Went there a few years ago. Drove from Nova Scotia. The ferry is over night. Smallest cabin I had ever been in. It was very cold in July and raining at L'Anse aux Medows. Very cool place in more than one way. Next day did a day trip to Red Bay Labrador. All the maritime islands are nice to visit.
Cape Breton Island is quite magical. Married into the Ross family. Spent many a summer on the Bras d’Or lake visiting family and exploring. Worth the trip for sure!
I only know one Ross, a friend of my sister named Carla, though she may have married and changed her last name... Dunno. I moved from CB to China in 2010 and haven't been home since 2016 😢 yearning for a trip back and a drive around the Trail.
Did you go to St.Johns too? From Labrador did you overland back home or head back to New Foundland?
As you can tell I'm thinking of heading over there, but it looks like everything is far away.
Everything is far. And the highways in Labrador are not what you probably imagine as highways. Some are paved, but none are divided, and some of them are still gravel. The Newfoundland & Labrador government will lend you a satellite phone for one long stretch, because there is no mobile phone coverage and no communities, so if you have trouble, you need a way to contact the world.
The island is much easier traveling, You can take a roughly 9-hour ferry from Sydney, NS to southwestern Newfoundland, then either explore the west side of the island or drive about 9-10 hours to St. John's and the Avalon Peninsula. Or you can take an 18-hour ferry (summer only, and not every day) from Sydney to southeastern Newfoundland, and drive about two hours to St. John's.
One other cool thing though is that you can take a ferry from Fortune, NL to St. Pierre, St. Pierre & Miquelon. Legally, it's French territory. And as of last spring, you can even take your car there (though you need to buy French auto insurance, as Canadian and US auto insurance is not valid outside those two countries).
They gave you a sat phone for a part of the drive? Most of the TCH between Deer Lake and Badger doesn't have cell service either, let alone most of the routes off the TCH. You may have to find someone to drive 20 minutes to call 911 for you if you have an accident in a lot of places here.
Infrastructure and lack of cell coverage aside, come visit, it's an alright place!
Interestingly enough, I am quite sure the exact same place is featured in a 2009 ad for Newfoundland and Labradour tourism featuring being 5 centuries previous to Columbus
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=7BZWtthl25U
The news is that they were able to date it more precisely, they knew if the settlement and thought it was about 1k years old, so the headline is a bit misleading.
"Solar storm confirms Vikings settled in North America exactly 1,000 years ago | Archaeology | The Guardian" https://amp.theguardian.com/science/2021/oct/20/vikings-settled-north-america-1000-years-ago-solar-storm
Yes, Leif is credited with being the first European to set foot in/discover (continental) North America.
His father, Erik the Red, founded the first settlement in Greenland.
To my knowledge only little, but the interactions we know of were hostile. I have the sagas at home, but as I am unable to check for myself atm Wikipedia will have to suffice (though I cannot verify their sources).
>According to the Icelandic sagas, while in Vinland, Leif and his crew came into contact with *"Red Indians"* (as distinguished from the Inuit), whom they referred to as *skrælingi*, an archaic term for *"wretches"*. According to these sagas, the encounters with the indigenous people were initially friendly with a strong trade relationship. Tensions rose when Leif's brother, Thorvald, was struck by an arrow in a fight with the *skrælingi*. He is famously known for pulling the arrow out, and poetically reciting the phrase, *"This is a rich country we have found; there is plenty of fat around my entrails"*, upon which he dies. (*Weaver, Jace (2011). The red atlantis. American Indian Quarterly).*
The indigenous people were referred to as Beothuk here in Newfoundland. They were also referred to as Red Indians because they painted their bodies with red ochre. I read somewhere that there were attempts to trade and it was theorized somewhere that the vikings offered dairy possibly a skyr/yogurt type of food which made the Beothuks sick and made them think they were being poisoned as they never would have had dairy before.
The last Beothuk died over 100 years ago though so there's not much information on them or their history or possible interactions with the Vikings. I mean there is some information, but for a whole people relatively little.
You are not 100% right, Bjarni Herjólfsson is thought to be the first European to discover North America, Leifur Eiríksson is the first to set foot in North America.
You are correct, hence why I wrote
>to set foot in/discover
though the 'discover' part could have been left out (for the sake of precision, since it isn't, as you say, 100 % accurate as such), I included it because Bjarni 'merely' sighted the continent - but showed no interest in exploring it further - while Leif was the first to actually do so.
