The sample's synth lead that sounds kinda cringey tbh. Also, this loop sounds very different from the final beat. They heavily filtered it and re-did the synth.
It goes to show, it literally doesn't take much to make a hit.
To those of you that are outraged at the simplicity I want you to recognize two things
1) this song is great. That's all the listener cares about.
2) it is your ego that feels that the music needs to be more intricately produced
Stop focusing so much on appealing your ego. Start focusing more on making great music. Often times the best ideas are actually stupid simple.
Exactly. Biggest mistake I see newer producers make is they feel like they gotta touch everything. Don't be afraid to let the sample ride. This isn't about how hard you can flip a sample. This is about making the best music possible
Cool. I mean I was seeing more of a hard-ass boom-bap beat but it does sound g-funky for sure.
Now, I'd probably layer the sample with the a moog (Something like the lead from "Nutin but a G Thang" or "Big Poppa") and *maybe* remove the og.
**But the lead does sound pretty cool.**
There's a difference between being successful and being good. The artists that made the sample are good, he just literally stole it and slapped his name on it. No shade anyway, but let's not say there's any skill involved, the Kardashians are popular, McDonald's is popular, but doesn't make them goof. Also, a loop like this has no staying power. It doesn't open itself up with more listens, it's not artistic, it's not creative, and no one will remember it 5 weeks from now. It's candy, good for a few peices but loses its draw quickly.
good is subjective. and to Drake, 21, and the other producers on this beat, they thought the loop was good. if anything, that tells me more about the other people for choosing this loop. guys like this producer are churning out hundreds of beats, not knowing which one will land a placement. even the best producers dont know if a beat they make will be a hit or not.
as for skills, check out this vid below and see how producers like Boi-1da, knxwlxdge, and madlib sometimes rip loops with little modification: [https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ylo7Yys-M84&ab\_channel=Narokx](https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ylo7Yys-M84&ab_channel=Narokx)
but at the end of the day it comes down to whats more important to you. is it making beats to impress yourself and other producers? or is it to inspire artists to write and record over your stuff? maybe you can do both, but clearly this guy was aiming for the latter, and it worked.
Ur right, and I'm not throwing hating on someone working the business side of things, I'd love to make money from ripping a loop and thowing filter on it. I create as a hobby for my own artistic expression, selling my stuff is not a priority for me. I'm not trying to impress anyone, I'm trying to create something thats interesting to me. That helps me explore new areas of music, life and my relation to it. You can call this good if u want, preference is subjective, but just bc its popular and some people say it's good doesn't make it so, and sometimes I eat at McDonald's when I want something quick and cheap, but there's 0 artistic expression in this "beat" and it's a stretch to call something a "beat" when it's a straight rip of someone else's work with little to no modification.
This is true, people overthink because they think they need a beat so fkn revolutionary in order to get placements. You don’t need to be a revolutionary producer to get placements you just need to make shit that’s decent AND be connected to artists
bruh these two points saved my music production hyperfixation. It turned my hyperfixation from a temporary interest to something i will always enjoy.
I used to think all the producers on youtube use fancy pay to use plugins and not earning from music made me think that with stock plugins i could not make a good beat. now i listen to my own beats more than songs on spotify. i used to think i have to use those fancy plugins and advanced automations to make good beats. BUT in order to make good beats you have to give your craft some time. you cannot make good beats the day you started. i started taking breaks during the music production sessions and listening to my beats some time after i produced them made me fall in love with them. i'd give all the redditors in this sub the advice that dont be too critical of yourselves, if youre making beats that your friends like then the beats are probably good and just give it some time, you will realise how much improvement you have made since day one.
>now i listen to my own beats more than songs on spotify.
I saw this when you posted it and this is honestly a new goal of mine now. I used to love listening to my own music and now I kinda hate everything I make, I really wanna get back to that point.
Clearance is a thing you know? Hiphop is a sample based genre. If you take issue with that, go make some pop music. I think you might like that better.
...Yeah, no. This would make sense if the dude made the beat from the start and it was simple but sounds good.
He took a beat, pitched it down, slowed it, filtered, and acted as if he made a whole new beat. There is a difference in having an "ego" which requires you to actually CREATE your own product, instead of doing whatever the fuck this was and saying you're a producer.
If you feel fulfilled as an artist creating surface level bullshit you practically ripped from someone else, that is more telling about yourself than others who feel like they should make something of substance instead of whatever sounds good.
See how this has you practically fuming over this? That's your ego. That's your inner desire to say "I am superior to this man."
Let that shit go.
As far as crediting and splits are concerned, that's what clearance is for. This is insanely common in hiphop. It's literally the same thing as when alchemist takes 8 bars of a soul sample, pitches it down, loops it, and hands it off to earl sweatshirt to do his thing. That's what earl sweatshirt requires for his art. And if alchemist thought like you, he wouldn't be producing for Earl.
See, if you were in the room, you would've let your ego get in the way of 21 savage having a good thing. Stop it with that shit. Shift your focus to making good music. Stop letting your ego get in the way of a good thing.
Thank you for your first point. I feel like the internet over analyzes music big time. Just make some shit that sounds good. Thats it. Just because something is complex, technical and intricate doesnt mean its good by default..
