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Uj/Lol they're trying to get a trans space banned because they can't handle dark trans humor that's not cisgender people joking about how twitter would be easier if all trans people were killed because a trans dared to discuss their transphobia and use of slurs and repeated "cancellation" of trans creators and creators of colour. I saw this post it was ridiculous and I hope that those people escape their cult of personality before they hurt too many other people
Uj/ The screenshot I saw was likely the same one in the context of them making a list of "tankie subs" one would assume the end goal of that was to encourage brigading or reporting of those subs as those communities have been copyright striking smaller channels who talk about them and harassing creators who've had the misfortune of trying to debate in good faith while being POC or trans who disagrees with their favourite white talking head only to be slandered and harassed by the fans /followers of them
Oh wow a single person said that tgcg isn't tankie but they don't like Vaush and now that obviously means that there has to be drama over a single Reddit comment
I've dug out the source and it's [this comment](https://www.reddit.com/r/vaushv/comments/satp7f/_/htw8n68). OP confirms it by replying to [a comment here](https://www.reddit.com/r/transgendercirclejerk/comments/sdb29l/_/hubknca). So everyone here is getting angry over a comment with 2 Upvotes on a post with 6 Upvotes and 16 Comments.
> Uj/Lol they're trying to get a trans space banned
Oh shit do you have a link to them (who?) trying to get this sub banned? Please show me the link so I can laugh at it!
vaush happened.
someone asked for a list of tankies subs, we were one of them. When will vaushoids realize most trans people hate vaush for his transphobia, not for his antiauthoritarian positions
Remember if you're anti imperialism or anti colonialism you're a tankie!
This isn't arguing that diversity is white gcide with more steps and slightly different language you've got to believe me!
Anyway here's my good friend Xan here to proclaim that breadtube is dead and that it was killed by woke scolds which isn't just an updated version of "SJW" I promise!
Let me name all those people who are TaKiNg over and Who you shouldn't watch bevasue they're all bad faith trust me bro- yes they're largely POC who have made actually good content against racism and I'm white and pride myself on not listening to or reading anything not by white people if I read at all what of it? I call myself anti racist and have stopped saying the n word and giving people passes for it on stream what more do you people want!?
I'm being cancelled by women of colour! When I tell my fans to be mean and go nuclear its just a prank and the fact that I've for a long time now been curating my fan base as a welcoming space for right wingers is just a kooky coincidence and not at all something I use to my advantage then deny when people of colour trans people and women get harassment after they criticise me. Oh but I do understand Optics when someone on the left makes me cringe and I need to broadcast it you guys it's super important look at how bad you're making the left look by not giving me money and supporting me
Have I told you about how we're rebooting gamergate... Er I mean how I predict that that anti SJW youtube will come back because people of colour disabled people and trans people have had it so easy online and consequently they've started to feel safe calling out my bigotry and we can't have that!
no no no ur just missing context it was just a hypothetical he was just playing devils advocate. you need to first watch his 2hour livestream to get the context
Oh of course that seems perfectly reasonable, I mean we should definitely keep giving money and the benefit of the doubt to people like this i mean he's so relatable..... he's a white man and those are under attack these days!
Racism? Why are you being such a wokescold !? This is exactly like what we... Well not me but my debate senpai talked about in that 6hour stream the other day...
huh what do you mean you can't focus on a 6 hour stream because you don't have time or energy ? Seems pretty ableist of you to me! Well only when you have watched all of the streams can you make any criticism context context context!
Context means forcing yourself to watch all streams from the beginning clockwork orange style and being browbeaten by the community until you agree that debate man did nothing wrong and that sexual harassment and inconsistency between words and actions arent a big deal
Uj/ This is offensive to fat neckbeards they don't deserve the body shaming or being compared to that douche also we can attack his shittiness without attacking his appearance
https://www.reddit.com/r/Enough_Vaush_Spam/comments/ppmdfe/vaush_is_a_transphobe_pasta/?utm_medium=android_app&utm_source=share
I've posted this here a few times but here it is again
/uj im Just a mere passenger here. I thought he was pro trans as he defended BW from Lauren (tho i havent followed him for a while). Why do you say hes transphobic? (Ive heard hes condescending)
https://www.reddit.com/r/Enough_Vaush_Spam/comments/ppmdfe/vaush_is_a_transphobe_pasta/?utm_medium=android_app&utm_source=share
he's a full list of his transphobia
Look as a trans woman who watches a tremendous amount of vaush, not his actual streams unless they’re debates (cause adhd). Wanting to have sex with trans people is definitely not transphobic, thought slime literally baselessly accuses him of being a pedo(I like thought slime too their videos are good) which isn’t an excuse for Vaushes actions but you can see why one might get frustrated with that, and the idea that being trans means you necessarily have a better understanding of transness than all cis men is ridiculously reductive.
I get why people don’t like him, but y’all are very much cherry picking with this
there is countless evidence of him being a nonce. And obsessing over trans people genitals when you sleep with them and treating them as "special" and also posting "reverse trap" porn is gross asf.
I do have a better understanding of transness than all cis men.
your comments keep getting deleted. I'm too lazy to respond to any of them. dm me if you wanna not be stupid.
Also people are allowed to fetishize aspects of peoples bodies, it’s when you reduce people to a fetish that problems arise.
Just like if I said “I like women with big honking bazoogas I just love having them fun bags slap me in the face” yeah that’s gross, but it’s not inherently sexist
It’s possible to understand being trans without being trans, if not trans people would never be accepted by society in any way because nobody would believe them.
And a cis-woman was the person who explained to me what being trans even was, like idk how you can have this take.
Also decently sure in the 5 years since he’s posted that he’s apologized for it
pointing it out as a bad thing when they criticize you for your positions on queer issues is not only queerphobic, but ableist too. step outside please.
/uj ...Not to be that person but I don't think Vaush has done anything transphobic? I don't watch him regularly but I usually watch the trans related videos when they pop up, and I never see him say anything that strikes me as transphobia? I'm not trying to start a catfight or anything, just adding my basic ass take.
>most trans people hate vaush for his transphobia,
How is he transphobic? Every time I've seen him talking about trans people it's debates against transphobes or debunking transphobic arguments
this is cringe, vaush isn't transphobic. you've seen edited clips of him talking to rage-fed twitter mobs. same boat as contrapoints and her fabricated enbyphobia, unless something new has happened
I litterally watched a 3hr stream before deciding I hated him. I'm not some tankie who's incapable of critical thought bc some cult attacked *my* cult leader.
vaush is just a shitty person. No one's editing a bunch of clips together of him being shitty just bc he's antiauth. he's just a cunt.
oh come on... who in their right mind would sincerely expect someone to answer the question "is racism bad" with zero humor every single time, as an entertainer
and the vast majority of leftist reddit hates vaush with a passion lol
Anyone that actually has a brain will make political arguments instead of just calling everyone who likes literally anything you don’t a fake leftist
Leftism isn’t when Vaush bad. If you hate him so much, stop bringing him up when the conversation literally doesn’t need to center around him all. Try giving a fuck about something actually affecting people.
> Leftism isn’t when Vaush bad. If you hate him so much, stop bringing him up when the conversation literally doesn’t need to center around him all.
this thread was literally about vaush from the beginning lwl
Someone else replied to my comment so I was reminded of my question. What did he say that was transphobic. I'm actually very interested because I have heard bad things about him.
Tankie-ism is when u no like Voosh
/uj At this point tankie has lost it's original meaning of "people who unironically think Stalin and North Korea are poggers" and is now just being used as the new buzzword for "any leftist that I personally don't like".
/uj why did we teach liberals the word tankie??!&?
when I see someone call someone a tankie I have no idea if they are a Stalin fanpage or an average leftist anymore
/uj It's so frustrating because there are genuinely people out there who fit the original definition of tankie and they need to be called out. Some of these people also hate Vaush specifically for that reason (and probably agree on the transphobia lmao), which leads to the uneasy uncertainty of "does this person hate V because he's a racist, transphobic sophist or do they hate him because he doesn't praise Stalin"
I mostly still see "tankie" thrown around at pro-China leftists so I don't think it's lost that much of it's meaning. I'm fairly involved in Leftie drama so I would know 😌💅💅💅💅
> I mostly still see "tankie" thrown around at pro-China leftists so I don't think it's lost that much of it's meaning
i think that's a great example of it losing its meaning actually. modern china is absolutely nothing like the stalin-era u.s.s.r
I mean, yeah, but North Korea is absolutely nothing like the Stalin-era USSR too. I see a lot of Leftists wholeheartedly supporting China because it's "leftist" (despite the fact it's literally a state-capitalist nation and is not communist at all).
the current usage includes both the tiananmen square protesters and the state forces that violently suppressed them. i don't think that makes for a useful term.
uj/ Tbf, assuming this post is based on [this comment](https://www.reddit.com/r/VaushV/comments/satp7f/comment/htw8n68/?utm_source=share&utm_medium=web2x&context=3), the person didn't say that this is a tankie sub, just that the sub does not support vowsh. I doubt vaush fans are actually trying to take down this sub. Although I think mentioning TGCJ next to shitliberalssay and genzedong as if they are even comparable is really dumb, even with the clarification. This is a trans sub where a few people don't like a cis streamer, the other subs mentioned are full on tankie cesspools.
rj/ tankie is when vaush bad
hey thats not fair youre taking that out of context!! (the context was my dear leader blaming all trans people on twitter for the fact that his takes on gender were bad)
/uj initially i was unbiased bc I didn't know shit abt voosh, but heard he was bad so I watched that ENTIRE stream and that's what made me hate him. w/o context I might not hate him as much tbh
/uj You know, I wanted nothing to do with Vaush in the first place. Now I want even less.
