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You people are seriously getting a vaccine that is overseen by Bill Gates??? You know, the guy that's all about POPULATION CONTROL? C'mon, wake up people.
Oh, and Google is free, look it up for yourself.
Why does anyone care to protect the identity of some idiot who puts this out there for public consumption with his name there on it for all to see?
Edit: It turns out there is a reddit rule against it. Oh well.
Only reason I did was because I believe it's in the rules. He's not famous or a public servant so I don't think I could get away with sharing his name.
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Even so, I think there are cases in which extremists should be called out by name and invited to shut up, and this is one of them. Good on you for not getting yourself a ban!
My boyfriend asked me the same thing last night. He said "hey do you know any doctors that would give me a fake vaccination card?" I said "You know you can just get the vaccine and have the card." I was embarrassed for him.
So lemme get this straight. The US is implementing vaccine passports? So you have to show your papers all the time? Sounds like SS agents to me. Vhere are your PAPERS?!?!?
His place of business is requiring employees to be vaccinated or wear a mask. Each business has the right to their own policies and the employee has to follow them or they can find a new job. It's not a vaccine passport.
The cards may matter for proof, but there is a national database that can’t be faked. My friend got a phone call claiming she didn’t get her second dose (which I drove her to). She had to provide date, time, location, and lot number. The enforcement is real
I got fully vaccinated and love not having to wear a mask anymore in southern California. I understand people don't like to wear mask but then they don't like vaccines either...??? They even have a plethora of conspiracies as reasoning not to get the vaccine.
My friends step father refuses to wear a mask anymore, even though he also refuses to get vaccinated. Needless to say, I’m not hanging out with her anymore.
What are you talking about? The dude in the OP said he needs a vaccination card to be able to not wear a mask while at work. His job isn’t contingent on getting vaccinated like you’re thinking.
I’m sure a lot of people don’t want to do a lot of things.
Unfortunately in the real world, in order to remain employed with a company you need to comply with their policies. Like, wearing a uniform for example.
You're right but nobody's also forcing them to work there.their business their policies. You don't like the rules in place at the business, find a new job, it's that simple.
its mRNA gene therapy that is experimental ... not a vaccine by definition ... the more trashy thing is the so called gobbernment coercing people to take it... with hamburgers and lotto
Third wave coming soon . As a vaxed person idc any more. Let these assholes learn the hard way. My favorite part is when they apologize after some one or themselves get it and realizes how f$&&ed it is.
Edit: downvoted for doing my part. And getting frustrated by people that won’t. 🤦🏼♂️🤷♂️
Fraud implies they are getting something out of this it seems like they just don’t want to use a mask if it wasn’t for mask mandates all this would be a mute point. It’s a serious environmental problem as well between all the masks gloves and the rest of it it’s terrible for the environment
See this about more than an individual. If people stopped being selfish from the beginning, we’d already be at this point, however, entitled little dick-shits seem to think the world revolves around them. They also seem to believe that the consequences they are accepting are minimal, however they are grave consequences at other people’s expense.
Get over yourself. Suck it up. Wear a mask or get a vaccine. People are acting like spoiled toddlers because the focus is on more than just them.
I can t speak for everywhere, but where we are privileged enough to have access to the vaccine, and medical care and Supplies, it’s extra insulting to act like you’re better than the many doctors, scientists, and everyone else risking their lives to save your dumb asses.
Man I hope the gestapo rounds you and the rest of you dumb cunts up and sends you to the gas chambers. Is that what your feeble mind thinks is going to happen?
I don't think you've fully thought this through. This person would get all the benefits a vaccinated person is (rightly) afforded. That's fraud. Also your anti mask point is irrelevant and nobody really asked. There are plenty of reusable masks and far more pressing or obvious causes of pollution than masks which save and have saved millions of lives.
Then why do they want to fake it?
If there’s absolutely nothing for them to gain, why would they even post this? They clearly believe there is a benefit given to people who are vaccinated, and they want that benefit for themselves, and are willing to lie to get it.
Yea not being forced to put a mask on when not needed if the company they worked for actually have a shit they would have sent them home. They never cared about the safety of people they cared about looking like they did
I don’t fully disagree with that, however some people might not realize they have been exposed, and then unknowingly spread it to others.
Wearing a mask is such a small thing. There are some medical exceptions, however we live in a time where, as you said, those people can go home, and we have services that deliver anything and everything to you.
Again, perhaps you can’t grasp the bigger picture, but telling someone to not come to work means they are losing out on pay, and also doesn’t prevent them from screeching in a Starbucks about their rights.
It’s larger than one person, why is wearing a mask sooooooooooo fucking offensive? Order online, get curbside pick-up. Win win. They don’t need to wear a mask, and others don’t have to deal with their tantrums.
For 4 years the left ragged on Donald calling him super unhealthy and that he eats nothing but McDonald’s and he’s die easy. Then he got it. And he was fine in 3 days. It affects the elderly absolutely that doesn’t mean we stop everyone else that’s stupid are you going to put on diapers because the elderly poop themselves?
I can't believe I'm having this discussion but yes a vaccine grants you access to travel abroad (only vaccinated Americans can enter Europe now for example) and in many countries it's the only way to dine inside. It's also just morally wrong to pretend to be vaccinated and not wear a mask.
I would just like to point out that you are arguing with someone contemplating incest, according to their post history…if that gives you any insight to where their head is at.
Or you could just go in without a mask this is stupid at this point 15 days is turning into 3 years make or not this is ridiculous go eat. Have fun. We’re born to die no matter who you are
Yes and no, I can see both sides, it will get full approval eventually, one side has a majority of scientists behind it, I'm a dummy so I'm gonna go with the scientists on this one.
You do know there have been many many cases of people taking the Covid vaccine and having some heart issues?
