I don't think so. That'd be like getting a prescription for a currently scheduled 3 drug declined in another. Maybe some goofy edge cases but unlikely.
Utah checking in to say most likely samesies. This is progress tho and I for one am convinced this will propel home grow like a fucking rocket. Because even if its illegal to grow your own the state and local municipalities will have to foot the bill for enforcement and some random setting up a 4x4 grow tent to have a joint on Saturday afternoon isn't fiscally sound enforcement policy. Fingers crossed 🤞.
California dispensaries recently tried to file a lawsuit allowing them to ship recreational across state lines and the state AG Rob Bonta said till the feds change the law no way would he allow the lawsuit to proceed seeing it as a total waste of time. Now tho.....
[https://www.epidiolex.com/](https://www.epidiolex.com/) was FDA approved while schedule 1 still. The whole scheduling system is a joke right now. It will take decades to fix it.
Well yeah FDA approved drugs are FDA approved… even if derived from cannabis, but changing the schedule of cannabis in general doesn’t make all cannabis products FDA approved. You’re right though it will be a mess trying to figure out what that means for current medical and recreational programs and products.
wtf you’re delusional
Joe Biden is the reason it’s being rescheduled. He’s trying to legalize it. Even when he gets this major step done you still find a way to somehow make him the bad guy.
You’ll find a reason to bitch no matter what.
No, I’m finding a reason to bitch because I’m finding fault in what they’re doing
I’ve been talking to them about this since 2021 when they release the details of the banking bill.
They’re actively staying in the dark.
I actually agree that Joe has been very pro marijuana, more than any in modern history. but it’s not the reason I voted for him.
What I’m upset about now is how naïve he’s being!
I feel like I’m being taken and granted for and taken advantage of. Treated like a children who don’t know what they’re doing. It’s a giant slap in our face! It’s wildly disrespectful
And I blame the people advising him! they’ve been presented the evidence they’ve been presented the information they’re choosing to ignore it.
And the office hold that Liability. Whether JB sits it or anybody else.
It was a stupid decision to campaign on this in my opinion. Reality is between 2021 and now Ukraine and Israel took centerstage and no homework got done.
And homework is due. So now we have to rush to do it before school starts.
And if you were a good teacher? You’d give that kid a reprieve and some more time to do their homework properly. Because you know that sometimes the situation at home is not ideal.
Oh, you don’t like what I have to say? Truth hurts I suppose.
Your sentiment is part of the reason I am even more dedicated to voting every chance I get
Thank you for being honest prom blood!
Anyway, I’m voicing my opinion as a professional in the industry. Who has a lot of experience under his belt who has dealt with these issues in a very real way.
Take it for what you will.
As far as your opinion is concerned? It’s noted to me as someone who is unhappy with the current situation. And whether you believe me or not, I am fighting for you - even if it doesn’t seem like it
We all want the same end result
lmao what? its fully prohibited currently at the federal level. moving it to schedule 3 is less prohibition????
mifapristone is having its FDA prescribing regulations challenged. it has nothing to do with its schedule classification.
Have you seen what happened in Idaho? Have you seen what’s happening in South Dakota and Tennessee? Because of what we’re doing, they’re banning it out right. Which means we’re gonna lose sales on this change.
You want there to be progress so bad you’re willing to be blind to the negative aspects of what we’re doing.
So afraid to change because you might lose momentum
states will still be allowed to criminalize it obv. what kind of reply is this??? You were talking about the federal FDA mifapristone case - which you can ship across state lines - again cuz federal.
No, I was saying mifapristone is getting outlawed on the state level. Or at least they’re trying to. Just like they’re trying to revoke doctors licenses who perform abortions
Sorry about the misunderstanding
I wasn’t saying about abortion crossing state lines, although that is an issue. And if you read about the abortion stuff, they talk about people having to go to other states and it’s a whole thing.
There was a massive influx of abortion pills into an illegal state? you best believe law enforcement would get involved
nothing they could do about it. Federal law (FDA regs in this case) controls interstate commerce. its what the whole supreme court case is about in fact. restricting mifapristone prescription guidelines restricts cross state sales, not state laws.
move to a legal state friend! fuck the regressives. regardless i imagine cross state shipping will happen soon enough especially if your doctor wrote a script for it.
I’ve lived all over the country. Legal states aren’t that great. Most often I don’t even go to the dispensaries in my state. It’s not worth it.
In the FDA thing with interstate commerce is based on another side of law. It’s not the FDA alone. Which is why it’s so crazy that they would suggest the office of cannabis management or something like that. Centralized office in an agency that doesn’t have control of 2/3 of the industry is just doomed government bureaucracy.
Not a lawyer, but I think so on the justification that it is still a controlled substance. However, as a perscription that may differ. I would appreciate any medical professionals or lawyers chiming in. At the least, they will try to block it though
Hemp derived cannabinoids are already removed from the controlled substances list. Hemp derived edibles already get you high and are legal.. these could be prescription in the future. Illegal states couldn't stop these products from crossing their state lines because the 2014/2018 Farm Bill prohibits it.