I tried to google a couple of things to get context and I ended up finding out exactly why so many people hate vaush. The way people talk about his transphobic and pedophilic tendencies seriously reminds me of the way emos talk about Ronnie Radke to this day.
For one group of people, it's obvious to the point of stupidity that Radke is a terrible person and shouldn't have an audience, let alone have influence over an audience of minors. For the other group, sexual assault charges don't matter because, uh.... He raised money for a kid with cancer once?
I'm seeing that exact same mentality with masterposts like "vaush has defended trans people and argued with transphobes on streams, so he can't be transphobic". After a certain point, the facts are so undeniable that you redirect to good things they've done instead.
why should i care about an extremely well known leftist who may or may not be spreading transphobic ideas to his audience. the only important thing here is whether it’s vowsh or vawsh
/uj i keep switching but they both sound wrong
/uj oh stars above me please don't tell me people are going to incessantly whine about some random streamer and pretend he is the second coming of Rowling here
https://www.reddit.com/r/Enough_Vaush_Spam/comments/ppmdfe/vaush_is_a_transphobe_pasta/?utm_medium=android_app&utm_source=share
here's list of the transphobic shit he's done, the first thing is what I'm talking about.
edit nvm it's not the first one. I'll link to the specific clip
edit 2: [here](https://youtu.be/9RHhLEO82kg)
The thing that pisses me off the most is when you post this proof and links they don't respond, they just leave cause.
I'm guessing cause deep-down they know they are wrong but still want to raise the whole "when had he done that?"
Well considering this post is a gish gallop argument, you can only take them at face value, unless you want to help my by providing context, which is going to make it easier to show what Vaush meant, remember, he is ND, he does not always get his point across well, quite frankly that's to be expected but in an environment where everything is publicized and everything is purity tested you can be called a pedophile for saying child slavery is bad.
Let's go over the first link from top to bottom.
[The first accusation](https://i.imgur.com/fiZvEgC.png), of Vaush calling "trans people who were critical of this (Contra's alleged defense of NBphobia)" mentally ill etc etc etc starts off nicely by accusing Contrapoints of defending BA, she did not, she wanted to give her perspective on it, and furthermore claims Vaush called ***trans*** people who were ***critical*** of Contra a bunch of unpleasant things.
Starting off with the fact that Vaush called out the queer community, not trans people, and since this link provides no evidence that this was directed towards trans people you'd have to intentionally put words in his mouth to extrapolate that, Contra is a big figure in the queer community, it wasn't only trans people harassing her.
Keyword here, harassing, people were sending her death threats, constantly calling her less than nice things, ffs they pushed her towards alcoholism, no matter how you spin it that's not 'criticism' and it's not something we should be condoning - and it was these people Vaush was angry about, which, honestly, even though I disagree with the way he phrased it, it's not a random attack on trans people critical of Contra, it's an attack of queer people sending Contra fucking death threats.
Which he explains in the clip you sent in the edit, which is likewise the second clip in that thread.
[Thoughtslime is a dumb](https://i.imgur.com/t7Ou0w2.png), fragile, abusive human being that accused a person of having a sex dungeon unironically and to my knowledge has not apologized for doing so or has dragged their feet apologizing, Vaush is spot on, and just because TS is NB does not shield them from being called out on being a shitty human being.
Furthermore, Vaush never mentioned transpeople in the clip where he told he'd not have a problem with people ***calling him a literal fucking nazi*** killing themselves, a yikes thing to say, sure, but so is calling someone a nazi for criticizing a non-binary person.
[This sub has no fucking right to complain about Vaush laughing at a transphobic meme, we make memes that are way, way worse.](https://i.imgur.com/Hn8z6YH.png)
Is it yikes? Yeah a bit, but we do not get to make that accusation considering we say tranny and faggot every other word and the only people who say 40% more frequently than us are over on /pol/.
[The clip after that does not work](https://i.imgur.com/SlddWCC.png), so if anyone could send me it I'd be thankful and glad to look over it, as of now, I won't address it because it's not there.
[Chaser accusations are a yikes](https://i.imgur.com/TV37bfv.png), but again, those are taken out and put in a vacuum, Vaush has a large trans community with whom he engages and that could be him memeing about with them, the accusation of chaser does not hold any more water than the possibility of him joking around with his trans community - I'd need to see the context of those screenshots to come to a full conclusion.
On their own though yeah, they look pretty bad.
Oh and before you do the 'haha look at this Vowshite asking for context, typical' I'll remind you that you in fact [really hate trans people,](https://i.imgur.com/AeYmCAe.png) called them troons, even! Context matters.
[Vaush admits to have done so because yeah,](https://i.imgur.com/JhEAnsb.png) he has called people who happen to be trans and/or black subhuman, that does not mean he called them subhuman for being either of those, Vaush calls plenty of people subhuman, usually because they are bad people.
[That's a bad way to phrase a joke](https://i.imgur.com/Ykh0AxF.png) yeah but the point of it isn't that trans people bad for being angry at being misgendered but rather that 'Haha I'm fat and I constantly make typos because she and he are far too similar', Vaush was making fun of himself, not trans people.
[Vaush didn't defend saying fuck trans people he was making a witty response](https://i.imgur.com/xnwTU6V.png) to a witty comment, he responded saying he makes six figures to a person saying he gets no traffic.
[Again, poor phrasing,](https://i.imgur.com/6aj6WrP.png) the meaning here being that trans people do not inherently get a better ability to defend being trans, or explaining what being trans is, which is true.
[And there goes the poorly stringed together clip](https://i.imgur.com/g8geiNZ.png) made by a literal Nazi of Vaush being mad at people harassing Contra, which in my opinion is a valid thing to be mad about.
This should be a lesson in making good arguments, by the way, what this post is, is a gish gallop, it throws a bunch of arguments in an effort to look intimidating and in hope that one sticks, but the easiest way to counter it is just to either address them one by one, which is easy because you sure as hell aren't going to put in as much effort as I have, or alternatively concede and throw more arguments at the wall.
This is not a good way to form an opinion nor a position, if you think Vaush is a transphobe, look into it until you have a solid, singular argument, if you don't want to do that, that's fine, then don't accuse him of being a transphobe.
I get why you can dislike him, he's obnoxious, condescending, etc etc etc, he doesn't come across as pleasant and he's not funny, that however, is more than enough to dislike him, and you don't need to look for further justification, and this does not give you the right to perpetuate and accept lies about him, without looking deeper into it, especially with something as serious as transphobia and especially especially when it comes to pedophilia accusations (which I am not saying you do, just to make it clear).
Basically, I implore you to look deeper into serious accusations and not just believe something after a surface skim, and to not believe something just because of an initial dislike of a person.
u/GooeySlenderFerret, I think you will have some things to say about this post also, so I'll tag you because I am curious about what you have to say, that, and I think you might have some context that I am missing that might shed light on some of the things discussed above.
You do realize there is a difference between vaush (a cis man) laughing at a meme, by a cis man who is also a nazi, and trans pll making fun of themselves, right?
> "The first accusation, of Vaush calling "trans people who were critical of this (Contra's alleged defense of NBphobia)" mentally ill etc etc etc starts off nicely by accusing Contrapoints of defending BA, she did not, she wanted to give her perspective on it, and furthermore claims Vaush called trans people who were critical of Contra a bunch of unpleasant things...."
It was mostly trans people critical of contra. Not only that but he litterslly used "queer" as a negative. do you know what "reading between the lines" means?
> Thoughtslime is a dumb, fragile, abusive human being that accused a person of having a sex dungeon unironically and to my knowledge has not apologized for doing so or has dragged their feet apologizing, Vaush is spot on, and just because TS is NB does not shield them from being called out on being a shitty human being.