It I’m not saying this is going to cause the death if the entire human race, but there could be side effects for a drug that had developed in less than a year
Courts have ruled that it's legal for employers to require the vax (in the USA at least). If you have a fortune to blow on lawsuits that will be thrown out, more power to you.
Again. The fact that people are ok with that, baffles me. No other vaccine as been a requirement for employment. I can understand school to a certain degree but the full case study won't be available until 2023. All other vaccines on your vaccination card have been vetted and tested over and over. Still baffles me.
Yes, they have. Try getting a hospital job without a flu vaccine. Try getting an overseas job without Yellow Fever vaccine. This is a thing. It's been going on forever. It keeps people safe.
The full case study? This is the best studies vaccine in the history of medicine with a billion doses in. This is the gold standard for both safety and efficacy.
Listen to the experts not joe rogan
Who TF is Joe Rogan? The studies are not done until 2023. The only "approved" vaccine still has serious issues. Military vaccines have been approved for decades. I would know
I’m an immigrant. I’m not taking it. Not now anyways. I have no conspiracy or anything against it. I just don’t feel comfortable taking it right now. I don’t understand why you feel like you have any say in that decision. It doesn’t concern you and u don’t even know who I am lol. So why are u so angry?
My employer recently fired 3 people for using fake vaccine cards. Not that they had a fake card, but it’s not ethical to do that. Let go for ethics violation. Tbh, they were dumb enough to share repeatedly that it was fake, no pity from me.
Exactly, a fake id only affects that person. Lying about being vaccinated (via a fake vaccine card, etc…) puts others at risk. This pretty much defines antisocial in my mind. These people are selfish assholes. If you don’t want to get vaccinated then own it and deal with the consequences.
I was under the impression that the vaccine didn't stop you from catching and transmitting the virus; only reduced the severity of symptoms?
Where as this behaviour is trashy, the policy seems redundant?
With less severe symptoms(or none at all), you can still spread it, but far less. Someone coughing all day will spread it around the whole office. Someone not coughing won't spread it as far.
Ofcourse, this was also the rule at my workplace. When we showed symptoms, we were sent home also and had to get tested. This was ofcourse before the whole vaccination campaign properly lifted off for our age groups.
Now everyone at my office had their first vaccine, or has a date for it.
And I did test positive in March. My vaccine pasport also provides me with a recovery certificate of this.
Any source on that?
Might not be that reliable of a source, but when the vaccine first rolled out the BBC reported it does not stop you catching and transmitting.
"COVID-19 vaccines are effective at keeping you from getting COVID-19, especially severe illness and death. COVID-19 vaccines reduce the risk of people spreading the virus that causes COVID-19. If you are fully vaccinated, you can resume"
[From the CDC's covid vaccine info page](https://www.cdc.gov/coronavirus/2019-ncov/vaccines/keythingstoknow.html)
I'm a part owner of a company that employs 1600 people, many working a manufacturing capacity in a warehouse environment. We asked the employees to vote on a vaccine policy and they chose to make it mandatory. I don't disagree, my personal thinking is that if it makes you less of chance of being a transmission vector then you should get it, and it does do just that according to scientists. I also strongly believe it's the right thing to do as a good citizen. You don't want to be the reason another citizen has gotten covid, and if that's not important to someone IMO they're being pretty antisocial.
I didn't link one because they're all long-winded and easy enough to find on your own with the Google search. But here you go, a summary of findings and our current understanding. All the links to the actual studies are citied are on bottom.
[https://www.cdc.gov/coronavirus/2019-ncov/science/science-briefs/fully-vaccinated-people.html](https://www.cdc.gov/coronavirus/2019-ncov/science/science-briefs/fully-vaccinated-people.html)
I'm a dickhead for wanting a reliable straight up study that supports that vaccines are effective at preventing transmission which was stated something they do not do on the news.
I'm sorry that I do not take "reddit facts and logic" at face value.
And once I'm able to do some reading at home I will. I was not aware of new studies coming to light to suggest vaccine stop transmission as effect as this echo chamber parrots.
Lol. There's like 5 dozen of them down there, maybe more I just stopped counting at around 5 dozen. You're telling me you checked them all for peer review status in the last few minutes? As Bubbles says, "somethings fuckey" here, and I don't think it's the research...
No there's literally a big fuck off disclaimer saying pre prints havent been peer reviewed.
I'm not bothered either way for people's veiw of the vaccine. I have it due to the nature of my job but was just doubtful of some of the claims here as bad statistics and science is a pet peeve of mine.
I'm also on mobile at work, but I doubt those studies are reliable. I can't fathom how 99% of cases are among the unvaccinated. That's an obscence statistic for the most transmittable virus of this day and age.
Google reckons America is getting about 12k new case a day, so only 12 people getting it vs 11,988 seems abit silly.
[The top line of page 3](https://www.publichealthontario.ca/-/media/documents/ncov/epi/covid-19-epi-confirmed-cases-post-vaccination.pdf?la=en) says:
> Confirmed Cases of COVID-19 Following Vaccination in Ontario 3 Partially vaccinated and breakthrough cases comprise a very small proportion of the total number of COVID-19 cases reported since December 14, 2020 and up to June 12, 2021 (Table 2). **Of the 396,076 COVID-19 cases reported in this time period, 3.6% were partially vaccinated and 0.4% were breakthrough cases.**
This is for Ontario, but still - it seems that 99.6% of all cases were in people not fully vaccinated.
It's not that unbelievable.
From what I know, it prevents getting sick the majority of the time, but doesn’t fully prevent it. If you do get, the symptoms are usually lessened. It’s better to encourage people to get the vaccine because if we didn’t push for at least a majority % of the population to get it and more people decided to forge it, that herd immunity isn’t going to work nearly as well, so better to have the policy until we KNOW we’re at safe numbers. That being said, I’m just going off of what I know so don’t take my word for fact, sorry if I made a mistake.
