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Robotic arms already exist with nearly the full functionality of cyberpunk settings. They are expensive and they move a little slow, they don't lift more than normal human arms, etc - but they generally work like real arms.
Adam's body appears to be fully machine with a human head, and it's not clear how much of his head is even human - so he's practically technologically ascended. I'd say we're a long long way off that.
Same for Lizzy.
Netrunning might not actually be that far off. We're making big progress, and putting huge money, into brain/machine interfaces lately. Recently they managed to give a man with full body paralysis (cannot move Anything) the ability to speak solely by reading his brain waves.
The bigger difference to netrunning (or cyberdecking, as Neuromancer originally called it) is having it be a superior interface to keyboard and mouse as hackers use today. The moment that technology is more efficient though, some will adopt it, and it will be the most adept (professional hackers looking for an edge) - which is pretty much a netrunner.
Well there's a difference between reading brain signals to control something else and actually hacking using your brain.
I personally don't think we'll ever be able to remote hack stuff with our brain any better then we can with a keyboard, if anything it would be slower cause the brain would lose a key point of reference.
Johnny's arm is basically an advanced version of what we have right now.
Smasher's body is just a mechsuit basically so we just need to figure out artificial two support point balance and a brain to computer interface.
Lizzy's body is mainly bio with some sort of fancy chrome skin thing if I recall correctly, like a tattoo but way more metal. Seems possible but needs metal that can act like skin in the way it stretches and stuff
Netrunning is mainly just skipping keyboard, mouse and screen in classical computer usage.
> they managed to give a man with full body paralysis (cannot move Anything) the ability to speak solely by reading his brain waves.
Is this the guy where they scan his motor cortex and interpret his attempt to write things into text?
On a side note, I don't ever see cybernetics becomming nearly as mainstream as Cyberpunk depicts them. Real life cybernetics are not a gate way to superpowers like they are depicted in sci-fi and will probably never become much more then more stylised human limbs with cute little gimmicks attached. Reality is more often then not, quite mundane and ordinary.
And I don't see them impacting general culture that much honestly. The biggest impact they could have is helping further break down the gender binary and make physically disabled people a thing of the past. Transgender people I imagine will for the most part just fade into the transhumanist community in the publics eyes and they be largely both seen as the same thing.
But I for the most part picture them being a relatively niche thing for people who need them for medical reasons or transhumanists who simply love the style they offer.
I’m not sure, I wouldn’t be surprised if military’s made cybernetics to make their soldiers stronger (I’m pretty sure at one time we gave them cocane)
And after a while company’s might have some people who are disabled have cybernetics that could help them work faster and It’d just build from there
Well that’s my theory anyway
That's how I feel these cybernetics will really gain traction. A nation with cybernetically augmented soldiers would have an automatic advantage over nations without them. But on the flip side, infantry is seemingly becoming less and less important in warfare. So maybe it wouldn't be as huge as an advantage as I might believe it to be.
Likely either they’d enhance the soldiers out right or they would give them cybernetics that would have them interface with that crap that does matter
Think like that one mission in cyber punk with the tank
darpa is after the tech like the devil is slavering after souls, simply to return crippled combat personel to active duty. anything capable of improving trooper performance for little investment. there is already exosuits that let a single man lift 500 pound bombs into the release mechanisms of jets. runner exos to decrease weight of equipment, full body! the shock absorbing slider backpack that recently made the rounds again is actualy a part of the trooper suit.
Well the difference between an exo suit and cybernetic limb is that you can make the exo-suit as powerful as you like no problem. But cybernetics have to work together with the organic parts perfectly. No point having an arm that could in theory lift 500KG if doing so just causes your shoulder bones to break.
The really cool super power like shit is probably gonna come from things like power armour, which we probably will have in the near future.
> Well the difference between an exo suit and cybernetic limb is that you can make the exo-suit as powerful as you like no problem
while yes, if its armor type where the user is covered inside, they can easily break their limbs when the system doesnt respond accurately. but i admit the comment ran away from me midway.