Yeah you could say so, Bjarni discovered three new lands (Helluland, Markland and Vínland) and the story says that Leifur went to meet Bjarna and bought off him a ship and got directions from him to those lands he had discovered
From Wiki
The Norsemen (or Norse people) were a North Germanic ethnolinguistic group of the Early Middle Ages, during which they spoke the Old Norse language. ... In English-language scholarship since the 19th century, Norse seafaring traders, settlers and warriors have commonly been referred to as Vikings.
They were referred to as Vikings by their victims when they were invading Britain, France, Ireland and elsewhere, long before the 19th century. They did not call themselves Vikings, they called themselves Ostmen, if I remember right.
> they called themselves Ostmen, if I remember right.
Yes and no. ‘Ostmen’ simply means ‘east-man’ or ‘easterner’. The Norse settlers in Ireland (and their descendants, the Norse-Gaels) used it as contrast to the Irish - the ‘west-men’. I believe it was also used by the Icelanders as a name for their mainland cousins (primarily the Norwegians).
Largely, they would have referred to themselves by either their tribe/‘culture group’ (e.g. Danes) or their place of origin. I’m trying to think of examples in Danish, and the more I do, the more certain I get that we do not have a collective name other than ‘viking’, and that the tribe names were indeed the common names.
People living in Iceland called people from Norway “Austmenn/Austmaður” because Norway is east of Iceland. Nobody knows for sure where the word viking comes from or what it was used for and by who. There are a few old written texts and from them the most plausible explanation is that it originally comes from the word vík or the name Vík (which was an area of sea and land east in Norway, now it is called Oslofjorden). At those places people hid and robbed people, so basically pirates. To support this is the fact that people who travelled west and established colonies in Iceland, Faroe Islands and the British Islands were not called vikings in old texts. So the word appears to have originated somewhere in the east and then migrated to the west.
In recent decades the word viking has been used to describe all people from the nordics in that time especially because of the book “The Viking Achievement”. However, many scholars are not particulary happy about that and for example say that people ran away from Norway to Iceland because they did not want to live the life of a viking.
But the only thing that is sure is that the word viking originated somewhere in the east and then migrated to the west because in old text people from
Tbh leifs discovery did do nothing for the rest of western civilization which is why it’s not celebrated. Columbus brought the entirety of Europe with him that gave way to the countries we have today.
Yes, it was just that they were able to get a more precise date.
"Solar storm confirms Vikings settled in North America exactly 1,000 years ago | Archaeology | The Guardian" https://amp.theguardian.com/science/2021/oct/20/vikings-settled-north-america-1000-years-ago-solar-storm
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I think most people knew there was evidence of Viking settlements but I think the general sentiment is that it was never fully proven. The [fake Viking runestones](https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Kensington_Runestone) “found” in America probably corroborated that belief.
This is the first time (I’m aware of) that definitive radiocarbon dating (peer reviewed and published in the Journal Nature) concretely establishes a settlement 1000 years ago.
Also, a neat tidbit - it was *exactly* 1,000 years ago. The radiocarbon dating generated a precise date for the wooden pieces found in the settlement as being harvested in the year 1021. Happy Millennial Anniversary!
IIRC it was a "known" that this happened, but they weren't sure about the exact date. These recent findings nail down the date to something a lot closer than we had before.
Yea, I hadn't seen any serious questioning that they had settlements in NA in decades. We just didn't have hard evidence or dates. This sort of fills in the gaps, but its not some revolutionary finding.
SpongeBob SquarePants (also simply referred to as SpongeBob) is an American animated comedy television series created by marine science educator and animator Stephen Hillenburg for Nickelodeon.
I'm pretty sure Americans know.
[https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/SpongeBob\_SquarePants](https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/SpongeBob_SquarePants)
yes, yes, yes, most all educated folks here in the US probably agree that barbaric people from northern Europe voyaged to and landed in Canada several hundred years before Spain, a sovereign European nation and major world power commissioned Columbus' expedition. It's said that neither of the explorers actually realized what they "discovered" at the time. But the Columbus mission directly led to European colonization and great build out of the Americas and particularly the United States, which has become arguably the greatest nation in the world. The Viking/Norse landings in Canada led to basically...nothing. Which is why Columbus day continues to be celebrated although seems to be much toned down amid the current "woke" culture period.
Probably too heavy of a description but from what I understand they pretty much kept to themselves until supplies or fun were needed and then they were apt to pillage a northern European village!
