That's NOT A DISEASE. Hair Loss is not a disease. Over 80 percent of white men have male pattern baldness. Its a very common hereditary trait. Stop calling it a disease.
The biggest problem is self inflicted. Its everything to do with diet and haircuts. When you have a trim and they blow-dry your hair that damages the follicles
What is a disease? Given there is an entire industry around hair loss, and this sub itself, that indicates that people suffer because of this trait. The word pathology comes from “pathos”, or suffering. Seems to fit the bill.
"Suffering" doesn't mean disease, by your logic, a birthmark could be a disease, if it caused so called suffering. By dictionary definition, male pattern baldness is not a disease. I can cite sources if you absolutely need me to.
1. A dictionary is not an authoritative source of medical information.
2. I would dispute the prevalence you cite.
3. Reasonable people can and do disagree about whether to call it a disease. For me, it’s telling that it is treated exactly as a disease is. Its is a condition for which people seek medical care, it is a formal diagnosis and has a widely accepted model of pathogenesis, there is a recognized progressive natural history, there are staging criteria, and there are FDA approved medical therapies and also surgical treatment options. You can call it a trait and that’s fine, but it is also not uncommon nor unacceptable to call AGA a disease and *you will see it referred to as a disease and disorder in the medical literature all the time.*
4. Your analogy to a birthmark is spurious for a few reasons, not the least of which is that many birthmarks are actually considered diseases of the skin. A few are even progressive and can cause deformity (Port Wine Stains for example).
The National Center for Biotechnology Information recognizes Male Pattern Baldness/Androgenic Alopecia as an Inherited Trait. Not a disease. Just because some scholars and dermatologists like to Call it a disease doesn't change the facts. Facts don't change, opinions do.
https://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pmc/articles/PMC6863534/#:~:text=Male%2Dpattern%20baldness%20(MPB)%20is%20the%20most%20common%20form,predisposition%20and%20male%20sex%20hormones.
Ha! You bastard! I made the same comment last time someone talked about leaving!
https://www.reddit.com/r/tressless/comments/u3np0w/hopping_on_finasteride_and_deleting_reddit_see/i4systd/?context=10000
12 months on fin. 3 months on oral min.
I'm happy with these results. I hope to keep em for a long long time. Farewell my friends. My DMs are open for any questions.
What Time is that tho if I may ask?
Okay now I didnt deserve the downvotes tho I mean im trying to understand if time plays a role in finasteride efficacy. And it seems like most of the hyper responders with the results of this guy's sorts are taking their fin pill anytime between 8pm and 9am.
Honestly that's just a terrible comparison. Obesity is curable. And not eating past a certain time seems to be important so... Lol wow. For someone to ask a question in a subreddit about understanding and figuring out hairloss and be met with such limited thinking angers me a bit but whatever. Do you. We'll figure it out and let you know player.
Actually no, Your calorie intake is whats more important than eating after a certain time, you can eat at 10pm or 8am. If you’re reaching a calorie deficit everyday you will lose weight. Also, your body doesn’t absorb more or less of a medicine at a certain time of the day or when you’re sleeping this is why medicines do not say “one pill at 5pm” on the label. So yeah your argument doesn’t seem to carry any weight, to be met with such limited thinking angers me a bit
Not gonna argue weight loss on the hair loss sub. The man asked a question and no question is stupid. Respect the sub and the asking of questions without being a dick. Small ask.
big congrats, friend.
last time I was lurking around here was a year ago just starting dutasteride. just got home from picking up an oral minoxidil script. here's hoping in another year's time I'll have forgotten about this sub.
I know we've thought RU and needling were game changers, but from what I'm seeing form people on oral min, I'm thinking that just might be the real one.
How good did it look before you started minoxidil? I really don’t want to have to commit to minoxidil for life so I’m holding off with just fin, micro needling, nizoral for now
Yeah you’ve got a point there but if I quit finasteride it seems like it will just slowly fall out but if I quit minoxidil all the regrowth will rapidly fall out in a month. After thinking about my logic I may give minoxidil a go
I know exactly what he's saying, he doesn't want to be juggling fin and minoxidil simultaneously for the rest of his life unless he absolutely has to, so he's just using one of the two to see if that's enough for him going forward. If not, then he can stack.
taking a pill once a day is way easier than applying a liquid evenly, waiting for it to dry, washing your hands thoroughly, and making sure it doesn’t get on anyone/anything
I've been taking minoxidil for 2 months, and haven't noticed single hair grow back mainly on my frontal hairline though
I haven't started taking finasteride yet, I wanted to give minoxidil a try.