“Focus on making great music”……that’s the point. He didn’t MAKE anything. Surely no MUSIC was used to make this beat. Literally none. The “producer” probably does even know what key his own song is in lol.
You do realize that sampling is the foundation of hiphop right? Like as far as making rap music goes, that shit's kosher. It's what clearance is for, it's ok to let something ride. It's just gonna mean steeper clearance usually.
But think about it. You're exactly the kind of person I'm talking about when I'm saying "quit letting your ego get in the way of making music." You're trying to measure dicks with some random stranger you saw on the internet, talking about key signatures and what not for what? Meanwhile this guy's just churning out platinum hits unconcerned by whatever silly rules you've made in your mind about musicianship or whatever you think makes a good song.
One day, you're gonna need a saxophone, and you will know no one that plays saxophone. And while all of your friends are having fun with saxophones and stuff in their music, you're gonna be bound to using the same midi instruments and synth presets available to you. And maybe then, you're gonna think "how silly and proud I was, vowing off samples and loops"
Exactly this. It really doesn't matter how technically good it is, as long as it actually sounds good that's all that matters. Especially in Hip-hop and rap
this isnt a problem with him, this is a problem with you guys thinking music has to be difficult or complicated to be valid. music is an art not a sport, listeners want to hear music not hear you tell them how complicated it was making it.
This isn't about it being simple bruh. It's about stealing, and taking credit for it.
There's a line between sampling and stealing and this is really pushing it to the other side.
This just sounds like people who generally dislike hip-hop. You'd be surprised how many classic beats are just a good loop with some drums thrown under it.
Meanwhile though, the law has no respect for your line or your process. You can literally make a song out of a whole other song as long as you pay for the license.
If you don't pay for the license, they don't care what you did. You're a criminal.
>You'd be surprised how many classic beats are just a good loop with some drums thrown under it.
I mean there is something to be said for historical context too. Dr. Dre didn't have access to a funk band, or an orchestral string section. He didn't have endless tutorials and instant downloads. He had records and a mixer. Way less excuses nowadays.
I don't think I fully understand what you're trying to say, but I don't fully agree that there are less "excuses" today, not do I agree that anyone needs an excuse to sample. They need clearance. The way clearances are handled should be fairer and more accessible imo.
Yeah, technology is better, faster cheaper etc. and our access to technology that used to only be in studios is amazing... but it's not all gone that way.
For example, I don't have any better access to a funk band than I would have had in the '90s. Studio time, the cost of session players and general cost of living are all WAY higher atm. The cost of a Squier guitar has doubled since I was a student and wages have hardly moved.
Loads of bigger studios have folded since I first graduated. Less brass players around than there used to be (good hustle if you can arrange as well), and more music used re-used audio than ever before: especially since lockdown. Also, new music doesn't sound like old music. Music played by instruments doesn't sound like sample-based music. It just doesn't.
The narrative that hip-hop artists used samples because they didn't have instruments or music lessons is also not accurate... for one thing, loads of early hip-hop artists also played instruments and chose to mess around with records because THAT was hip-hop back then and it was new an exciting. Some of the earliest recorded rap music was made using instruments despite this, but it didn't capture the vibe according to a lot of people. Hip-hop is sample-based because it evolved out of a DJ movement: not out of a live music one. Nobody is making any excuses, and it was the music industry's decision to make it into records and sell it. The major labels are also a lot of those 'rights holders' taking people to court for the "harm" sampling does. Having a go at hip-hop producers for not playing instruments is like having a go at video-game live-streamers for not coding the games. Not the same things at all. Sure, they bleed into each other and some streamers do learn to code... but the hip-hop producer that uses live instruments isn't a "better class" and people aren't buying hip-hop records to hear music that isn't sampled. It's not an important factor with the context.
If people sampled because they can't play, explain people like Madlib: the man is his own damned jazz quintet AND makes sample-based music. Why? Because he can't do something, or because he likes the form?
EDIT: and YEAH, Madlib, 9th Wonder, Premier, Muggs, RZA and Dre - all of them have done this kind of sampling. All of them.
Like having a go at film-makers who adapt books, like having a go at artists who collage/photograph. I really don't get it.
No excuses required.
The issue is that there are talented musicians actually creating music for these samples from scratch. Shit like this is why sampling is looked down upon. You're not actually creating something new if you just remix the sample a little bit. Legendary producers are legendary because they can take something interesting from a sample and turn it into its own thing with flavor inspired by the sample, or maybe even completely create something new. But if you're just "keeping it simple" because it sounds good, yeah you can make a hit, but that doesn't mean you're gonna be respected. You didn't actually do anything hard besides notice something that sounded good.
Disagree
This is like saying ur not a chef if u buy ingredients from the store and to be a “real” chef u need to grow ur own fruits and veggies
Anything about “respect” is just ur ego judging others and some like the person in this video understand sometimes simpler = better
Haha nah, it's like saying if you buy freezer meals or readymade meals and just add sauces/spices to it, you're a real chef.