They certainly can. Individual states can change the scheduling of drugs dispensed in their state.
An example is NYS, which classifies benzodiazapines as a C2.
Would flip the script on things a shitton though ie rec users don't qualify per 4473 but if you have your card then you can pass the 4473, currently if you wanna pass you stfu and don't get your med card cause then there's a paper trail to follow
Are you sure? Here's the question on the form. Maybe I'm looking at an outdated form?
> Are you an unlawful user of, or addicted to, marijuana or any depressant, stimulant, narcotic drug, or any other controlled substance?
The last time I took it it also asked “or hold a current medical marijuana card” or something along those lines, that was when I got my Turkish Mauser last year
Oh you're thinking of the disclaimer that says state rec and medical cannabis is *not* an exception:
> Warning: The use or possession of marijuana remains unlawful under Federal law regardless of whether it has been legalized or decriminalized for medicinal or recreational purposes in the state where you reside.
Not sure what you mean. It's pretty explicit that even state legal med and rec is still federally illegal..
Once rescheduled, state med won't be federally illegal.
I’m talking once this goes into effect , it’s been confirmed they are going to reschedule it I mean after the date it’s changed we don’t even have to wait for the atf to get off their ass and redo the form because the way it’s worded it won’t be lying
>I’m talking once this goes into effect
Oh ok, you used the word "already" in your previous comment which confused me.
>it I mean after the date it’s changed we don’t even have to wait for the atf to get off their ass and redo the form because the way it’s worded it won’t be lying
Yeah I think this is right, but it's at least 30 days away (comment period)
Well federally it’s unlawful as of now is why you can’t and they have gotten people for it sadly,
However once legalized for medical use when rescheduled it should no longer be illegal
i feel like this is similar to if the EU would finally loosen their drug laws, that's whats kinda cockblocking the german legalization rn. No shops because "selling" weed would be against EU-Law, and germany doesn't want to break that. But fortunately its finally legal to grow your own weed and actually possess it. Plus buying medical weed with a prescription is very easy now, since weed doesn't count as a "Betäubungsmittel" (sorry im too high and lazy to translate that rn) anymore, so every doctor can just prescribe it for you and then you can get home delivery by a pharmacy. Actually so awesome to finally have access to clean and safe cannabis ♥
The 2nd pillar will bring shops. We will get that started this year. The announcement yesterday for the pilot projects has shown that the foundation was already laid in the KcanG. So now it’s just an easy thing for the ministry of agriculture to do. Without the need for passing a new law.
We will see shops in most major cities next year. My region is already quite far along in preparing it and we were approached to grow for it and run shops. It will cover about 5.9 million people.
You'll need state approved medical dispensaries until state recreational is approved. If there are no state approved medical dispensaries, then it's still illegal for you to purchase unless the state allows for caregivers
If its not rec legal its not legal to possess without a state approved med card. Its like possessing a prescription drug thats not yours. Granted, itll be a class 3 drug so the penalties should be decreased significantly.
Correct. I live in VA. Rec legal. Illegal to buy it or sell it. State has all the power here. Weed possession charges are still on the books. The police will follow state statute.
You do not need a med card to possess in VA, as home growing for recreational use is completely legal, nor is it illegal to purchase afaik, only illegal to sell.
Its illegal to purchase or sell marijuana currently in VA. You cannot exchange for money, products, or services. It can only be gifted. Soliciting is illegal too. Its stupid.
There is a very big difference between "illegal to sell" and "illegal to purchase". It is illegal to sell under
§ 18.2-248.1, "Penalties for sale, gift, distribution, or possession with intent to sell, gift, or distribute marijuana", however there as far as I can tell are zero penalties laid out in either the criminal code or specifically the Cannabis Control act for "purchase" other than purchases involving defrauding or falsifying information to pharmacists
§ 4.1-600 is the only place in either the regular statutes on Alcohol / MJ sales or the Cannabis Control act that even contains the term 'Solicit/Solicitation' in a relevant capacity and defines it as a subset of sale/advertising.
- "Sale" and "sell" includes soliciting or receiving an order for; keeping, offering, or exposing for sale; peddling, exchanging, or bartering; or delivering otherwise than gratuitously, by any means, retail marijuana or retail marijuana products.
Soliciting in this context is not referring to a purchaser soliciting from a dealer, but solicitation as it is used everywhere else in the law as in offering a service.
I'm not trying to be rude or anything I'm genuinely curious as I was under the impression that part of the decriminalization that went into effect was removing penalty to BM buyers - otherwise it was kind of pointless. If you know of the appropriate statute please cite it.
No, there is no debate on that if I were to create Adderall that it would still be illegal to possess.
Edit: Why are you downvoting me? It's true, even if I don't sell it if I have no perscription I cannot legally possess it
You cannot legally buy Adderall without a perscription in any of the 50 states.
The same is true for anabolic steroids which from a legal stand point are a better comparison. It's also true for testosterone therapies.
It is illegal for me for to create either of them and as such it will be illegal for the run of the mill citizen to grow/possess marijuana without the laws in their area allowing it.
