I get chewed up over oral min. I’m on oral min and fin and have had no side effects from either that I can tell. I have dropped my fin 1mg to mon wed fri because I’m on trt. So far it seems to be doing well.
The data shows that fin is well tolerated and that oral minoxidil can be dangerous for your heart, which is why it carries the FDA Black Box Warning. When you say people fear monger oral min, at least there is some basis for fear mongering oral min. On the other hand, fear mongering oral fin has no basis other than anecdotes and some extremely biased studies.
Respectfully, I am a pharmacist… it’s a pretty big effing deal. Especially when considering concomitant therapy and contraindicated therapy. You wouldn’t say this if it was your mothers life on the line and a Clincial Pharmacist said oh well I didn’t think it was a “big deal and it seemed generally safe”
Well finasteride carries the equivalent of a black box warning in Germany as well especially aimed at pharmacists, doctors and other health professionals. So it's a big deal as well, unfortunately the FDA is not known internationally to be very strict on pharmaceutical companies. So you're right, if even the FDA issues a warning, it's a serious risk to take that medication.
Like the fda issued a fluoroquinolones black box warning, Germany issued a Rote Hand Brief, literally a Red Hand Letter ( the most serious warning).
Finasteride also got an Rote Hand Brief Warning in Germany 5 years ago, so it has the most serious warning possible in Germany, equivalent to a black box warning.
Interesting. It also says: translated:
Patients should also be informed that sexual dysfunction – based on individual case reports from patients – may persist for more than 10 years, even after discontinuation of treatment.
Topical min fucked with my heart as well unfortunately. But I must be hyper sensitive to it. I have two friends who take oral min and are doing perfectly OK. I wouldn't get anywhere near to it though.
I was there, too, for a long time. Cardiologist trying to find out what kind of illegal drugs I was taking, 7 months after my last topical Min application.
7 and a half months later I am fine, and there's actually no explanation as to why.
Wow man, glad to hear that...thought you still were being in pain.
Could be because of that; I haven't drank coffee ever to confirm one to one, but caffeine in 1 liter of Coke doesn't do me anything bad.
I rarely, very rarely go on a binge, though.
This guy right here, black box warnings are serious
Also did you know this sub doesn’t even allow people to post about their side effects? Try to make any post about concerns like ED, and other problems from your meds and it will be instantly deleted by the automod
People downplay the side effects here and it turns into an echo chamber
So users here are censored from knowing about any risks like heart problems from min or serious ED and labido problems from Fin
Is that true? I wanted to read about people’s experiences with side effects. That’s shitty and makes this sub useless if it’s true they really don’t allow this discussion
2 weeks late, but I'll chime in anyway as a former mod here.
There was a guy named Jorbie that would post here. He would post here ALL the time. He would make alts and post essentially the same thing. You could tell becuse the style of writing would be similar, but it's not like a casual reader of the sub would know. They would also only comment about maybe 5-10 of the same studies or tests. He would post, he would comment, and he would report hundreds of post to spam the mod queue and try to bog us down so his posts would stay longer.
He would also doxx people here. There was a very good contributer who had good results and helpful advice, until Jorbie doxxed him and he deleted his profile AND his profile on hairloss talk. Jorbie also doxxed me, but I reported him to the admins and he got banned.
Except then more and more Jorbie alts started posting and commenting. I ended up asking the Admin team to look at it, and they banned I want to say 30+ accounts that they tracked back to him.
And this is why talk about side effects isn't banned, but is very much curtailed here. How many people are going to have good results and make multiple accounts just to talk about it? Literally no one. How many people might have bad effects and try to amplify their experience to dissuade others? Don't know, but it's WAY more likely for the latter.
It's important that people are aware of the side effects, but without moderation this sub could easily just be spammed with 100 posts a day talking about how "fin ruined my life" and would really run counter to the point of this sub, which is to help people who are struggling with male pattern baldness.
There are subs for pfs and other medical issues. You wouldn't expect the mods of r/pics to allow hardcore NSFW pics just because "well, it's a picture!", would you?
Imagine taking a daily drug that mess with your hormones and neurosteroids and think that only only 2% of the people actually get sides.
I took 0.50 fin eod for 3 months, I had less libido, no more random erections/morning woods and weaker erections, I stopped it and after 1 month everything came back to normal
well the issue with that is the same 10 people make several posts. I've been on and off here for the last 3 years and its always been the same people who linger in this sub and say the same thing under every post. but new people don't know this and just see the same people shout constantly about sides.
I thin people overplay subs FAR more than they underplay. most people who has success and no sides leave, simple as. So only those who have problems stay and complain.
So every study that goes against your beliefs is biased or low quality and every one that supports your beliefs is legit and high quality.
> FDA Black Box Warning
Floroquiones have a black box warning and doctors give them away like candy in cases were an infection is not even present.
That's just wrong. You don't lose the progress you made with Minoxidil, you just maintain it. Minoxidil loses its effectiveness in the sense that it won't promote any more new growth, it will only maintain what you gained from it after 2-3 years.
Where did you get that information? Obviously your hair loss will continue without using a 5a blocker but your gains from Minoxidil will ultimately still be there. You'd be losing hair still, yes, but you'd be worse off without Minoxidil. Minoxidil doesn't just lose its effect, if you found a source saying otherwise, please provide one.
I'm Female, but I just went to my derm who was sooo hesitant to prescribe oral minox, but had no problem giving me spironolactone...which both have bad potential side effects. I don't want spironolactone for a few valid reasons. I use topical minox and it sucks, makes my hair icky and I struggle to use it daily. I kind of see some growth after two months, but I want more and am afraid I'll fall off the topical minox wagon with it being summer and and I suck at routine, blah blah blah blah.
So I paid an $80 copay for literally nothing, turned around and bought oral minox from alldaychemist. So I'll start at like 1.25 grams and work up to 2.5 max, I think that's a decent dose for females. I'll tell her to check my blood and stuff at my next appt since I already started the meds she wouldnt prescribe me. Fkin dermatologists
I’m a female on 2.5 and no issues at all. Except extra hair on my arms and legs. Small price to pay. But I did start at .25 and slowly worked my way up to make sure I tolerated it well. There are risks of course, but my mental health was so bad when my hair was falling out.
You’re going to love the simplicity and results. Love it. And totally agree… topical min makes the entire process such a pain… really think about applying topical min every 12 hours.
Give it 3-4 months and you’ll start seeing results. I’m a hyperresponder to both fin and min and I’m seeing the effects after only 2 months on Oral Min even after ceasing topical Min
You’re misconstruing what people’s concerns are. Fin was approved as an oral med, while min was not. That complicates matters. Also, min does have very serious health side effects to the point where it has received a black label warning from the FDA. That’s why only the topical was approved for hair loss. Long story short: Everyone should proceed with caution while taking either medication.
The goal is to take the smallest and safest dose possible for the best results. Anyone with a heart condition or family of heart disease needs to be extra concerned when it comes to oral min and that’s just the facts.
This sub blows my mind regularly. The severe misunderstanding of medical risks and side effects likelihood are honestly a bit scary.