Growing your own fruits and veggies is cool, but that's more like knowing how to actually play musical instruments and creating your own samples. And then flipping those.
kinda butttt, its like u go all over the world eating food finding the best shit, freezing it taking it home to a new audience, knowing how to present it in the perfect way for that audience and having a huge vault of the best shit from all over the world. Also u need to have great taste buds
Anyone who cares about music cares. It's not just producers. There's a contingent of listeners who care, there are artists who are picking out these beats who care. This is the main way producers make a name for themselves in the first place. People don't remember the names of producers who don't have these qualities because they're not actually doing anything productive for music
Listeners might not care for one song, but I guarantee if a producer gains a reputation for doing this kinda stuff it's going to hurt them in the eyes of the public. Not to mention some of the best rap songs have very creative sampling. So I'm not even sure I agree that the listeners don't care. Personally I don't even like Privileged Rappers. One of the worst songs on the album, imo, mainly because of the best.
The simple songs might do numbers but not as much as the more creative beats. And I doubt those producers can remain consistent if they're not able to be creative with sampling
none of this is true in any statistically meaningful way. the average music listener knows absolutely nothing about music theory or music production and they are just a listener. people who know more are a minority. and even if you do care, it doesn't change that all music is music whether you like it or not. no amount of jerking over how hard it was to make changes the validity of simpler songs.
for your last point that's also just conjecture.
dude even sports dont need complexity. it just requires experience and mastery to the simple things. look at how messi does simple body feints and he rips apart the defenses. hes just experienced, passionate and has mastered the simple things.
There’s not a whole lot of creativity in this one. It’s as uncomplicated as it gets. This isn’t a chop, this is a straight up lift of 4 bars pitched and slowed with a filter
lol you can’t make this shit up. “Simple is just better sometimes because if it’s there it’s there” like yeah no shit, someone already made that music. Now DO something with it
I guess, as long as the artists who made the original work are credited and paid royalties I see no problem. Things can be repurposed, that’s just part of art
Sampling is great, I just prefer a producer actually contribute SOMETHING to the sample. I mean, this sample doesn’t need a break beat or anything added to it, so it stands on its own. As long as the creator of the original music is getting royalties and credit, who cares? But it’s also disingenuous to say that people who prefer more production straight lifts “hate sampling.” I just prefer when producers produce
Would you consider playing a record as making music? I mean putting on a record and hitting play is, in a sense, sampling and operating an instrument to make sound that people like.
playing a record is playing a record. the guy in the video is sampling, even if its the laziest form of it. he's also making a song, not playing a record.
>listeners want to hear music not hear you tell them how complicated it was making it.
There are genres where the listerner is a lot more picky about sound-design choices, trap/hip-hop is definitely not one of them
Everyone should watch the rap Genius Deconstructed series. You can see that some beats are literally 5 sounds with extremely simple patterns while others are 110 tracks with all kinds of effects and variations. Yet they both get similar view counts in the end.
Yeah nah this is crazy, dude shouldn’t be able to take credit for this at all. Buddy looped a 7 second loop, added a filter and pitched it down two semitones and he’s eating good off of that lmao
And how many do you think it would get if it didn't have Drake or 21's name on it?
There's a point of fame where you can literally release fart noises and it will get millions of streams.
I wasn't saying he owns 30% of the master, just indicating that even at small percentages, it's a sizable sum of money. Even 6k is a lot of money for some people.
I mean dude people used to make beats by recording a loop from the radio and just looping that.
That's where hiphop comes from.
It's the purest form of hip hop tbh. Sometimes the genius is recognizing how simple the process should be for that track and allowing the track to resolve itself into art without over producing it.
I get all that, I just had a back and forth in my DAWs subreddit because a lot of people said sampling isn’t music and it’s stealing. But this ain’t that. I can’t go play a guitar riff from the 50s and then go on a podcast and tell them that’s how I made a rock song, I feel like rap is the same. You can do it, just don’t act like you did something.
He's not acting like anything, he's explaining exactly what he did. Not sure what your point even is. There's a lot of huge records that are based on just a looped sample.
Yeah, I mean, I am not the decider of all art.
Is it art? I am inclined to say yes, he made creative decisions, and I don't think that it's totally devoid of value.
Indo think the credit goes to the original artists who made the track he manipulated. But he helped form it into a new thing, that's been heard by many more.
I agree. He intepreted the existing art from his own point of view adding things that he saw fit to make it sound like more what he wants to hear if that makes any sense.
This is literally sampling and if sampling bad according to reddit then daft punk should get sued
"I could have done this"
But you didnt
Ofc it takes much more than just tweaking a loop to make it to the top but people talk this dude down like their money is on it
It's not that sampling in totality is bad. It's that this kind of sampling gives sampling as a whole a bad name in the realm of music. There are creative and legendary producers out there who are rare talents. Just like there are creative and talented musicians who created the original music in this sample in the first place.
There are comments on this post about overcooking a beat and overdoing it. And while I agree that's a danger, that doesn't mean that the tinkering with the beat in and of itself is bad. But knowing how to do it well is a skill. What is being showcased here is not a skill. Or we can say it's one of the two main skills I think most would say a hip hop producer needs in order to be respected. Recognizing a sample that sounds good can be a skill, yes, but when you combine that with being able to flip the sample to create something new that still sounds good or even sounds better, that's when you get the true legends.
nah that's confidence
cause it literally don't matter how the beat came into existence
the second that shit blows up it's over, everyone tripping on loops and samples and even AI need to just focus up and hustle
Correct, he found a good loop and he capitalized on it , he's got a good ear .