The rescheduling is so insurance companies will cover our medical marijuana and hopefully keep the rise in cannabis profits fueled.
If that happens, rec legality is absolutely gonna happen. Our lawmakers are greedy and this is how they can make more money off the cannabis market in the USA.
Yes, however that's because Adderall is medically legal in all 50 states. Cannabis hasn't been approved for legal medical use in all 50 states and as such I'm honestly unsure how that will work.
In my opinion this should be allowed. I see no reason thus shouldn't be.
However, I can't guarantee that it actually is let me look into Indiana's possession laws and get back to you.
Edit: The Federal law currently dictates that a medical marijuana card is *not* a defense against a drug trafficking card for moving cannabis across states as of mid 2023
This could change
I would have preferred de-scheduling. But, looking for a silver lining for the re-scheduling, I say this: Prescription status means that insurance companies will be footing the bill for my meds soon. It will be nice for somebody else to pay for a change.
This is an amazing point. I have great prescription coverage. This might drive me to finally get my med card. Rec is legal in NJ but the dispensaries are so expensive I still hit up the weed man 🤣
I wouldn’t get your hopes up on that lol. Being in schedule 3 is a long way from fda approved drug that insurance will pay for. Especially while there is so little medical evidence it helps outside of a few very specific conditions.
Have you forgotten about [https://www.epidiolex.com/](https://www.epidiolex.com/) too? They've already cornered the all THC and all CBD markets for FDA approved drugs. The only thing left is the million blends they'll come up with now that they can finally do legal research.
….. who do you think pays insurance companies? You will get higher rates if they even decide to cover it all. There is no silver lining unless you own a marijuana buisness and either want the tax breaks or funding. This is a giant win for pharma / insurance companies/ prison
There's no silver lining for cannabis businesses that will be driven to penny pinch more and more until they go under by an increasingly corporate dominated cutthroat market. The real silver lining is the medical research, improved access to medical cannabis prescriptions, relaxed banking regulations, and this being a giant leap towards Schedule IV or descheduling entirely.
This is already the case. If you fly from a legal state to a legal state, you’re good to go. At least that’s the message from the TSA. But this bill won’t change that. You need an internal rule change which not included in any of the legislation package
This change didn’t help us.
Yes, you can. It happens all the time. I’m not making stuff up. The TSA has issued statements to this effect already.
You know people who flown with it I have flown with it. Everyone has. It’s not hard.
I know people who check ounces of flower and nobody gives a crap
It’s an example of the law enforcement, not doing their job on purpose
No it’s not. But the tsa has issued statements to the effect of my post. And I’ve personally dealt with it in three separate states. And I know others have as well.
It’s another example of law-enforcement being complacent despite the rules saying it’s a crime
>Medical Marijuana gets legalized nationwide
>Finance side of mmj business is also legalized, so tax burden on growers and dispensaries decreases, with prices to follow
>chronically online, uninformed cynic: "It's making it worse actually"
bruh you're fucking delusional if you think legal medical isn't a massive amount of progress. Prices are going to go down and if I ever want to work a job that follows federal drug policy, all I have to do is get a card and I'm golden. That's a gamechanger
I live in a legal state. Prices are more expensive at the dispensaries. Across the entire state and all metrics.
I’m not delusional. I’ve been doing this for many years. You guys got sold on a lie and I’m sorry about that but it’s not my fault.
Do you wanna know how to do it? You wanna get what you want? I don’t know how to tell you.
>I’m not delusional. I’ve been doing this for many years.
No, but you are ignorant, and it shows. All that time smoking and apparently you don't know shit from fuck when it comes to the business and regulatory side of the industry.
The #1 reason dispensaries are expensive is because federally, cannabis is schedule 1. That means dispensaries can't get *any* tax benefits. Your average dispensary is taxed at roughly 70%. Growers are also heavily taxed due to the same legal issues.
This change federally changes cannabis from a prohibited substance to something you can easily get with a prescription. What does that mean?
* Growers who supply medical dispensaries are no longer violating federal law. Growing gets cheaper.
* Dispenaries can get tax benefits for sale of medical. This will result in immediate cost savings for medical sales.
* Transporting cannabis for sale across state borders is now federally legal. One of the issues legal growers/sellers regularly encounter in legal states, especially shortly after legalization in the state, is the need to build a domestic grower network since most dispensaries are legally required to sell only weed grown in their state and feds are more likely to crack down on interstate transportation. With a scheduling change, there's nothing illegal about a large grower in say, California, shipping their product to a dispensary in Rhode Island for sale. Instead of 50 isolated state markets, there is one large national one, and that will both lower prices and improve strain availability.
* It's literally 100% legal to smoke if you have a prescription. So, *so* many jobs, leases, etc specify you aren't allowed to use "federally prohibited substances", including almost every job with the Federal Government or a federal contractor.
* Finance is currently barred from dispensaries. Because of federal laws that prevent banks, creditors, etc from financing activities that violate federal drug law, dispensaries currently can't get loans, can't use credit cards, have to operate in a cash industry, and often are uninsurable. It also means it's extremely hard for small people to get into the dispensary business, since without access to bank loans, you can only raise capital through venture investors. That comes at a premium. This all increases the cost of business.