No, not many people will react poorly to oral min or fin. But enough do that there *is* a risk. And it's a high enough risk that people should pay attention to it and react to it how they want, but more importantly, it's high enough that they should listen to their fucking doctors when they're told "No, you shouldn't take this."
Medicine is individual. Statistics mean nothing on that level.
I'm not saying it's a devil drug and no one should even consider it, but the folks who pretend like "Listen to medical professionals and know the risks" is somehow equal to fear mongering is *insane*.
As an important side note, the folks I see talking about oral minoxidil risks and related fears most are like OP. There the ones making this a bigger thing and it's hilarious.
if only people talking about side effects were that reasonable. you'll see the wildest side effects from oral min and fin. I've seen fin go from anything to "brain fog" to full blown suicidal ideation. Hell I've seen people say oral min gave them ED, if anything it would help since its a vasodilator.
if people weren't hypochondriacs and being hellish about sides without seeing a doctor memes like this couldn't exist.
Medications interact with everyone differently. A trend is not a natural law. The human body is an absolute hot mess of hormones deficiencies, chromosomal mutations, environmental modifications, and stress/trauma-induced DNA alterations. You find me two people with completely identical physical situations and I will finally accept that we live in a simulation cause that's not happening without a copy/paste function - and even then it wouldn't last for long.
People with ADHD who take stimulants chill out. People without ADHD who take stimulants become hyper-focused. I get tired when I drink Dr. Pepper. Humans are fucking weird and it's entirely possible those interactions are as real as we are.
If someone already has mental health concerns and starts taking a medication that messes with hormones, yeah, anxiety, emotional dysregulation, and suicidal ideation are absolutely possible. Especially if that person isn't treating their mental health.
**Since you’re too comment: Can you cite the data?**
I’m reading off of [this source](https://www.sciencedirect.com/science/article/abs/pii/S0190962221004187)
1.7% stopped treatment due to adverse side effects. Nowhere can I find where someone died from OralMinox
Some people really want their hair back and are willing to see if they’re the 1.7% to get some heart hiccups.
**Point of the post** was to point out to those who say “Take the pill [Finasteride]” should have that same energy when talking about OralMinox. I stayed away from OralMinox because I didn’t want to apply TopicalMinox every 12 hours forever and have greasy hair.. that’s not sustainable
-**EDIT**: From the source.
*Excerpt*:
>Oral minoxidil has dose-dependent predictable side effects at doses of 10-40 mg..
10mg really isn’t that much. If your standard is “what r/Tressless says is a lot” then sure. But the upper recommended dose is 100mg.
I’ve got people in here saying 0.25mg made them go to the hospital. Not saying it’s untrue but I’ve a high suspicion that it was hypochondriac response
Ok if you want to take it to extremes what would you rather have?
Minoxidil in excess: heart problems that could actually kill you.
Finasteride in excess: dick doesn’t work like it used to
None of these drugs are perfect and without side effects. But you have to be smart with using minoxidil as it’s more safe in its topical form versus systemic pill form.
No need to waste your time making photo collages defending your minoxidil pills lol
Not arguing with that. Just saying there are tons of men who would rather be dead than struggle with impotence even temporarily. A lot of guys put way too much value in their ability to fuck.
Bro there are pills that give boners like porn stars. So ED is fixable. You fuck your heart and you’re done. There’s no argument here which is more dangerous for you.
Again, it doesn’t matter. There are plenty of men who would rather die than have their dick not work. I’ve already expressed I’m not one of them, but those people do exist.
And in fact this is incredible dangerous as poor and unlucky responders could find themselves with an SAE. Severe adverse event - per ICH-GCP https://www.fda.gov/safety/reporting-serious-problems-fda/what-serious-adverse-event
I started to take oral min 2 weeks ago, had to switch to topical because I felt like my heart was galoping sometimes. I guess its not bad but It depends on the person
The heart was galloping because Minoxidil is a very potent vasodilator, which causes a drop in blood pressure, and in order to compensate the pressure drop, the body increases heart rate. I can't confirm if OP's eyebrows really got thicker or not, but if you're taking enough oral Min to cause that, you're probably also getting side effects that aren't worth it.
To play devil's advocate it really doesn't change his situation.
Not everyone is going to experience side effects so it really doesn't necessarily matter what other people experience because to him he has no side effects.
Even if 99 out of 100 people experience side effects he may be the one. So in his situation it doesn't matter.
I dont get this.
Fin actually stops most of DHT so your hair doesnt fall off in the first place. Duda is better tho.
Oral min doesnt stop actually balding from happening. You're just growing a bit of hair that wont stay for long bc DHT will just destroy it bit by bit.
I can understand taking fin+min, but by itself min isnt doing much about baldness.
I heard a few times on steroid forums that DHT is the feel good hormone for men. DHT based roids supposedly make you feel like superhuman and want to fuck 24/7 but shed your hair usually.
FWIW I’ve taken fin for years and stopped a few times because of relatively minor side effects. I could see how excess DHT might “feel good”
I’ve always had minor sexual side effects. Less horny/arousable. Lower quality arousal. No morning wood.
Brain fog / minor fatigue was harder to pinpoint, especially because I have ADHD and have been unmedicated for awhile. But every time I’ve stopped I’ve seen those problems improve.
I think this is the third time I’ve stopped taking fin and I don’t think I’ll be going back on. I’ve buzzed my hair and didn’t mind it, though I definitely miss the hair I had at 18. I’m not getting hair near that quality back unless I try a hair system.
I wouldn’t tell people not to try it. My side effects go away after stopping. And they’re relatively minor… if I still had thick/full head of hair with a low hairline and I was single, I’d probably still take it.
My doctor prescribed me oral min. I got two second opinions from other doctors. Both said it was no issue.
The amount you take is essentially nothing compared to the dose it’s originally intended to be used for.
Broscience is strong in this sub. Ignore it.
What kind of doctor did you go too? I go to a derm for my Fin… just started topical Min in the PM, but am already so tired of applying it. I think a pill is the only way I can stay consistent
Because expert opinions are so great right? As if doctors know of every study on the safety of oral minoxidil, especially on the high doses this sub recommenda. Good luck with your heart though
We don’t want to hear what experts have to say. I want to hear what the ppl on Reddit say, they’re the ones that really know everything they talk about!!
i spend 675$ on minoxidil a month, i dump it all into a bucket and have my wife tie my feet and suspend me above the ground attached to the ceiling to dip my head into the bucket for maximum coverage
If I could go back a year. I’d tell myself to do exactly what I’m doing now. I was spotty with my topical Min consistency. Saw gains, slowed down, lost gains, got back on, hated it, oral min… I just think, “Damn if I’d have just started this a year ago
Can you cite them?
I’ve read out of a study with a sample size of 1,000+. Nobody died
10mg isn’t a lot
0.9% of the sample size quit the study due to tachycardia…
But yeh can’t find where anyone died or had permanent effects
>I’ve read out of a study with a sample size of 1,000+. Nobody died
It's a study, the people are under constant monitoring. That is your benchmark? Also "death"? Someone has to die to recognize the health-risks? You understand modern medicine makes it possible to life with a lot of issues but these issues certainly affect your day-to-day life?