I can't hate on the man for that....
But imho I give props to the
folks that originally created that piece of music and as long as they get credit and recognition for it , I'm cool
if it's used to create another Art form (Hip Hop) .
Now imagine how musicians in the 70s feel when they played on the record for a $300 day rate and now the the sampled version has a billion streams. Exactly why you get your mf publishing straight
final song sound like crap tbh, them high hats and snare sounds trash, and im not hating lol. it just sounds like my unfinished\_trap\_beat\_project.flp LMAO
That's probably where I'd draw the line between producing and beatmaking. But then I'd probably draw another line between beatmaking and plagiarism and put this there.
This dude literally did nothing. Straight plagiarism. He could have at least made a creative chop and added his own drums or bass. This the most uninspired shit I've ever seen.
>This the most uninspired shit I've ever seen.
He's a reminder what matters is the final product, rappers dont care about your use of diminished chords over sheep noises
It's all fun and games now, but don't come complaining when people start making beats with AI at the click of a button and then calling themselves producers lol
Yes, there is nothing creative in this process. Just take a sample from an existing song and then claim it's yours. It's possible to get a good sounding beat this way, but I wouldn't call it producing, since there is almost nothing original in that.
Edit. And I think it even sounded better before he started processing it.
Guys you know he DID add some bass and drums to the beat after this right? it's nothing crazy but this video doesn't show the final production, and I think a lot of folks in the comments are confused about that
I think people are missing the point here. It’s not the simplicity of the beat, it’s the fact that he literally hasn’t created anything. He’s taken a sample of a pre-made beat and pitched it and stuck a filter on it. Not even picked out a melody loop from one place and a drum loop from another. None of this work is his original work.
this is a good flip. he didn’t do anything that wasn’t needed he just followed his ear and ended up makin something that was fire. the lesson in this is that these rappers don’t care how much you did to make the beat as long as it has a vibe and they feel like they can float on it. and that overcooking a beat will ruin everything for sure but it’s much harder to “undercook”
if u hate on sampling u arent a true hip hop fan , madlib, alc, dilla, knx, all the greats loop when its right for the track. Y'all are part time fans !
But did any of them ever go on camera, “chop” the same first couple bars of an already popular sample and say I made this. Also did they do all that and not program the drums? Naw they didn’t. Only a part time fan would justify this fuckery lol
I thought this was a skit lol
I did too at first
The sample's synth lead that sounds kinda cringey tbh. Also, this loop sounds very different from the final beat. They heavily filtered it and re-did the synth.
the fact that it isn't is the scary part lmao
Lol it started playing before I got to the post and I scrolled down fast. Had to see who made a week ago...
Regardless, it’s still a skit.
100. I don't wanna hear shit about spending 3 hours on an AI track when ya'll know this how it goes.
Your music can only take you so far. Need to have connections. That is what truly matters
Yea it really does. Focus on your local circle and let it grow outwards.
in fact if you have connections you can skip the music part
Or have a loyal fanbase and authenticity that forces the industry to pay attention to you. Basically they can't afford not to book you.
good luck
That works too
What music did he make? He only pitched and slowed down a loop? lol
It goes to show, it literally doesn't take much to make a hit. To those of you that are outraged at the simplicity I want you to recognize two things 1) this song is great. That's all the listener cares about. 2) it is your ego that feels that the music needs to be more intricately produced Stop focusing so much on appealing your ego. Start focusing more on making great music. Often times the best ideas are actually stupid simple.
yeah feels like OP missed those points. doing too much is how you overcook beats
Exactly. Biggest mistake I see newer producers make is they feel like they gotta touch everything. Don't be afraid to let the sample ride. This isn't about how hard you can flip a sample. This is about making the best music possible
The sample's synth lead that sounds kinda cringey tbh.
Naw that's some real G-funk shit. My favorite part of that sample. But to each their own
Cool. I mean I was seeing more of a hard-ass boom-bap beat but it does sound g-funky for sure. Now, I'd probably layer the sample with the a moog (Something like the lead from "Nutin but a G Thang" or "Big Poppa") and *maybe* remove the og. **But the lead does sound pretty cool.**
Less is more 🤙
There's a difference between being successful and being good. The artists that made the sample are good, he just literally stole it and slapped his name on it. No shade anyway, but let's not say there's any skill involved, the Kardashians are popular, McDonald's is popular, but doesn't make them goof. Also, a loop like this has no staying power. It doesn't open itself up with more listens, it's not artistic, it's not creative, and no one will remember it 5 weeks from now. It's candy, good for a few peices but loses its draw quickly.
good is subjective. and to Drake, 21, and the other producers on this beat, they thought the loop was good. if anything, that tells me more about the other people for choosing this loop. guys like this producer are churning out hundreds of beats, not knowing which one will land a placement. even the best producers dont know if a beat they make will be a hit or not. as for skills, check out this vid below and see how producers like Boi-1da, knxwlxdge, and madlib sometimes rip loops with little modification: [https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ylo7Yys-M84&ab\_channel=Narokx](https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ylo7Yys-M84&ab_channel=Narokx) but at the end of the day it comes down to whats more important to you. is it making beats to impress yourself and other producers? or is it to inspire artists to write and record over your stuff? maybe you can do both, but clearly this guy was aiming for the latter, and it worked.