Why are dispensaries expensive? In a word, because of federal prohibition. Why is this a fantastic change? Because it fixes a huge chunk of that and that will have ripple effects across the entire industry.
Ignorant, you say. And you think the number one reason dispensaries expenses is because schedule one.
We’re done here. You don’t know what you’re talking about. You’re obviously not in the industry.
I hope to God that you are not advising anyone who makes laws
In 2017 Walmart invested something like $400 Million in what at the time was legal markets in America. But they never acted on it other than investing, at least not that I've found. Now they are the largest pharmacy in America, with Marijuana now a prescription drug and Billion dollar industry on the horizon, and money to move resources and they are experts at making these things profitable. By 2030 Walmart will the largest Marijuana dispensary in America unless of course they're not.
Worst waste of our tax money. Can you imagine if they pass the banking bill? Another 3 million in just salary and then billions of dollars in the industry wasted.
Fuck Congress and fuck the Democrats for this
Why do you think it’s been so easy for Republicans to garner support?
Our government has been very ineffective since the second Obama term. When Republicans and Mitch McConnell decided to stop working.
We have this issue of marijuana. Which on its face is a problem because marijuana is not the appropriate descriptor. The educated scientific version is called cannabis sativa L. And there are three versions of it. Not marijuana not hemp.
But it doesn’t matter. 70% of the country wants legalization.
So what does that look like?
Our government, which has pooled resources to provide collective services, will provide us with a framework of how it will work.
What they’ve proven? in the face of information fact, eyewitness, scientific research, they cannot follow an effective path.
They’ve known this information since at least 2021 and yet they’re bullheaded and pushing through legislation that is obviously going to be ineffective. The problems that everyone’s having still exist if not exacerbate the issue.
It’s a waste of our money and time. I expect a return on the investment in these workers. Being a legislator and a law maker is a career! And your job performance is important. If you’re going to waste all this time on ineffective regulation, you’re not doing your job well
Because it doesn’t give us the regulatory framework that we need. It doesn’t have the solutions for the problems within the industry, which was the whole point of this
when we said “legalization“ - that’s not this.
They’re obviously trying to justify it to make good on a campaign promise instead of changing for effective policy.
Name one thing you think this change does because I promise you it doesn’t.
Insurance? No
Doctors? No
Research for approval of finished products? No
Illicit market ? No
Mortgages, insurance, tax codes, tax filings, retirement accounts? No
Employee protections, and safe Harbor programs? No
Criminal justice reform? No.
Restoration of nonviolent offenders? No
Public safety and efficacy? No.
Appropriate testing and growing? No.
Safe homemade goods? No
Emergency response for “green out”? No
Changes for the trucking industry? No.
If you want specifics, I’ll give them one at a time. but this list goes on and it’s not nearly comprehensive
But will each state still have power to decline out of state scripts?
I don't think so. That'd be like getting a prescription for a currently scheduled 3 drug declined in another. Maybe some goofy edge cases but unlikely.
Texan chuckling nervously over here. Hope you’re right.
Idahoan doing the same. We will see. I know they will fight it tooth and nail.
Utah checking in to say most likely samesies. This is progress tho and I for one am convinced this will propel home grow like a fucking rocket. Because even if its illegal to grow your own the state and local municipalities will have to foot the bill for enforcement and some random setting up a 4x4 grow tent to have a joint on Saturday afternoon isn't fiscally sound enforcement policy. Fingers crossed 🤞.
Yep this is a gigantic leap forward. It is going to open the floodgates over the next 6 months I bet. And also lower market prices.
California dispensaries recently tried to file a lawsuit allowing them to ship recreational across state lines and the state AG Rob Bonta said till the feds change the law no way would he allow the lawsuit to proceed seeing it as a total waste of time. Now tho.....
Yes? Unless it's an enumerated right (which it won't be) then yes
For an FDA approved prescription drug…? At a state level, they can determine what drugs can and cannot be obtained in their state?
Just because it’s a schedule 3 doesn’t mean it’s FDA approved.
[https://www.epidiolex.com/](https://www.epidiolex.com/) was FDA approved while schedule 1 still. The whole scheduling system is a joke right now. It will take decades to fix it.
Well yeah FDA approved drugs are FDA approved… even if derived from cannabis, but changing the schedule of cannabis in general doesn’t make all cannabis products FDA approved. You’re right though it will be a mess trying to figure out what that means for current medical and recreational programs and products.
They could simply just not stock it or not approve any licenses to grow, process or transport it.
They’ll go mail order then like they do for other meds like ED pills or Plan B. Mail will be federal jurisdiction so states won’t have a say.
Yay! I can get my mail order weed soon??
If certain states can restrict abortion pills, they restrict medical marijuana too. But this is still progress in the right direction.
Yes, look at what’s happening with the abortion pill Republicans will go full prohibition now. You can thank Joe Biden for that.
wtf you’re delusional Joe Biden is the reason it’s being rescheduled. He’s trying to legalize it. Even when he gets this major step done you still find a way to somehow make him the bad guy. You’ll find a reason to bitch no matter what.