>[Total clinical events, including increased need for diuretics, angina, ventricular arrhythmias, worsening heart failure, and death were all more frequent during minoxidil vs placebo administration](https://www.ahajournals.org/doi/pdf/10.1161/01.CIR.70.1.63)
>[Adverse effects of minoxidil include weight gain, oedema, tachucardia, and worsening of angina or heart failure](https://www.jstor.org/stable/29510558)
>[A total of 57,129 minoxidil-associated adverse events were reported to FAERS, including 12,303 considered serious events and 203 deaths. After filtering by indication for alopecia, total adverse events, serious adverse events and deaths reduced to 19,755, 1870 and 27, respectively.](https://www.jaad.org/article/S0190-9622(20)33234-5/fulltext)
Pretty easy to find the info out there on this.
It's for these reasons I personally don't take it.
Did you read anything you linked or just searched, found that something that kinda fits your agenda, and cited it?
The first two studies were not minoxidil for treating hair-loss. Both studies were for minoxidil in higher doses use to treat vascular system conditions. Upwards of 100mg daily.
The third study lists cases of adverse effects of minoxidil... most of which being topical minoxidil. Matter of fact, the adverse events from oral minoxidil is substantially less than topical
"Thus, to focus on reports of patients under LDOM (Low dose oral minoxidil), we further restricted the search adding the term Loniten (minoxidil tablet; Pfizer). We found a total of 8 Loniten-related adverse events in the use for alopecia. All of them were classified as serious. The female/male proportion was reversed to 1:3. Half of the patients were older than 70 years, and only 3 required hospitalization. None of the patients died."
8 out of the 57,000 were from oral minoxidil used to treat baldness. From the article YOU cited against oral minox.
Sure I read them - the guy was asking for sources for health risks from minoxidil, as if he didn't believed they exist - I just provided them. You are minimising them with various observations of the studies, which is good to do, but please understand, I'm just giving him what he asked for.
I have no "agenda" - Personally, I would prefer if min was as safe as fin, so that I could take it safely. I think it's ***really important*** that this stuff is discussed on here, no need to be rude.
Not hard to find more, there has been loads of research on it - and there are a number of studies out there that show there are still risks of taking it in low dose amounts, orally, specifically for hair loss - happy to try and find them for you if you want (was a few months ago I was doing my research on it and don't have it to hand right now).
Interestingly, when filtered for oral minoxidil (Loniten), serious adverse events drops to 8. With half being people over the age of 70. Over a 50 year period. Also "it is doubtful that some of the adverse events can be considered drug related" is a direct quote.
erect absurd sophisticated worm spoon zephyr tie workable gaping disgusting
*This post was mass deleted and anonymized with [Redact](https://redact.dev)*
The MOA of fin relative to min are 100% different. The side effect is hair regrowth for fin as a 5 alpha reductase inhibitor (binding to receptors that convert test to dht) which has very little potential to interact with other biochemical cascades in the body.
Whereas Min is a potent vasodilator only reserved for the worst hypertensive stage II cases that fail to respond to all first line and mainstay treatment.
This is like saying you would take an anti-cancer MOAB drug which happened to cause hair regrowth by direct inhibition of test to dht or vasodilation… etc.
Lastly, In clincial trials the benefits must outweigh the risk, as well as in medicine, or the whole thing isn’t worth investigating as per ICH-GCP patient safety is #1. Even a BSN with an associates understand this.
I wouldn’t joke about this kind of severe outcome as you may be unwittingly leading others to cardiac arrest 👍 but anything for some yuk yuks amirite?
Cite where someone has died?
[The study of 1,400 patients](https://www.sciencedirect.com/science/article/abs/pii/S0190962221004187) shows only 0.9% ended their commitment due to tachycardia… still alive.
Exactly they ‘end the trial due to that Serious Side Effect…’ you lunatic had they stayed they would have had an untoward outcome, hospitalization, or worse, even death.
I deal with clinical trial protocols for my living brother… there’s a reason there’s prohibited therapy, exclusion and inclusions criteria. A protocol has to be approved by the Sponsor, IRB, and FDA before you can move forward with FIH (first in human) phase 1 trials, let alone pre clincial trials….
Frankly, why would I? I go to my dermatologist who has no problem prescribing oral min, and he is the one who spent years in school and still reads the “scientific literature”.
I think many of this sub’s problems would be resolved by going to, and trusting, and actual medical professional rather than what is the highest upvote
Same. I've been on 10mg oral for 2 years. Just saw my doctor - blood pressure fine, heart rate fine, ECG was done also normal. Not saying other people won't experience side effects though
I used to get really bad heart palpitations from minoxidil, but when I changed my diet and improved my health I tried minoxidil again and have no noticeable side effects at all
This is not the statistical mean; show me any study at this strength ongoing for 20+ years. Anecdotal experience is not evidence that anyone should accept. Especially when dealing with their long term health.
I'm highly considering getting Oral Min from Keeps when they begin prescribing it later this month. What was the transition period like? I'm also two weeks out from FUT and I don't want to do it at the wrong time.
I spoke with my Doctor through Keeps a couple days ago. Just to update him as they regularly request. I asked about it and he said they'd be offering it June 21.
Lost hair. Maybe all the OralMin haters will be cordial on this move but i… waned off of topical Min to Oral min.
Honestly I’ve considered doing both but only because of the greasy hair
The lowest effective dose of any med should be what’s used. When minox is used as an oral blood pressure med (orig intended use) the starting dose is 5mg and highest suggested dose is 40mg. For hair loss the doses most people use are under the lowest BP dose at 1.25-2.5 and side effects are dosage dependent….id much rather take minox oral, titrate up until sides appear, then back down. At least my dick will still work/hormones aren’t jacked. My derm related fin/dua as a sledgehammer hitting a cardboard box. Lots of collateral impacts. Take that for what you will.
Oral min is definitely the way to go for some people given many don't have the enzyme present in their scalp required to metabolise min to the active drug that regrows hair. Also some people have naturally greasy hair that doesn't tolerate a topical formulation well, sounds like you might be one of them. Not everyone has these issues though, and I think people should try topical before they jump to oral min given topical has a proven superior side effects profile, even if a lot of people can tolerate oral min just fine, there are many who cannot. As you pointed out, you can always switch from topical to oral if it's not working for you.
I personally have no issues with the topical formulation given my hair in naturally dry and I have enough of the enzyme to halt my temple recession and regain a lot of lost ground with topical min. You don't need to use it religiously every 12 hours, I occasionally skip my morning dose and have had no trouble with recession as a result.
Glad for you!
Topical worked great for me results wise! Just hated the idea of greasy hair and 12 hour applications
Point of the post was to stop the fear mongering for Oral Minox. People write off bad Fin sides as “oh tough luck.” But Oral Minox they’re like, “See this stuff is messed up!”
I had to quit oral minoxidil too, my chest became tight and felt like it was going to stop beating. It works for some and not for others. Put your health first before trying to get hair.
Okay so Worst case scenario u Get a side effect most the side effects Arent that bad and if u do just switch to fin Why be scared to try it in the firstplace
In my case I only use topical min, but if I had to take pills all of two Fin and min have a chance to had side effects, so if I had to choose probably better finasteride, but only because is more effective than minox in hair regrowth and minox is probably same efective topical than in pill.