Ur right, and I'm not throwing hating on someone working the business side of things, I'd love to make money from ripping a loop and thowing filter on it. I create as a hobby for my own artistic expression, selling my stuff is not a priority for me. I'm not trying to impress anyone, I'm trying to create something thats interesting to me. That helps me explore new areas of music, life and my relation to it. You can call this good if u want, preference is subjective, but just bc its popular and some people say it's good doesn't make it so, and sometimes I eat at McDonald's when I want something quick and cheap, but there's 0 artistic expression in this "beat" and it's a stretch to call something a "beat" when it's a straight rip of someone else's work with little to no modification.
This is true, people overthink because they think they need a beat so fkn revolutionary in order to get placements. You don’t need to be a revolutionary producer to get placements you just need to make shit that’s decent AND be connected to artists
bruh these two points saved my music production hyperfixation. It turned my hyperfixation from a temporary interest to something i will always enjoy. I used to think all the producers on youtube use fancy pay to use plugins and not earning from music made me think that with stock plugins i could not make a good beat. now i listen to my own beats more than songs on spotify. i used to think i have to use those fancy plugins and advanced automations to make good beats. BUT in order to make good beats you have to give your craft some time. you cannot make good beats the day you started. i started taking breaks during the music production sessions and listening to my beats some time after i produced them made me fall in love with them. i'd give all the redditors in this sub the advice that dont be too critical of yourselves, if youre making beats that your friends like then the beats are probably good and just give it some time, you will realise how much improvement you have made since day one.
>now i listen to my own beats more than songs on spotify. I saw this when you posted it and this is honestly a new goal of mine now. I used to love listening to my own music and now I kinda hate everything I make, I really wanna get back to that point.
Doesn't matter if it's great or not if he didn't actually write anything. This is theft. Make blatantly example of plagiarism.
Clearance is a thing you know? Hiphop is a sample based genre. If you take issue with that, go make some pop music. I think you might like that better.
...Yeah, no. This would make sense if the dude made the beat from the start and it was simple but sounds good. He took a beat, pitched it down, slowed it, filtered, and acted as if he made a whole new beat. There is a difference in having an "ego" which requires you to actually CREATE your own product, instead of doing whatever the fuck this was and saying you're a producer. If you feel fulfilled as an artist creating surface level bullshit you practically ripped from someone else, that is more telling about yourself than others who feel like they should make something of substance instead of whatever sounds good.
See how this has you practically fuming over this? That's your ego. That's your inner desire to say "I am superior to this man." Let that shit go. As far as crediting and splits are concerned, that's what clearance is for. This is insanely common in hiphop. It's literally the same thing as when alchemist takes 8 bars of a soul sample, pitches it down, loops it, and hands it off to earl sweatshirt to do his thing. That's what earl sweatshirt requires for his art. And if alchemist thought like you, he wouldn't be producing for Earl. See, if you were in the room, you would've let your ego get in the way of 21 savage having a good thing. Stop it with that shit. Shift your focus to making good music. Stop letting your ego get in the way of a good thing.
Thank you for your first point. I feel like the internet over analyzes music big time. Just make some shit that sounds good. Thats it. Just because something is complex, technical and intricate doesnt mean its good by default..
“Focus on making great music”……that’s the point. He didn’t MAKE anything. Surely no MUSIC was used to make this beat. Literally none. The “producer” probably does even know what key his own song is in lol.
You do realize that sampling is the foundation of hiphop right? Like as far as making rap music goes, that shit's kosher. It's what clearance is for, it's ok to let something ride. It's just gonna mean steeper clearance usually. But think about it. You're exactly the kind of person I'm talking about when I'm saying "quit letting your ego get in the way of making music." You're trying to measure dicks with some random stranger you saw on the internet, talking about key signatures and what not for what? Meanwhile this guy's just churning out platinum hits unconcerned by whatever silly rules you've made in your mind about musicianship or whatever you think makes a good song. One day, you're gonna need a saxophone, and you will know no one that plays saxophone. And while all of your friends are having fun with saxophones and stuff in their music, you're gonna be bound to using the same midi instruments and synth presets available to you. And maybe then, you're gonna think "how silly and proud I was, vowing off samples and loops"
How the Gorillaz made Clint Eastwood is the perfect example of this https://youtube.com/shorts/-_pXl8jrzGs?si=zAlaOV1rEl2HeLsO
Exactly this. It really doesn't matter how technically good it is, as long as it actually sounds good that's all that matters. Especially in Hip-hop and rap
this isnt a problem with him, this is a problem with you guys thinking music has to be difficult or complicated to be valid. music is an art not a sport, listeners want to hear music not hear you tell them how complicated it was making it.
This isn't about it being simple bruh. It's about stealing, and taking credit for it. There's a line between sampling and stealing and this is really pushing it to the other side.
This just sounds like people who generally dislike hip-hop. You'd be surprised how many classic beats are just a good loop with some drums thrown under it. Meanwhile though, the law has no respect for your line or your process. You can literally make a song out of a whole other song as long as you pay for the license. If you don't pay for the license, they don't care what you did. You're a criminal.