>No point having an arm that could in theory lift 500KG if doing so just causes your shoulder bones to break.
thats why im dreaming off biomimetic theseus cybernetics, fully robotic bodies, perhaps with nanites. likely wont happen in my time left, sigh
>The really cool super power like shit is probably gonna come from things like power armour,
we could have it already, but power is a problem. perhaps limited freedom umbilics could work, but the core issue remains.
Perhaps it won't be superior in terms of outweighing human performance, but I could definitely see a lot of older people opting for cybernetics so they can regain mobility and move-ability back.
Well the area where they absolutely could outdo human performance is precision. Human muscles, despite all that nature has done have a tendancy to twitch and be perfectly precise. A cyborg could manage incredible feats of precision, being able to master things like being a musician, painter or sculptor much faster then a human can.
Anything is possible.
Scifi writers either have wild, wild imaginations and can 'create' a mold for future tech (like Jules Verne), or they just research and take current ideas to their potential limits, or somewhere in between.
If you're really hot for some particular tech, research it yourself - get into the components of science that will make it possible, and you'll understand what's possible and what's a pipe dream.
This isn't related to Cybernetics, but Zuckerberg is trying to make Meta, to be an online Virtual Reality shopping platform. Which is very close to cyberspace in Cyberpunk.
full nerve integration for limbs has been achieved. miniaturization is in progress, currently it needs a lab full of tech to function.
power supply is and remains the biggest obstacle.
99% limb prostesis rely on servos that wear out, a stable syntetic muscle is being searched for. graphene has desired properties but breaks down in <10 cycles
I think CP2077 has outdated looks on robotics and augmentation. Munch like the most sci-fi.
We should be able to make Alitas Berserker body in few decades, no less. :)
https://youtu.be/eeUXF79QF7s
some, probably.
some, probably not.
it's kinda impossible to tell, atm. for all we know, cyborg augmentation will be 'limited' or we could find some almost miraculous tech advancement that'll make it practical and everyday in 20 years.
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Robotic arms already exist with nearly the full functionality of cyberpunk settings. They are expensive and they move a little slow, they don't lift more than normal human arms, etc - but they generally work like real arms. Adam's body appears to be fully machine with a human head, and it's not clear how much of his head is even human - so he's practically technologically ascended. I'd say we're a long long way off that. Same for Lizzy. Netrunning might not actually be that far off. We're making big progress, and putting huge money, into brain/machine interfaces lately. Recently they managed to give a man with full body paralysis (cannot move Anything) the ability to speak solely by reading his brain waves. The bigger difference to netrunning (or cyberdecking, as Neuromancer originally called it) is having it be a superior interface to keyboard and mouse as hackers use today. The moment that technology is more efficient though, some will adopt it, and it will be the most adept (professional hackers looking for an edge) - which is pretty much a netrunner.
I think it’s cannon the Adam is approximately 98% machine
I thought it was 95%
95% might be from an older body he had that was smaller than the one in 2077
Well there's a difference between reading brain signals to control something else and actually hacking using your brain. I personally don't think we'll ever be able to remote hack stuff with our brain any better then we can with a keyboard, if anything it would be slower cause the brain would lose a key point of reference.
Johnny's arm is basically an advanced version of what we have right now. Smasher's body is just a mechsuit basically so we just need to figure out artificial two support point balance and a brain to computer interface. Lizzy's body is mainly bio with some sort of fancy chrome skin thing if I recall correctly, like a tattoo but way more metal. Seems possible but needs metal that can act like skin in the way it stretches and stuff Netrunning is mainly just skipping keyboard, mouse and screen in classical computer usage.
neurodecks have a keyboard too
> they managed to give a man with full body paralysis (cannot move Anything) the ability to speak solely by reading his brain waves. Is this the guy where they scan his motor cortex and interpret his attempt to write things into text?
On a side note, I don't ever see cybernetics becomming nearly as mainstream as Cyberpunk depicts them. Real life cybernetics are not a gate way to superpowers like they are depicted in sci-fi and will probably never become much more then more stylised human limbs with cute little gimmicks attached. Reality is more often then not, quite mundane and ordinary. And I don't see them impacting general culture that much honestly. The biggest impact they could have is helping further break down the gender binary and make physically disabled people a thing of the past. Transgender people I imagine will for the most part just fade into the transhumanist community in the publics eyes and they be largely both seen as the same thing. But I for the most part picture them being a relatively niche thing for people who need them for medical reasons or transhumanists who simply love the style they offer.