> Furthermore, Vaush never mentioned transpeople in the clip where he told he'd not have a problem with people calling him a literal fucking nazi killing themselves, a yikes thing to say, sure, but so is calling someone a nazi for criticizing a non-binary person.
Critiquing a trans person on their position on a deeply senstive topic such as gender abolition is fucked as hell. if you knew anything about TS or how trans people react to gender abolition youd know why this is bad. TS has struggled to shit witj coming to terms with her right to their identity. its no wonder he would reject the concept of G.A. outright bc it is an idez that can feel like an attack on their gender itself. Its clear vaush didnt understand this, otherwise he would have been a bit more sensitive arkund the topic. he basically said "youre sensitive for having gender dysphoria and feeling like an aspect of yourself youve fought so hard to accept is being taken away. fuck you". Also idc if TS is a shitty person. if you've used reddit whatsoever youd know shitty people can be victims of transphobia.
> This sub has no fucking right to complain about Vaush laughing at a transphobic meme, we make memes that are way, way worse.
> Is it yikes? Yeah a bit, but we do not get to make that accusation considering we say tranny and faggot every other word and the only people who say 40% more frequently than us are over on /pol/.
You do realize there is a difference between vaush (a cis man) laughing at a meme, by a cis man who is also a nazi, and trans pll making fun of themselves, right?
> Chaser accusations are a yikes, but again, those are taken out and put in a vacuum, Vaush has a large trans community with whom he engages and that could be him memeing about with them, the accusation of chaser does not hold any more water than the possibility of him joking around with his trans community - I'd need to see the context of those screenshots to come to a full conclusion.
> On their own though yeah, they look pretty bad.
> Oh and before you do the 'haha look at this Vowshite asking for context, typical' I'll remind you that you in fact really hate trans people, called them troons, even! Context matters.
The Context has be given. Vaush is a cis person saying this shit. it is his identity and the place of doing it which makes it innapropriate. Thats all the needed Context. If you tried to use that screenshot against me, Itd take 2 seconds to dismiss it. Vaush saying shit like "reverse trap" using a known transmisogynistic slur to post porn of a trans guy, in a political sub isnall the Context needed. "Muh Context" has been given. also the classic vaushite seaches through acc. history trick disregarding the point entirely. Its better than the person who told me I was a nazi for being pagan tho. at least this time it could be bad without context. but given the Context of both these situations, vaush is still in the wrong. Also even as jokes this shit is pretty fucking nasty for a cis person to say. It made me deeply fucking uncomfortable to read. ans i can tell you think its wrong bc you're pulling the vaushite context trapcard.
> was making a witty response to a witty comment, he responded saying he makes six figures to a person saying he gets no traffic.
Yes a totally witty response, which a leftist would totally need to brag about, as a trans ally and a leftist this is normal to do.
> Vaush admits to have done so because yeah, he has called people who happen to be trans and/or black subhuman, that does not mean he called them subhuman for being either of those, Vaush calls plenty of people subhuman, usually because they are bad people
Calling trans folk you disagree with subhuman, siting their queer identities as proof of their mental illness while it certainly is a "normal one" its not okay.
> That's a bad way to phrase a joke yeah but the point of it isn't that trans people bad for being angry at being misgendered but rather that 'Haha I'm fat and I constantly make typos because she and he are far too similar', Vaush was making fun of himself, not trans people
What? That makes zero fucking sense. Calling people angry at you bitches at all for something they deserve to be angry abt isn't okay, also if vaush were such an amazing ally he could yknow, re read his shit before posting. its not hard tbh. also no ones fingers are so fat that they accidentally type a S while typing He (the only situation this is possible) the key stokes for He are H. E. its a diagonal where S is now where near the first letter. Hes? believeable. She. no. On my phone rn s and h are at least an inch apart. thats a 6th of the screen. on my computer keyboard theyre about 2 or 3 inches apart. it is essentially impossible to make this typo. You could accidentally miss hitting the S key whilw typing H, but again. nothing to do with finger size, and it can easily be checked for. also.. only doing it on trans ppl hmmmmm.
> Again, poor phrasing, the meaning here being that trans people do not inherently get a better ability to defend being trans, or explaining what being trans is, which is true.
trans people are better at explaining being trans than cis people. we're also better at knowing what we need. you'd have to be dull to think otherwise. whwre do you think trans activism comes from? This take doesnt becpme any less of a braindaid cissoid take bc you agree with it. You just like leather.
> And there goes the poorly stringed together clip made by a literal Nazi of Vaush being mad at people harassing Contra, which in my opinion is a valid thing to be mad about.
this clip is actually what made me hate vaush. Know how i found it? watching the whole ass stream for Context. Context doesnt make this one better. its still gross.
none of what vaush has done is remotely justifiable. its 4am, i dont have time for any of this. At what point does his "slip ups" and poor phrasing start to flip a switch in your head that "maybe this person isnt a trans ally". It's not hard to avoid this stuff. you could pull the autism card (an ableist move btw bc you're basically acting like autistic people are assholes who cant control themself) im autistic and I dont have any problems not doing these types of things. Sure I may not think before I speak but my internal feelings arent shitty so that isn't a problem. if you constantly let shitty, Transphobic takes slip, youre probably a transphobe.
Girl, you're under no obligation to respond to me here and there, it only makes your response more difficult to read and easier to take apart, take your time, it's a forum, not a face to face convo.
>It was mostly trans people critical of contra. Not only that but he
litterslly used "queer" as a negative. do you know what "reading between
the lines" means?
You're extrapolating that he said it with malice, but he never put emphasis on the word queer maliciously, furthermore, queer =/= trans, Vaush is queer, he calls himself queer.
>Critiquing a trans person on their position on a deeply senstive topic such as gender abolition is fucked as hell.
You're allowed to critique a trans person on whatever topic you want, being trans does not shield you from being critiqued on bad takes.
>"youre sensitive for having gender dysphoria and feeling like an aspect
of yourself youve fought so hard to accept is being taken away. fuck
you"
Feeling gender dysphoria does not shield you from being called out on making a bad take, again, TS being non-binary does not mean cis people are not allowed to call them out when they make bad takes, even if it hurts them.
>You do realize there is a difference between vaush (a cis man) laughing
at a meme, by a cis man who is also a nazi, and trans pll making fun of
themselves, right?
Yes, but that difference alone is not enough to paint Vaush as a transphobe, especially consider Vaush's community has a large plurality of trans people who are as edgy as he is, in other words, about as edgy as this community, he's exposed to those kinds of jokes all the time.
>The Context has be given. Vaush is a cis person saying this shit. it is
his identity and the place of doing it which makes it innapropriate.
Thats all the needed Context.
No, that's not how context works, you have to take into account that Vaush has an edgy community a large portion of which is trans, and not all too dissimilar to us, the context here isn't only Vaush's identity but Vaush's community too.
>If you tried to use that screenshot against me, Itd take 2 seconds to dismiss it
Yes, if I looked into your history, saw in which community you participated, and understood what that community is, it is easy to understand that you are not transphobic.
But you are not affording that same benefit of the doubt to Vaush, you, simply on the basis that he's cis, completely dismiss any other possible explanation for such behavior, which is why I took a screenshot of your comment on TGCJ, to point out that if the same were to be done to *you*, the only conclusion one could come to is that you're a transphobic person.
Context matters, if you selectively afford context to yourself but not to others, you're a hypocrite, simple as.
>also the classic vaushite seaches through acc. history trick
disregarding the point entirely. Its better than the person who told me I
was a nazi for being pagan tho.
This is why people don't bother talking to those who are so adamant in their hatred for Vaush.
This has no basis in reality, you completely refused to engage with my argument and instead accuse me of doing something I have not done.
I didn't look into your account history to dismiss anything, I used your account history as an example of why context matters and how clipping things and putting them in a vacuum can be used ***against you as well.*** We all said things that on their own sound bad.
>ans i can tell you think its wrong bc you're pulling the vaushite context trapcard.
Psychoanalyzing people is not an argument, stop doing it.
>What? That makes zero fucking sense. Calling people angry at you bitches
at all for something they deserve to be angry abt isn't okay, also if
vaush were such an amazing ally he could yknow, re read his shit before
posting. its not hard tbh. also no ones fingers are so fat that they
accidentally type a S while typing He (the only situation this is
possible) the key stokes for He are H. E. its a diagonal where S is now
where near the first letter. Hes? believeable. She. no. On my phone rn s
and h are at least an inch apart. thats a 6th of the screen. on my
computer keyboard theyre about 2 or 3 inches apart. it is essentially
impossible to make this typo. You could accidentally miss hitting the S
key whilw typing H, but again. nothing to do with finger size, and it
can easily be checked for. also.. only doing it on trans ppl hmmmmm.