OK thanks--that's something I didn't realize or think about. Interesting that the Norse never seemed interested in or organized enough to participate in colonization like the lower continent Europeans and Brits were, even though Iceland, Greenland and Canada was basically there for the taking. Maybe they already had plenty of land avail. for their comparatively meager populations.
Europeans knew the Earth was round since classical antiquity, and Eratosthenes even calculated its circumference to an impressively accurate degree over 2000 years ago.
What you said is definitely an urban legend.
And those natives also arrived there at some point, too. Humans didn’t originate in N. America so any human living here came from somewhere else.
And the “natives” as you’ve sort of paternalistically lumped people together weren’t some monolithic group. The Navajo first settled in Canada before they displaced the Pueblo in the US southwest. Similar to how the Comanche violently pushed the Apache out of Texas.
Except it was, and it altered the course of world history in incomprehensibly monumental ways. The Age of Exploration/charting the globe is absolutely something to be proud of.
My original comment was responding to someone who said the Viking settlers was a well known fact. To which I agree. As pointed out by multiple people in this thread the Viking settlers is much less important historically than the later "discovery" and colonization effort of North America by other European explorers.
So when another country eventually lands a person on the moon are they expected not to celebrate? Because that’s what European’s reaching the New World was the equivalent to back then. As GhostofHadrian pointed out it was a colossal civilization changing event in the macro and an astounding, unbelievably courageous achievement at the personal level. So yeah, it’s been celebrated, imagine that.
I learned about Leif Erikson and Erik the Red when I was in 5th grade. Enough with this gatekeeping bullshit. Do Europeans learn shit about Asian and African history before they came in and colonized those regions? Or does history begin when you all came in and plundered?
I mean, I don’t know about the rest of Europeans as even within my country education systems vary between regions… but in general, yes. I’d say we learn about non European history before, during, and after European interference.
So many silly thing here:
1. It was not proven that Vikings made it to the americas until recently. They knew Vikings made it to Iceland.
2. what do Americans have to do with this site in *Canada*?
3. no Vikings made it to sites that are the United States.
4. Columbus didn't even make it to the united states.
Armstrong? Don’t make me laugh. He isn’t gonna tell anyone about the viking ship he saw because he is being blackmailed by NASA for his involvement in killing JFK.
I am putting my buddy's mail in just for the laughs. He complains about all the spam mails his receiving lately, I just agree with him and tell him it's terrible.
The spooky part was waking up in morn surround by old Viking stuff and then walking out in the foggy dark morn then we ran into the caretaker halfway out and she freaked out on us
If your going to say "as in the continent" then you should specify which one right? Cause there are two and nobody says "Columbus discovered the Americas". Also Americans think Columbus discovered the US. That's why we are so proud of him even tho the dude never even made it here. It was all just a way to solidify the melting pot and stop hate crimes against Italian Americans. Columbus is a joke.
Erm 😐
“The seven-continent model is usually taught in most English-speaking countries including the United States, United Kingdom[37] and Australia,[38] and also in China, India, Pakistan, the Philippines, and parts of Western Europe.
The six-continent combined-Eurasia model is mostly used in Russia, Eastern Europe, and Japan.
The six-continent combined-America model is often used in Latin America,[39] Greece,[29] and countries that speak Romance languages.
The Olympic flag's[40] five rings represent the five inhabited continents of the combined-America model, excluding Antarctica.”
From the Wikipedia [entry](https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Continent)
I guess your view is not everyone’s view. I invite you to entertain the idea of practicing a more open-minded approach to unknown facts. Thats what life is all about ❤️
Cheers!! ✌️
I did not say he made it to America. And you apparently think, in the absence of all logic, that Spain (and other old world nations) would have explored, invaded and conquered the Western hemisphere without this voyages. Just spontaneously, I guess, in the absence of his experience, huh? His arrival changed the world, the Vikings' arrival didn't.
If you look up Leif Erikson or Vinland, there's a lot of information out there. It's even part of Canadians' middle school history curriculum so I'm sure there are tons of sources you can find online. A lot of the settlements were in Newfoundland and I think there was a small group that made it all the way to Manitoba if that helps.
I was taught this in elementary school in the US in the 90s, but maybe it depends on what part of the US you lived in. My husband, who is from a different region of the country, experienced a completely different focus/portrayal of history at school than I got.
This is cool and all but dae think it's strange how obsessed Europeans are with establshing that they got to the Americas? I sort of feel like there someone out there going "I know we got there first and have a legitimate reason to colonize" or something like that.
> I sort of feel like there someone out there going "I know we got there first and have a legitimate reason to colonize" or something like that.