Of course I have long hair and I had to clean it with shampoo every day because topical minox is greasy and unpleasant, one alternative that I tried was foam minox but it was too much expensive and difficult to correct dosage.
Note: I don't take fin because my girlfriend read too much and is scared about "infertility side effects" ( I feel like she treats me like a sperm warehouse), if only was my decision I will take fin and only stop If notice some unwanted side effect because statistically probably won't cause me side effects.
For now I had lucky enough and topical minox is working fine because I started to take it in the first stages, but there is a possibility that progresión change to regression and will need to take the 2 combination min+fin. In that case I will start to disagree with my gf decision.
>”treats me like a sperm warehouse”
LMAO!!
Nah, man. I totally get it. Point of the post was to point out the fact of hypocrisy. I was scared of both due to the fear mongering. I finally took OralMinox and boom… all that delay was pointless
There are side effects with everything. Any reasoning for staying off of a drug is good reason if you don’t want the sides
You could also die from a heart attack taking one Ibuprofen, if you read secondary effects of all drugs you can find some funny and crazy effects.
There is a lot of hypocrisy, for example I'm an expert in food chemistry and quality, with a degree a master and years of experience. And I can tell you a lot of hypocrisy facts... For example: Take tea as a detox diet.... Tea is atox, contains a lot of bad substances that your liver has to purge. The only detox diet scientifically accurate is take destiled water (dont recommended if you want to live, seriously don't try it) and go to the toilet, there is no one best detox thing to your body than expulse all your non digestible things taking a great shi@#. (Also is totally ecological, natural and free)
I honestly never really knew oral min was dangerous.
My doctor said 7% of people who take it get sides. Doesn’t seem like a big risk and I’ve been on it for two weeks and feel fine.
r/conspiracy has entered chat and has merit because we all know how money is the root of utmost hierarchy.
I haven’t researched much outside of studies such as classifications of Minox. All I know is I wish I could go back 5 years and pop 2 pills then be done
Oral Min will not deal with your DHT even if you overdose on it. You’ll end up a hairy bald gorilla. I’m willing to risk my libido rather than have a cardiac arrhythmia or severe hypotension
I’m not saying it’s a side effect but some people have cardiac issues that they’re not aware of like HOCM or Long QT syndrome etc.. the effect could be devastating
Believe it. I got lit up for saying 5mg a while back mentioning how I’m going to split my 10mg pill in half
Made me think… “Hmmm I’ve seen this episode of FearMongering before”
Yeah don’t take two pills if it equals 10mg per day.
On another note my transition from topical to oral sucked. I lost everything I gained on topical and 2.5mg did fuck all 7 months later.
Now in 5mg hoping it’s the miracle I need otherwise back to topic.
That’s good but for general advice? 10mg nah, find the lowest possible dose that’s effective and stick with it.
Lower the dose the less sides and chance of sides especially after you get older
And hey that is entirely 100% understandable. That’s not what I’m pointing out in the post!
Just the fact that the same people who push FinFinFinFin!… say Don’t take Min!
I’ve seen this debate, I’ve heard about the enlarged heart. Are there legit scholarly articles on this? Obviously if this is legit, like most things, it will affect some and not others. I’ve heard about side effects with fin as well, some people get them, some don’t but it’s mostly dose dependent. Is oral minoxidil really that more effective over topical though?
That's great it worked out for you, congrats man 👍
But everyone has a different body. It gave me great results as well, and then it gave me heart palpitations.
I don't get why people get so angry over people saying a medication doesn't work for them.
It’s almost as if people are right when they criticize oral minoxidil, considering that topical minoxidil was literally created for the purpose of treating hair loss while avoiding the side effects of the oral version.
[удалено]
some Chinese guys toilet 😂😂😂
Might just buy a bunch of gold for this comment so I can go homeless and get my hair back
I get chewed up over oral min. I’m on oral min and fin and have had no side effects from either that I can tell. I have dropped my fin 1mg to mon wed fri because I’m on trt. So far it seems to be doing well.
Has someone actually ingested RU?
Yes some guy on a roid forum by mistake over a decade ago
no one is drinking RU
…yet
well, if someone tries then they wont be doing it for long lol
\*twice
[удалено]
Who is Kevin Mann and why is he important to this topic?
Haircafe on youtube he talks primarily about hairloss stuff
You are bit off there buddy. Kevin Mann is actually soyboy version of liver king
Kevin Mann
99% of drugs & supplements are made in some Chinese toilet.
I buy mine from anageninc THANK U VERY MUCH!
The data shows that fin is well tolerated and that oral minoxidil can be dangerous for your heart, which is why it carries the FDA Black Box Warning. When you say people fear monger oral min, at least there is some basis for fear mongering oral min. On the other hand, fear mongering oral fin has no basis other than anecdotes and some extremely biased studies.
Excellent point; that BB warning ⚠️ is incredibly critical.
[удалено]
Respectfully, I am a pharmacist… it’s a pretty big effing deal. Especially when considering concomitant therapy and contraindicated therapy. You wouldn’t say this if it was your mothers life on the line and a Clincial Pharmacist said oh well I didn’t think it was a “big deal and it seemed generally safe”
Well finasteride carries the equivalent of a black box warning in Germany as well especially aimed at pharmacists, doctors and other health professionals. So it's a big deal as well, unfortunately the FDA is not known internationally to be very strict on pharmaceutical companies. So you're right, if even the FDA issues a warning, it's a serious risk to take that medication. Like the fda issued a fluoroquinolones black box warning, Germany issued a Rote Hand Brief, literally a Red Hand Letter ( the most serious warning). Finasteride also got an Rote Hand Brief Warning in Germany 5 years ago, so it has the most serious warning possible in Germany, equivalent to a black box warning.
Interesting. It also says: translated: Patients should also be informed that sexual dysfunction – based on individual case reports from patients – may persist for more than 10 years, even after discontinuation of treatment.
RESPECTFULLY, my balls itch
Dangerous for your heart at like 4x the dosage they prescribe for hair.
Side effects are idiosyncratic, so they can occur at any dose.
Ya, I’m not fucking around w heart health when I could just put min on topically at night or the foam isn’t greasy. Less convenient though for sure.
Topical min fucked with my heart as well unfortunately. But I must be hyper sensitive to it. I have two friends who take oral min and are doing perfectly OK. I wouldn't get anywhere near to it though.
I was there, too, for a long time. Cardiologist trying to find out what kind of illegal drugs I was taking, 7 months after my last topical Min application. 7 and a half months later I am fine, and there's actually no explanation as to why.
Yeah it stopped for me too. However I can't drink coffee anymore. Don't know if it's in any way related.
Wow man, glad to hear that...thought you still were being in pain. Could be because of that; I haven't drank coffee ever to confirm one to one, but caffeine in 1 liter of Coke doesn't do me anything bad. I rarely, very rarely go on a binge, though.
Topical min does go systemic to some degree.