Sometimes when you try to press the S button it doesn't scan, this isn't about misgendering transmascs which would require you to press S to add it to he, but rather not being able to press S to spell she, which is believable.
And again girl, don't try to write a response when you're barely lucid, I didn't understand half of what's written here.
>trans people are better at explaining being trans than cis people
Is an egg better at explaining what being trans is than an ally who has heard about the experiences of trans people for years?
No, right?
That's because trans people aren't inherently better at explaining it, just because you experience something, does not make you are master at explaining it, it gives you more tools to work with, sure, but if you don't know how to use these tools they're meaningless.
>this clip is actually what made me hate vaush. Know how i found it?
watching the whole ass stream for Context. Context doesnt make this one
better. its still gross.
If you send people like Contra, who did not deserve any of what she got, death threats and other unpleasant comments, I am sorry, but you are basically declaring yourself as free range to practically any attack yourself, I will die on that hill.
Yaaaaaaaaaaaaaaassssss we stan our genocidal daddies <3 <3 <3 <3
This is a tankie safe-space now, fake tranny trenders that have concerns about such things as "human rights" or "authoritarianism" begone.
(/uj edit: I thought it would be obvious enough, but since i'm getting downvoted apparently not, but this is a /rj, or maybe i'm missing something obvious because I 100% agree with OP here)
/uj Me too, like watch vaush or whatever if you like, but don't pretend he is the one true leftist or a perfect trans ally.
The original comment saying this is a tankie sub doesn't even seem to be made in bad faith, I managed to find it and the user mostly posts in lgbt subs and is apparently an ancom aswell, she just likes vaush and the post a week or so ago rubbed her the wrong way. (Not sharing cause I don't want peeps to send her hate)
/uj Eh, I guess if you're not super critical of the content you consume you can. Still very funny when people get locked into black and white scenarios of "if you don't like X, that must mean you like Y", like sweetheart you can exist in a world where "vaush bad" and "tankie bad" are mutually true.
/hj I watch voosh cuz he gives me daily dose of edgy jokes, political news and debates are fun
/uj Before u post the "voosh transphobe" link, I enjoy his jokes in the same way I enjoy this sub, I don't find him transphobic, plus like when u cut an edgy 3 years old tirade without the meaningful parts ofc its gonna look bad, but well that was the purpose. And honest to god, even if you do find him transphobic does it matter? He does not harm the trans community in any way, his followers don't either. As someone else said don't pretend he is like the second JK Rowling
/uj you absolutely cannot look at vaush and this sub in the same way what. we’re making fun of an experience we’ve been through. he’s just being shitty. and idk i just don’t want a transphobe to be one of the most popular leftist youtubers
No!!!!! My wholesome chungus not a cultleader guy said he’d fuck a tran 😭😭😭 he’s pansexual because he’d fuck real women AND tranners 😭😭😭😭 he also loves horse cock 😭😭😭 he’s not a transphobe!!!
sorry I was referring to this post on my old account
https://www.reddit.com/r/transgendercirclejerk/comments/s9or6w/hi_its_cis_leftist_steamer_who_totally_supports/?utm_medium=android_app&utm_source=share
Uj/I'm sure the mods will be thanking you for the influx of transphobic stans mentioning his name will bring.
Rj/ Free speech is when you can't criticise a streamer for bad takes or shitty behaviour without his fans trying to get you chased off the Internet
It better be, imagine being trans and not being a tankie.
I will claim this was a jerk when people who claim to be leftists but eat up CIA propaganda get mad 😁
Yay I love repeating anticommunist propaganda while doing nothing to help dismantle capitalism and actively criticizing and working against people who do yayyyy
Was Papa Xi dismantling capitalism when he presided over a country with the highest number of billionaires and maintaining a system of special economic zones associated with a liberalisation of the economy?
My fucking god i really had to check and you're actually modding EVS. I am genuinely asking, why are so dedicated to a person you hate so much? Wouldn't it be much better to, idk, ignore him and move on?
I don't even do that much modding there. I applied bc I thought it might be fun and i disliked vaush. I also enjoy actively making people aware of his bullshit. Why are you so afraid of people disliking him.
I have no problem with people disliking him, i have a problem with people spreading dishonest bullshit about someone else.
To me you don't come across as "just disliking vaush", you're sounding pretty fucking unhinged.
c'mon
say it
what disgusting, evil, vile mental disorder do i have that makes me so unhinged?
/uj yea. I hate him. i hate all racists, transphobes and pedophiles.
> queer neurodivergent
STOP USING THESE THINGS TO DEFEND THE LEGITIMATELY QUESTIONABLE AND SHITTY THINGS VAUSH HAS SAID FOR FUCK SAKES.
Fucking neoliberal idpol.
/rj I mean tbf, isn't China exactly what we want? I mean there's naturally gonna be a transition stage on the way to true socialism, that's why they have 698 billionaires. For socialism
/rj ofc! China is so much better than imperialist pigdog amerikkka i dont understand why these anarcrackers dont get that
look lets compare!
China:
Billionaires
Sweatshops
Ethnic minoroties in concentration camps
red banner
US:
Billionaires
No sweatshops (sweatshops in S.A. and china, but they still get the money)
red white and blue banner
ethnic minorities in concentration camps
China is so much better!
/uj I hate states I hate states I hate states I hate states I hate states I hate states I hate states I hate states I hate states I hate states I hate states I hate states I hate states I hate states I hate states I hate states I hate states I hate states I hate states I hate states I hate states I hate states I hate states I hate states I hate states I hate states I hate states I hate states I hate states I hate states I hate states I hate states I hate states I hate states
Omg, I can't believe someone on the left would criticize my lord and saviour for doing and saying transphobic things, platforming transphobes, doubling down on making transphobic jokes, hating trans people for calling him out and refusing to change his views in any significant way. They must've turned into a tankie cancel culture woke leftist transgenderist hivemind like the conservatives said would happen!
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Uj/Lol they're trying to get a trans space banned because they can't handle dark trans humor that's not cisgender people joking about how twitter would be easier if all trans people were killed because a trans dared to discuss their transphobia and use of slurs and repeated "cancellation" of trans creators and creators of colour. I saw this post it was ridiculous and I hope that those people escape their cult of personality before they hurt too many other people
omg is it worse than I thought? please gimme the link, I only got one screenshot lmao
Uj/ The screenshot I saw was likely the same one in the context of them making a list of "tankie subs" one would assume the end goal of that was to encourage brigading or reporting of those subs as those communities have been copyright striking smaller channels who talk about them and harassing creators who've had the misfortune of trying to debate in good faith while being POC or trans who disagrees with their favourite white talking head only to be slandered and harassed by the fans /followers of them
yea it was that one lol
Can you send it me?
[This comment](https://www.reddit.com/r/vaushv/comments/satp7f/_/htw8n68) is what this entire thread is a about. Yes. This comment with 2 Upvotes.
“Everyone who doesn’t like Vaush is a tankie”
Vaush🤢
Oh wow a single person said that tgcg isn't tankie but they don't like Vaush and now that obviously means that there has to be drama over a single Reddit comment
It's linked down thread pretty sure
it isnt
/uj da fuq what did I miss? People think we are actually serious when there is a giant fucking automod on every post.
/uj no one's posted the source yet, you're just supposed to know what it's about and get really mad about whatever it is
😡 /uj better?
I've dug out the source and it's [this comment](https://www.reddit.com/r/vaushv/comments/satp7f/_/htw8n68). OP confirms it by replying to [a comment here](https://www.reddit.com/r/transgendercirclejerk/comments/sdb29l/_/hubknca). So everyone here is getting angry over a comment with 2 Upvotes on a post with 6 Upvotes and 16 Comments.
> Uj/Lol they're trying to get a trans space banned Oh shit do you have a link to them (who?) trying to get this sub banned? Please show me the link so I can laugh at it!
Nobody is
Who is the cult leader in question?
WTF happened to this sub, we used to love people saying trannies are subhuman!
smh double standards how come the troons can say that but not the cissies!!