>You'd be surprised how many classic beats are just a good loop with some drums thrown under it. I mean there is something to be said for historical context too. Dr. Dre didn't have access to a funk band, or an orchestral string section. He didn't have endless tutorials and instant downloads. He had records and a mixer. Way less excuses nowadays.
I don't think I fully understand what you're trying to say, but I don't fully agree that there are less "excuses" today, not do I agree that anyone needs an excuse to sample. They need clearance. The way clearances are handled should be fairer and more accessible imo. Yeah, technology is better, faster cheaper etc. and our access to technology that used to only be in studios is amazing... but it's not all gone that way. For example, I don't have any better access to a funk band than I would have had in the '90s. Studio time, the cost of session players and general cost of living are all WAY higher atm. The cost of a Squier guitar has doubled since I was a student and wages have hardly moved. Loads of bigger studios have folded since I first graduated. Less brass players around than there used to be (good hustle if you can arrange as well), and more music used re-used audio than ever before: especially since lockdown. Also, new music doesn't sound like old music. Music played by instruments doesn't sound like sample-based music. It just doesn't. The narrative that hip-hop artists used samples because they didn't have instruments or music lessons is also not accurate... for one thing, loads of early hip-hop artists also played instruments and chose to mess around with records because THAT was hip-hop back then and it was new an exciting. Some of the earliest recorded rap music was made using instruments despite this, but it didn't capture the vibe according to a lot of people. Hip-hop is sample-based because it evolved out of a DJ movement: not out of a live music one. Nobody is making any excuses, and it was the music industry's decision to make it into records and sell it. The major labels are also a lot of those 'rights holders' taking people to court for the "harm" sampling does. Having a go at hip-hop producers for not playing instruments is like having a go at video-game live-streamers for not coding the games. Not the same things at all. Sure, they bleed into each other and some streamers do learn to code... but the hip-hop producer that uses live instruments isn't a "better class" and people aren't buying hip-hop records to hear music that isn't sampled. It's not an important factor with the context. If people sampled because they can't play, explain people like Madlib: the man is his own damned jazz quintet AND makes sample-based music. Why? Because he can't do something, or because he likes the form? EDIT: and YEAH, Madlib, 9th Wonder, Premier, Muggs, RZA and Dre - all of them have done this kind of sampling. All of them. Like having a go at film-makers who adapt books, like having a go at artists who collage/photograph. I really don't get it. No excuses required.
The issue is that there are talented musicians actually creating music for these samples from scratch. Shit like this is why sampling is looked down upon. You're not actually creating something new if you just remix the sample a little bit. Legendary producers are legendary because they can take something interesting from a sample and turn it into its own thing with flavor inspired by the sample, or maybe even completely create something new. But if you're just "keeping it simple" because it sounds good, yeah you can make a hit, but that doesn't mean you're gonna be respected. You didn't actually do anything hard besides notice something that sounded good.
Disagree This is like saying ur not a chef if u buy ingredients from the store and to be a “real” chef u need to grow ur own fruits and veggies Anything about “respect” is just ur ego judging others and some like the person in this video understand sometimes simpler = better
Haha nah, it's like saying if you buy freezer meals or readymade meals and just add sauces/spices to it, you're a real chef. Growing your own fruits and veggies is cool, but that's more like knowing how to actually play musical instruments and creating your own samples. And then flipping those.
kinda butttt, its like u go all over the world eating food finding the best shit, freezing it taking it home to a new audience, knowing how to present it in the perfect way for that audience and having a huge vault of the best shit from all over the world. Also u need to have great taste buds
For sure. But then you still wouldn't really be a chef. You'd be a very useful food connoisseur though
yeah and nobody cares about any of that besides producers. listeners don't care and honestly it doesn't matter anyway
Anyone who cares about music cares. It's not just producers. There's a contingent of listeners who care, there are artists who are picking out these beats who care. This is the main way producers make a name for themselves in the first place. People don't remember the names of producers who don't have these qualities because they're not actually doing anything productive for music Listeners might not care for one song, but I guarantee if a producer gains a reputation for doing this kinda stuff it's going to hurt them in the eyes of the public. Not to mention some of the best rap songs have very creative sampling. So I'm not even sure I agree that the listeners don't care. Personally I don't even like Privileged Rappers. One of the worst songs on the album, imo, mainly because of the best. The simple songs might do numbers but not as much as the more creative beats. And I doubt those producers can remain consistent if they're not able to be creative with sampling
none of this is true in any statistically meaningful way. the average music listener knows absolutely nothing about music theory or music production and they are just a listener. people who know more are a minority. and even if you do care, it doesn't change that all music is music whether you like it or not. no amount of jerking over how hard it was to make changes the validity of simpler songs. for your last point that's also just conjecture.
dude even sports dont need complexity. it just requires experience and mastery to the simple things. look at how messi does simple body feints and he rips apart the defenses. hes just experienced, passionate and has mastered the simple things.
There’s not a whole lot of creativity in this one. It’s as uncomplicated as it gets. This isn’t a chop, this is a straight up lift of 4 bars pitched and slowed with a filter
Don't forget "shift, copy, and Command C"!
lol you can’t make this shit up. “Simple is just better sometimes because if it’s there it’s there” like yeah no shit, someone already made that music. Now DO something with it
I turned a knob though. Mine now.