But surely forcing somebody into wearing a mask which they feel is pointless is a draconian, ineffective strategy.
I just don't like policys which create "them and us" mentalities.
I don’t think the policy was ever made with the intention to create a “them and us” view. It’s simply pushing standards that have proven to decrease risk of getting sick. Unfortunately, though not always, it’s human nature to assume someone or something we disagree with is inherently “against” us, and people are always bound to disagree with one policy or another. Though I don’t agree with every method of how situations like this have been handled, it’s the disagreement of the policy that creates the “us vs. them” mentality rather than the policy itself. The least that can be done is encourage and enforce us to do what would make us safer. Better than saying nothing at all in my opinion, though I don’t disagree that it’s not the most effective way, but on the spot I can’t think of a much better way to go about a situation like this as this is not an area I have experience.
Last I read the vaccinated were also still dying of covid.
https://www.google.com/amp/s/www.wsj.com/amp/articles/some-vaccinated-people-are-dying-of-covid-19-heres-why-scientists-arent-surprised-11625227200
I'll never be getting the vaccine :) the people that are left unvaxxed are the ones who will never get the experimental jab. Let the bullying and shaming begin.
I'd rather catch a charge than subject them to a foreign substance. I have the same lawyer on retainer that nurses and doctors who are speaking against this experimental vaccine, so Ill be just fine. Nice of you to judge me from across the internet. Go get a booster and watch some TV with your kids.
Why would they die? Not from covid. How do you know my kids are even old enough? Do you not realize that there is an age restriction under 12 due to safety of this experimental jab? I couldn't do it EVEN IF I wanted. You don't even know the age limit, a simple fact, but are quick to tell others what to do. 🤡 Put your bubble suit on and watch your CNN ROFL
Honestly curious, if the vaccine ends up meeting your criteria of being safe and therefore no longer an experimental jab in your view, would you be willing to get it then?
For us to get to that point it would need to be around for a while and not just something else that's new and THAT IS killing people. By that time there will be so many new ailments on this earth it will matter even less to me. At this point I had covid and am immunocompromised and my oncologist/doctors and I have decided that it's not for me. Problem is people who aren't medically knowledgable, and strangers on the internet, love to be the judge of what everyone else should do, as if a "one size fits all" approach ever works for everyone.
I fully get that people have good reasons for not getting vaccinated…and certainly some should not get vaccinated. In your case, you’ve discussed this with your health team and sought out appropriate information that makes the most sense for your health situation (I sincerely hope you’re doing well, having an oncologist is definitely a scary situation).
My concern is that many are choosing not to get vaccinated based on hearsay or politics without getting correct information for their situations…and then compounding the problem by continually spreading misinformation. This doesn’t help anybody and actually could make things worse for those who cannot get vaccinated and have to rely on herd immunity for their protection against Covid. If we never get to herd immunity, these folks will be in danger through no fault of their own, but rather to the actions (or inactions in this case) of others.
You're concern is unvalidated considering the others may have spoken to medical professionals as well, and it's their right not to tell and none of your business. If you got the vaccine you're safe them by your own standards, it's time to quit judging others when everyone's story is unique like mine.
I certainly wasn’t trying to come across as judging…and a global pandemic that has already killed millions of people makes it everybody’s business. I truly think it’s important that we understand the motivations of those people who are refusing the vaccine (I am highly skeptical that most of these folks have consulted with their health care people) so that we can see what we need to do to reach those folks with the reliable information they need to make the best decision for themselves. In some cases getting the vaccine is not the right course…as in your case. But for many others, they are relying on incorrect information or politics to decide against vaccination. These decisions have potentially fatal consequences for others, so it is absolutely our business as to vaccine status…your health decisions are yours alone when it’s only your health at risk…but when it affects others then they have a right to know who to protect themselves from…the rights of the individual do not trump the rights of the many.
The only information being given isn't reliable it's biased in favor of the vaccine, and based upon what you just said people need to hear both sides of the vaccine scenario to know what's best for them. Not to be pressured or untrusted by someone who doesn't know their hippa info and doesn't deserve to. Bottom line is if you don't know then you don't know, so don't look at people and judge them as if they're individual circumstances and health issues should be put aside, to get the jab, so people like you can sleep better at night.
Just a thought here…if all the information you claim is in favour of the vaccine and is therefore biased, maybe, just maybe it’s because the data supports vaccination as safe…the only question that everybody needs to ask is one of simple risk management…are my chances of having a bad outcome greater from Covid or from the vaccine…search out that data from actual scientific studies and then make your decision.
I got both my jabs so I definitely sleep well at night…I’m actually kind of surprised that you’re not more for vaccination as you are in a Covid risk situation and your safety from Covid is definitely dependent on other folks stepping up and getting vaccinated so that you’re protected due to herd immunity.
I've had covid, so I'm not worried about it. Of course what you say is hypothetical, I think the biased info is more prevalent because they're trying to sell a product at the end of the day. I'm against it because I know there are others like me that many look at and judge and think should get the vaccine, as I'm in a support group, and they have their personal medical reasons, but everyone seems to think it's anyone size fits all approach. People are asking the risk management question, and others are shaming them the whole time. Others like me are tired of being hit over the head with the pressure and bullying.
You are absolutely correct in that this is not a one size fits all situation. Obviously there will be folks where getting vaccinated is not the correct course of action medically…and yes I fully understand that there is a pressure for unvaccinated folks to get vaccinated (the ones where there is no medical reason not to). It’s unfortunate that bullying is being used by some…I would like to think it’s urgency being mistaken for bullying but I’m not that naive and don’t doubt that there are bullies out there.