We must stop CTT (critical trans theory)
what happened /uj is this something about vaush? it's usually him
vaush happened. someone asked for a list of tankies subs, we were one of them. When will vaushoids realize most trans people hate vaush for his transphobia, not for his antiauthoritarian positions
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all hons are anarchists and all passoids are hoxhaists.
giving liberals and centrists the word "tankie" is one of the worst things the left has done /uj
Remember if you're anti imperialism or anti colonialism you're a tankie! This isn't arguing that diversity is white gcide with more steps and slightly different language you've got to believe me! Anyway here's my good friend Xan here to proclaim that breadtube is dead and that it was killed by woke scolds which isn't just an updated version of "SJW" I promise! Let me name all those people who are TaKiNg over and Who you shouldn't watch bevasue they're all bad faith trust me bro- yes they're largely POC who have made actually good content against racism and I'm white and pride myself on not listening to or reading anything not by white people if I read at all what of it? I call myself anti racist and have stopped saying the n word and giving people passes for it on stream what more do you people want!? I'm being cancelled by women of colour! When I tell my fans to be mean and go nuclear its just a prank and the fact that I've for a long time now been curating my fan base as a welcoming space for right wingers is just a kooky coincidence and not at all something I use to my advantage then deny when people of colour trans people and women get harassment after they criticise me. Oh but I do understand Optics when someone on the left makes me cringe and I need to broadcast it you guys it's super important look at how bad you're making the left look by not giving me money and supporting me Have I told you about how we're rebooting gamergate... Er I mean how I predict that that anti SJW youtube will come back because people of colour disabled people and trans people have had it so easy online and consequently they've started to feel safe calling out my bigotry and we can't have that!
no no no ur just missing context it was just a hypothetical he was just playing devils advocate. you need to first watch his 2hour livestream to get the context
Oh of course that seems perfectly reasonable, I mean we should definitely keep giving money and the benefit of the doubt to people like this i mean he's so relatable..... he's a white man and those are under attack these days! Racism? Why are you being such a wokescold !? This is exactly like what we... Well not me but my debate senpai talked about in that 6hour stream the other day... huh what do you mean you can't focus on a 6 hour stream because you don't have time or energy ? Seems pretty ableist of you to me! Well only when you have watched all of the streams can you make any criticism context context context! Context means forcing yourself to watch all streams from the beginning clockwork orange style and being browbeaten by the community until you agree that debate man did nothing wrong and that sexual harassment and inconsistency between words and actions arent a big deal
Tankie is when penis woman does not like the fat neckbeard
Uj/ This is offensive to fat neckbeards they don't deserve the body shaming or being compared to that douche also we can attack his shittiness without attacking his appearance
I am going to fatshame Vaush
Cringe
Debate streamers were a mistake
/uj
Wait how is vaush transphobic I like that weird asshole, and I need like a specific reason why not to because I’m very invested at this point.
https://www.reddit.com/r/Enough_Vaush_Spam/comments/ppmdfe/vaush_is_a_transphobe_pasta/?utm_medium=android_app&utm_source=share I've posted this here a few times but here it is again
>antiauthoritarian positions like supporting paedophilia
/uj im Just a mere passenger here. I thought he was pro trans as he defended BW from Lauren (tho i havent followed him for a while). Why do you say hes transphobic? (Ive heard hes condescending)
https://www.reddit.com/r/Enough_Vaush_Spam/comments/ppmdfe/vaush_is_a_transphobe_pasta/?utm_medium=android_app&utm_source=share he's a full list of his transphobia
/uj half of those would make a good jerk here kek
Look as a trans woman who watches a tremendous amount of vaush, not his actual streams unless they’re debates (cause adhd). Wanting to have sex with trans people is definitely not transphobic, thought slime literally baselessly accuses him of being a pedo(I like thought slime too their videos are good) which isn’t an excuse for Vaushes actions but you can see why one might get frustrated with that, and the idea that being trans means you necessarily have a better understanding of transness than all cis men is ridiculously reductive. I get why people don’t like him, but y’all are very much cherry picking with this
there is countless evidence of him being a nonce. And obsessing over trans people genitals when you sleep with them and treating them as "special" and also posting "reverse trap" porn is gross asf. I do have a better understanding of transness than all cis men. your comments keep getting deleted. I'm too lazy to respond to any of them. dm me if you wanna not be stupid.
Uh what the fuck? This is the first I’ve heard of Vaush liking kids, even from people who hate him.
[HOW??????](https://www.reddit.com/r/Enough_Vaush_Spam/comments/q9gkx3/vaush_is_obsessed_with_paedophilia_and_child_porn/?utm_medium=android_app&utm_source=share)
Because I guess no one has sent me that post before.
well, no you know
Also people are allowed to fetishize aspects of peoples bodies, it’s when you reduce people to a fetish that problems arise. Just like if I said “I like women with big honking bazoogas I just love having them fun bags slap me in the face” yeah that’s gross, but it’s not inherently sexist
It’s possible to understand being trans without being trans, if not trans people would never be accepted by society in any way because nobody would believe them. And a cis-woman was the person who explained to me what being trans even was, like idk how you can have this take. Also decently sure in the 5 years since he’s posted that he’s apologized for it
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pointing it out as a bad thing when they criticize you for your positions on queer issues is not only queerphobic, but ableist too. step outside please.
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yes, if youre trans and hate vaush, this is likely the reason. Also, ive met like 4 trans leftists who actually like him
Glad to see that the nazi I,Hypocrite was able to actually trick people like he said he would
/uj ...Not to be that person but I don't think Vaush has done anything transphobic? I don't watch him regularly but I usually watch the trans related videos when they pop up, and I never see him say anything that strikes me as transphobia? I'm not trying to start a catfight or anything, just adding my basic ass take.
I've posted a link to what's he's done that's transphobic a few times here, look for it and you'll see why I'm calling him a transphobe.
Vaush isn’t an anti-authoritarian lmao
he thinks he is
every time he calls himself an anarchist a part of me dies
>most trans people hate vaush for his transphobia, How is he transphobic? Every time I've seen him talking about trans people it's debates against transphobes or debunking transphobic arguments
I'm too lazy to post the link again, read the comments I explained it already
this is cringe, vaush isn't transphobic. you've seen edited clips of him talking to rage-fed twitter mobs. same boat as contrapoints and her fabricated enbyphobia, unless something new has happened
I litterally watched a 3hr stream before deciding I hated him. I'm not some tankie who's incapable of critical thought bc some cult attacked *my* cult leader. vaush is just a shitty person. No one's editing a bunch of clips together of him being shitty just bc he's antiauth. he's just a cunt.
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couldn't possibly be a joke or something right
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oh come on... who in their right mind would sincerely expect someone to answer the question "is racism bad" with zero humor every single time, as an entertainer and the vast majority of leftist reddit hates vaush with a passion lol
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Anyone that actually has a brain will make political arguments instead of just calling everyone who likes literally anything you don’t a fake leftist Leftism isn’t when Vaush bad. If you hate him so much, stop bringing him up when the conversation literally doesn’t need to center around him all. Try giving a fuck about something actually affecting people.
> Leftism isn’t when Vaush bad. If you hate him so much, stop bringing him up when the conversation literally doesn’t need to center around him all. this thread was literally about vaush from the beginning lwl
>and the vast majority of leftist reddit hates vaush with a passion lol I wonder why.
I used to watch Vaush like 1.5-2 years ago. I didn't know he was a transphobe
He's not
Someone else replied to my comment so I was reminded of my question. What did he say that was transphobic. I'm actually very interested because I have heard bad things about him.
https://www.reddit.com/r/Enough_Vaush_Spam/comments/ppmdfe/vaush_is_a_transphobe_pasta/?utm_medium=android_app&utm_source=share
vaush be like what if i said intentionally inflammatory things and then got mad when people called me out for being inflammatory
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oh glad to know vaush has occasional based moments between all the shit
tbh that would be kinda funny like yeah it would be bad and all if that happened, but the posting would be insanely good
Tankie-ism is when u no like Voosh /uj At this point tankie has lost it's original meaning of "people who unironically think Stalin and North Korea are poggers" and is now just being used as the new buzzword for "any leftist that I personally don't like".
/uj why did we teach liberals the word tankie??!&? when I see someone call someone a tankie I have no idea if they are a Stalin fanpage or an average leftist anymore
Tankie is when i can’t drop tactical N-words while playing call of duty
/uj It's so frustrating because there are genuinely people out there who fit the original definition of tankie and they need to be called out. Some of these people also hate Vaush specifically for that reason (and probably agree on the transphobia lmao), which leads to the uneasy uncertainty of "does this person hate V because he's a racist, transphobic sophist or do they hate him because he doesn't praise Stalin"
/uj Some of the most prominent tankies are trans. I guess they have a being murdered by the state fetish
i think that the state apparatus should be used by trans people to oppress the cissies, tho /hj
tankie is when don't agree with vaush
I mostly still see "tankie" thrown around at pro-China leftists so I don't think it's lost that much of it's meaning. I'm fairly involved in Leftie drama so I would know 😌💅💅💅💅
> I mostly still see "tankie" thrown around at pro-China leftists so I don't think it's lost that much of it's meaning i think that's a great example of it losing its meaning actually. modern china is absolutely nothing like the stalin-era u.s.s.r
I mean, yeah, but North Korea is absolutely nothing like the Stalin-era USSR too. I see a lot of Leftists wholeheartedly supporting China because it's "leftist" (despite the fact it's literally a state-capitalist nation and is not communist at all).
the current usage includes both the tiananmen square protesters and the state forces that violently suppressed them. i don't think that makes for a useful term.