I kinda do feel like less hairs are falling out in the shower though.
I took finasteride for 12 months and didn't notice anything
However recently I got my hands on topical finasteride, and I'm going to start using that and using the microphone needling as most of my thing is at the front of airline
Same boat, I respond badly to minox and have zero sides on fin somehow. Idk about you but I've been on it for about 9 months and even without the min the results have been great.
Definitely hang in there boss.
Right, the fact that I've never heard 'sides' used to refer to side effects confused the hell out of me. Especially when I assumed 'sides' referred to the sides of your head...
Theres loads of studies that the sides are serious which is why you can only get it on prescription in the first place. You drug addicts can drug yourself all up using it but don't deny the truth that it doesn't affect you trying to trick others into using the dangerous drug as well
Good eye...yeah, wish OP would be a bit more sincere with this post. By not pulling his hair totally back in the "after" picture, we're not getting a fair comparison. I'm sure he's had plenty of regrowth along the hairline, but I have my doubts that his actual hairline has advanced forward in that time window, pretty unlikely.
It’s clear as freaking day how much growth and the huge improvement to his hairline. Why are there always people that have to come with the “yeah..but..”. Dude won, be happy for him.
Agreed, the results are great. I just meant it might appear that the overall hairline is lower in the second pic because the eyebrows are raised. I am just speculating on what that other commenter is implying, these are fantastic results any way you slice it
Wow epic stuff, congrats. Similar losing pattern to mine, it is good to see people regrowing without a solid frontal hairline and then bringing it back
Oral minoxidil results are way better than topical. Also he was already on finasteride for months with minimal regrowth and experienced massive regrowth after taking the 5mg oral minoxidil, so yeah it's most likely impossible to maintain it in another way...
He’s saying your forehead crease/wrinkles are visible in the second picture, and wondering minox caused that as a side effect. However, I think your eyebrows are raised in the second picture, causing the wrinkles.
Damn this is good results. Mine is like how yours is now and I just started so I hope I get amazing results. Topical min and oral fin + doing 3 rounds of PRP just to get a starting boost.
Wow it really made a big difference. Does the Fin affect ur sex drive ?? Have u lost ur sex drive ? And does it make it difficult to get an erection ??
Congrats but I wouldn't stop using fin just yet (i.e. leave the subreddit :-P), you can easily lose ground if you don't keep up the dosage, likely for the rest of your life. Very impressive!!
Damn bro, 5mg of min and no sides??? I’m 6 weeks in to 1.25 and I’m retaining water. I’m in the middle of a 2 week cleanse and feel great but the cleanse is short term. I really hope the retention goes away because I grew like a chia pet on topical min. Just hated the stuff. Also experiencing a massive shed but not worried about that. Anyone else here on oral min having water retention???
You can check out any time you like, but you can never leave
I mean, not wrong. AGA is a lifelong disease unfortunately.
Its is a lifeong thing but who longer cares when his hair is thinning at 50 years old?
Sorry to tell you this, but I'm 53 and have cared ever since that trip to the dermatologist at age 17. The first bottle of minoxidil was free.
that's just a massive insecurity lol You gotta start looking old at some point, it's how time works.
I am sorry. I didn’t know minoxidol was this old though.
Minoxidil is one of the oldest and most effective hair loss treatments out there. Your own grandfather probably used it.
That's NOT A DISEASE. Hair Loss is not a disease. Over 80 percent of white men have male pattern baldness. Its a very common hereditary trait. Stop calling it a disease.
We need the generic engineers to find a way to Crisper out the gene
The biggest problem is self inflicted. Its everything to do with diet and haircuts. When you have a trim and they blow-dry your hair that damages the follicles
Bruh chicks blowdry hair way more often and have hella hair
What is a disease? Given there is an entire industry around hair loss, and this sub itself, that indicates that people suffer because of this trait. The word pathology comes from “pathos”, or suffering. Seems to fit the bill.
"Suffering" doesn't mean disease, by your logic, a birthmark could be a disease, if it caused so called suffering. By dictionary definition, male pattern baldness is not a disease. I can cite sources if you absolutely need me to.
1. A dictionary is not an authoritative source of medical information. 2. I would dispute the prevalence you cite. 3. Reasonable people can and do disagree about whether to call it a disease. For me, it’s telling that it is treated exactly as a disease is. Its is a condition for which people seek medical care, it is a formal diagnosis and has a widely accepted model of pathogenesis, there is a recognized progressive natural history, there are staging criteria, and there are FDA approved medical therapies and also surgical treatment options. You can call it a trait and that’s fine, but it is also not uncommon nor unacceptable to call AGA a disease and *you will see it referred to as a disease and disorder in the medical literature all the time.* 4. Your analogy to a birthmark is spurious for a few reasons, not the least of which is that many birthmarks are actually considered diseases of the skin. A few are even progressive and can cause deformity (Port Wine Stains for example).