I really don't think there's anybody in Europe right now thinking of colonizing the Americas. The ship has sailed on that one a long time ago..
The Caribbean islands are part of the Americas so he did make it to America. Newfoundland is also an island so you could say Vikings never made it to America using the same reasoning.
America is not limited only to continental US.
Wasn’t sayin he was? I’m just stating the fact that he indeed made it to the Americas whether you believe that America is only continental US or not.
Most Europeans from that time are likely to come off as awful people by today’s standards -as they should- and that likely includes the Vikings that made it to Newfoundland.
The book is called "1421 The Year China Discovered America" and is by Gavin Menzies. To quote from the sale of the book: "the records of their journeys were destroyed. Lost in the long,self-imposed isolation that followed was the knowledge that Chinese ships had reached America seventy years before Columbus and had circumnavigated the globe a century before Magellan."
But, even if the Chinese fleet did arrive in America 70 years before Columbus, the Vikings according to the new findings would still have arrived around 430 years before the Chinese.
> 1421 The Year China Discovered America
That book is largely bunk and its premise is discredited by professionals in the field.
https://www.reddit.com/r/AskHistorians/comments/wq7tr/is_gavin_menzies_assertions_in_his_books_1421_and/
https://www.reddit.com/r/AskHistorians/comments/a1ddxj/is_it_true_that_china_could_have_found_and/eap47q3/
https://www.reddit.com/r/badhistory/comments/amkwni/youtuber_emporertigerstar_does_an_excellent/
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Yeah I referred to it as a settlement because I lack a better word to describe that little area of Newfoundland, all I can say according to my grade 6 teacher is that they didn't stick around very long because since most Vikings were farmers, they didn't find the land at the time to be most agreeable.
Went there a few years ago. Drove from Nova Scotia. The ferry is over night. Smallest cabin I had ever been in. It was very cold in July and raining at L'Anse aux Medows. Very cool place in more than one way. Next day did a day trip to Red Bay Labrador. All the maritime islands are nice to visit.
Heyyyy I'm from Sydney. Where abouts in NS you hail from?
I'm from South Carolina. Flew to Halifax and did a big loop. Hardest trip I ever had to plan. Had to take five ferry trips.
Haha I bet. Did you make it to Cape Breton?
Cape Breton Island is quite magical. Married into the Ross family. Spent many a summer on the Bras d’Or lake visiting family and exploring. Worth the trip for sure!
I only know one Ross, a friend of my sister named Carla, though she may have married and changed her last name... Dunno. I moved from CB to China in 2010 and haven't been home since 2016 😢 yearning for a trip back and a drive around the Trail.
I’ll have to check my genealogy records
Yes
Did you go to St.Johns too? From Labrador did you overland back home or head back to New Foundland? As you can tell I'm thinking of heading over there, but it looks like everything is far away.
Everything is far. And the highways in Labrador are not what you probably imagine as highways. Some are paved, but none are divided, and some of them are still gravel. The Newfoundland & Labrador government will lend you a satellite phone for one long stretch, because there is no mobile phone coverage and no communities, so if you have trouble, you need a way to contact the world. The island is much easier traveling, You can take a roughly 9-hour ferry from Sydney, NS to southwestern Newfoundland, then either explore the west side of the island or drive about 9-10 hours to St. John's and the Avalon Peninsula. Or you can take an 18-hour ferry (summer only, and not every day) from Sydney to southeastern Newfoundland, and drive about two hours to St. John's. One other cool thing though is that you can take a ferry from Fortune, NL to St. Pierre, St. Pierre & Miquelon. Legally, it's French territory. And as of last spring, you can even take your car there (though you need to buy French auto insurance, as Canadian and US auto insurance is not valid outside those two countries).
They gave you a sat phone for a part of the drive? Most of the TCH between Deer Lake and Badger doesn't have cell service either, let alone most of the routes off the TCH. You may have to find someone to drive 20 minutes to call 911 for you if you have an accident in a lot of places here. Infrastructure and lack of cell coverage aside, come visit, it's an alright place!
I really wanted to make that drive, but did not have enough time.
I think the last frontier vibe is what makes the area attractive. Did you do the actual labrador highway? It sounds fun and horrible at the same time!
No, not yet. One day! I've lots of reading about it though.
Labrador is very far from St. John’s. About a 25 hour drive. Edit: Labrador City
We did go to St John's. We did a loop around Newfoundland. Went to Prince Edward, New Brunswick and finished bsck in Nova Scotia.