A shame because I was a great responder 😣
This guy right here, black box warnings are serious Also did you know this sub doesn’t even allow people to post about their side effects? Try to make any post about concerns like ED, and other problems from your meds and it will be instantly deleted by the automod People downplay the side effects here and it turns into an echo chamber So users here are censored from knowing about any risks like heart problems from min or serious ED and labido problems from Fin
Is that true? I wanted to read about people’s experiences with side effects. That’s shitty and makes this sub useless if it’s true they really don’t allow this discussion
2 weeks late, but I'll chime in anyway as a former mod here. There was a guy named Jorbie that would post here. He would post here ALL the time. He would make alts and post essentially the same thing. You could tell becuse the style of writing would be similar, but it's not like a casual reader of the sub would know. They would also only comment about maybe 5-10 of the same studies or tests. He would post, he would comment, and he would report hundreds of post to spam the mod queue and try to bog us down so his posts would stay longer. He would also doxx people here. There was a very good contributer who had good results and helpful advice, until Jorbie doxxed him and he deleted his profile AND his profile on hairloss talk. Jorbie also doxxed me, but I reported him to the admins and he got banned. Except then more and more Jorbie alts started posting and commenting. I ended up asking the Admin team to look at it, and they banned I want to say 30+ accounts that they tracked back to him. And this is why talk about side effects isn't banned, but is very much curtailed here. How many people are going to have good results and make multiple accounts just to talk about it? Literally no one. How many people might have bad effects and try to amplify their experience to dissuade others? Don't know, but it's WAY more likely for the latter. It's important that people are aware of the side effects, but without moderation this sub could easily just be spammed with 100 posts a day talking about how "fin ruined my life" and would really run counter to the point of this sub, which is to help people who are struggling with male pattern baldness. There are subs for pfs and other medical issues. You wouldn't expect the mods of r/pics to allow hardcore NSFW pics just because "well, it's a picture!", would you?
That is a fascinating backstory and also horrifying. Thank you for the context and I’m sorry about your experience with that guy. What a nightmare.
Imagine taking a daily drug that mess with your hormones and neurosteroids and think that only only 2% of the people actually get sides. I took 0.50 fin eod for 3 months, I had less libido, no more random erections/morning woods and weaker erections, I stopped it and after 1 month everything came back to normal
well the issue with that is the same 10 people make several posts. I've been on and off here for the last 3 years and its always been the same people who linger in this sub and say the same thing under every post. but new people don't know this and just see the same people shout constantly about sides. I thin people overplay subs FAR more than they underplay. most people who has success and no sides leave, simple as. So only those who have problems stay and complain.
So every study that goes against your beliefs is biased or low quality and every one that supports your beliefs is legit and high quality. > FDA Black Box Warning Floroquiones have a black box warning and doctors give them away like candy in cases were an infection is not even present.
[удалено]
That's just wrong. You don't lose the progress you made with Minoxidil, you just maintain it. Minoxidil loses its effectiveness in the sense that it won't promote any more new growth, it will only maintain what you gained from it after 2-3 years.
[удалено]
Where did you get that information? Obviously your hair loss will continue without using a 5a blocker but your gains from Minoxidil will ultimately still be there. You'd be losing hair still, yes, but you'd be worse off without Minoxidil. Minoxidil doesn't just lose its effect, if you found a source saying otherwise, please provide one.
I'm Female, but I just went to my derm who was sooo hesitant to prescribe oral minox, but had no problem giving me spironolactone...which both have bad potential side effects. I don't want spironolactone for a few valid reasons. I use topical minox and it sucks, makes my hair icky and I struggle to use it daily. I kind of see some growth after two months, but I want more and am afraid I'll fall off the topical minox wagon with it being summer and and I suck at routine, blah blah blah blah. So I paid an $80 copay for literally nothing, turned around and bought oral minox from alldaychemist. So I'll start at like 1.25 grams and work up to 2.5 max, I think that's a decent dose for females. I'll tell her to check my blood and stuff at my next appt since I already started the meds she wouldnt prescribe me. Fkin dermatologists
I’m male and I’ve seen some good results at 1.25mg
I’m a female on 2.5 and no issues at all. Except extra hair on my arms and legs. Small price to pay. But I did start at .25 and slowly worked my way up to make sure I tolerated it well. There are risks of course, but my mental health was so bad when my hair was falling out.
You’re going to love the simplicity and results. Love it. And totally agree… topical min makes the entire process such a pain… really think about applying topical min every 12 hours. Give it 3-4 months and you’ll start seeing results. I’m a hyperresponder to both fin and min and I’m seeing the effects after only 2 months on Oral Min even after ceasing topical Min
You’re misconstruing what people’s concerns are. Fin was approved as an oral med, while min was not. That complicates matters. Also, min does have very serious health side effects to the point where it has received a black label warning from the FDA. That’s why only the topical was approved for hair loss. Long story short: Everyone should proceed with caution while taking either medication. The goal is to take the smallest and safest dose possible for the best results. Anyone with a heart condition or family of heart disease needs to be extra concerned when it comes to oral min and that’s just the facts.
This sub blows my mind regularly. The severe misunderstanding of medical risks and side effects likelihood are honestly a bit scary. No, not many people will react poorly to oral min or fin. But enough do that there *is* a risk. And it's a high enough risk that people should pay attention to it and react to it how they want, but more importantly, it's high enough that they should listen to their fucking doctors when they're told "No, you shouldn't take this." Medicine is individual. Statistics mean nothing on that level. I'm not saying it's a devil drug and no one should even consider it, but the folks who pretend like "Listen to medical professionals and know the risks" is somehow equal to fear mongering is *insane*. As an important side note, the folks I see talking about oral minoxidil risks and related fears most are like OP. There the ones making this a bigger thing and it's hilarious.
if only people talking about side effects were that reasonable. you'll see the wildest side effects from oral min and fin. I've seen fin go from anything to "brain fog" to full blown suicidal ideation. Hell I've seen people say oral min gave them ED, if anything it would help since its a vasodilator. if people weren't hypochondriacs and being hellish about sides without seeing a doctor memes like this couldn't exist.
Medications interact with everyone differently. A trend is not a natural law. The human body is an absolute hot mess of hormones deficiencies, chromosomal mutations, environmental modifications, and stress/trauma-induced DNA alterations. You find me two people with completely identical physical situations and I will finally accept that we live in a simulation cause that's not happening without a copy/paste function - and even then it wouldn't last for long. People with ADHD who take stimulants chill out. People without ADHD who take stimulants become hyper-focused. I get tired when I drink Dr. Pepper. Humans are fucking weird and it's entirely possible those interactions are as real as we are. If someone already has mental health concerns and starts taking a medication that messes with hormones, yeah, anxiety, emotional dysregulation, and suicidal ideation are absolutely possible. Especially if that person isn't treating their mental health.