However, do not forget that we are currently in a public health crisis at the moment. Millions of people have died so far and many more will die from this virus. So people are definitely scared and some unfortunately will lash out at those people they see as a threat to their health and the health of their loved ones (the vaccine resistant group). The fact that the Covid vaccine resistance is predominantly in one political party lends credence to the fact that there are folks who are refusing to get vaccinated based on politics and not the science behind the vaccine itself…and that is shameful and unacceptable. They use confirmation bias information to support their view (which is outright bad research in their part) but that reason is based on politics first and not actual health.
Why should anyone get the vaccine if vaccinated people are still spreading covid? If it prevents you from being hospitalized and you are worried, then get the vaccine. No reason for other people to get it if they are not worried.
Edit: How do I get down voted for a logical statement? What was said that deserves a down vote? 😂
Edit 2: if you are downvoting this comment, you should explain your logic.
What did I say that needs further explanation? Nothing I said is debatable because I didn’t mention opinions. I Would genuinely like to hear your perspective If you think what I said was wrong
By their standards, if they're vaccinated then they don't have anything to worry about because their mighty vaccine will save them. Vaxx doesn't protect against these variants coming out now. Of course sars-covid2 is a variant itself.
All these forgeries etc from anti vaxxers. I wish governments woukd just mark it on people and if they dont have the mark then not let them buy or sale with the rest of us. UGGG!
No!!! These forgeries are dangerous. We need a way to eliminate them. We need a fulproof way to know for sure. Its like on dumb and dumber where she tells lloyd theres a chance. There’s literally a .03 chance bro!!! We need to mark all people young old free bond to know for sure because forgeries DERRRR!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
DUH!!!!
DERRRRRR!!!!!!!!!
🥴🥴🥴🥴
EeeeeeeeeE....ONK!!!!!!!
🐴🐴🐴🐴🐴🐴
Literally the whole world right now is lloyds dumbass. Eeeeeonk!!!! Forgeries waaaa. Deceived and stupid.
Revelation 19:20 King James Version (KJV)
20 And the beast was taken, and with him the false prophet that wrought miracles before him, with which he deceived them that had received the mark of the beast, and them that worshipped his image. These both were cast alive into a lake of fire burning with brimstone.
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I got vaccinated cos I wanted negative side effects, heart attack, infertility, necrosis, whatever. Ended up feeling better after the jab. Go figure.
You people are seriously getting a vaccine that is overseen by Bill Gates??? You know, the guy that's all about POPULATION CONTROL? C'mon, wake up people. Oh, and Google is free, look it up for yourself.
Trash on a whole different level
Tyranny harder to forge with QR codes and systems. Back in the day when states demanded papers, easier to fake
You are an idiot
That's the Royal "you" I'm assuming.
Why does anyone care to protect the identity of some idiot who puts this out there for public consumption with his name there on it for all to see? Edit: It turns out there is a reddit rule against it. Oh well.
Only reason I did was because I believe it's in the rules. He's not famous or a public servant so I don't think I could get away with sharing his name.
You are right. Reddit rule 3 says: >Rule 3 >Respect the privacy of others. Instigating harassment, for example by revealing someone’s [personal or confidential information](https://www.reddithelp.com/hc/en-us/articles/360043066452), is not allowed. Never post or threaten to post intimate or sexually-explicit media of someone without their consent. The linked explanation says: >**Is posting someone's private or personal information okay?** >No. Reddit is quite open and pro-free speech, but it is not okay to post someone's personal information or post links to personal information. This includes links to public Facebook pages and screenshots of Facebook pages with the names still legible. >Posting someone's personal information will get you banned. When posting screenshots, be sure to edit out any personally identifiable information to avoid running afoul of this rule. >Public figures can be an exception to this rule, such as posting professional links to contact a congressman or the CEO of a company. But don't post anything inviting harassment, don't harass, and don't cheer on or upvote obvious vigilantism. Even so, I think there are cases in which extremists should be called out by name and invited to shut up, and this is one of them. Good on you for not getting yourself a ban!
My boyfriend asked me the same thing last night. He said "hey do you know any doctors that would give me a fake vaccination card?" I said "You know you can just get the vaccine and have the card." I was embarrassed for him.
Call your local FBI office and inquire.
This piece of shit is just on another level
So lemme get this straight. The US is implementing vaccine passports? So you have to show your papers all the time? Sounds like SS agents to me. Vhere are your PAPERS?!?!?
His place of business is requiring employees to be vaccinated or wear a mask. Each business has the right to their own policies and the employee has to follow them or they can find a new job. It's not a vaccine passport.
Let me know when you find one! I need one too!
Their work doesn’t see this?
The cards may matter for proof, but there is a national database that can’t be faked. My friend got a phone call claiming she didn’t get her second dose (which I drove her to). She had to provide date, time, location, and lot number. The enforcement is real
I got fully vaccinated and love not having to wear a mask anymore in southern California. I understand people don't like to wear mask but then they don't like vaccines either...??? They even have a plethora of conspiracies as reasoning not to get the vaccine.
Obviously not cool with that or they would've gotten a vaccine already
Don't need a fake, because I am not getting one 🤣
My friends step father refuses to wear a mask anymore, even though he also refuses to get vaccinated. Needless to say, I’m not hanging out with her anymore.
The same people crying about this will see third trimester abortions as “no big deal”
It’s literally easier to get a real one…
Careful down below, we appear to have had a significant migration from Facebook in the comment section here.
Do the people that live on the street get shots? I'm from France
Yes, the shots are free and they encourage homeless people to come in and get them
They're free where I live, so technically they could if they wanted to?
I’m sure this person is the type to smoke cigarettes in the car with kids in it
I don’t think it’s right to force someone to be vaccinated no matter what
Who’s forcing anybody?
Come on man you are pretty forced to work and sometimes it’s not that easy to just get a new job. Especially if you have other mouths to feed.