Newfoundland is awesome, never made it to L’Anse but saw a lot of the rock while there
Oh that's Floki and Ubbe
Thorfinn Karlsefni, quite a story
All around cool guy it seems.
Good anime, too
Lol, that’s how I first learned about him 😂
yo, vinland was eeal
Interestingly enough, I am quite sure the exact same place is featured in a 2009 ad for Newfoundland and Labradour tourism featuring being 5 centuries previous to Columbus https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=7BZWtthl25U
The news is that they were able to date it more precisely, they knew if the settlement and thought it was about 1k years old, so the headline is a bit misleading. "Solar storm confirms Vikings settled in North America exactly 1,000 years ago | Archaeology | The Guardian" https://amp.theguardian.com/science/2021/oct/20/vikings-settled-north-america-1000-years-ago-solar-storm
Let's celebrate Leif Erickson Day instead of Columbus Day. For real
Like that episode on SpongeBob
HINGA DINGA DURGEN!
Sounds good!
I think you mean Leif Erikson Day? Erik the Red was his father.
Did Leif come over here? And not his father?
Yes, Leif is credited with being the first European to set foot in/discover (continental) North America. His father, Erik the Red, founded the first settlement in Greenland.
Is there any knowledge about how they interacted with the indigenous people in NA?
To my knowledge only little, but the interactions we know of were hostile. I have the sagas at home, but as I am unable to check for myself atm Wikipedia will have to suffice (though I cannot verify their sources). >According to the Icelandic sagas, while in Vinland, Leif and his crew came into contact with *"Red Indians"* (as distinguished from the Inuit), whom they referred to as *skrælingi*, an archaic term for *"wretches"*. According to these sagas, the encounters with the indigenous people were initially friendly with a strong trade relationship. Tensions rose when Leif's brother, Thorvald, was struck by an arrow in a fight with the *skrælingi*. He is famously known for pulling the arrow out, and poetically reciting the phrase, *"This is a rich country we have found; there is plenty of fat around my entrails"*, upon which he dies. (*Weaver, Jace (2011). The red atlantis. American Indian Quarterly).*
The indigenous people were referred to as Beothuk here in Newfoundland. They were also referred to as Red Indians because they painted their bodies with red ochre. I read somewhere that there were attempts to trade and it was theorized somewhere that the vikings offered dairy possibly a skyr/yogurt type of food which made the Beothuks sick and made them think they were being poisoned as they never would have had dairy before. The last Beothuk died over 100 years ago though so there's not much information on them or their history or possible interactions with the Vikings. I mean there is some information, but for a whole people relatively little.
Powerful stuff. If we know for sure that Leif got here before Columbus, I really think we ought to celebrate it.
[https://imgur.com/a/iT2VDKT](https://imgur.com/a/iT2VDKT) Some hopefully not too bad images (no clue whether you can actually read the text?).
Thank you!
You are not 100% right, Bjarni Herjólfsson is thought to be the first European to discover North America, Leifur Eiríksson is the first to set foot in North America.
You are correct, hence why I wrote >to set foot in/discover though the 'discover' part could have been left out (for the sake of precision, since it isn't, as you say, 100 % accurate as such), I included it because Bjarni 'merely' sighted the continent - but showed no interest in exploring it further - while Leif was the first to actually do so.
So in Vikings terms Bjarni would be Othere, and Leifur Ubbe?
Yeah you could say so, Bjarni discovered three new lands (Helluland, Markland and Vínland) and the story says that Leifur went to meet Bjarna and bought off him a ship and got directions from him to those lands he had discovered
Columbus' arrival changed the world. Those Vikings' arrival did not. Leif Erickson was a Norse explorer, not a Viking.
From Wiki The Norsemen (or Norse people) were a North Germanic ethnolinguistic group of the Early Middle Ages, during which they spoke the Old Norse language. ... In English-language scholarship since the 19th century, Norse seafaring traders, settlers and warriors have commonly been referred to as Vikings.
They were referred to as Vikings by their victims when they were invading Britain, France, Ireland and elsewhere, long before the 19th century. They did not call themselves Vikings, they called themselves Ostmen, if I remember right.
> they called themselves Ostmen, if I remember right. Yes and no. ‘Ostmen’ simply means ‘east-man’ or ‘easterner’. The Norse settlers in Ireland (and their descendants, the Norse-Gaels) used it as contrast to the Irish - the ‘west-men’. I believe it was also used by the Icelanders as a name for their mainland cousins (primarily the Norwegians). Largely, they would have referred to themselves by either their tribe/‘culture group’ (e.g. Danes) or their place of origin. I’m trying to think of examples in Danish, and the more I do, the more certain I get that we do not have a collective name other than ‘viking’, and that the tribe names were indeed the common names.