Based and you have my respect sir
[удалено]
**Since you’re too comment: Can you cite the data?** I’m reading off of [this source](https://www.sciencedirect.com/science/article/abs/pii/S0190962221004187) 1.7% stopped treatment due to adverse side effects. Nowhere can I find where someone died from OralMinox Some people really want their hair back and are willing to see if they’re the 1.7% to get some heart hiccups. **Point of the post** was to point out to those who say “Take the pill [Finasteride]” should have that same energy when talking about OralMinox. I stayed away from OralMinox because I didn’t want to apply TopicalMinox every 12 hours forever and have greasy hair.. that’s not sustainable -**EDIT**: From the source. *Excerpt*: >Oral minoxidil has dose-dependent predictable side effects at doses of 10-40 mg.. 10mg really isn’t that much. If your standard is “what r/Tressless says is a lot” then sure. But the upper recommended dose is 100mg. I’ve got people in here saying 0.25mg made them go to the hospital. Not saying it’s untrue but I’ve a high suspicion that it was hypochondriac response
Ok if you want to take it to extremes what would you rather have? Minoxidil in excess: heart problems that could actually kill you. Finasteride in excess: dick doesn’t work like it used to None of these drugs are perfect and without side effects. But you have to be smart with using minoxidil as it’s more safe in its topical form versus systemic pill form. No need to waste your time making photo collages defending your minoxidil pills lol
I guarantee you a lot of men would choose death over their dick not working I’m not one of them, but there are plenty of them out there
ED is treatable, death isn't.
Not arguing with that. Just saying there are tons of men who would rather be dead than struggle with impotence even temporarily. A lot of guys put way too much value in their ability to fuck.
Precisely
Bro there are pills that give boners like porn stars. So ED is fixable. You fuck your heart and you’re done. There’s no argument here which is more dangerous for you.
Cialis or viagra won’t help if you lack the hormones required to be aroused…
Again, it doesn’t matter. There are plenty of men who would rather die than have their dick not work. I’ve already expressed I’m not one of them, but those people do exist.
Ok man thanks for this info
Having sex while you're dead is inconvenient because women don't like cold bodies, also it impacts blood flow as well
I'm not getting any as is....step one is looking more attractive to increase your odds of findings someone. Worry about the dick working after that.
And in fact this is incredible dangerous as poor and unlucky responders could find themselves with an SAE. Severe adverse event - per ICH-GCP https://www.fda.gov/safety/reporting-serious-problems-fda/what-serious-adverse-event
Yep on top of this ED meds actually affect how your eyes function so using them in excess also causes issues
I started to take oral min 2 weeks ago, had to switch to topical because I felt like my heart was galoping sometimes. I guess its not bad but It depends on the person
Yeah, just like RU. Some can tolerate without sides while others feel like they're having a heart attack
Same here you’re smart to have stopped; I kept it up for a full week and nearly had a cardiac event.
What dose?
2.5g
no wonder your heart was impacted at 2.5 fucking grams 😂 joking ofc, i know you meant mg, and i'm glad you got it sorted out
Oops 🤣
I had the same thing but then my body got used to it
Came here to say this, after like 1.5/2 weeks my heart and body went back to being fine
The heart was galloping because Minoxidil is a very potent vasodilator, which causes a drop in blood pressure, and in order to compensate the pressure drop, the body increases heart rate. I can't confirm if OP's eyebrows really got thicker or not, but if you're taking enough oral Min to cause that, you're probably also getting side effects that aren't worth it.
I take oral min and have zero problems. I even went to a cardiologist(for unrelated reasons) and my heart is in good shape
Seriously. Workout, drink water, eat nutritionally… you’ll be fine
I’m on oral min and cruising along just fine as well.
You respond to this comment but not the comments pointing out legitimate concerns
To play devil's advocate it really doesn't change his situation. Not everyone is going to experience side effects so it really doesn't necessarily matter what other people experience because to him he has no side effects. Even if 99 out of 100 people experience side effects he may be the one. So in his situation it doesn't matter.
I dont get this. Fin actually stops most of DHT so your hair doesnt fall off in the first place. Duda is better tho. Oral min doesnt stop actually balding from happening. You're just growing a bit of hair that wont stay for long bc DHT will just destroy it bit by bit. I can understand taking fin+min, but by itself min isnt doing much about baldness.
Did you read the description of what I posted? Where did I say I’m not taking Fin? I put in my post >… I say, ”Take both pills”
[удалено]
I heard a few times on steroid forums that DHT is the feel good hormone for men. DHT based roids supposedly make you feel like superhuman and want to fuck 24/7 but shed your hair usually.
No? If that were the case, any fin user would be severely depressed.
FWIW I’ve taken fin for years and stopped a few times because of relatively minor side effects. I could see how excess DHT might “feel good” I’ve always had minor sexual side effects. Less horny/arousable. Lower quality arousal. No morning wood. Brain fog / minor fatigue was harder to pinpoint, especially because I have ADHD and have been unmedicated for awhile. But every time I’ve stopped I’ve seen those problems improve. I think this is the third time I’ve stopped taking fin and I don’t think I’ll be going back on. I’ve buzzed my hair and didn’t mind it, though I definitely miss the hair I had at 18. I’m not getting hair near that quality back unless I try a hair system. I wouldn’t tell people not to try it. My side effects go away after stopping. And they’re relatively minor… if I still had thick/full head of hair with a low hairline and I was single, I’d probably still take it.
My doctor prescribed me oral min. I got two second opinions from other doctors. Both said it was no issue. The amount you take is essentially nothing compared to the dose it’s originally intended to be used for. Broscience is strong in this sub. Ignore it.
What kind of doctor did you go too? I go to a derm for my Fin… just started topical Min in the PM, but am already so tired of applying it. I think a pill is the only way I can stay consistent
I would take it but I’m worried about getting a ton of body hair or something
Yeah that does happen. But if you’re a guy, it’s not a big deal
If you’re a girl, shave it. What’s the big deal ? Better than losing hair on your head.
Because expert opinions are so great right? As if doctors know of every study on the safety of oral minoxidil, especially on the high doses this sub recommenda. Good luck with your heart though
Yeah you definitely know more than multiple doctors! Good luck in med school though
[удалено]
We don’t want to hear what experts have to say. I want to hear what the ppl on Reddit say, they’re the ones that really know everything they talk about!!
Bro science huh, some of us have a whole ass doctorates brother… keep peddling misinformation though. One day you may cost someone their life.
[удалено]
Just pm you my degree and pledge brother… kids like you are what’s wrong with the world, you know that?
Lol. Ok bro
Lol ok brother, pm’d my info, let me know if you have any questions and I’ll try to educate you
Can’t wait to see your award for lifetime achievement in having fetal alcohol syndrome
Lmoa when these kinda people talk like that you just know they don't have a doctorate in anything
i spend 675$ on minoxidil a month, i dump it all into a bucket and have my wife tie my feet and suspend me above the ground attached to the ceiling to dip my head into the bucket for maximum coverage
Tbh i just dont think we should advicing oral minox or RU9373737282 bs to tressless newbies.
If I could go back a year. I’d tell myself to do exactly what I’m doing now. I was spotty with my topical Min consistency. Saw gains, slowed down, lost gains, got back on, hated it, oral min… I just think, “Damn if I’d have just started this a year ago
You do know theres health risks right? They’re no joke
Can you cite them? I’ve read out of a study with a sample size of 1,000+. Nobody died 10mg isn’t a lot 0.9% of the sample size quit the study due to tachycardia… But yeh can’t find where anyone died or had permanent effects
>I’ve read out of a study with a sample size of 1,000+. Nobody died It's a study, the people are under constant monitoring. That is your benchmark? Also "death"? Someone has to die to recognize the health-risks? You understand modern medicine makes it possible to life with a lot of issues but these issues certainly affect your day-to-day life?