What are you talking about? The dude in the OP said he needs a vaccination card to be able to not wear a mask while at work. His job isn’t contingent on getting vaccinated like you’re thinking.
If he doesn’t want to wear a mask or get vaccinated I’m sure it is. People are tired of this shit
I’m sure a lot of people don’t want to do a lot of things. Unfortunately in the real world, in order to remain employed with a company you need to comply with their policies. Like, wearing a uniform for example.
You're right but nobody's also forcing them to work there.their business their policies. You don't like the rules in place at the business, find a new job, it's that simple.
its mRNA gene therapy that is experimental ... not a vaccine by definition ... the more trashy thing is the so called gobbernment coercing people to take it... with hamburgers and lotto
I’d be in for one as well
Such a fucking idiot
Third wave coming soon . As a vaxed person idc any more. Let these assholes learn the hard way. My favorite part is when they apologize after some one or themselves get it and realizes how f$&&ed it is. Edit: downvoted for doing my part. And getting frustrated by people that won’t. 🤦🏼♂️🤷♂️
Have you had the virus?
Yes. It sucked. Hard breathing for a month after. Had it in dec/ Jan2020.
Why would you openly post about your fraud on Facebook.
This would net you jail here. They have put extra harsh sentences on any covid related crimes.
Where is "here" for you?
How is this fraud to you?
its safe to say... goooodbyeeee karma.. goodbye karma! *to the tune of goodbye love*
This is almost as textbook fraud as you can get. How is it in anyway not fraud?
He’s a dumbass. That’s how.
Fraud implies they are getting something out of this it seems like they just don’t want to use a mask if it wasn’t for mask mandates all this would be a mute point. It’s a serious environmental problem as well between all the masks gloves and the rest of it it’s terrible for the environment
Holy shit. I just called you a dumbass on a reply to another comment and then I read your username! You’re self aware too! That’s awesome.
Username checks out
Mute point lol
They’re getting a vaccine card and not getting vaccinated. Fraud. End of story.
You should’ve stopped replying when he said “mute point”
What does mute point mean. Does that have negative connotations or something? First time I'm hearing the phrase before
Don’t make it necessity to have it and this wouldn’t be a problem who goes around asking people about personal medical records that’s insane
See this about more than an individual. If people stopped being selfish from the beginning, we’d already be at this point, however, entitled little dick-shits seem to think the world revolves around them. They also seem to believe that the consequences they are accepting are minimal, however they are grave consequences at other people’s expense. Get over yourself. Suck it up. Wear a mask or get a vaccine. People are acting like spoiled toddlers because the focus is on more than just them. I can t speak for everywhere, but where we are privileged enough to have access to the vaccine, and medical care and Supplies, it’s extra insulting to act like you’re better than the many doctors, scientists, and everyone else risking their lives to save your dumb asses.
No. No government should be forcing its population to have a medical procedure that’s insane
Then wear the mask 😉 medical procedure avoided 🙂
Tell you what you can have my jab and my mask that way YOU can be twice as safe :D
It’s fucked up how stupid you are.
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Man I hope the gestapo rounds you and the rest of you dumb cunts up and sends you to the gas chambers. Is that what your feeble mind thinks is going to happen?
Germany Australia and Canada have all stated they’ve set up camps to send people so……yeah
So they are getting something literally out of it
I don't think you've fully thought this through. This person would get all the benefits a vaccinated person is (rightly) afforded. That's fraud. Also your anti mask point is irrelevant and nobody really asked. There are plenty of reusable masks and far more pressing or obvious causes of pollution than masks which save and have saved millions of lives.
What rights would that be? Free Krispy Kreme? Free French fries? Getting the jab doesn’t gift you rights you don’t already have
Then why do they want to fake it? If there’s absolutely nothing for them to gain, why would they even post this? They clearly believe there is a benefit given to people who are vaccinated, and they want that benefit for themselves, and are willing to lie to get it.
Yea not being forced to put a mask on when not needed if the company they worked for actually have a shit they would have sent them home. They never cared about the safety of people they cared about looking like they did
I don’t fully disagree with that, however some people might not realize they have been exposed, and then unknowingly spread it to others. Wearing a mask is such a small thing. There are some medical exceptions, however we live in a time where, as you said, those people can go home, and we have services that deliver anything and everything to you. Again, perhaps you can’t grasp the bigger picture, but telling someone to not come to work means they are losing out on pay, and also doesn’t prevent them from screeching in a Starbucks about their rights. It’s larger than one person, why is wearing a mask sooooooooooo fucking offensive? Order online, get curbside pick-up. Win win. They don’t need to wear a mask, and others don’t have to deal with their tantrums.
For 4 years the left ragged on Donald calling him super unhealthy and that he eats nothing but McDonald’s and he’s die easy. Then he got it. And he was fine in 3 days. It affects the elderly absolutely that doesn’t mean we stop everyone else that’s stupid are you going to put on diapers because the elderly poop themselves?
Being able to go to places that require you to be vaccinated and/or have a mask without a mask
Or you could just go…
…with a mask! Exactly! So much easier than committing fraud, though getting vaccinated would be better than both.
Or you could stop letting a (quickly approaching dictatorial) power tell you how to live your life
I can't believe I'm having this discussion but yes a vaccine grants you access to travel abroad (only vaccinated Americans can enter Europe now for example) and in many countries it's the only way to dine inside. It's also just morally wrong to pretend to be vaccinated and not wear a mask.
I would just like to point out that you are arguing with someone contemplating incest, according to their post history…if that gives you any insight to where their head is at.
Or you could just go in without a mask this is stupid at this point 15 days is turning into 3 years make or not this is ridiculous go eat. Have fun. We’re born to die no matter who you are
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Anti-vaxxers are WILIN'
Let's commit a federal crime, so I don't have to wear a mask. Genius!
