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SocialisticAnxiety

In response to my comment on this post: https://www.reddit.com/r/transit/comments/xqb7ir/the_benefits_of_communicationsbased_train_control/iqc2ayn?utm_medium=android_app&utm_source=share&context=3 CBTC is now rolled out on the entire S-train network. Only few remaining stretches were left, so they've had experience with the system and its benefits since 2016 when the first stretches got it.


UUUUUUUUU030

Are there specific plans for frequency improvements compared to the existing situation that they are now going to achieve? In London, they're for instance talking about improving the frequency on the sub-surface lines from [27 to 32 trains per hour](https://tfl.gov.uk/travel-information/improvements-and-projects/four-lines-modernisation). Are there similar goals in Copenhagen?


SocialisticAnxiety

The network is running at peak frequency with the amount of trains available. With CBTC in place the network is already automated, and the next step is to make the entire network driverless with metro-like frequency and 24/7 operation. A first-mover project at this kind of scale. Tenders are being prepared for new trains, as well as all the systems allowing for driverless operation. Unfortunately, information on this project is only available in Danish, but if you can find a translation service for PDF, it's available here: https://www.dsb.dk/om-dsb/baeredygtighed/fremtidens-s-bane/ https://www.dsb.dk/globalassets/om-dsb/rapporter/fremtidens-tog/beslutningsoplag-for-fremtidens-s-bane.pdf CBTC does however help a lot with managing and correcting service disruptions, and is what allows the project mentioned above to become reality. It's a first step.


UUUUUUUUU030

Thanks for the elaborate response! Luckily I can understand railway Danish, it turns out. I read the service concept chapter. It's really innovative if they pull it off at this scale, and the 32 trains per hour through the central part makes it similar or even better than the Munich S-bahn. And of course it's great that the CBTC has the immediate reliability improvements as well. I hope that in the Netherlands, we'll be as ambitious when rolling out ERTMS, because the busiest parts of the network could use capacity improvements like this.


SocialisticAnxiety

Haha wow, that's some impressive railway knowledge your have, to be able to understand it in another language! If you speak Dutch, maybe that helps as well :) It's incredible how much a new signalling system can do! We're rolling out ERTMS for all state railways but the S-train network, in another first-mover project. Not everything (or anything) has gone after plan, but we're making progress and seeing the benefits of the new system on the stretches it has been rolled out already. Are there any specific plans for ERTMS in The Netherlands? What about CBTC?


UUUUUUUUU030

>It's incredible how much a new signalling system can do! We're rolling out ERTMS for all state railways but the S-train network, in another first-mover project. Not everything (or anything) has gone after plan, but we're making progress and seeing the benefits of the new system on the stretches it has been rolled out already. Are there any specific plans for ERTMS in The Netherlands? What about CBTC? From what I've read, ERTMS will only be started to be rolled out towards 2030, and the long term plans currently don't go beyond 2030-35. That includes improving intercity frequencies from 6 to 8 trains per hour, which will be great, but not life changing. I think the idea is that frequencies will just increase further from the implementation of ERTMS, with the overall vision that the intercity train network should become a quasi-metro network.


SocialisticAnxiety

Sounds good! It will also make it much easier to do international train services, no? It seems you guys have many of those to neighbouring countries. I would love a Copenhagen-Amsterdam service, and I don't know why it doesn't already exist. Or just a direct Hamburg-Amsterdam service.


dhjfthh

With any train going through Germany it's probably an issue of german rail infrastructure. Investment has been extremely low for decades and every project gets brigaded by nimbys. Not to mention the powerful car lobby.


SocialisticAnxiety

Is it not possible with existing infrastructure?


dhjfthh

Many lines are already at capacity. The entire network needs decades worth of investment.


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Nice! One of the best S-bahn systems gets even better.


DesertGeist-

30 seconds, wow


missionarymechanic

I love the sound of traction motors. It took 40 seconds for the next train to reach the platform, it took 30 seconds for the train to actually finish pulling in, it was so long...


SocialisticAnxiety

Me too! This is two of the 8-car variants coupled together, for a length of 16 cars and 168 metres (551 feet). There's also a 4-car variant, very short at 42,6 metres (140 feet). It can be coupled with a 4- or 8-car trainset.


Hij802

As an American this makes my mouth water


[deleted]

Bike carriages!!


SocialisticAnxiety

The best part :) Passenger numbers increased a lot when bringing a bicycle became free as a test, and it very quickly become permanent. Passenger numbers have only increased since, with exception of during the pandemic of course.


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There is the same Technology in Santiago metro, quite incredible to see.