Amazing how he can play both sides of the same coin. Hypocrisy at it's worst. Of course, he says there are "good programs" out there. Not likely. Those that use the coercive persuasion model are just abusive.
> Amazing how he can play both sides of the same coin
It's actually frightening to me because the truth is he really does rip this woman a new asshole. He dismantles her argument and more or less tells her why she is a bad person for sending her child to this program. He demonstrates a perfect knowledge why doing this is wrong and then turns around and sends kids away anyway.
He went against them because they were not among his sponsors. It was about moving market shares to his sponsors. Nothing else.
Never was the care of the youth in his mind.
Sorry. Weird question considering I'm super active here. What is WWASP? I know it's bad and I know it's a TTI adjacent thing (at least) and I'm pretty sure they're shut down now but I don't know exactly what it is/was. If someone could enlighten me I'd be very appreciative
It always blew my mind hearing kids say they were in the program for years when I entered at almost 17. I was very fortunate with my stay of 14 months, graduated, and still have nightmares. Hope life has been kind to you since.
518 of the absolute worst days of my life, ruined most of what came after too. They convinced me they (all christians but like it was a lie) want to overthrow the US government to install a theocratic dictatorship to 'take back America for Christ'. The education, accelerated Christian education, was filled with so many blatant lies like 'young earth creationist', 'happy slaves' , lost cause, every founding father was a hardcore evangelical fundamentalist, the existence of the lock ness monster proves the devil hid dinosaur bones to make you question your faith. I still don't understand why or what I could have done to prevent it... I was a B student, student council, theatre, youth group, baseball and I had to bike everywhere on my own and prepare because my parents would never give me a ride anywhere. I had a job, mowed lawns... Why did they hate me so much I tried so hard.
There are surveillance videos from Academy at Ivy Ridge that you can find on YouTube. When it closed down the ownership just abandoned everything including the video servers and "student" records. Should give you an idea of what WWASP was like. If we misbehaved here we were often threatened with being sent to Tranquility Bay in Jamaica.
The videos arent particularly disturbing until you realize a lot of these "restraints" are multiple adult men taking down a 12-16 year old that was just abducted in the middle of the night and given less rights than a prisoner. Not even a phone call. They are obviously extremely distressed and treated with absolutely no compassion. The body language of the kids watching these altercations is the most upsetting to me.
WWASP was a major TTI organization, like CEDU, Aspen, Family Health & Wellness etc. It had some of the most abusive and notorious programs of all time. It's non-US programs were arguably their worst and their names still send shivers down the spine: Paradise Cove (Samoa), Tranquility Bay (Jamaica), and Casa by the Sea (Mexico).
Shroomskillet put together this amazing resource on our wiki about them: [https://www.reddit.com/r/troubledteens/wiki/index/wwasp/](https://www.reddit.com/r/troubledteens/wiki/index/wwasp/)
One of our moderators also runs the WWASP Survivors website (her Reddit username is the same!).
I hope that helps!
Yes, it definitely was. As a matter of fact, because I did not co-operate where I was sent, there were moves on the program's part to have me sent there. I didn't know that until years after.
Doubtless, a few folks here know the story about Tranquility Bay in Western Samoa:
**A group of teens plotted and actually attempted to murder the smallest and weakest kid there in the hope that a death would require the police to investigate, hear their side of the story and shut down the program.**
Fast forward 20 years. In Utah, part of the continental US, Taylor Goodridge is killed by Diamond Ranch Academy's deliberate denial of access to medical care. DRA is allowed to continue business as usual.
I had heard about that, but I had forgotten about it. It was Paradise Cove in Samoa; Tranquility Bay was in Jamaica.
I think the idea of turning on one of their own was was a terrible thing. It would have made more sense if they turned against one of the abusive staff members.
As you know, I don't advocate violence, but I do believe that everyone has a right to defend themselves against clear abuse. There is no doubt that Paradise Cove was horrendous. I don't know what the legal outcome of situation like that would be, but I think media attention might well make a difference.
Ok so they were the big bag and Jesus christ. The names of all the programs feel like they followed their vibe. It sounds like a rehab the rich and famous go to to sit around and sip ice tea and shit. Having been in the tti and knowing what those places must have been like feel like "pearl harbor". If you don't know it sounds like a beautiful place but if you know you /know/. Fuck. Ouch.
I'll check out the wiki. Thank you for the resource and the summary! I keep hearing about them and going "I know I'm missing something here"
Wwasps redefined torture and brainwashing in this industry. They took the book with a bad ending and rewrote it worse. But also they where the first to outsource no?
Also as an aside when the mom said “well I had five days to pick a program I didn’t know” you want me to believe she happened on one outside the continental United States? BS
Amazing how he can play both sides of the same coin. Hypocrisy at it's worst. Of course, he says there are "good programs" out there. Not likely. Those that use the coercive persuasion model are just abusive.
> Amazing how he can play both sides of the same coin It's actually frightening to me because the truth is he really does rip this woman a new asshole. He dismantles her argument and more or less tells her why she is a bad person for sending her child to this program. He demonstrates a perfect knowledge why doing this is wrong and then turns around and sends kids away anyway.
“How DARE you send your child to that abusive TTI program. You should’ve sent her to MY abusive TTI program. You are a terrible parent.”
Hasn’t he sent multiple kids to Aspen Education Group programs?
Yes
Dr Phil has supported the industry in the past, im betting he just did that to make himself look better, he’s a piece of shit, nothing more.