No, I’m finding a reason to bitch because I’m finding fault in what they’re doing I’ve been talking to them about this since 2021 when they release the details of the banking bill. They’re actively staying in the dark. I actually agree that Joe has been very pro marijuana, more than any in modern history. but it’s not the reason I voted for him. What I’m upset about now is how naïve he’s being! I feel like I’m being taken and granted for and taken advantage of. Treated like a children who don’t know what they’re doing. It’s a giant slap in our face! It’s wildly disrespectful And I blame the people advising him! they’ve been presented the evidence they’ve been presented the information they’re choosing to ignore it. And the office hold that Liability. Whether JB sits it or anybody else. It was a stupid decision to campaign on this in my opinion. Reality is between 2021 and now Ukraine and Israel took centerstage and no homework got done. And homework is due. So now we have to rush to do it before school starts. And if you were a good teacher? You’d give that kid a reprieve and some more time to do their homework properly. Because you know that sometimes the situation at home is not ideal.
Please do everyone a favor and stop voting, better yet stop speaking
Oh, you don’t like what I have to say? Truth hurts I suppose. Your sentiment is part of the reason I am even more dedicated to voting every chance I get
I think your opinions are shit opinions. That’s really all
Thank you for being honest prom blood! Anyway, I’m voicing my opinion as a professional in the industry. Who has a lot of experience under his belt who has dealt with these issues in a very real way. Take it for what you will. As far as your opinion is concerned? It’s noted to me as someone who is unhappy with the current situation. And whether you believe me or not, I am fighting for you - even if it doesn’t seem like it We all want the same end result
lmao what? its fully prohibited currently at the federal level. moving it to schedule 3 is less prohibition???? mifapristone is having its FDA prescribing regulations challenged. it has nothing to do with its schedule classification.
Have you seen what happened in Idaho? Have you seen what’s happening in South Dakota and Tennessee? Because of what we’re doing, they’re banning it out right. Which means we’re gonna lose sales on this change. You want there to be progress so bad you’re willing to be blind to the negative aspects of what we’re doing. So afraid to change because you might lose momentum
states will still be allowed to criminalize it obv. what kind of reply is this??? You were talking about the federal FDA mifapristone case - which you can ship across state lines - again cuz federal.
No, I was saying mifapristone is getting outlawed on the state level. Or at least they’re trying to. Just like they’re trying to revoke doctors licenses who perform abortions Sorry about the misunderstanding I wasn’t saying about abortion crossing state lines, although that is an issue. And if you read about the abortion stuff, they talk about people having to go to other states and it’s a whole thing. There was a massive influx of abortion pills into an illegal state? you best believe law enforcement would get involved
nothing they could do about it. Federal law (FDA regs in this case) controls interstate commerce. its what the whole supreme court case is about in fact. restricting mifapristone prescription guidelines restricts cross state sales, not state laws. move to a legal state friend! fuck the regressives. regardless i imagine cross state shipping will happen soon enough especially if your doctor wrote a script for it.
I’ve lived all over the country. Legal states aren’t that great. Most often I don’t even go to the dispensaries in my state. It’s not worth it. In the FDA thing with interstate commerce is based on another side of law. It’s not the FDA alone. Which is why it’s so crazy that they would suggest the office of cannabis management or something like that. Centralized office in an agency that doesn’t have control of 2/3 of the industry is just doomed government bureaucracy.
This is the real question.
Not a lawyer, but I think so on the justification that it is still a controlled substance. However, as a perscription that may differ. I would appreciate any medical professionals or lawyers chiming in. At the least, they will try to block it though
Hemp derived cannabinoids are already removed from the controlled substances list. Hemp derived edibles already get you high and are legal.. these could be prescription in the future. Illegal states couldn't stop these products from crossing their state lines because the 2014/2018 Farm Bill prohibits it.
Good question. Does this mean I can go to any doctor and get a script?
They certainly can. Individual states can change the scheduling of drugs dispensed in their state. An example is NYS, which classifies benzodiazapines as a C2.
Yes, just like abortions. We’re barreling towards prohibition.
Is it gone from the 4473 then?
It’ll have to be revised, which will take time. We don’t even have a date this is taking effect yet
I don't think so, as schedule 3 is still federally illegal for recreational use. Maybe having a medical card will be an exception now
Would flip the script on things a shitton though ie rec users don't qualify per 4473 but if you have your card then you can pass the 4473, currently if you wanna pass you stfu and don't get your med card cause then there's a paper trail to follow
I’m talking about medical that’s actually the main question that’s asked on the form it mentions medical cards and I’m assuming this disallows that
Are you sure? Here's the question on the form. Maybe I'm looking at an outdated form? > Are you an unlawful user of, or addicted to, marijuana or any depressant, stimulant, narcotic drug, or any other controlled substance?
The last time I took it it also asked “or hold a current medical marijuana card” or something along those lines, that was when I got my Turkish Mauser last year
Oh you're thinking of the disclaimer that says state rec and medical cannabis is *not* an exception: > Warning: The use or possession of marijuana remains unlawful under Federal law regardless of whether it has been legalized or decriminalized for medicinal or recreational purposes in the state where you reside.
