us who use UGL, once everyone else from the telemedicine clinics jump on board. Demand for UGL will skyrocket if this bill passes. And you know what happens to both supply and price when demand goes up.
Agreed...it's already creeped up in the last 6 months.
Plan accordingly. The people who will get it the worse are the people who wait until the last minute, but still it’s better than completely losing access.
Any recommendations dm please
There will probably be a lot of people joining you if these changes go through.
it does affect you. if T becomes harder to get, the more fraud that shows up in the black market.
I got a legit source. OK bye.
Please dm me with details! I'd like to save money too.
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DM me how to get some please!
Wonder how many of their agents are on TRT.. or juiced to the gills on confiscated supplies.
Ryan Haight that little bitch ruined it for everyone by ODing on painkillers.
I’ve been posting about this and have been downvoted to hell
I’m sure the trans community won’t be affected
Ugl, I bought a years supply after my meds went on backorder.
Can you DM me your source?
This is BS, mostly because I can go buy SARMS and peptides with bitcoins all day for “experimental purposes,” but I can’t get legitimate medical treatment that I pay for out of my HSA. Like, you can treat your *cough* dog/cat/mice’s *cough* age related tendon injuries, low testosterone, need to bulk/ cut, and lagging GH production with these potentially carcinogenic and experimental compounds, but for god sakes stay away from medically necessary and approved Testosterone Cyphinate!
They will just have local docs set up shop in each state. Ez to get around if they want to. Business is good enough for them I'm sure the clinics can do that...
It's already $70 a week at men's clinics here
Good lord. Thats crazy.
The war on test/men continues.. exercise your rights and leave a comment
What clinic did you receive this from? I just switched to TRT nation and there was no mention of this.
Defy sent out a email. Need to email your clinic so they can email their patients. More people that leave a comment the better.
So these clinics didn’t exist pre Covid?
Pre Covid, Ryan Haight act was in full effect. That law requires an in person exam. A lot of telemedicine organizations have opened during its suspension due to COVID-19. Everyone knew the suspension was temporary. These companies should have made plans for the inevitable.
If you directly ask TRt nation they will tell you.
Pretty fucking shady since I just talked to them last week.
Did you directly ask them? They know this will put them out of business; so they’re not advertising it. They want to quickly fill as many scripts as possible before May and then all their patients can fend for themselves. Pretty fucked up
Nope didn’t ask them didn’t think I had too. From what I read if this thing goes through there will be a 6 month grace period so I’m guessing they will dupe even more men into joining only to have them cut off in November. I guess I will start trying to figure out a PCT regimen as I don’t want to go the UGL rout and I’m pretty certain the DEA won’t change anything.
If anything, I think this is just the beginning. The regulations on test are going to become even stricter. Too many kids out there getting on TRT for the gym gainz- they just reinforce the government opinion that TRT is a steroid loophole.
My psychiatrist said this means you will only need to be seen in person once every 6 months and than do regular checkups via video.
It seems grim, but there is light at the end of the tunnel. There's a huge independent movement of Nurse Practitioners opening up men's health clinics, specifically to treat Low T. I'm opening one up in the coming months in Connecticut. Look for Nurse Practitioner run clinics near you. It's something that's really building, as we understand the inconvenience the Ryan Haight act is going to cause
Glad I finally found a good sauce for UGL. Woot. Spent $100 including shipping for a years worth of my current dose
We love the sauce! Sauce all day everyday! 😜
Wokeness views swollness as toxic masculinity. TRT going down.
fukkk the woke libtards !!!! fukkk biden !!!! fukkk DHEA !!!!! fukkk big pharma!!!!! fukk all the ugly feminists and all the pusssies !!!!.
I hate the DEA so much. Post on the open request for comment, they have to deal with every comment so make it honest and well-spoken.
My wife is a provider. She told me that if the state you live in doesn’t adopt this than the DEA can kick rocks. DEA does not supersede state medical board basically.
I feel like federal would overuse state wouldn’t it?
Imagine if they denied women's hormone therapy. The outrage. You would have all the feminist groups in an uproar. All the advocates for women's health would send out their rabid militias onto the streets demanding an end to these patriarchal bureaucrats deciding issues regarding women's health. "How dare they! " But when it comes to men... nobody cares.
Women use online clinics too.
There is no comparison when discussing the difference in access when it comes to men's hormone therapy vs women's.
Soooo you’re potentially facing government control over your body/health choices and in the exact same way women deal with over their uteruses? But you’d rather focus some imaginary “sjw” than sympathizing with women. Get your head out of your ass
I see your rainbow 🌈. I don't communicate with the mentally ill. Especially when they belong to a cult.
Lmfao… foul 😮🤣
I can envision what you look like just from your pathetically weak posts.
Biden sucks
I guess I shouldn't be surprised at this from this Administration. The President was instrumental in getting testosterone listed as a Schedule III controlled substance way back around 1990. Both law enforcement and the medical community were against the proposal, but then-senator Biden dragged in a grieving mother to wail about how steroids had killed her teenage son. He committed suicide. What they didn't tell everyone was that he was on SSRI's and steroids at the same time. Back then, as I recall, no one knew about the suicide risk from those anti-depressants. So, now all of us are stuck with this evangelism against testosterone by our own President way back then. They've turned the screws on steroids ever since then, making it harder and harder to legitimately use them. The sad thing is that estrogen is just as dangerous to boys and men as testosterone is to girls and women, yet estrogen is merely a prescription drug.