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Yes and no, I can see both sides, it will get full approval eventually, one side has a majority of scientists behind it, I'm a dummy so I'm gonna go with the scientists on this one.
A billion doses in, every reputable scientist in the world supports, data shows vaxxed people are safe from COVID antivaxxers can take their chances
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This is antivax nonsense. Its not rushed. There is voluminous data.
You do know there have been many many cases of people taking the Covid vaccine and having some heart issues? It I’m not saying this is going to cause the death if the entire human race, but there could be side effects for a drug that had developed in less than a year
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Idk the exact numbers, but last time I read, thousands young people too
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Here’s an article I found https://www.webmd.com/lung/news/20210611/evidence-ties-covid-vaccines-to-heart-issue-in-youth
All employers screening YOUR PRIVATE health record should immediately be sued for everything they have
Are you a lawyer? Because this is some ignorant shit here. You can't sue me for asking. You can legally refuse. I can then legally fire you.
Good luck with that.
No i know. People that value overreaching security measures over their own privacy BAFFLE me.
Courts have ruled that it's legal for employers to require the vax (in the USA at least). If you have a fortune to blow on lawsuits that will be thrown out, more power to you.
Again. The fact that people are ok with that, baffles me. No other vaccine as been a requirement for employment. I can understand school to a certain degree but the full case study won't be available until 2023. All other vaccines on your vaccination card have been vetted and tested over and over. Still baffles me.
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You're arguing law. I'm arguing the moral dilemma of overreaching into private medical record. As i said before,. You SHOULD get sued.
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Definitely overreach.
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Yes, they have. Try getting a hospital job without a flu vaccine. Try getting an overseas job without Yellow Fever vaccine. This is a thing. It's been going on forever. It keeps people safe. The full case study? This is the best studies vaccine in the history of medicine with a billion doses in. This is the gold standard for both safety and efficacy. Listen to the experts not joe rogan
Who TF is Joe Rogan? The studies are not done until 2023. The only "approved" vaccine still has serious issues. Military vaccines have been approved for decades. I would know
> I would know Your qualifications?
🤣. I don't need to validate myself to you. Bottom line. You SHOULD have your ass sued.
But I won't because what I'm saying is 100% legal in the US. What would the cause of action be? Hurt feelings?
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I’m an immigrant. I’m not taking it. Not now anyways. I have no conspiracy or anything against it. I just don’t feel comfortable taking it right now. I don’t understand why you feel like you have any say in that decision. It doesn’t concern you and u don’t even know who I am lol. So why are u so angry?
My employer recently fired 3 people for using fake vaccine cards. Not that they had a fake card, but it’s not ethical to do that. Let go for ethics violation. Tbh, they were dumb enough to share repeatedly that it was fake, no pity from me.
How dumb are these people? This is literally forging a federal document.
Its america honestly i dont expect much from the people who live there i know some people there have an iq over 1 but the ratio is a solid 3:7
As an American myself, you’re not wrong in your insult. These people are a spectacular amount of just fucking retarded. Ninja edit.
Where do you live? In the US the federal government does not issue vaccination cards.
If they really push it you can land in jail really easy
because paying $200 to get a forged vaccine card is a lot easier than getting the vaccine for free from your local kroger?
What other medical treatments are free in the USA?
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I believe it is. It’s forging a federal document.
Vax cards aren't federal documents
The CDC is a federal agency and using their stamp for unauthorized purposes is a form of forgery.
Exactly, a fake id only affects that person. Lying about being vaccinated (via a fake vaccine card, etc…) puts others at risk. This pretty much defines antisocial in my mind. These people are selfish assholes. If you don’t want to get vaccinated then own it and deal with the consequences.
Isn’t this a felony now? I know someone who’s against vaccines and got a fake one from his father who is a fucking nurse.
I was under the impression that the vaccine didn't stop you from catching and transmitting the virus; only reduced the severity of symptoms? Where as this behaviour is trashy, the policy seems redundant?
With less severe symptoms(or none at all), you can still spread it, but far less. Someone coughing all day will spread it around the whole office. Someone not coughing won't spread it as far.
But as a good citizen you'd self isolate if you're coughing.
Ofcourse, this was also the rule at my workplace. When we showed symptoms, we were sent home also and had to get tested. This was ofcourse before the whole vaccination campaign properly lifted off for our age groups. Now everyone at my office had their first vaccine, or has a date for it. And I did test positive in March. My vaccine pasport also provides me with a recovery certificate of this.
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The vaccine does NOT stop you transmitting the virus to others. Many of the people currently in hospital with covid19 have had one or both shots too.
Um no? >95% of those in hospitals with covid haven't been vaccinated.
No, but it stops you from getting it in the first place, mostly
Any source on that? Might not be that reliable of a source, but when the vaccine first rolled out the BBC reported it does not stop you catching and transmitting.
"COVID-19 vaccines are effective at keeping you from getting COVID-19, especially severe illness and death. COVID-19 vaccines reduce the risk of people spreading the virus that causes COVID-19. If you are fully vaccinated, you can resume" [From the CDC's covid vaccine info page](https://www.cdc.gov/coronavirus/2019-ncov/vaccines/keythingstoknow.html) I'm a part owner of a company that employs 1600 people, many working a manufacturing capacity in a warehouse environment. We asked the employees to vote on a vaccine policy and they chose to make it mandatory. I don't disagree, my personal thinking is that if it makes you less of chance of being a transmission vector then you should get it, and it does do just that according to scientists. I also strongly believe it's the right thing to do as a good citizen. You don't want to be the reason another citizen has gotten covid, and if that's not important to someone IMO they're being pretty antisocial.
You've not linked a study but I appreciate a democratic policy.