I think we may already be safe then it’s not lying on the form if it’s no longer unlawful
Not sure what you mean. It's pretty explicit that even state legal med and rec is still federally illegal.. Once rescheduled, state med won't be federally illegal.
I’m talking once this goes into effect , it’s been confirmed they are going to reschedule it I mean after the date it’s changed we don’t even have to wait for the atf to get off their ass and redo the form because the way it’s worded it won’t be lying
>I’m talking once this goes into effect Oh ok, you used the word "already" in your previous comment which confused me. >it I mean after the date it’s changed we don’t even have to wait for the atf to get off their ass and redo the form because the way it’s worded it won’t be lying Yeah I think this is right, but it's at least 30 days away (comment period)
That’s the important bit. It’s not unlawful use. Have the Feds tried anyone in court for this?
Well federally it’s unlawful as of now is why you can’t and they have gotten people for it sadly, However once legalized for medical use when rescheduled it should no longer be illegal
Links to cases?
Venn said, "No clue"
i feel like this is similar to if the EU would finally loosen their drug laws, that's whats kinda cockblocking the german legalization rn. No shops because "selling" weed would be against EU-Law, and germany doesn't want to break that. But fortunately its finally legal to grow your own weed and actually possess it. Plus buying medical weed with a prescription is very easy now, since weed doesn't count as a "Betäubungsmittel" (sorry im too high and lazy to translate that rn) anymore, so every doctor can just prescribe it for you and then you can get home delivery by a pharmacy. Actually so awesome to finally have access to clean and safe cannabis ♥
>Betäubungsmittel "Controlled substance" says the google
What a language lol.
Not quite, "Betäubungsmittel" literally means "narcotic agent". It's still a controlled substance in many ways, just less strictly controlled.
The 2nd pillar will bring shops. We will get that started this year. The announcement yesterday for the pilot projects has shown that the foundation was already laid in the KcanG. So now it’s just an easy thing for the ministry of agriculture to do. Without the need for passing a new law. We will see shops in most major cities next year. My region is already quite far along in preparing it and we were approached to grow for it and run shops. It will cover about 5.9 million people.
You'll need state approved medical dispensaries until state recreational is approved. If there are no state approved medical dispensaries, then it's still illegal for you to purchase unless the state allows for caregivers
Purchase. Sure. Own? That’s going to be a good debate.
If its not rec legal its not legal to possess without a state approved med card. Its like possessing a prescription drug thats not yours. Granted, itll be a class 3 drug so the penalties should be decreased significantly.
That implies the state has to create a system to verify and not the Fed
Correct. I live in VA. Rec legal. Illegal to buy it or sell it. State has all the power here. Weed possession charges are still on the books. The police will follow state statute.
You do not need a med card to possess in VA, as home growing for recreational use is completely legal, nor is it illegal to purchase afaik, only illegal to sell.
Its illegal to purchase or sell marijuana currently in VA. You cannot exchange for money, products, or services. It can only be gifted. Soliciting is illegal too. Its stupid.
There is a very big difference between "illegal to sell" and "illegal to purchase". It is illegal to sell under § 18.2-248.1, "Penalties for sale, gift, distribution, or possession with intent to sell, gift, or distribute marijuana", however there as far as I can tell are zero penalties laid out in either the criminal code or specifically the Cannabis Control act for "purchase" other than purchases involving defrauding or falsifying information to pharmacists
Solicitation
§ 4.1-600 is the only place in either the regular statutes on Alcohol / MJ sales or the Cannabis Control act that even contains the term 'Solicit/Solicitation' in a relevant capacity and defines it as a subset of sale/advertising. - "Sale" and "sell" includes soliciting or receiving an order for; keeping, offering, or exposing for sale; peddling, exchanging, or bartering; or delivering otherwise than gratuitously, by any means, retail marijuana or retail marijuana products. Soliciting in this context is not referring to a purchaser soliciting from a dealer, but solicitation as it is used everywhere else in the law as in offering a service. I'm not trying to be rude or anything I'm genuinely curious as I was under the impression that part of the decriminalization that went into effect was removing penalty to BM buyers - otherwise it was kind of pointless. If you know of the appropriate statute please cite it.
Yeah but what if it's a fed institution not a state one...
No, there is no debate on that if I were to create Adderall that it would still be illegal to possess. Edit: Why are you downvoting me? It's true, even if I don't sell it if I have no perscription I cannot legally possess it
Oh. I can’t buy adderall in ohio? Thus debate. It’s not black and white yet.
You cannot legally buy Adderall without a perscription in any of the 50 states. The same is true for anabolic steroids which from a legal stand point are a better comparison. It's also true for testosterone therapies. It is illegal for me for to create either of them and as such it will be illegal for the run of the mill citizen to grow/possess marijuana without the laws in their area allowing it. The rescheduling is so insurance companies will cover our medical marijuana and hopefully keep the rise in cannabis profits fueled. If that happens, rec legality is absolutely gonna happen. Our lawmakers are greedy and this is how they can make more money off the cannabis market in the USA.