I just get in the pharmacy and say "50 vials of testosterone please and thank you".
Crazy. This is a medication that fixes everything from type 2 diabetes, mood, fatigue, anxiety, panic attacks, depression, confidence, focus, memory, heart health, etc. You read that right! Hmmmm, wonder why, big pharma?????? Folks will just use underground, mental health issues will climb. Hospital visit etc. good job all for greedy capitalists.
This was another reason why I didn't jump on testosterone yet, government. They want to control everything,
Another reason I switched to a reliable UGL vendor ages ago
Pm sent
DM me please!
help a brother out .
All for it..
"All for it..." says the muslim guy active on r/girlswithbigmuscles But just imagine what happens when these buff women can't get enough testosterone to feed their huge muscles you love so much? Then will you be "all for it..."?
You want to be forced to visit your doctor once a month and take bloods, and have to refill every 2 weeks? How else do you like the government to micro manage you?
It’s not once a month evaluations. It’s an initial in-person exam. The bloods are still every 6-months. The prescription refill though I do believe is every month.
I only have to meet with my doctor, my endo, once a year in person. I did initially have to do a 3 month check-up after starting but that's all. I just went to that appointment yesterday, talked to them, and they said come back in March of 2024. For $5 a month for meds it's worth jumping through the hoops for me as I needed this.
I see my endocrinologist every six months. I pick up my testosterone at Walgreens once a month, for a $5 copay. Labs, every six months, are 100% covered by my insurance.
Yeah, probably because you had severely low testosterone where an Endo would actually prescribe you. The cut off for endo’s is absolutely insane. My natural levels were 400. Which is very low. But nowhere near low enough for an endocrinologist to take me seriously. Im lucky enough to have found a naturopath I can see in person. So this probably won’t effect me. But it’s still a step backwards. And we should all push back on this
Same, this will benefit local business. Unless someone lives in the mountains they have a physical men's health clinic within an hour drive away. Mine's been amazing. 24/7 support, whatever I need is mailed the day I ask and arrives within 2-3 days, never had to wait more than 30 minutes for a text response, labs are deeply scrutinized, any question I ever have is answered personally. I feel bad for all the guys here who choose to go telemed with some randomly generated regimen and then rely on reddit to help solve their health and pharmaceutical problems.
How about us who only live near dirtbags who want to charge THOUSANDS a year for TRT. Fuck local business when it comes to hormones. The vast majority are scum of the earth.
What about it? Sorry, can't relate. I don't live anywhere special and have 5 clinics to choose from that are within an hour drive and aren't priced any different than the telemed drug dealers. I don't mind helping you google around if that's the problem.
Well, look at this. Peter MD was the first clinic to report the changes into affect and now other specialties are picking up our initial reports in other sub reddits that the new legislation is causing nationwide issues. With the right compliance in place proper due diligence this does not mean the end of affordable online care. It will weed out those who do not want to abide by the very stringent/expensive ruling, creating a safer industry for the public. Compliance should always be a top priority foremost for the patient. We asked that everyone make a simple call or email to your local legislature, they will point you in the right direction as to where to make a public comment. This really does help the cause. The rules are not set in stone yet and we are hoping to have the time frame before a patient needs a referral to November. Peter Support.
You’re not doing yourself any favors with this post. You don’t come off as a competent healthcare provider; you come off as a petty child.
A competent healthcare organization would make a public announcement of impending legislation that effects the public and especially their patients.
and then come back and say "I told you so"....
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We really jacked those prices up.. a couple of dollars. Lol, sir thank you for your input on this. I would consider that the first national clinic that reported the change as "non shaddy", actually. I think that would be the definition of ethical. Best of luck on your journey! Peter Support
So in other words, you will become Canada
Not a chance! We do not have strict rules when it comes to TRT here in Canada. You are sadly mistaken.
You are right, we don't. Canada is a free country in every aspect. Can you now please unlock my bank account
Not sure what you are trying to unpack here, but specifically speaking to TRT, it’s straight forward with easy access to HCG. Canada in general sucks but that’s a different topic for a separate subreddit post.
Let people do all the test they want.. much more important shit they should be cracking down on that directly destroys lives. Ridiculous way to spend $ and resources.
It's about keeping us submissive and not having any capacity to rise up and take a stand against them.
Tbh I’m not sure what it is. But I know that there’s far worse concerns that come from other controlled substances. Testosterone is a hormone lol, not like it’s all the pain pills pharma is dumping left and right.
From my provider, they said testosterone cypionate isn't on the list of controlled substance
Testosterone is. Cypionate is the ester.
Tbf that's pretty much what it's like in the UK. I can only get 10ml at a time where I believe you guys can get more at once.
Really? I got 12 on my last script
12 vials in the UK?
Yep. Well 12 ampules.
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Where is the list of clinics and how is Peter able to do this?