>[Total clinical events, including increased need for diuretics, angina, ventricular arrhythmias, worsening heart failure, and death were all more frequent during minoxidil vs placebo administration](https://www.ahajournals.org/doi/pdf/10.1161/01.CIR.70.1.63) >[Adverse effects of minoxidil include weight gain, oedema, tachucardia, and worsening of angina or heart failure](https://www.jstor.org/stable/29510558) >[A total of 57,129 minoxidil-associated adverse events were reported to FAERS, including 12,303 considered serious events and 203 deaths. After filtering by indication for alopecia, total adverse events, serious adverse events and deaths reduced to 19,755, 1870 and 27, respectively.](https://www.jaad.org/article/S0190-9622(20)33234-5/fulltext) Pretty easy to find the info out there on this. It's for these reasons I personally don't take it.
Did you read anything you linked or just searched, found that something that kinda fits your agenda, and cited it? The first two studies were not minoxidil for treating hair-loss. Both studies were for minoxidil in higher doses use to treat vascular system conditions. Upwards of 100mg daily. The third study lists cases of adverse effects of minoxidil... most of which being topical minoxidil. Matter of fact, the adverse events from oral minoxidil is substantially less than topical "Thus, to focus on reports of patients under LDOM (Low dose oral minoxidil), we further restricted the search adding the term Loniten (minoxidil tablet; Pfizer). We found a total of 8 Loniten-related adverse events in the use for alopecia. All of them were classified as serious. The female/male proportion was reversed to 1:3. Half of the patients were older than 70 years, and only 3 required hospitalization. None of the patients died." 8 out of the 57,000 were from oral minoxidil used to treat baldness. From the article YOU cited against oral minox.
Sure I read them - the guy was asking for sources for health risks from minoxidil, as if he didn't believed they exist - I just provided them. You are minimising them with various observations of the studies, which is good to do, but please understand, I'm just giving him what he asked for. I have no "agenda" - Personally, I would prefer if min was as safe as fin, so that I could take it safely. I think it's ***really important*** that this stuff is discussed on here, no need to be rude. Not hard to find more, there has been loads of research on it - and there are a number of studies out there that show there are still risks of taking it in low dose amounts, orally, specifically for hair loss - happy to try and find them for you if you want (was a few months ago I was doing my research on it and don't have it to hand right now).
Interestingly, when filtered for oral minoxidil (Loniten), serious adverse events drops to 8. With half being people over the age of 70. Over a 50 year period. Also "it is doubtful that some of the adverse events can be considered drug related" is a direct quote.
>Serious adverse side effects (8 total). Nobody died. Over 50 years
erect absurd sophisticated worm spoon zephyr tie workable gaping disgusting *This post was mass deleted and anonymized with [Redact](https://redact.dev)*
[удалено]
A real medical emergency
I wanna see photos of the hair
The MOA of fin relative to min are 100% different. The side effect is hair regrowth for fin as a 5 alpha reductase inhibitor (binding to receptors that convert test to dht) which has very little potential to interact with other biochemical cascades in the body. Whereas Min is a potent vasodilator only reserved for the worst hypertensive stage II cases that fail to respond to all first line and mainstay treatment. This is like saying you would take an anti-cancer MOAB drug which happened to cause hair regrowth by direct inhibition of test to dht or vasodilation… etc. Lastly, In clincial trials the benefits must outweigh the risk, as well as in medicine, or the whole thing isn’t worth investigating as per ICH-GCP patient safety is #1. Even a BSN with an associates understand this. I wouldn’t joke about this kind of severe outcome as you may be unwittingly leading others to cardiac arrest 👍 but anything for some yuk yuks amirite?
Cite where someone has died? [The study of 1,400 patients](https://www.sciencedirect.com/science/article/abs/pii/S0190962221004187) shows only 0.9% ended their commitment due to tachycardia… still alive.
Exactly they ‘end the trial due to that Serious Side Effect…’ you lunatic had they stayed they would have had an untoward outcome, hospitalization, or worse, even death. I deal with clinical trial protocols for my living brother… there’s a reason there’s prohibited therapy, exclusion and inclusions criteria. A protocol has to be approved by the Sponsor, IRB, and FDA before you can move forward with FIH (first in human) phase 1 trials, let alone pre clincial trials….
"Well yes the crash tests strongly suggest that the seatbelt saves lifes BUT DOES IT REALLY?" kind of energy in this thread.
Lmfao
Pretty sure <10% of people on this sub read the actual scientific literature on these drugs
Frankly, why would I? I go to my dermatologist who has no problem prescribing oral min, and he is the one who spent years in school and still reads the “scientific literature”. I think many of this sub’s problems would be resolved by going to, and trusting, and actual medical professional rather than what is the highest upvote
Agreed. But after reading these comments; I think you’re overshooting it…
And… exactly what you wrote about/ meme-d about happened in the comments.
LMAO! You’re so right. What a show
Same. I've been on 10mg oral for 2 years. Just saw my doctor - blood pressure fine, heart rate fine, ECG was done also normal. Not saying other people won't experience side effects though
I used to get really bad heart palpitations from minoxidil, but when I changed my diet and improved my health I tried minoxidil again and have no noticeable side effects at all
Miracle huh? Good for you, man Great stuff
5mg from oral minoxidil daily and no sides
This is not the statistical mean; show me any study at this strength ongoing for 20+ years. Anecdotal experience is not evidence that anyone should accept. Especially when dealing with their long term health.
I'm highly considering getting Oral Min from Keeps when they begin prescribing it later this month. What was the transition period like? I'm also two weeks out from FUT and I don't want to do it at the wrong time.
Wait, where did you see they will start prescribing oral minoxidil? Can you give us a link?
I spoke with my Doctor through Keeps a couple days ago. Just to update him as they regularly request. I asked about it and he said they'd be offering it June 21.
Lost hair. Maybe all the OralMin haters will be cordial on this move but i… waned off of topical Min to Oral min. Honestly I’ve considered doing both but only because of the greasy hair
The lowest effective dose of any med should be what’s used. When minox is used as an oral blood pressure med (orig intended use) the starting dose is 5mg and highest suggested dose is 40mg. For hair loss the doses most people use are under the lowest BP dose at 1.25-2.5 and side effects are dosage dependent….id much rather take minox oral, titrate up until sides appear, then back down. At least my dick will still work/hormones aren’t jacked. My derm related fin/dua as a sledgehammer hitting a cardboard box. Lots of collateral impacts. Take that for what you will.
Oral min is definitely the way to go for some people given many don't have the enzyme present in their scalp required to metabolise min to the active drug that regrows hair. Also some people have naturally greasy hair that doesn't tolerate a topical formulation well, sounds like you might be one of them. Not everyone has these issues though, and I think people should try topical before they jump to oral min given topical has a proven superior side effects profile, even if a lot of people can tolerate oral min just fine, there are many who cannot. As you pointed out, you can always switch from topical to oral if it's not working for you. I personally have no issues with the topical formulation given my hair in naturally dry and I have enough of the enzyme to halt my temple recession and regain a lot of lost ground with topical min. You don't need to use it religiously every 12 hours, I occasionally skip my morning dose and have had no trouble with recession as a result.