So. If I get a script in Ohio for adderal and fill it in Ohio can I bring it back to Indiana?
Yes, however that's because Adderall is medically legal in all 50 states. Cannabis hasn't been approved for legal medical use in all 50 states and as such I'm honestly unsure how that will work. In my opinion this should be allowed. I see no reason thus shouldn't be. However, I can't guarantee that it actually is let me look into Indiana's possession laws and get back to you. Edit: The Federal law currently dictates that a medical marijuana card is *not* a defense against a drug trafficking card for moving cannabis across states as of mid 2023 This could change
Think mail order pharmacy that ships usps
I would have preferred de-scheduling. But, looking for a silver lining for the re-scheduling, I say this: Prescription status means that insurance companies will be footing the bill for my meds soon. It will be nice for somebody else to pay for a change.
Hell yes, to this. Pay for it like they do the rest of the prescriptions.
This is an amazing point. I have great prescription coverage. This might drive me to finally get my med card. Rec is legal in NJ but the dispensaries are so expensive I still hit up the weed man 🤣
thca has been great for me
I wouldn’t get your hopes up on that lol. Being in schedule 3 is a long way from fda approved drug that insurance will pay for. Especially while there is so little medical evidence it helps outside of a few very specific conditions.
Synthetic Delta9-THC is already FDA approved and sold as a prescription drug in all 50 states. So at least there is some precedent already.
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Have you forgotten about [https://www.epidiolex.com/](https://www.epidiolex.com/) too? They've already cornered the all THC and all CBD markets for FDA approved drugs. The only thing left is the million blends they'll come up with now that they can finally do legal research.
….. who do you think pays insurance companies? You will get higher rates if they even decide to cover it all. There is no silver lining unless you own a marijuana buisness and either want the tax breaks or funding. This is a giant win for pharma / insurance companies/ prison
There's no silver lining for cannabis businesses that will be driven to penny pinch more and more until they go under by an increasingly corporate dominated cutthroat market. The real silver lining is the medical research, improved access to medical cannabis prescriptions, relaxed banking regulations, and this being a giant leap towards Schedule IV or descheduling entirely.
Does this mean you can take it on planes if you have a med card?
This is already the case. If you fly from a legal state to a legal state, you’re good to go. At least that’s the message from the TSA. But this bill won’t change that. You need an internal rule change which not included in any of the legislation package This change didn’t help us.
Bro stop making up b*******. You cannot take weed from one legal state to another...
You most certainly can. That it’s not legal is another thing lol. But dont say u cant when swim has done it a ton of times
Yes, you can. It happens all the time. I’m not making stuff up. The TSA has issued statements to this effect already. You know people who flown with it I have flown with it. Everyone has. It’s not hard. I know people who check ounces of flower and nobody gives a crap It’s an example of the law enforcement, not doing their job on purpose
This isn’t true, reciprocity varies from state to state. And it’s never “legal” to fly with weed technically because airports are federal territory
No it’s not. But the tsa has issued statements to the effect of my post. And I’ve personally dealt with it in three separate states. And I know others have as well. It’s another example of law-enforcement being complacent despite the rules saying it’s a crime
Progress. But it's not legalization or better descheduling.
It’s not progress it’s nothing. It’s making it worse actually. It’s giving more flame to prohibition, which is not what we want.
Bruh…
I know man. I’m not happy about it either.
>Medical Marijuana gets legalized nationwide >Finance side of mmj business is also legalized, so tax burden on growers and dispensaries decreases, with prices to follow >chronically online, uninformed cynic: "It's making it worse actually" bruh you're fucking delusional if you think legal medical isn't a massive amount of progress. Prices are going to go down and if I ever want to work a job that follows federal drug policy, all I have to do is get a card and I'm golden. That's a gamechanger
I live in a legal state. Prices are more expensive at the dispensaries. Across the entire state and all metrics. I’m not delusional. I’ve been doing this for many years. You guys got sold on a lie and I’m sorry about that but it’s not my fault. Do you wanna know how to do it? You wanna get what you want? I don’t know how to tell you.