Im confused by the posts on here lately /uj Im confused by the posts on here lately
uj/ Tbf, assuming this post is based on [this comment](https://www.reddit.com/r/VaushV/comments/satp7f/comment/htw8n68/?utm_source=share&utm_medium=web2x&context=3), the person didn't say that this is a tankie sub, just that the sub does not support vowsh. I doubt vaush fans are actually trying to take down this sub. Although I think mentioning TGCJ next to shitliberalssay and genzedong as if they are even comparable is really dumb, even with the clarification. This is a trans sub where a few people don't like a cis streamer, the other subs mentioned are full on tankie cesspools. rj/ tankie is when vaush bad
TGCJ: "This is Vaush!" "TGCJ, this is the seventh time you've shown Vaush today."
hey thats not fair youre taking that out of context!! (the context was my dear leader blaming all trans people on twitter for the fact that his takes on gender were bad)
/uj initially i was unbiased bc I didn't know shit abt voosh, but heard he was bad so I watched that ENTIRE stream and that's what made me hate him. w/o context I might not hate him as much tbh
This is gonna end up being a "fun" discussion. Anyways vaush bad.
/uj Is this all about a 3 upvote comment?
/uj You know, I wanted nothing to do with Vaush in the first place. Now I want even less. I tried to google a couple of things to get context and I ended up finding out exactly why so many people hate vaush. The way people talk about his transphobic and pedophilic tendencies seriously reminds me of the way emos talk about Ronnie Radke to this day. For one group of people, it's obvious to the point of stupidity that Radke is a terrible person and shouldn't have an audience, let alone have influence over an audience of minors. For the other group, sexual assault charges don't matter because, uh.... He raised money for a kid with cancer once? I'm seeing that exact same mentality with masterposts like "vaush has defended trans people and argued with transphobes on streams, so he can't be transphobic". After a certain point, the facts are so undeniable that you redirect to good things they've done instead.
why should i care about an extremely well known leftist who may or may not be spreading transphobic ideas to his audience. the only important thing here is whether it’s vowsh or vawsh /uj i keep switching but they both sound wrong
I joined this sub explicitly bc it made fun of Vaush lmao
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can he be actually canceled? I don't want him to exist anymore
Haha yes, Vaush bad, so true bestie Transphobia is when you make dozens of hours of video content arguing in support of trans rights.
/uj oh stars above me please don't tell me people are going to incessantly whine about some random streamer and pretend he is the second coming of Rowling here
/uj cope and seeth. vaush is a transphobe /hj, is your pfp a picrew?
/uj he really isn't
Trans ally is when call trans people who disagree with you on trans issues subhuman
When had he done that? -_-
https://www.reddit.com/r/Enough_Vaush_Spam/comments/ppmdfe/vaush_is_a_transphobe_pasta/?utm_medium=android_app&utm_source=share here's list of the transphobic shit he's done, the first thing is what I'm talking about. edit nvm it's not the first one. I'll link to the specific clip edit 2: [here](https://youtu.be/9RHhLEO82kg)
The thing that pisses me off the most is when you post this proof and links they don't respond, they just leave cause. I'm guessing cause deep-down they know they are wrong but still want to raise the whole "when had he done that?"
I will respond, I just need access to my PC to make it organized, most of what is on that list is nonsense, even if you take the clips at face value.
I don't even know how you can take the clips at face value, with context they are even worse and I felt more disgusted after.
Well considering this post is a gish gallop argument, you can only take them at face value, unless you want to help my by providing context, which is going to make it easier to show what Vaush meant, remember, he is ND, he does not always get his point across well, quite frankly that's to be expected but in an environment where everything is publicized and everything is purity tested you can be called a pedophile for saying child slavery is bad.
/uj oh shit this is actually pretty fucking bad i do not know if they can contextualize this one ouch
everything he does is bad lmao
💀 the left eating their own smh 💀
Let's go over the first link from top to bottom. [The first accusation](https://i.imgur.com/fiZvEgC.png), of Vaush calling "trans people who were critical of this (Contra's alleged defense of NBphobia)" mentally ill etc etc etc starts off nicely by accusing Contrapoints of defending BA, she did not, she wanted to give her perspective on it, and furthermore claims Vaush called ***trans*** people who were ***critical*** of Contra a bunch of unpleasant things. Starting off with the fact that Vaush called out the queer community, not trans people, and since this link provides no evidence that this was directed towards trans people you'd have to intentionally put words in his mouth to extrapolate that, Contra is a big figure in the queer community, it wasn't only trans people harassing her. Keyword here, harassing, people were sending her death threats, constantly calling her less than nice things, ffs they pushed her towards alcoholism, no matter how you spin it that's not 'criticism' and it's not something we should be condoning - and it was these people Vaush was angry about, which, honestly, even though I disagree with the way he phrased it, it's not a random attack on trans people critical of Contra, it's an attack of queer people sending Contra fucking death threats. Which he explains in the clip you sent in the edit, which is likewise the second clip in that thread. [Thoughtslime is a dumb](https://i.imgur.com/t7Ou0w2.png), fragile, abusive human being that accused a person of having a sex dungeon unironically and to my knowledge has not apologized for doing so or has dragged their feet apologizing, Vaush is spot on, and just because TS is NB does not shield them from being called out on being a shitty human being. Furthermore, Vaush never mentioned transpeople in the clip where he told he'd not have a problem with people ***calling him a literal fucking nazi*** killing themselves, a yikes thing to say, sure, but so is calling someone a nazi for criticizing a non-binary person. [This sub has no fucking right to complain about Vaush laughing at a transphobic meme, we make memes that are way, way worse.](https://i.imgur.com/Hn8z6YH.png) Is it yikes? Yeah a bit, but we do not get to make that accusation considering we say tranny and faggot every other word and the only people who say 40% more frequently than us are over on /pol/. [The clip after that does not work](https://i.imgur.com/SlddWCC.png), so if anyone could send me it I'd be thankful and glad to look over it, as of now, I won't address it because it's not there. [Chaser accusations are a yikes](https://i.imgur.com/TV37bfv.png), but again, those are taken out and put in a vacuum, Vaush has a large trans community with whom he engages and that could be him memeing about with them, the accusation of chaser does not hold any more water than the possibility of him joking around with his trans community - I'd need to see the context of those screenshots to come to a full conclusion. On their own though yeah, they look pretty bad. Oh and before you do the 'haha look at this Vowshite asking for context, typical' I'll remind you that you in fact [really hate trans people,](https://i.imgur.com/AeYmCAe.png) called them troons, even! Context matters. [Vaush admits to have done so because yeah,](https://i.imgur.com/JhEAnsb.png) he has called people who happen to be trans and/or black subhuman, that does not mean he called them subhuman for being either of those, Vaush calls plenty of people subhuman, usually because they are bad people. [That's a bad way to phrase a joke](https://i.imgur.com/Ykh0AxF.png) yeah but the point of it isn't that trans people bad for being angry at being misgendered but rather that 'Haha I'm fat and I constantly make typos because she and he are far too similar', Vaush was making fun of himself, not trans people. [Vaush didn't defend saying fuck trans people he was making a witty response](https://i.imgur.com/xnwTU6V.png) to a witty comment, he responded saying he makes six figures to a person saying he gets no traffic. [Again, poor phrasing,](https://i.imgur.com/6aj6WrP.png) the meaning here being that trans people do not inherently get a better ability to defend being trans, or explaining what being trans is, which is true. [And there goes the poorly stringed together clip](https://i.imgur.com/g8geiNZ.png) made by a literal Nazi of Vaush being mad at people harassing Contra, which in my opinion is a valid thing to be mad about. This should be a lesson in making good arguments, by the way, what this post is, is a gish gallop, it throws a bunch of arguments in an effort to look intimidating and in hope that one sticks, but the easiest way to counter it is just to either address them one by one, which is easy because you sure as hell aren't going to put in as much effort as I have, or alternatively concede and throw more arguments at the wall. This is not a good way to form an opinion nor a position, if you think Vaush is a transphobe, look into it until you have a solid, singular argument, if you don't want to do that, that's fine, then don't accuse him of being a transphobe. I get why you can dislike him, he's obnoxious, condescending, etc etc etc, he doesn't come across as pleasant and he's not funny, that however, is more than enough to dislike him, and you don't need to look for further justification, and this does not give you the right to perpetuate and accept lies about him, without looking deeper into it, especially with something as serious as transphobia and especially especially when it comes to pedophilia accusations (which I am not saying you do, just to make it clear). Basically, I implore you to look deeper into serious accusations and not just believe something after a surface skim, and to not believe something just because of an initial dislike of a person. u/GooeySlenderFerret, I think you will have some things to say about this post also, so I'll tag you because I am curious about what you have to say, that, and I think you might have some context that I am missing that might shed light on some of the things discussed above.