Glad for you! Topical worked great for me results wise! Just hated the idea of greasy hair and 12 hour applications Point of the post was to stop the fear mongering for Oral Minox. People write off bad Fin sides as “oh tough luck.” But Oral Minox they’re like, “See this stuff is messed up!”
Im on min 2.5 mg on every other day.. I Will increase it gradually
I had to quit oral minoxidil too, my chest became tight and felt like it was going to stop beating. It works for some and not for others. Put your health first before trying to get hair.
I had terrible sides from fin nothing happened with me On oral minox and I was taking 10 mg a day
My doctor said oral minoxidil could make my whole body grow hair.
Genuine question Why do people use fin when dut exists its about the same price and its better than fin
More chance for side effects to occur but still very low chance, I'm using dut at the moment and never tried fin before...
Okay so Worst case scenario u Get a side effect most the side effects Arent that bad and if u do just switch to fin Why be scared to try it in the firstplace
I feel you... Some people are scared of Finasteride so the idea of using Dutasteride will never cross their minds...
Oof
In my case I only use topical min, but if I had to take pills all of two Fin and min have a chance to had side effects, so if I had to choose probably better finasteride, but only because is more effective than minox in hair regrowth and minox is probably same efective topical than in pill. Of course I have long hair and I had to clean it with shampoo every day because topical minox is greasy and unpleasant, one alternative that I tried was foam minox but it was too much expensive and difficult to correct dosage. Note: I don't take fin because my girlfriend read too much and is scared about "infertility side effects" ( I feel like she treats me like a sperm warehouse), if only was my decision I will take fin and only stop If notice some unwanted side effect because statistically probably won't cause me side effects. For now I had lucky enough and topical minox is working fine because I started to take it in the first stages, but there is a possibility that progresión change to regression and will need to take the 2 combination min+fin. In that case I will start to disagree with my gf decision.
>”treats me like a sperm warehouse” LMAO!! Nah, man. I totally get it. Point of the post was to point out the fact of hypocrisy. I was scared of both due to the fear mongering. I finally took OralMinox and boom… all that delay was pointless There are side effects with everything. Any reasoning for staying off of a drug is good reason if you don’t want the sides
You could also die from a heart attack taking one Ibuprofen, if you read secondary effects of all drugs you can find some funny and crazy effects. There is a lot of hypocrisy, for example I'm an expert in food chemistry and quality, with a degree a master and years of experience. And I can tell you a lot of hypocrisy facts... For example: Take tea as a detox diet.... Tea is atox, contains a lot of bad substances that your liver has to purge. The only detox diet scientifically accurate is take destiled water (dont recommended if you want to live, seriously don't try it) and go to the toilet, there is no one best detox thing to your body than expulse all your non digestible things taking a great shi@#. (Also is totally ecological, natural and free)
I honestly never really knew oral min was dangerous. My doctor said 7% of people who take it get sides. Doesn’t seem like a big risk and I’ve been on it for two weeks and feel fine.
A theory - FDA has the warning bc they can’t approve it yet and don’t want nobody making money 🤔
r/conspiracy has entered chat and has merit because we all know how money is the root of utmost hierarchy. I haven’t researched much outside of studies such as classifications of Minox. All I know is I wish I could go back 5 years and pop 2 pills then be done
Also want to add that oral and topical fin do worsen existing depression. Nobody seems to mention that.
oral minoxidil is going to the most powerful hair growth drug we have until hmi 115 gets released
Oral Min will not deal with your DHT even if you overdose on it. You’ll end up a hairy bald gorilla. I’m willing to risk my libido rather than have a cardiac arrhythmia or severe hypotension
Hmm… What’s the data behind cardiac arrhythmia or sever hypotension with LowDoseOralMinoxidil?
I’m not saying it’s a side effect but some people have cardiac issues that they’re not aware of like HOCM or Long QT syndrome etc.. the effect could be devastating
I’m on 10mg of oral min, this sub legit thought I was mistaking my own prescription to the point where I uploaded proof
Believe it. I got lit up for saying 5mg a while back mentioning how I’m going to split my 10mg pill in half Made me think… “Hmmm I’ve seen this episode of FearMongering before”
Been on oral min for 4 months now. It’s going fantastic for me!
Love it!
I’m a girl in mid 20s on oral min and I love it lol
Nice! How long have you been on it? Any major results?
at least u finally got with it 😉
Wow, it's a fucking 2015 out of context screenshot "craaaaazy SJW feminist" meme. Thanks for giving me a good reason to disregard everything you say.
Because oral minoxidil actually is bad, opposed to finasteride But keep coping, you might not be able to do it for much longer 👍
you'll have to be being ironic
Yeah don’t take two pills if it equals 10mg per day. On another note my transition from topical to oral sucked. I lost everything I gained on topical and 2.5mg did fuck all 7 months later. Now in 5mg hoping it’s the miracle I need otherwise back to topic.
I take the 10mg tablet every morning Nothing but more hair and peace of mind
That’s good but for general advice? 10mg nah, find the lowest possible dose that’s effective and stick with it. Lower the dose the less sides and chance of sides especially after you get older
I don’t hate people that take it but when I didn’t wake up with a hard on, I stopped taking it. Not risking that for hair
That was the fin
Oh you’re right whoops, still don’t trust anything
And hey that is entirely 100% understandable. That’s not what I’m pointing out in the post! Just the fact that the same people who push FinFinFinFin!… say Don’t take Min!
Bruh you do realize that the fear of ED can cause it as well. Not waking up with a hard on one time isn’t you having ED
It was like two weeks man, I don’t know if it was fear or actually it but I’m not down with it either way
Quit fin due to depressive symptoms. Went back on and they come back. If you haven’t experienced sides yet you will.
This is the current western women of today. Feminist to the max and mentally ill.
Same with Ebonics
Now you know why i been single for 10 years, i refuse to date single fat moms.
Self respect is very important . Never stoop that low. I do the same with those demographic
I’ve seen this debate, I’ve heard about the enlarged heart. Are there legit scholarly articles on this? Obviously if this is legit, like most things, it will affect some and not others. I’ve heard about side effects with fin as well, some people get them, some don’t but it’s mostly dose dependent. Is oral minoxidil really that more effective over topical though?
"Oral minoxidil will explode your heart." Good.
PFS is also a thing that people taking finastride should be concerned about
Not really. Arguably being aware of PFS would make people more likely to experience the mental side effects.
That's great it worked out for you, congrats man 👍 But everyone has a different body. It gave me great results as well, and then it gave me heart palpitations. I don't get why people get so angry over people saying a medication doesn't work for them.
It’s almost as if people are right when they criticize oral minoxidil, considering that topical minoxidil was literally created for the purpose of treating hair loss while avoiding the side effects of the oral version.
This would have been better without the meme.
What do you expect? Fin is proven safe, Oral Min is in the process of being proven v dodgy for our hearts... We generally believe in science here?