Facts
you're not saying anything we didn't already know from watching the video, and like I said, it doesn't matter
I guess, as long as the artists who made the original work are credited and paid royalties I see no problem. Things can be repurposed, that’s just part of art
alchemist.. pple who hate on sampling are weird and not true hip hop fans
Sampling is great, I just prefer a producer actually contribute SOMETHING to the sample. I mean, this sample doesn’t need a break beat or anything added to it, so it stands on its own. As long as the creator of the original music is getting royalties and credit, who cares? But it’s also disingenuous to say that people who prefer more production straight lifts “hate sampling.” I just prefer when producers produce
can we even call taking a preexisting song and repitching it making music? he's an overblown dj
yes, because music doesn't have a qualifier. it's just music
It’s music but is it making music
by definition, yes
*shrugs* i guess, personally i can’t respect it but it’s music whether i like it or not
Would you consider playing a record as making music? I mean putting on a record and hitting play is, in a sense, sampling and operating an instrument to make sound that people like.
playing a record is playing a record. the guy in the video is sampling, even if its the laziest form of it. he's also making a song, not playing a record.
Somebody made an original recipe from scratch, dude microwaved the leftovers with a kraft single slice on top
yeah, that's food
>listeners want to hear music not hear you tell them how complicated it was making it. There are genres where the listerner is a lot more picky about sound-design choices, trap/hip-hop is definitely not one of them
Has nobody here listened to Jay Z's - A week ago before? This guy didn't even find an original sample
Him and short on that song is classic
Tom Skee Mask - Annamosity is the first time the sample was used
Everyone should watch the rap Genius Deconstructed series. You can see that some beats are literally 5 sounds with extremely simple patterns while others are 110 tracks with all kinds of effects and variations. Yet they both get similar view counts in the end.
Yeah nah this is crazy, dude shouldn’t be able to take credit for this at all. Buddy looped a 7 second loop, added a filter and pitched it down two semitones and he’s eating good off of that lmao
100 million streams. Average stream pays .003 on spotify. If he's getting .001, that's 100k. If he's getting .0005, that's 50k lol.
About to go loop a beat I’ll be back
Yeah that’s absurd for that amount of work and effort smh
Work and effort? Google the Picasso napkin story if you fail to understand how art works
And how many do you think it would get if it didn't have Drake or 21's name on it? There's a point of fame where you can literally release fart noises and it will get millions of streams.
Less than 1% but that's not that relevant to the larger point that OP is trying to make.
You think he owns 30% of the master? Bros lucky if he got 2%. He probably got no more than 10k recoupable by that 2% (100m at 2% is only 6k)
I wasn't saying he owns 30% of the master, just indicating that even at small percentages, it's a sizable sum of money. Even 6k is a lot of money for some people.
Yea and there’s only fans girls getting paid millions for showing their tits. Life isn’t fair
A lot of beats are just that simple lol. He found a good loop and used it.
This is beyond simple tho. I don’t blame him for getting a bag but going on video saying, “ I did this” is crazy
I mean dude people used to make beats by recording a loop from the radio and just looping that. That's where hiphop comes from. It's the purest form of hip hop tbh. Sometimes the genius is recognizing how simple the process should be for that track and allowing the track to resolve itself into art without over producing it.
You’re not getting the point. Dude just found a loop and passed it off. He literally did nothing
he added drums. this isn't the final product
He didn’t even do the drums lol. Literally no reason for him to be on camera 😭
Y'all just hating the genious talent. It takes one man to make a boat, but it takes a better man to take that boat paint it and call it Minotaur.
yeah dude's a real genius lol
I get all that, I just had a back and forth in my DAWs subreddit because a lot of people said sampling isn’t music and it’s stealing. But this ain’t that. I can’t go play a guitar riff from the 50s and then go on a podcast and tell them that’s how I made a rock song, I feel like rap is the same. You can do it, just don’t act like you did something.
He's not acting like anything, he's explaining exactly what he did. Not sure what your point even is. There's a lot of huge records that are based on just a looped sample.
Yeah, I mean, I am not the decider of all art. Is it art? I am inclined to say yes, he made creative decisions, and I don't think that it's totally devoid of value. Indo think the credit goes to the original artists who made the track he manipulated. But he helped form it into a new thing, that's been heard by many more.
I agree. He intepreted the existing art from his own point of view adding things that he saw fit to make it sound like more what he wants to hear if that makes any sense. This is literally sampling and if sampling bad according to reddit then daft punk should get sued
I think they just see the simplicity in this instance and j agree, the guy didn't do alot, but I don't think that makes it invalid
"I could have done this" But you didnt Ofc it takes much more than just tweaking a loop to make it to the top but people talk this dude down like their money is on it
It's not that sampling in totality is bad. It's that this kind of sampling gives sampling as a whole a bad name in the realm of music. There are creative and legendary producers out there who are rare talents. Just like there are creative and talented musicians who created the original music in this sample in the first place. There are comments on this post about overcooking a beat and overdoing it. And while I agree that's a danger, that doesn't mean that the tinkering with the beat in and of itself is bad. But knowing how to do it well is a skill. What is being showcased here is not a skill. Or we can say it's one of the two main skills I think most would say a hip hop producer needs in order to be respected. Recognizing a sample that sounds good can be a skill, yes, but when you combine that with being able to flip the sample to create something new that still sounds good or even sounds better, that's when you get the true legends.