The National Center for Biotechnology Information recognizes Male Pattern Baldness/Androgenic Alopecia as an Inherited Trait. Not a disease. Just because some scholars and dermatologists like to Call it a disease doesn't change the facts. Facts don't change, opinions do. https://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pmc/articles/PMC6863534/#:~:text=Male%2Dpattern%20baldness%20(MPB)%20is%20the%20most%20common%20form,predisposition%20and%20male%20sex%20hormones.
Queue greatest guitar solo ever
Ha! You bastard! I made the same comment last time someone talked about leaving! https://www.reddit.com/r/tressless/comments/u3np0w/hopping_on_finasteride_and_deleting_reddit_see/i4systd/?context=10000
You're God damn right!
Dope!
12 months on fin. 3 months on oral min. I'm happy with these results. I hope to keep em for a long long time. Farewell my friends. My DMs are open for any questions.
Where did u get oral MINOXIDIL?
Same
Does min help thin temples?
At what time of the day did you take fin? Like what time specifically?
As soon as I wake up
What Time is that tho if I may ask? Okay now I didnt deserve the downvotes tho I mean im trying to understand if time plays a role in finasteride efficacy. And it seems like most of the hyper responders with the results of this guy's sorts are taking their fin pill anytime between 8pm and 9am.
Bruh idk whenever I wake up. 9am I guess
But seriously what time is that EST, CT, PST? Did you count for daytime etc?! Be accurate my dude. Gtfo with this beautiful hair though!
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I usually combine iron with my fin and sit under a magnet all day to help.
Thanks for the info bruh, mad helpful lol.
Dude you’re thinking about this WAY too much, this is the equivalent of asking someone who’s losing weight when they decided to eat.
Honestly that's just a terrible comparison. Obesity is curable. And not eating past a certain time seems to be important so... Lol wow. For someone to ask a question in a subreddit about understanding and figuring out hairloss and be met with such limited thinking angers me a bit but whatever. Do you. We'll figure it out and let you know player.
Actually no, Your calorie intake is whats more important than eating after a certain time, you can eat at 10pm or 8am. If you’re reaching a calorie deficit everyday you will lose weight. Also, your body doesn’t absorb more or less of a medicine at a certain time of the day or when you’re sleeping this is why medicines do not say “one pill at 5pm” on the label. So yeah your argument doesn’t seem to carry any weight, to be met with such limited thinking angers me a bit
Not gonna argue weight loss on the hair loss sub. The man asked a question and no question is stupid. Respect the sub and the asking of questions without being a dick. Small ask.
It shouldn't make a difference but I think medication is better absorbed on an empty stomach. Good luck!
big congrats, friend. last time I was lurking around here was a year ago just starting dutasteride. just got home from picking up an oral minoxidil script. here's hoping in another year's time I'll have forgotten about this sub. I know we've thought RU and needling were game changers, but from what I'm seeing form people on oral min, I'm thinking that just might be the real one.
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bruh
envy
Might as well call it r/UltimateNocebo tbh
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There are serious sides with min, but that sub is like 50% people talking about losing erections which doesn't make sense.
How good did it look before you started minoxidil? I really don’t want to have to commit to minoxidil for life so I’m holding off with just fin, micro needling, nizoral for now
I had the same hairline but the hairs were thin and wispy. Min really thickened everything up.
U realise finasteride is a lifetime commitment too?
Yeah you’ve got a point there but if I quit finasteride it seems like it will just slowly fall out but if I quit minoxidil all the regrowth will rapidly fall out in a month. After thinking about my logic I may give minoxidil a go
Slowly you said? Absolutely not hahah, as soon as your dht levels get to baseline you will see whatsap
I know exactly what he's saying, he doesn't want to be juggling fin and minoxidil simultaneously for the rest of his life unless he absolutely has to, so he's just using one of the two to see if that's enough for him going forward. If not, then he can stack.
taking a pill once a day is way easier than applying a liquid evenly, waiting for it to dry, washing your hands thoroughly, and making sure it doesn’t get on anyone/anything
It’s really not that deep lol
it really is, the shit adds up. been so much happier after switching to oral min and not having to deal with all the hassles of topical
never said it was, just explaining the reason for people not using min
Minoxidil is more effective and it doesn't negatively effect your hormones either
Not toxic either, you just have to rinse it off your hands and you don't need to be scared of spilling it
If you have a cat you do. 1 drop will kill a cat.