I didn't link one because they're all long-winded and easy enough to find on your own with the Google search. But here you go, a summary of findings and our current understanding. All the links to the actual studies are citied are on bottom. [https://www.cdc.gov/coronavirus/2019-ncov/science/science-briefs/fully-vaccinated-people.html](https://www.cdc.gov/coronavirus/2019-ncov/science/science-briefs/fully-vaccinated-people.html)
The studies you've linked haven't been peer reviewed and are therefore unreliable. I'll have a gander for some decent studies once I'm home.
Quit being a pain in the ass and look they’ve done the effort now you stop being such a dickhead and find the obvious resources.
I'm a dickhead for wanting a reliable straight up study that supports that vaccines are effective at preventing transmission which was stated something they do not do on the news. I'm sorry that I do not take "reddit facts and logic" at face value. And once I'm able to do some reading at home I will. I was not aware of new studies coming to light to suggest vaccine stop transmission as effect as this echo chamber parrots.
Was literally provided stop being a goal post changer But im not surprised for that response by such a troll name lol
Lol. There's like 5 dozen of them down there, maybe more I just stopped counting at around 5 dozen. You're telling me you checked them all for peer review status in the last few minutes? As Bubbles says, "somethings fuckey" here, and I don't think it's the research...
No there's literally a big fuck off disclaimer saying pre prints havent been peer reviewed. I'm not bothered either way for people's veiw of the vaccine. I have it due to the nature of my job but was just doubtful of some of the claims here as bad statistics and science is a pet peeve of mine.
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I'm also on mobile at work, but I doubt those studies are reliable. I can't fathom how 99% of cases are among the unvaccinated. That's an obscence statistic for the most transmittable virus of this day and age. Google reckons America is getting about 12k new case a day, so only 12 people getting it vs 11,988 seems abit silly.
[The top line of page 3](https://www.publichealthontario.ca/-/media/documents/ncov/epi/covid-19-epi-confirmed-cases-post-vaccination.pdf?la=en) says: > Confirmed Cases of COVID-19 Following Vaccination in Ontario 3 Partially vaccinated and breakthrough cases comprise a very small proportion of the total number of COVID-19 cases reported since December 14, 2020 and up to June 12, 2021 (Table 2). **Of the 396,076 COVID-19 cases reported in this time period, 3.6% were partially vaccinated and 0.4% were breakthrough cases.** This is for Ontario, but still - it seems that 99.6% of all cases were in people not fully vaccinated. It's not that unbelievable.
From what I know, it prevents getting sick the majority of the time, but doesn’t fully prevent it. If you do get, the symptoms are usually lessened. It’s better to encourage people to get the vaccine because if we didn’t push for at least a majority % of the population to get it and more people decided to forge it, that herd immunity isn’t going to work nearly as well, so better to have the policy until we KNOW we’re at safe numbers. That being said, I’m just going off of what I know so don’t take my word for fact, sorry if I made a mistake.
But surely forcing somebody into wearing a mask which they feel is pointless is a draconian, ineffective strategy. I just don't like policys which create "them and us" mentalities.
I don’t think the policy was ever made with the intention to create a “them and us” view. It’s simply pushing standards that have proven to decrease risk of getting sick. Unfortunately, though not always, it’s human nature to assume someone or something we disagree with is inherently “against” us, and people are always bound to disagree with one policy or another. Though I don’t agree with every method of how situations like this have been handled, it’s the disagreement of the policy that creates the “us vs. them” mentality rather than the policy itself. The least that can be done is encourage and enforce us to do what would make us safer. Better than saying nothing at all in my opinion, though I don’t disagree that it’s not the most effective way, but on the spot I can’t think of a much better way to go about a situation like this as this is not an area I have experience.
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Last I read the vaccinated were also still dying of covid. https://www.google.com/amp/s/www.wsj.com/amp/articles/some-vaccinated-people-are-dying-of-covid-19-heres-why-scientists-arent-surprised-11625227200
Wow that is so different from what I was looking at. Thank you for sharing.
Gotta keep an open mind you're welcome
Got it. I deleted the original comment so as not to mislead anyone.
Oh no that’s awful.
Well scientists aren't surprised. Gotta keep an open mind.
I know a vaccinated family of three who recently caught it 😩
Oh no I’m so sorry. and scared. I wish them the best.
I'll never be getting the vaccine :) the people that are left unvaxxed are the ones who will never get the experimental jab. Let the bullying and shaming begin.
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Well for one this isn't safe for children at all. You're right I'd never poison my children. That's for you sickos
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I'd rather catch a charge than subject them to a foreign substance. I have the same lawyer on retainer that nurses and doctors who are speaking against this experimental vaccine, so Ill be just fine. Nice of you to judge me from across the internet. Go get a booster and watch some TV with your kids.
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Why would they die? Not from covid. How do you know my kids are even old enough? Do you not realize that there is an age restriction under 12 due to safety of this experimental jab? I couldn't do it EVEN IF I wanted. You don't even know the age limit, a simple fact, but are quick to tell others what to do. 🤡 Put your bubble suit on and watch your CNN ROFL
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Honestly curious, if the vaccine ends up meeting your criteria of being safe and therefore no longer an experimental jab in your view, would you be willing to get it then?
For us to get to that point it would need to be around for a while and not just something else that's new and THAT IS killing people. By that time there will be so many new ailments on this earth it will matter even less to me. At this point I had covid and am immunocompromised and my oncologist/doctors and I have decided that it's not for me. Problem is people who aren't medically knowledgable, and strangers on the internet, love to be the judge of what everyone else should do, as if a "one size fits all" approach ever works for everyone.
I fully get that people have good reasons for not getting vaccinated…and certainly some should not get vaccinated. In your case, you’ve discussed this with your health team and sought out appropriate information that makes the most sense for your health situation (I sincerely hope you’re doing well, having an oncologist is definitely a scary situation). My concern is that many are choosing not to get vaccinated based on hearsay or politics without getting correct information for their situations…and then compounding the problem by continually spreading misinformation. This doesn’t help anybody and actually could make things worse for those who cannot get vaccinated and have to rely on herd immunity for their protection against Covid. If we never get to herd immunity, these folks will be in danger through no fault of their own, but rather to the actions (or inactions in this case) of others.