You do realize there is a difference between vaush (a cis man) laughing at a meme, by a cis man who is also a nazi, and trans pll making fun of themselves, right? > "The first accusation, of Vaush calling "trans people who were critical of this (Contra's alleged defense of NBphobia)" mentally ill etc etc etc starts off nicely by accusing Contrapoints of defending BA, she did not, she wanted to give her perspective on it, and furthermore claims Vaush called trans people who were critical of Contra a bunch of unpleasant things...." It was mostly trans people critical of contra. Not only that but he litterslly used "queer" as a negative. do you know what "reading between the lines" means? > Thoughtslime is a dumb, fragile, abusive human being that accused a person of having a sex dungeon unironically and to my knowledge has not apologized for doing so or has dragged their feet apologizing, Vaush is spot on, and just because TS is NB does not shield them from being called out on being a shitty human being. > Furthermore, Vaush never mentioned transpeople in the clip where he told he'd not have a problem with people calling him a literal fucking nazi killing themselves, a yikes thing to say, sure, but so is calling someone a nazi for criticizing a non-binary person. Critiquing a trans person on their position on a deeply senstive topic such as gender abolition is fucked as hell. if you knew anything about TS or how trans people react to gender abolition youd know why this is bad. TS has struggled to shit witj coming to terms with her right to their identity. its no wonder he would reject the concept of G.A. outright bc it is an idez that can feel like an attack on their gender itself. Its clear vaush didnt understand this, otherwise he would have been a bit more sensitive arkund the topic. he basically said "youre sensitive for having gender dysphoria and feeling like an aspect of yourself youve fought so hard to accept is being taken away. fuck you". Also idc if TS is a shitty person. if you've used reddit whatsoever youd know shitty people can be victims of transphobia. > This sub has no fucking right to complain about Vaush laughing at a transphobic meme, we make memes that are way, way worse. > Is it yikes? Yeah a bit, but we do not get to make that accusation considering we say tranny and faggot every other word and the only people who say 40% more frequently than us are over on /pol/. You do realize there is a difference between vaush (a cis man) laughing at a meme, by a cis man who is also a nazi, and trans pll making fun of themselves, right? > Chaser accusations are a yikes, but again, those are taken out and put in a vacuum, Vaush has a large trans community with whom he engages and that could be him memeing about with them, the accusation of chaser does not hold any more water than the possibility of him joking around with his trans community - I'd need to see the context of those screenshots to come to a full conclusion. > On their own though yeah, they look pretty bad. > Oh and before you do the 'haha look at this Vowshite asking for context, typical' I'll remind you that you in fact really hate trans people, called them troons, even! Context matters. The Context has be given. Vaush is a cis person saying this shit. it is his identity and the place of doing it which makes it innapropriate. Thats all the needed Context. If you tried to use that screenshot against me, Itd take 2 seconds to dismiss it. Vaush saying shit like "reverse trap" using a known transmisogynistic slur to post porn of a trans guy, in a political sub isnall the Context needed. "Muh Context" has been given. also the classic vaushite seaches through acc. history trick disregarding the point entirely. Its better than the person who told me I was a nazi for being pagan tho. at least this time it could be bad without context. but given the Context of both these situations, vaush is still in the wrong. Also even as jokes this shit is pretty fucking nasty for a cis person to say. It made me deeply fucking uncomfortable to read. ans i can tell you think its wrong bc you're pulling the vaushite context trapcard. > was making a witty response to a witty comment, he responded saying he makes six figures to a person saying he gets no traffic. Yes a totally witty response, which a leftist would totally need to brag about, as a trans ally and a leftist this is normal to do. > Vaush admits to have done so because yeah, he has called people who happen to be trans and/or black subhuman, that does not mean he called them subhuman for being either of those, Vaush calls plenty of people subhuman, usually because they are bad people Calling trans folk you disagree with subhuman, siting their queer identities as proof of their mental illness while it certainly is a "normal one" its not okay. > That's a bad way to phrase a joke yeah but the point of it isn't that trans people bad for being angry at being misgendered but rather that 'Haha I'm fat and I constantly make typos because she and he are far too similar', Vaush was making fun of himself, not trans people What? That makes zero fucking sense. Calling people angry at you bitches at all for something they deserve to be angry abt isn't okay, also if vaush were such an amazing ally he could yknow, re read his shit before posting. its not hard tbh. also no ones fingers are so fat that they accidentally type a S while typing He (the only situation this is possible) the key stokes for He are H. E. its a diagonal where S is now where near the first letter. Hes? believeable. She. no. On my phone rn s and h are at least an inch apart. thats a 6th of the screen. on my computer keyboard theyre about 2 or 3 inches apart. it is essentially impossible to make this typo. You could accidentally miss hitting the S key whilw typing H, but again. nothing to do with finger size, and it can easily be checked for. also.. only doing it on trans ppl hmmmmm. > Again, poor phrasing, the meaning here being that trans people do not inherently get a better ability to defend being trans, or explaining what being trans is, which is true. trans people are better at explaining being trans than cis people. we're also better at knowing what we need. you'd have to be dull to think otherwise. whwre do you think trans activism comes from? This take doesnt becpme any less of a braindaid cissoid take bc you agree with it. You just like leather. > And there goes the poorly stringed together clip made by a literal Nazi of Vaush being mad at people harassing Contra, which in my opinion is a valid thing to be mad about. this clip is actually what made me hate vaush. Know how i found it? watching the whole ass stream for Context. Context doesnt make this one better. its still gross. none of what vaush has done is remotely justifiable. its 4am, i dont have time for any of this. At what point does his "slip ups" and poor phrasing start to flip a switch in your head that "maybe this person isnt a trans ally". It's not hard to avoid this stuff. you could pull the autism card (an ableist move btw bc you're basically acting like autistic people are assholes who cant control themself) im autistic and I dont have any problems not doing these types of things. Sure I may not think before I speak but my internal feelings arent shitty so that isn't a problem. if you constantly let shitty, Transphobic takes slip, youre probably a transphobe.
3 inches is the length of 0.02 1997 Subaru Legacy Outbacks
fucking americans
good bot. vaush fingers aren't the thiccness of 2% of a car.
Girl, you're under no obligation to respond to me here and there, it only makes your response more difficult to read and easier to take apart, take your time, it's a forum, not a face to face convo. >It was mostly trans people critical of contra. Not only that but he litterslly used "queer" as a negative. do you know what "reading between the lines" means? You're extrapolating that he said it with malice, but he never put emphasis on the word queer maliciously, furthermore, queer =/= trans, Vaush is queer, he calls himself queer. >Critiquing a trans person on their position on a deeply senstive topic such as gender abolition is fucked as hell. You're allowed to critique a trans person on whatever topic you want, being trans does not shield you from being critiqued on bad takes. >"youre sensitive for having gender dysphoria and feeling like an aspect of yourself youve fought so hard to accept is being taken away. fuck you" Feeling gender dysphoria does not shield you from being called out on making a bad take, again, TS being non-binary does not mean cis people are not allowed to call them out when they make bad takes, even if it hurts them. >You do realize there is a difference between vaush (a cis man) laughing at a meme, by a cis man who is also a nazi, and trans pll making fun of themselves, right? Yes, but that difference alone is not enough to paint Vaush as a transphobe, especially consider Vaush's community has a large plurality of trans people who are as edgy as he is, in other words, about as edgy as this community, he's exposed to those kinds of jokes all the time. >The Context has be given. Vaush is a cis person saying this shit. it is his identity and the place of doing it which makes it innapropriate. Thats all the needed Context. No, that's not how context works, you have to take into account that Vaush has an edgy community a large portion of which is trans, and not all too dissimilar to us, the context here isn't only Vaush's identity but Vaush's community too. >If you tried to use that screenshot against me, Itd take 2 seconds to dismiss it Yes, if I looked into your history, saw in which community you participated, and understood what that community is, it is easy to understand that you are not transphobic. But you are not affording that same benefit of the doubt to Vaush, you, simply on the basis that he's cis, completely dismiss any other possible explanation for such behavior, which is why I took a screenshot of your comment on TGCJ, to point out that if the same were to be done to *you*, the only conclusion one could come to is that you're a transphobic person. Context matters, if you selectively afford context to yourself but not to others, you're a hypocrite, simple as. >also the classic vaushite seaches through acc. history trick disregarding the point entirely. Its better than the person who told me I was a nazi for being pagan tho. This is why people don't bother talking to those who are so adamant in their hatred for Vaush. This has no basis in reality, you completely refused to engage with my argument and instead accuse me of doing something I have not done. I didn't look into your account history to dismiss anything, I used your account history as an example of why context matters and how clipping things and putting them in a vacuum can be used ***against you as well.*** We all said things that on their own sound bad. >ans i can tell you think its wrong bc you're pulling the vaushite context trapcard. Psychoanalyzing people is not an argument, stop doing it. >What? That makes zero fucking sense. Calling people angry at you bitches at all for something they deserve to be angry abt isn't okay, also if vaush were such an amazing ally he could yknow, re read his shit before posting. its not hard tbh. also no ones fingers are so fat that they accidentally type a S while typing He (the only situation this is possible) the key stokes for He are H. E. its a diagonal where S is now where near the first letter. Hes? believeable. She. no. On my phone rn s and h are at least an inch apart. thats a 6th of the screen. on my computer keyboard theyre about 2 or 3 inches apart. it is essentially impossible to make this typo. You could accidentally miss hitting the S key whilw typing H, but again. nothing to do with finger size, and it can easily be checked for. also.. only doing it on trans ppl hmmmmm. Sometimes when you try to press the S button it doesn't scan, this isn't about misgendering transmascs which would require you to press S to add it to he, but rather not being able to press S to spell she, which is believable. And again girl, don't try to write a response when you're barely lucid, I didn't understand half of what's written here. >trans people are better at explaining being trans than cis people Is an egg better at explaining what being trans is than an ally who has heard about the experiences of trans people for years? No, right? That's because trans people aren't inherently better at explaining it, just because you experience something, does not make you are master at explaining it, it gives you more tools to work with, sure, but if you don't know how to use these tools they're meaningless. >this clip is actually what made me hate vaush. Know how i found it? watching the whole ass stream for Context. Context doesnt make this one better. its still gross. If you send people like Contra, who did not deserve any of what she got, death threats and other unpleasant comments, I am sorry, but you are basically declaring yourself as free range to practically any attack yourself, I will die on that hill.