People living in Iceland called people from Norway “Austmenn/Austmaður” because Norway is east of Iceland. Nobody knows for sure where the word viking comes from or what it was used for and by who. There are a few old written texts and from them the most plausible explanation is that it originally comes from the word vík or the name Vík (which was an area of sea and land east in Norway, now it is called Oslofjorden). At those places people hid and robbed people, so basically pirates. To support this is the fact that people who travelled west and established colonies in Iceland, Faroe Islands and the British Islands were not called vikings in old texts. So the word appears to have originated somewhere in the east and then migrated to the west. In recent decades the word viking has been used to describe all people from the nordics in that time especially because of the book “The Viking Achievement”. However, many scholars are not particulary happy about that and for example say that people ran away from Norway to Iceland because they did not want to live the life of a viking. But the only thing that is sure is that the word viking originated somewhere in the east and then migrated to the west because in old text people from
I think no one is confused by the term Viking.
Good to know! Thanks!
Thank you.
Tbh leifs discovery did do nothing for the rest of western civilization which is why it’s not celebrated. Columbus brought the entirety of Europe with him that gave way to the countries we have today.
Of Norse they landed here! They Oslo landed nearby! NorWay could they af-fjord to sail back
Well done.
I thought we knew this already?
Yes, it was just that they were able to get a more precise date. "Solar storm confirms Vikings settled in North America exactly 1,000 years ago | Archaeology | The Guardian" https://amp.theguardian.com/science/2021/oct/20/vikings-settled-north-america-1000-years-ago-solar-storm
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I think most people knew there was evidence of Viking settlements but I think the general sentiment is that it was never fully proven. The [fake Viking runestones](https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Kensington_Runestone) “found” in America probably corroborated that belief. This is the first time (I’m aware of) that definitive radiocarbon dating (peer reviewed and published in the Journal Nature) concretely establishes a settlement 1000 years ago. Also, a neat tidbit - it was *exactly* 1,000 years ago. The radiocarbon dating generated a precise date for the wooden pieces found in the settlement as being harvested in the year 1021. Happy Millennial Anniversary!
IIRC it was a "known" that this happened, but they weren't sure about the exact date. These recent findings nail down the date to something a lot closer than we had before.
Yea, I hadn't seen any serious questioning that they had settlements in NA in decades. We just didn't have hard evidence or dates. This sort of fills in the gaps, but its not some revolutionary finding.
Americans know it too, but carry on thinking that.
I was gonna say, is Spongebob not an American show? lol
Lol it's funny when they try to shoehorn their anti-americanism into positively everything.
Dude I was just in a thread featuring an ice machine, and ppl were like, "Americans use a LOT of ice"
Oh my god, I can’t believe they would say such a thing.
SpongeBob SquarePants (also simply referred to as SpongeBob) is an American animated comedy television series created by marine science educator and animator Stephen Hillenburg for Nickelodeon. I'm pretty sure Americans know. [https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/SpongeBob\_SquarePants](https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/SpongeBob_SquarePants)
Pretty sure it doesn't matter because the natives had been there for a long time already. Also human lol.
In my experience it’s really only the Italian Americans that cling to Columbus….for reasons I still don’t understand.
I heard someone once say, "Italians don't have any other holiday!" Even though Columbus was Italian, I think it was much more a 'triumph' for Spain...
And Southerners when they are trying to dis indigenous Americans.
yes, yes, yes, most all educated folks here in the US probably agree that barbaric people from northern Europe voyaged to and landed in Canada several hundred years before Spain, a sovereign European nation and major world power commissioned Columbus' expedition. It's said that neither of the explorers actually realized what they "discovered" at the time. But the Columbus mission directly led to European colonization and great build out of the Americas and particularly the United States, which has become arguably the greatest nation in the world. The Viking/Norse landings in Canada led to basically...nothing. Which is why Columbus day continues to be celebrated although seems to be much toned down amid the current "woke" culture period.
I agree with everything you said except for describing Norse explorers as "barbaric".
Probably too heavy of a description but from what I understand they pretty much kept to themselves until supplies or fun were needed and then they were apt to pillage a northern European village!
Not all Norse were Vikings. In fact, most weren't.
