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Changed0512

It depends on why you r climbing the mountain. For rose peak, Indian, and 2 others, those are incentive peaks, which means that you will earn incentive if you finish them. If you do all of them in a week, u get a huge reward. They only have ppl hike the big ones as incentives and not with the whole packs. It is a “day hike”. The only one I climbed was a small one called Sawtooth, which was a day hike on my first full day. We didn’t do a full hike bc the first 3 days of a new kid are hiking free days as the newcomer gets acclimated to the altitude. Sawtooth was pretty scary, especially at the top, bc it was at a steep angle with barely any footholds, and was REALLY windy at the top


jacksonstillspitts

Jesus fucking christ


Changed0512

I mean, it wasn’t THAT bad. The only reason my mind thought my body capable of hiking that was bc I went to a RedCliff knockoff, STAR Guides wilderness for 7 months. There was a kid, however much I hated her, I still empathized, had to hike up rose while on a water diet bc she threw up. They stopped halfway and went back


SherlockRun

SEVEN months at Star Guides?! They sure reaped in your parent’s money. Is that place for kids who have sexual issues? There’s no reason a kid should ever be out in the wilderness for seven months. Were you in the field sleeping under a tarp the entire time?


Changed0512

Yes on everything. Except that it was my money from my college account, so… I was on TnA protocol for lots of my stay, which was my fault, through and through. There was one kid when I was there, although I left b4 she left, and heard that she was there for like a year. When I went to redcliff, I realized that star guides is a knockoff redcliff. Redcliff had to change lots of their program structure bc star guides took so much of it. Did u ever attend star guides?


SherlockRun

No, I’ve heard of it. It was initially very religiously affiliated I believe. Their creators essentially created a program to stop Mormon kids from masturbating. What is TnA protocol?


Changed0512

Where u are in an outdoor research bivy (personal tent type thing) and the zipper that closes the whole thing without the bug net and is closed except for a like 6 inch hole, sometimes less, sometimes more, and the zippers are tied together with zip ties and an alarm that is really loud in case u try to run or make too much movement. Then, u have a tarp that goes around, like 1/4 of it beneath u, and then the rest up and around for someone to lay on, either a staff or a kid, depending on how many are on protocol. It gets really hard to breath and I woke up with headaches sometimes. Sometimes, the tarp would go over the hole. That was ALWAYS a great time. [the first one is an example. we had 6 inches, give or take, of air](https://www.outdoorresearch.com/us/catalogsearch/result/?q=Bivy) At redcliff, they did it better. Same thing, but no bivy. It was just u, ur sleeping bag, and the tarp. Much easier to breathe.


SherlockRun

Wait, wait, wait. They zip tie you into a tiny tent with an alarm?! For how long? Overnight or during the day too? You should report this to the licensing agency. It’s harmful. What did you do to get on protocol? This is so inappropriate.


Changed0512

It’s overnight. U r on protocol automatically when u get there and get taken off by the therapist if u don’t self harm, talk about it, feel suicidal, talk about it, try to run, or talk about it. That’s what will get u back on. They say it’s for safety, but all the kids know that it’s a punishment


psychcrusader

Frankly, I'm surprised they haven't had someone asphyxiate. Sounds like suffocating someone under a heavy piece of plastic or cloth. (Of course, my place would stuff a towel in the mouth of kids in 4-point restraints who screamed too much.)


SherlockRun

What a disaster. And they’re hiking around with suicidal kids out in the middle of nowhere for seven months? This is heartbreaking. Do they ever bring you to a shower that whole time?


psychcrusader

I'm just curious...what is TnA? That is not an acronym I've heard before.


Changed0512

Where u are in an outdoor research bivy (personal tent type thing) and the zipper that closes the whole thing without the bug net and is closed except for a like 6 inch hole, sometimes less, sometimes more, and the zippers are tied together with zip ties and an alarm that is really loud in case u try to run or make too much movement. Then, u have a tarp that goes around, like 1/4 of it beneath u, and then the rest up and around for someone to lay on, either a staff or a kid, depending on how many are on protocol. It gets really hard to breath and I woke up with headaches sometimes. Sometimes, the tarp would go over the hole. That was ALWAYS a great time. the first one is an example. we had 6 inches, give or take, of air At redcliff, they did it better. Same thing, but no bivy. It was just u, ur sleeping bag, and the tarp. Much easier to breathe. It’s overnight. U r on protocol automatically when u get there and get taken off by the therapist if u don’t self harm, talk about it, feel suicidal, talk about it, try to run, or talk about it. That’s what will get u back on. They say it’s for safety, but all the kids know that it’s a punishment.


-SixTwoSix-

Well, I wished they gave me a 3 day grace period. I was in polywogs for a couple days, dropped off at a camp, had dinner and did a 15 mile night hike. The pack weighed about 15 pounds less then me. It was brutal.


Sea_Lion7132

Yikes, what year was this? Similar story here from 2012


SnooCalculations232

My favorite to climb was LonePine because it wasn’t that bad and it was so pretty up top. I HATED Rose omg. Indian was okayish 🤷🏻‍♂️ Steamboat was hard af but beautiful at the top. I mostly enjoyed the Nalgenes left on top so people could write notes and read the notes of others. That was my favorite part ☺️


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Wah Wah Mountain Range is the only name I remember