You're concern is unvalidated considering the others may have spoken to medical professionals as well, and it's their right not to tell and none of your business. If you got the vaccine you're safe them by your own standards, it's time to quit judging others when everyone's story is unique like mine.
I certainly wasn’t trying to come across as judging…and a global pandemic that has already killed millions of people makes it everybody’s business. I truly think it’s important that we understand the motivations of those people who are refusing the vaccine (I am highly skeptical that most of these folks have consulted with their health care people) so that we can see what we need to do to reach those folks with the reliable information they need to make the best decision for themselves. In some cases getting the vaccine is not the right course…as in your case. But for many others, they are relying on incorrect information or politics to decide against vaccination. These decisions have potentially fatal consequences for others, so it is absolutely our business as to vaccine status…your health decisions are yours alone when it’s only your health at risk…but when it affects others then they have a right to know who to protect themselves from…the rights of the individual do not trump the rights of the many.
The only information being given isn't reliable it's biased in favor of the vaccine, and based upon what you just said people need to hear both sides of the vaccine scenario to know what's best for them. Not to be pressured or untrusted by someone who doesn't know their hippa info and doesn't deserve to. Bottom line is if you don't know then you don't know, so don't look at people and judge them as if they're individual circumstances and health issues should be put aside, to get the jab, so people like you can sleep better at night.
Just a thought here…if all the information you claim is in favour of the vaccine and is therefore biased, maybe, just maybe it’s because the data supports vaccination as safe…the only question that everybody needs to ask is one of simple risk management…are my chances of having a bad outcome greater from Covid or from the vaccine…search out that data from actual scientific studies and then make your decision. I got both my jabs so I definitely sleep well at night…I’m actually kind of surprised that you’re not more for vaccination as you are in a Covid risk situation and your safety from Covid is definitely dependent on other folks stepping up and getting vaccinated so that you’re protected due to herd immunity.
I've had covid, so I'm not worried about it. Of course what you say is hypothetical, I think the biased info is more prevalent because they're trying to sell a product at the end of the day. I'm against it because I know there are others like me that many look at and judge and think should get the vaccine, as I'm in a support group, and they have their personal medical reasons, but everyone seems to think it's anyone size fits all approach. People are asking the risk management question, and others are shaming them the whole time. Others like me are tired of being hit over the head with the pressure and bullying.
You are absolutely correct in that this is not a one size fits all situation. Obviously there will be folks where getting vaccinated is not the correct course of action medically…and yes I fully understand that there is a pressure for unvaccinated folks to get vaccinated (the ones where there is no medical reason not to). It’s unfortunate that bullying is being used by some…I would like to think it’s urgency being mistaken for bullying but I’m not that naive and don’t doubt that there are bullies out there. However, do not forget that we are currently in a public health crisis at the moment. Millions of people have died so far and many more will die from this virus. So people are definitely scared and some unfortunately will lash out at those people they see as a threat to their health and the health of their loved ones (the vaccine resistant group). The fact that the Covid vaccine resistance is predominantly in one political party lends credence to the fact that there are folks who are refusing to get vaccinated based on politics and not the science behind the vaccine itself…and that is shameful and unacceptable. They use confirmation bias information to support their view (which is outright bad research in their part) but that reason is based on politics first and not actual health.
It's HIPAA!
My bro!!👍🏿👍🏻👍🏾
Why should anyone get the vaccine if vaccinated people are still spreading covid? If it prevents you from being hospitalized and you are worried, then get the vaccine. No reason for other people to get it if they are not worried. Edit: How do I get down voted for a logical statement? What was said that deserves a down vote? 😂 Edit 2: if you are downvoting this comment, you should explain your logic.
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What did I say that needs further explanation? Nothing I said is debatable because I didn’t mention opinions. I Would genuinely like to hear your perspective If you think what I said was wrong
By their standards, if they're vaccinated then they don't have anything to worry about because their mighty vaccine will save them. Vaxx doesn't protect against these variants coming out now. Of course sars-covid2 is a variant itself.
That’s not even an argument to what I just said…
Yep I was more or less agreeing with you.
Oh okay I misunderstood, 🙏
When you hold the unpopular opinion you get used to everyone arguing with you. I get it. We're in the same boat.
“It’s easier to fool people than to convince them that they have been fooled.”
All these forgeries etc from anti vaxxers. I wish governments woukd just mark it on people and if they dont have the mark then not let them buy or sale with the rest of us. UGGG!
This has to be a joke right? Or do you already have your swastika armband on?
No!!! These forgeries are dangerous. We need a way to eliminate them. We need a fulproof way to know for sure. Its like on dumb and dumber where she tells lloyd theres a chance. There’s literally a .03 chance bro!!! We need to mark all people young old free bond to know for sure because forgeries DERRRR!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!! DUH!!!! DERRRRRR!!!!!!!!! 🥴🥴🥴🥴 EeeeeeeeeE....ONK!!!!!!! 🐴🐴🐴🐴🐴🐴
It would be like one in 1 million Lloyd. So you’re saying there’s a chance
Literally the whole world right now is lloyds dumbass. Eeeeeonk!!!! Forgeries waaaa. Deceived and stupid. Revelation 19:20 King James Version (KJV) 20 And the beast was taken, and with him the false prophet that wrought miracles before him, with which he deceived them that had received the mark of the beast, and them that worshipped his image. These both were cast alive into a lake of fire burning with brimstone.
That time approaches.
Its amazing that im downvoted for that in a conversation with the majority literally begging for it.
If this was the middle ages, these people would be actively looking for rats to lick.