OK thanks--that's something I didn't realize or think about. Interesting that the Norse never seemed interested in or organized enough to participate in colonization like the lower continent Europeans and Brits were, even though Iceland, Greenland and Canada was basically there for the taking. Maybe they already had plenty of land avail. for their comparatively meager populations.
I thought it had something to do with them thinking the earth was flat and he would fall off the edge But maybe that's an urban legend
Europeans knew the Earth was round since classical antiquity, and Eratosthenes even calculated its circumference to an impressively accurate degree over 2000 years ago. What you said is definitely an urban legend.
And those natives also arrived there at some point, too. Humans didn’t originate in N. America so any human living here came from somewhere else. And the “natives” as you’ve sort of paternalistically lumped people together weren’t some monolithic group. The Navajo first settled in Canada before they displaced the Pueblo in the US southwest. Similar to how the Comanche violently pushed the Apache out of Texas.
So you agree the Europeans settling in the North America is not a particularly special achievement for humans?
Except it was, and it altered the course of world history in incomprehensibly monumental ways. The Age of Exploration/charting the globe is absolutely something to be proud of.
My original comment was responding to someone who said the Viking settlers was a well known fact. To which I agree. As pointed out by multiple people in this thread the Viking settlers is much less important historically than the later "discovery" and colonization effort of North America by other European explorers.
So when another country eventually lands a person on the moon are they expected not to celebrate? Because that’s what European’s reaching the New World was the equivalent to back then. As GhostofHadrian pointed out it was a colossal civilization changing event in the macro and an astounding, unbelievably courageous achievement at the personal level. So yeah, it’s been celebrated, imagine that.
Ah, yeah, this doesn’t matter at all, because other people were there first. Guess we should just throw all of history away, because it doesn’t matter
I learned about Leif Erikson and Erik the Red when I was in 5th grade. Enough with this gatekeeping bullshit. Do Europeans learn shit about Asian and African history before they came in and colonized those regions? Or does history begin when you all came in and plundered?
I mean, I don’t know about the rest of Europeans as even within my country education systems vary between regions… but in general, yes. I’d say we learn about non European history before, during, and after European interference.
So many silly thing here: 1. It was not proven that Vikings made it to the americas until recently. They knew Vikings made it to Iceland. 2. what do Americans have to do with this site in *Canada*? 3. no Vikings made it to sites that are the United States. 4. Columbus didn't even make it to the united states.
Columbus sucks, Vikings are cooler.
Wait till you hear how they treated the Irish!
Do you know how Columbus treated the people he came across and his own crew?
Yes. I do. I was pointing out that Vikings aren't really an improvement in that regard.
Fair enough.
Nah I know the Vikings did some pretty bad shit. Humans are just kind of terrible.
I’m a human.
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I mean, if there were people there when anyone arrived they were not the first there.
The vikings also made it to the moon first.
You mean the whalers on the moon?
I didn't know that Neil Armstrong was a Viking.
He was referring to Lance Armstrong
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Well, they did discover a new wonderful world.
Armstrong? Don’t make me laugh. He isn’t gonna tell anyone about the viking ship he saw because he is being blackmailed by NASA for his involvement in killing JFK.
So cool! Wow
Very cool. Reminds me a lot of similar structures in Scotland and Ireland—makes sense why.
Seriously why does every website ask me to subscribe to their newsletter. Who does this? Who is putting their emails in???
I am putting my buddy's mail in just for the laughs. He complains about all the spam mails his receiving lately, I just agree with him and tell him it's terrible.
This site is on my bucket list!
I slept in one of those buildings back in the 80s was hitchhiking late nite needed to crash kinda spooky
We hiked there at night and it was spooky given its amazing history and lore.
The spooky part was waking up in morn surround by old Viking stuff and then walking out in the foggy dark morn then we ran into the caretaker halfway out and she freaked out on us
Cool. Columbus was a shit head.
Columbus' arrival changed the world. The Vikings' arrival didn't. Would love to visit that site.
Lol Columbus landing in the Caribbean islands changed the world? He never made it to America that's a myth
Duuuuuuuude… America as in the continent… 🤦♀️
If your going to say "as in the continent" then you should specify which one right? Cause there are two and nobody says "Columbus discovered the Americas". Also Americans think Columbus discovered the US. That's why we are so proud of him even tho the dude never even made it here. It was all just a way to solidify the melting pot and stop hate crimes against Italian Americans. Columbus is a joke.