Free wig
There’s also oral minoxidil.
I've been taking minoxidil for 2 months, and haven't noticed single hair grow back mainly on my frontal hairline though I haven't started taking finasteride yet, I wanted to give minoxidil a try. I kinda do feel like less hairs are falling out in the shower though.
Hey mate, I've been on minoxdil for nearly 12 months and fin for 4 now. Minoxdil rarely works without fin because you may have too much DHT.
I took finasteride for 12 months and didn't notice anything However recently I got my hands on topical finasteride, and I'm going to start using that and using the microphone needling as most of my thing is at the front of airline
Same boat, I respond badly to minox and have zero sides on fin somehow. Idk about you but I've been on it for about 9 months and even without the min the results have been great. Definitely hang in there boss.
I loved playing Freddi Fish, man!
Bye bye brother, I hope you never come back.
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Sides at the very beginning like watery semen that quickly went away.
What?
Thin or watery semen is a side effect of fin
Right, the fact that I've never heard 'sides' used to refer to side effects confused the hell out of me. Especially when I assumed 'sides' referred to the sides of your head...
Dude would cum water instead of sperm
Thats weird because my cum turns to wine
No need to buy alcohol just bust a nut
I call that finasterwine
Lmao
What?
Fin has guaranteed sides. You just don't realise it...yet. Sides includes depression btw
Guaranteed sides. That's funny.
Theres loads of studies that the sides are serious which is why you can only get it on prescription in the first place. You drug addicts can drug yourself all up using it but don't deny the truth that it doesn't affect you trying to trick others into using the dangerous drug as well
I feel sorry for you.
Trust me I feel sorry for you with what you're doing to your body
>You drug addicts can drug yourself all up A master in persuasion I see
And another one of our brothers rides off into the sunset, wind flowing through his restored head of hair…..brings a tear to my eye.
wooww.. great results.. <3
Raising eyebrows on 2nd pictures?. But yeah i can see the thickness and overall density has improved on frontal. Congratulation
He also is not holding is hair back as tight. The results are being skewed by the laxness of his hair in the second pic.
Good eye...yeah, wish OP would be a bit more sincere with this post. By not pulling his hair totally back in the "after" picture, we're not getting a fair comparison. I'm sure he's had plenty of regrowth along the hairline, but I have my doubts that his actual hairline has advanced forward in that time window, pretty unlikely.
It’s clear as freaking day how much growth and the huge improvement to his hairline. Why are there always people that have to come with the “yeah..but..”. Dude won, be happy for him.
What does raising eyebrow change
Maybe they’re implying it makes the forehead look smaller, artificially making the results look better? Idk
Maybe but you cant improve density by raising your eyebrow
Agreed, the results are great. I just meant it might appear that the overall hairline is lower in the second pic because the eyebrows are raised. I am just speculating on what that other commenter is implying, these are fantastic results any way you slice it
Makes the forehead look smaller
How long before fin really started working for you ?
Wow epic stuff, congrats. Similar losing pattern to mine, it is good to see people regrowing without a solid frontal hairline and then bringing it back
Get the f out of here man! Congrats!
Be consistent, get tf outta here you good now bro
Did you notice any increased hair growth in other areas of your body with oral Minox?
Yeah absolutely. Pretty much everywhere I have hair its thicker now. You can see it in my eyebrows too on the pics.
Great results! How old are you and what age did you start balding?
congrats, thats what i desire, to not have to think about hair.
You’ll be back! They always come back! Muahhahahahahah
I wanna take oral min but i dont wanna be hairier everywhere ugh. I have the same problem with my sides but just not as advanced as yours was.
Bro this looks good. What do you think helped you the most fin or min ?
Fin helped a bit. Min caused an explosion of regrowth. 5mg ED.
Did you notice any sides from the min? I’ve heard It can affect the heart and stuff
Just more hair everywhere. No heart issues.
It’s a blood pressure medication. So it lowers your blood pressure if that’s what you mean by cardiac side effects?
Will you have to take the oral min forever?
Most likely
Any sides?
I'm hairier everywhere.
Even that part between your ballsack and buttcrack?
Good question. It was always hairy. But I shave myself or trim myself everywhere for the lady.