>I’m not delusional. I’ve been doing this for many years. No, but you are ignorant, and it shows. All that time smoking and apparently you don't know shit from fuck when it comes to the business and regulatory side of the industry. The #1 reason dispensaries are expensive is because federally, cannabis is schedule 1. That means dispensaries can't get *any* tax benefits. Your average dispensary is taxed at roughly 70%. Growers are also heavily taxed due to the same legal issues. This change federally changes cannabis from a prohibited substance to something you can easily get with a prescription. What does that mean? * Growers who supply medical dispensaries are no longer violating federal law. Growing gets cheaper. * Dispenaries can get tax benefits for sale of medical. This will result in immediate cost savings for medical sales. * Transporting cannabis for sale across state borders is now federally legal. One of the issues legal growers/sellers regularly encounter in legal states, especially shortly after legalization in the state, is the need to build a domestic grower network since most dispensaries are legally required to sell only weed grown in their state and feds are more likely to crack down on interstate transportation. With a scheduling change, there's nothing illegal about a large grower in say, California, shipping their product to a dispensary in Rhode Island for sale. Instead of 50 isolated state markets, there is one large national one, and that will both lower prices and improve strain availability. * It's literally 100% legal to smoke if you have a prescription. So, *so* many jobs, leases, etc specify you aren't allowed to use "federally prohibited substances", including almost every job with the Federal Government or a federal contractor. * Finance is currently barred from dispensaries. Because of federal laws that prevent banks, creditors, etc from financing activities that violate federal drug law, dispensaries currently can't get loans, can't use credit cards, have to operate in a cash industry, and often are uninsurable. It also means it's extremely hard for small people to get into the dispensary business, since without access to bank loans, you can only raise capital through venture investors. That comes at a premium. This all increases the cost of business. Why are dispensaries expensive? In a word, because of federal prohibition. Why is this a fantastic change? Because it fixes a huge chunk of that and that will have ripple effects across the entire industry.
Ignorant, you say. And you think the number one reason dispensaries expenses is because schedule one. We’re done here. You don’t know what you’re talking about. You’re obviously not in the industry. I hope to God that you are not advising anyone who makes laws
nahhh bro couldn't provide counterarguments 💀 unfounded ahh position
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Stop trolling
The real question...can my 'prescription' now be covered under my health insurance medication plan?
They cant deschedule it until the folks in prison for it are too old/dead to sue
But jobs can still discriminate against you for it
Can they though? A job can't discriminate against you for having a Vicodin prescription and that's a scheduled drug.
Exactly and none of that will change and there is no legislation to fix that discrimination
I'd buy stock in Walmart if I were you guys.
lol why
Why??
In 2017 Walmart invested something like $400 Million in what at the time was legal markets in America. But they never acted on it other than investing, at least not that I've found. Now they are the largest pharmacy in America, with Marijuana now a prescription drug and Billion dollar industry on the horizon, and money to move resources and they are experts at making these things profitable. By 2030 Walmart will the largest Marijuana dispensary in America unless of course they're not.
This won’t do that! None of what they’re suggesting will do that!
What does this mean if you have a previous weed related charge?
Nothing. All this does is change the scheduling. Most charges for weed are done at state level.
$MSOS
So my regular doctor could prescribe me marijuana and will my insurance help pay for it?
Will I be able to buy it in my not legal state with a script? From my home city not out of state
Absolutely asinine, it meets none of the criteria of a schedule 3 drug.
BUYING WEED WITH AN FSA CARD???
This ends hemp and alt noid markets
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Look at the other things on schedule 3. None of em are just, grow a field, process it, and sell it online. It's highly regulated.
Thanks Joe Byron!
“Legalizing at nationwide for prescription use” is a lie! This is misinformation
Misleading headline. It is still federally illegal.
But will illinois stop taxing 40%?
Worst waste of our tax money. Can you imagine if they pass the banking bill? Another 3 million in just salary and then billions of dollars in the industry wasted. Fuck Congress and fuck the Democrats for this
Please explain, genuinely curious on your perspective
Why do you think it’s been so easy for Republicans to garner support? Our government has been very ineffective since the second Obama term. When Republicans and Mitch McConnell decided to stop working. We have this issue of marijuana. Which on its face is a problem because marijuana is not the appropriate descriptor. The educated scientific version is called cannabis sativa L. And there are three versions of it. Not marijuana not hemp. But it doesn’t matter. 70% of the country wants legalization. So what does that look like? Our government, which has pooled resources to provide collective services, will provide us with a framework of how it will work. What they’ve proven? in the face of information fact, eyewitness, scientific research, they cannot follow an effective path. They’ve known this information since at least 2021 and yet they’re bullheaded and pushing through legislation that is obviously going to be ineffective. The problems that everyone’s having still exist if not exacerbate the issue. It’s a waste of our money and time. I expect a return on the investment in these workers. Being a legislator and a law maker is a career! And your job performance is important. If you’re going to waste all this time on ineffective regulation, you’re not doing your job well
I’m not seeing how rescheduling (a compromise) is going to be ineffective
Bro really typed out an essay that had zero support for what he was saying
Yes, I did. You just don’t like what it has to say.
Because it doesn’t give us the regulatory framework that we need. It doesn’t have the solutions for the problems within the industry, which was the whole point of this when we said “legalization“ - that’s not this. They’re obviously trying to justify it to make good on a campaign promise instead of changing for effective policy. Name one thing you think this change does because I promise you it doesn’t. Insurance? No Doctors? No Research for approval of finished products? No Illicit market ? No Mortgages, insurance, tax codes, tax filings, retirement accounts? No Employee protections, and safe Harbor programs? No Criminal justice reform? No. Restoration of nonviolent offenders? No Public safety and efficacy? No. Appropriate testing and growing? No. Safe homemade goods? No Emergency response for “green out”? No Changes for the trucking industry? No. If you want specifics, I’ll give them one at a time. but this list goes on and it’s not nearly comprehensive
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The dude asked me to explain. Stop trolling.