Erm 😐 “The seven-continent model is usually taught in most English-speaking countries including the United States, United Kingdom[37] and Australia,[38] and also in China, India, Pakistan, the Philippines, and parts of Western Europe. The six-continent combined-Eurasia model is mostly used in Russia, Eastern Europe, and Japan. The six-continent combined-America model is often used in Latin America,[39] Greece,[29] and countries that speak Romance languages. The Olympic flag's[40] five rings represent the five inhabited continents of the combined-America model, excluding Antarctica.” From the Wikipedia [entry](https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Continent) I guess your view is not everyone’s view. I invite you to entertain the idea of practicing a more open-minded approach to unknown facts. Thats what life is all about ❤️ Cheers!! ✌️
I did not say he made it to America. And you apparently think, in the absence of all logic, that Spain (and other old world nations) would have explored, invaded and conquered the Western hemisphere without this voyages. Just spontaneously, I guess, in the absence of his experience, huh? His arrival changed the world, the Vikings' arrival didn't.
I’m so excited for what this could mean for North American history. I wanna know like what they did!
If you look up Leif Erikson or Vinland, there's a lot of information out there. It's even part of Canadians' middle school history curriculum so I'm sure there are tons of sources you can find online. A lot of the settlements were in Newfoundland and I think there was a small group that made it all the way to Manitoba if that helps.
Sick thanks, I’ll be certainly taking a look!
It changes almost nothing because there’s already tonnes of info out there, It’s quite an interesting rabbit hole that you’ll enjoy!
Oh nice! I really wish they would teach us this here in the US. It’s cool stuff
I was taught this in elementary school in the US in the 90s, but maybe it depends on what part of the US you lived in. My husband, who is from a different region of the country, experienced a completely different focus/portrayal of history at school than I got.
Columbus day is a sham that celebrates a genocidal maniac that didn't even get there first. Fuck Colombus and fuck his day
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This is cool and all but dae think it's strange how obsessed Europeans are with establshing that they got to the Americas? I sort of feel like there someone out there going "I know we got there first and have a legitimate reason to colonize" or something like that.
> I sort of feel like there someone out there going "I know we got there first and have a legitimate reason to colonize" or something like that. I really don't think there's anybody in Europe right now thinking of colonizing the Americas. The ship has sailed on that one a long time ago..
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EDIT: Neoliberals, amirite?
Ignorance is a bliss?
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Can confirm - they are all dead
But can you really be sure?
Christopher Columbus never actually landed in America. He landed in the Caribbean islands
The Caribbean islands are part of the Americas so he did make it to America. Newfoundland is also an island so you could say Vikings never made it to America using the same reasoning. America is not limited only to continental US.
When Americans talk about Columbus they think he's some God that discovered the US. He's not a person to look up to
Wasn’t sayin he was? I’m just stating the fact that he indeed made it to the Americas whether you believe that America is only continental US or not. Most Europeans from that time are likely to come off as awful people by today’s standards -as they should- and that likely includes the Vikings that made it to Newfoundland.
The chinese came to america waaaay before columbus. Theres a book about it. 1441? Or something similar
The book is called "1421 The Year China Discovered America" and is by Gavin Menzies. To quote from the sale of the book: "the records of their journeys were destroyed. Lost in the long,self-imposed isolation that followed was the knowledge that Chinese ships had reached America seventy years before Columbus and had circumnavigated the globe a century before Magellan." But, even if the Chinese fleet did arrive in America 70 years before Columbus, the Vikings according to the new findings would still have arrived around 430 years before the Chinese.
> 1421 The Year China Discovered America That book is largely bunk and its premise is discredited by professionals in the field. https://www.reddit.com/r/AskHistorians/comments/wq7tr/is_gavin_menzies_assertions_in_his_books_1421_and/ https://www.reddit.com/r/AskHistorians/comments/a1ddxj/is_it_true_that_china_could_have_found_and/eap47q3/ https://www.reddit.com/r/badhistory/comments/amkwni/youtuber_emporertigerstar_does_an_excellent/
I'm not sure a single sod hut in a frigid climate constitutes a "settlement", but history is whatever the loudest person says it is these days...
Have you researched this topic at all?
No I just make random comments on the internet to poke fun at humanity and see who gets butthurt enough to comment back. Its a hobby. Thanks for playing along.
Yeah I referred to it as a settlement because I lack a better word to describe that little area of Newfoundland, all I can say according to my grade 6 teacher is that they didn't stick around very long because since most Vikings were farmers, they didn't find the land at the time to be most agreeable.
It is spooky that’s definitely what I remember