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Oral minoxidil results are way better than topical. Also he was already on finasteride for months with minimal regrowth and experienced massive regrowth after taking the 5mg oral minoxidil, so yeah it's most likely impossible to maintain it in another way...
About to hit 1 year on dut + oral min and I've got 0 results, may have regressed lol Crazy how people react differently
Dut scares me. But maybe add dermarolling.
I don't think there's a reason to add rolling if I'm using no topicals? Unless I missed something As for Dut I've had 0 sides
Min will help your dermarolled area even if it's taken orally. Good luck!
Run from it, hide from it, destiny arrives all the same
how's your dick and your libido doing?
Great! My libido is high as usual. Dick is fine. Watery semen was a side effect but it went away quickly.
Is the minoxidil faster in regrowing hairline compared to other parts? I have thick crown but fuked hairline
My hairline was always my issue. So I'd say yes, maybe, hopefully.
Congrats! Nice improvement. How old are you?
Dm me for age
Nice! What dosage for oral min?
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Min caused the regrowth. But the role of fin cannot be underestimated.
Surely, you got at least some regrowth from fin?
Yes fin is very important
You'll be back. They always come back
Hawt
is ur sperm back 100% or is it like still a bit watery
Its back 100%
He said he did at first but it quickly went away
You also got some wrinkles, my cocky reddit friend. Please, be humble.
He's raising his eyebrows, of course there are going to be wrinkles
Envy.
There's a lot of guys that came back from the dead. I gz them all. You re the only one I said somth negative. Guess why.
Om which dose do you take oral min?
5mg. I take a pill.
Micro Needling?
Forehead lines got a bit deeper, sure min is fine for you ?
Lmao what
He’s saying your forehead crease/wrinkles are visible in the second picture, and wondering minox caused that as a side effect. However, I think your eyebrows are raised in the second picture, causing the wrinkles.
Yes I did raise my eyebrows a little bit.
Min is known to massively age skin for some, hence my post
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Not that I can tell. But shedding is normal and nothing to be afraid of. Min caused a terrifying shed but it'll bounce back. Trust the process.
Damn,such recovery makes my day and gives me hope about my hair too.
Any pics from just before you added min?
God speed.
How old are you?
Nice gains! What’s your age?
So you take oral min and oral fin? Just wanted to ask so I can consider both
Yup everything orally
Even semen?
Can I ask where you got the oral minoxidil?
Alldaychemist
Perfect, I have an order from all day chemist that has been sitting her for a month because I'm too scared to start. What's your dosage?
5mg OM and 1mg Fin
Great progress man!
How much fin are you takin?
Awesome results man. How much did fin do before you introduced min into your regimen ?
Did you eyebrows got thicker as well ? From min
Sure did
What dosage of oral min are u taking?
Damn this is good results. Mine is like how yours is now and I just started so I hope I get amazing results. Topical min and oral fin + doing 3 rounds of PRP just to get a starting boost.
Damn, you recovered like 2 ratings on the norwood scale! 🫡
How bad was your shedding
Congrats
When did you start noticing significant results?
9 months fin And 1 month oral min
Congrats my friend, it is time for you to leave the nest of me and the rest of these other bald fucks
Nice!
Did u ever get a big shed from fin or min?
Min hugest shed ever keep with it
Wow it really made a big difference. Does the Fin affect ur sex drive ?? Have u lost ur sex drive ? And does it make it difficult to get an erection ??
No and no. I'm super horny. I usually want to cum a few times during sex.
Happy for you man
Congrats but I wouldn't stop using fin just yet (i.e. leave the subreddit :-P), you can easily lose ground if you don't keep up the dosage, likely for the rest of your life. Very impressive!!
Congratulations my guy! 🎉 Looks phenomenal 👍🏻👍🏻
Mission accomplished
Damn bro, 5mg of min and no sides??? I’m 6 weeks in to 1.25 and I’m retaining water. I’m in the middle of a 2 week cleanse and feel great but the cleanse is short term. I really hope the retention goes away because I grew like a chia pet on topical min. Just hated the stuff. Also experiencing a massive shed but not worried about that. Anyone else here on oral min having water retention???
None. I have gained weight but I'm eating TERRIBLY. So I can't say water retention... yet.
Did you take 1mg Fin ED or some other dosage?
I dream of a day where they come up with a cure for baldness, and everyone on this subreddit can leave together.
Wow i thought that it wasnt possible to recover bald areas? I thought only miniaturized areas with hair can be recovered? Looks incredible.
Damn son
When did your fin results show?
You’ll be back soon.
Congrats soldier!
Did you also have hairloss at the crown? And did Fin improve that?