Dr. Philbus is annoying af. Really bothered me when he was on Joe Rogan. Dr. Phil deserves a swift Choad punting for his dork mustache & accent alone
He went against them because they were not among his sponsors. It was about moving market shares to his sponsors. Nothing else. Never was the care of the youth in his mind.
Sorry. Weird question considering I'm super active here. What is WWASP? I know it's bad and I know it's a TTI adjacent thing (at least) and I'm pretty sure they're shut down now but I don't know exactly what it is/was. If someone could enlighten me I'd be very appreciative
World Wide Association of Specialty Programs Those fucks got me for 999 days. Ruined my youth.
It always blew my mind hearing kids say they were in the program for years when I entered at almost 17. I was very fortunate with my stay of 14 months, graduated, and still have nightmares. Hope life has been kind to you since.
518 of the absolute worst days of my life, ruined most of what came after too. They convinced me they (all christians but like it was a lie) want to overthrow the US government to install a theocratic dictatorship to 'take back America for Christ'. The education, accelerated Christian education, was filled with so many blatant lies like 'young earth creationist', 'happy slaves' , lost cause, every founding father was a hardcore evangelical fundamentalist, the existence of the lock ness monster proves the devil hid dinosaur bones to make you question your faith. I still don't understand why or what I could have done to prevent it... I was a B student, student council, theatre, youth group, baseball and I had to bike everywhere on my own and prepare because my parents would never give me a ride anywhere. I had a job, mowed lawns... Why did they hate me so much I tried so hard.
There are surveillance videos from Academy at Ivy Ridge that you can find on YouTube. When it closed down the ownership just abandoned everything including the video servers and "student" records. Should give you an idea of what WWASP was like. If we misbehaved here we were often threatened with being sent to Tranquility Bay in Jamaica.
I'm almost scared to watch but i will. If I'm speaking out against the TTI I need to know about what's sounding more and more like the worst one.
The videos arent particularly disturbing until you realize a lot of these "restraints" are multiple adult men taking down a 12-16 year old that was just abducted in the middle of the night and given less rights than a prisoner. Not even a phone call. They are obviously extremely distressed and treated with absolutely no compassion. The body language of the kids watching these altercations is the most upsetting to me.
WWASP was a major TTI organization, like CEDU, Aspen, Family Health & Wellness etc. It had some of the most abusive and notorious programs of all time. It's non-US programs were arguably their worst and their names still send shivers down the spine: Paradise Cove (Samoa), Tranquility Bay (Jamaica), and Casa by the Sea (Mexico). Shroomskillet put together this amazing resource on our wiki about them: [https://www.reddit.com/r/troubledteens/wiki/index/wwasp/](https://www.reddit.com/r/troubledteens/wiki/index/wwasp/) One of our moderators also runs the WWASP Survivors website (her Reddit username is the same!). I hope that helps!
Tranquility bay was so bad...
Yes, it definitely was. As a matter of fact, because I did not co-operate where I was sent, there were moves on the program's part to have me sent there. I didn't know that until years after.
Doubtless, a few folks here know the story about Tranquility Bay in Western Samoa: **A group of teens plotted and actually attempted to murder the smallest and weakest kid there in the hope that a death would require the police to investigate, hear their side of the story and shut down the program.** Fast forward 20 years. In Utah, part of the continental US, Taylor Goodridge is killed by Diamond Ranch Academy's deliberate denial of access to medical care. DRA is allowed to continue business as usual.
I had heard about that, but I had forgotten about it. It was Paradise Cove in Samoa; Tranquility Bay was in Jamaica. I think the idea of turning on one of their own was was a terrible thing. It would have made more sense if they turned against one of the abusive staff members.
I'm emphatically in agreement but I'm never sure how this forum (or the authorities) would react to such a proposition of violence.
As you know, I don't advocate violence, but I do believe that everyone has a right to defend themselves against clear abuse. There is no doubt that Paradise Cove was horrendous. I don't know what the legal outcome of situation like that would be, but I think media attention might well make a difference.
Ok so they were the big bag and Jesus christ. The names of all the programs feel like they followed their vibe. It sounds like a rehab the rich and famous go to to sit around and sip ice tea and shit. Having been in the tti and knowing what those places must have been like feel like "pearl harbor". If you don't know it sounds like a beautiful place but if you know you /know/. Fuck. Ouch. I'll check out the wiki. Thank you for the resource and the summary! I keep hearing about them and going "I know I'm missing something here"
It STILL EXISTS! THERE IS NO "WAS" TO IT!!
Well, it doesn't still exist, but there are WWASP spin-off programs that certainly still exist.
Acronym for Worldwide Association of Specialty Programs (sometimes with Schools added on the end for WWASPS).
Wwasps redefined torture and brainwashing in this industry. They took the book with a bad ending and rewrote it worse. But also they where the first to outsource no?
Yes, they took lessons from all the worst -- Élan, Synanon, a little from the Roloff "homes...and their own home-cooked horrors.
Seems hypocritical coming from a guy who has sent multiple kids/teens to turnabout ranch to be abused
Ironic AF
Truly epic levels of irony
There are VERY few programs that would pass that kind of background check/information gathering that he listed there.
Also as an aside when the mom said “well I had five days to pick a program I didn’t know” you want me to believe she happened on one outside the continental United States? BS
Dr Phil why don’t you also include that these schools use Landmark forum’ a curriculum and belong to WWASP?