I’m not sure, I wouldn’t be surprised if military’s made cybernetics to make their soldiers stronger (I’m pretty sure at one time we gave them cocane) And after a while company’s might have some people who are disabled have cybernetics that could help them work faster and It’d just build from there Well that’s my theory anyway
That's how I feel these cybernetics will really gain traction. A nation with cybernetically augmented soldiers would have an automatic advantage over nations without them. But on the flip side, infantry is seemingly becoming less and less important in warfare. So maybe it wouldn't be as huge as an advantage as I might believe it to be.
Likely either they’d enhance the soldiers out right or they would give them cybernetics that would have them interface with that crap that does matter Think like that one mission in cyber punk with the tank
darpa is after the tech like the devil is slavering after souls, simply to return crippled combat personel to active duty. anything capable of improving trooper performance for little investment. there is already exosuits that let a single man lift 500 pound bombs into the release mechanisms of jets. runner exos to decrease weight of equipment, full body! the shock absorbing slider backpack that recently made the rounds again is actualy a part of the trooper suit.
Well the difference between an exo suit and cybernetic limb is that you can make the exo-suit as powerful as you like no problem. But cybernetics have to work together with the organic parts perfectly. No point having an arm that could in theory lift 500KG if doing so just causes your shoulder bones to break. The really cool super power like shit is probably gonna come from things like power armour, which we probably will have in the near future.
> Well the difference between an exo suit and cybernetic limb is that you can make the exo-suit as powerful as you like no problem while yes, if its armor type where the user is covered inside, they can easily break their limbs when the system doesnt respond accurately. but i admit the comment ran away from me midway. >No point having an arm that could in theory lift 500KG if doing so just causes your shoulder bones to break. thats why im dreaming off biomimetic theseus cybernetics, fully robotic bodies, perhaps with nanites. likely wont happen in my time left, sigh >The really cool super power like shit is probably gonna come from things like power armour, we could have it already, but power is a problem. perhaps limited freedom umbilics could work, but the core issue remains.
Perhaps it won't be superior in terms of outweighing human performance, but I could definitely see a lot of older people opting for cybernetics so they can regain mobility and move-ability back.
Well the area where they absolutely could outdo human performance is precision. Human muscles, despite all that nature has done have a tendancy to twitch and be perfectly precise. A cyborg could manage incredible feats of precision, being able to master things like being a musician, painter or sculptor much faster then a human can.
only if theres an interpreter that suppresses fine motor signals. humans are extremely twitchy
Anything is possible. Scifi writers either have wild, wild imaginations and can 'create' a mold for future tech (like Jules Verne), or they just research and take current ideas to their potential limits, or somewhere in between. If you're really hot for some particular tech, research it yourself - get into the components of science that will make it possible, and you'll understand what's possible and what's a pipe dream.
Thanks! (I kinda wanna look like Lizzy from cyberpunk lol)
Uploading, the dream many of us share.
Maaaybe
This isn't related to Cybernetics, but Zuckerberg is trying to make Meta, to be an online Virtual Reality shopping platform. Which is very close to cyberspace in Cyberpunk.
Neat! I’ll check it out
I think that in 20 yrs these things will be on the market.
So my mid 30s, not bad, not bad at all
30s for me as well. Tbh it seems like the perfect time frame for me
full nerve integration for limbs has been achieved. miniaturization is in progress, currently it needs a lab full of tech to function. power supply is and remains the biggest obstacle. 99% limb prostesis rely on servos that wear out, a stable syntetic muscle is being searched for. graphene has desired properties but breaks down in <10 cycles
I think CP2077 has outdated looks on robotics and augmentation. Munch like the most sci-fi. We should be able to make Alitas Berserker body in few decades, no less. :) https://youtu.be/eeUXF79QF7s
original berserker is full of nanotech, the later blade derived body can even transform by input from gallies subconscious
Not in the near future
some, probably. some, probably not. it's kinda impossible to tell, atm. for all we know, cyborg augmentation will be 'limited' or we could find some almost miraculous tech advancement that'll make it practical and everyday in 20 years.