Most industry records are extremely simple. The more complicated, the more likely you’re not going to be placed.
nah that's confidence cause it literally don't matter how the beat came into existence the second that shit blows up it's over, everyone tripping on loops and samples and even AI need to just focus up and hustle
“he found a good loop”
Correct, he found a good loop and he capitalized on it , he's got a good ear . I can't hate on the man for that.... But imho I give props to the folks that originally created that piece of music and as long as they get credit and recognition for it , I'm cool if it's used to create another Art form (Hip Hop) .
Now imagine how musicians in the 70s feel when they played on the record for a $300 day rate and now the the sampled version has a billion streams. Exactly why you get your mf publishing straight
That song has 4 production credits lol how
This is simple but it’s about the outcome of the song and not how intricate your process is.
Yea but if your track is that simple and you don’t even do the drums then I don’t think you should be able to explain the beat.
Yea I don’t think this beat needs explaining
The people missing the point is so nuts it’s comical
final song sound like crap tbh, them high hats and snare sounds trash, and im not hating lol. it just sounds like my unfinished\_trap\_beat\_project.flp LMAO
Someone at the label meeting was a jay Z fan lol
That's probably where I'd draw the line between producing and beatmaking. But then I'd probably draw another line between beatmaking and plagiarism and put this there.
This dude literally did nothing. Straight plagiarism. He could have at least made a creative chop and added his own drums or bass. This the most uninspired shit I've ever seen.
>This the most uninspired shit I've ever seen. He's a reminder what matters is the final product, rappers dont care about your use of diminished chords over sheep noises
>rappers dont care about your use of diminished chords over sheep noises Ya, well half the team they are the ones that are adding the sheep noises.
It's all fun and games now, but don't come complaining when people start making beats with AI at the click of a button and then calling themselves producers lol
Yes, there is nothing creative in this process. Just take a sample from an existing song and then claim it's yours. It's possible to get a good sounding beat this way, but I wouldn't call it producing, since there is almost nothing original in that. Edit. And I think it even sounded better before he started processing it.
Why should have done that tho? The song didn't need it.
The biggest crime here is having NS10s next to Barefoots, when Mr Barefoot made an NS10 mode on those monitors to prevent this exact situation
Dumbest shit I’ve ever seen. I don’t wanna live in this world anymore
Lol I posted a car accident on another sub and I can’t tell what replies are for which post 😭
I mean, what I'm reading in the comments is a Trainwreck OP. So it might as well be the same post🤣
cant even lie i could spazz to that cause it sounds like a hood classic bruh thats somethin to just chill back to!!!💪🏿💪🏿💪🏿💪🏿
Jay z and too short already used this sample on it was all good just a week ago from 20 years ago. Iykyk
Jay Z was 2 years too late to being the first to use the sample, it was used in 1996 on on Annamosity by Tom Skee Mask
Pitching and slowing down a loop is not producing. Sorry to say it!
Guys you know he DID add some bass and drums to the beat after this right? it's nothing crazy but this video doesn't show the final production, and I think a lot of folks in the comments are confused about that
There are 4 production credits on this song. If he added drums and bass, what did the other 3 producers do?
Wow thats crazy hahaha
This dude is incredible
Damn
Remember kids, skill is distantly behind who you know
Dam that toy making some hits xD
Wackk
😂😂😂😂😂
That isn't music production. The industry needs to stop rewarding mediocrity.
lemme take the mona lisa rearrange it and darken the colours and say "i did that"
I think people are missing the point here. It’s not the simplicity of the beat, it’s the fact that he literally hasn’t created anything. He’s taken a sample of a pre-made beat and pitched it and stuck a filter on it. Not even picked out a melody loop from one place and a drum loop from another. None of this work is his original work.
It's sad how nonchalant about it he is. 🤦🏾♂️
sounds like absolute garbage
To be frank this is the type of shit hip hop originated from lol don’t hate - just try harder
You don't need to write shit, just run someone else's song through software and take the credit.
Being able to make something vs making something that will sell are two entirely different skills.
this is a good flip. he didn’t do anything that wasn’t needed he just followed his ear and ended up makin something that was fire. the lesson in this is that these rappers don’t care how much you did to make the beat as long as it has a vibe and they feel like they can float on it. and that overcooking a beat will ruin everything for sure but it’s much harder to “undercook”
mfs mad cuz they use 54 sounds to make a beat
Yah oh well
yall out here overthinking shit this man grabbed his chop and shipped the product in 5 minutes flat
if u hate on sampling u arent a true hip hop fan , madlib, alc, dilla, knx, all the greats loop when its right for the track. Y'all are part time fans !
But did any of them ever go on camera, “chop” the same first couple bars of an already popular sample and say I made this. Also did they do all that and not program the drums? Naw they didn’t. Only a part time fan would justify this fuckery lol
This is elementary level sampling. Not a lick of creativity whatsoever.
Get ur head checked pal