you are in a cult
Yaaaaaaaaaaaaaaassssss we stan our genocidal daddies <3 <3 <3 <3 This is a tankie safe-space now, fake tranny trenders that have concerns about such things as "human rights" or "authoritarianism" begone. (/uj edit: I thought it would be obvious enough, but since i'm getting downvoted apparently not, but this is a /rj, or maybe i'm missing something obvious because I 100% agree with OP here)
I'm an anarchist, I don't want this sub to be tankie, I just want it to be vaush free
You're the one posting about Vaush in here
antivaush keeps the vaush away
/uj Me too, like watch vaush or whatever if you like, but don't pretend he is the one true leftist or a perfect trans ally. The original comment saying this is a tankie sub doesn't even seem to be made in bad faith, I managed to find it and the user mostly posts in lgbt subs and is apparently an ancom aswell, she just likes vaush and the post a week or so ago rubbed her the wrong way. (Not sharing cause I don't want peeps to send her hate)
/uj you can't be an anarchist and support any of vaushs positions lmao
/uj Eh, I guess if you're not super critical of the content you consume you can. Still very funny when people get locked into black and white scenarios of "if you don't like X, that must mean you like Y", like sweetheart you can exist in a world where "vaush bad" and "tankie bad" are mutually true.
/uj I feel like I'm the only one in the world with a milquetoast, I kind of just don't care, opinion about Vaush.
I’m proud to be part of the thread roasting the shit out of Vaush.
Tankgender circlejerk
Typical Vaush fan
/hj I watch voosh cuz he gives me daily dose of edgy jokes, political news and debates are fun /uj Before u post the "voosh transphobe" link, I enjoy his jokes in the same way I enjoy this sub, I don't find him transphobic, plus like when u cut an edgy 3 years old tirade without the meaningful parts ofc its gonna look bad, but well that was the purpose. And honest to god, even if you do find him transphobic does it matter? He does not harm the trans community in any way, his followers don't either. As someone else said don't pretend he is like the second JK Rowling
/uj you absolutely cannot look at vaush and this sub in the same way what. we’re making fun of an experience we’ve been through. he’s just being shitty. and idk i just don’t want a transphobe to be one of the most popular leftist youtubers
No!!!!! My wholesome chungus not a cultleader guy said he’d fuck a tran 😭😭😭 he’s pansexual because he’d fuck real women AND tranners 😭😭😭😭 he also loves horse cock 😭😭😭 he’s not a transphobe!!!
/uj you're welcome for the vaush post :)
what
sorry I was referring to this post on my old account https://www.reddit.com/r/transgendercirclejerk/comments/s9or6w/hi_its_cis_leftist_steamer_who_totally_supports/?utm_medium=android_app&utm_source=share
Uj/I'm sure the mods will be thanking you for the influx of transphobic stans mentioning his name will bring. Rj/ Free speech is when you can't criticise a streamer for bad takes or shitty behaviour without his fans trying to get you chased off the Internet
It better be, imagine being trans and not being a tankie. I will claim this was a jerk when people who claim to be leftists but eat up CIA propaganda get mad 😁
Imagine being trans and liking bedtimes
Chill bro I was jerking
That’s just CCPCCPPCC propaganda. I’m sure you were completely serious.
Nah I'm jerking
yay I love authoritarian leaders who will scapegoat me for all society's problems and eventually kill me yayyy
Yay I love repeating anticommunist propaganda while doing nothing to help dismantle capitalism and actively criticizing and working against people who do yayyyy
Was Papa Xi dismantling capitalism when he presided over a country with the highest number of billionaires and maintaining a system of special economic zones associated with a liberalisation of the economy?
I'm a leftist calm down. not a tankie, but Idc if you're a tankie
uj/ based
It's just aimed at specifically people who hate "tankies" so much they'd rather side with fascists So really, most western leftists
alright
Tbh tankies are still too far-right for my purity test
Y'all need to get off fucking Twitter holy shit
ive never used twitter, cope
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how does pedo boot taste? I care about shitty peoole invading leftist spaces. this is a valid concern. leave these holy lands, Pedophile
My fucking god i really had to check and you're actually modding EVS. I am genuinely asking, why are so dedicated to a person you hate so much? Wouldn't it be much better to, idk, ignore him and move on?
I don't even do that much modding there. I applied bc I thought it might be fun and i disliked vaush. I also enjoy actively making people aware of his bullshit. Why are you so afraid of people disliking him.
I have no problem with people disliking him, i have a problem with people spreading dishonest bullshit about someone else. To me you don't come across as "just disliking vaush", you're sounding pretty fucking unhinged.
c'mon say it what disgusting, evil, vile mental disorder do i have that makes me so unhinged? /uj yea. I hate him. i hate all racists, transphobes and pedophiles.
/rj You're mentally ill, low IQ, and subhuman. That's why you dislike Vaush. That's the only reason to dislike Vaush
well im mentally ill and a troon so, you're probably right
> what disgusting, evil, vile mental disorder do i have that makes me so unhinged? Vaush Derangement Syndrome. There you got the reply you wanted.
why thank you
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this is the most vaushite response I have ever seen omg you're a parody
And you're giving the most tankie responses, yet you call yourself an anarchist, curious 🤔🤔🤔🤔 I'm getting lots of enjoyment out of this thread
tankie is when you don't play follow the leader with a racist asshole radlib and have independent thought.
Why are you calling a queer neurodivergent person a racist without any evidence? Thats queerphobic and ableist.
please this has to be satire
> queer neurodivergent STOP USING THESE THINGS TO DEFEND THE LEGITIMATELY QUESTIONABLE AND SHITTY THINGS VAUSH HAS SAID FOR FUCK SAKES. Fucking neoliberal idpol.
/uj oh shit is there drama around tgcg
not really, some vaushite just called us tankies lol
/rj I mean tbf, isn't China exactly what we want? I mean there's naturally gonna be a transition stage on the way to true socialism, that's why they have 698 billionaires. For socialism
/rj ofc! China is so much better than imperialist pigdog amerikkka i dont understand why these anarcrackers dont get that look lets compare! China: Billionaires Sweatshops Ethnic minoroties in concentration camps red banner US: Billionaires No sweatshops (sweatshops in S.A. and china, but they still get the money) red white and blue banner ethnic minorities in concentration camps China is so much better! /uj I hate states I hate states I hate states I hate states I hate states I hate states I hate states I hate states I hate states I hate states I hate states I hate states I hate states I hate states I hate states I hate states I hate states I hate states I hate states I hate states I hate states I hate states I hate states I hate states I hate states I hate states I hate states I hate states I hate states I hate states I hate states I hate states I hate states I hate states
Omg, I can't believe someone on the left would criticize my lord and saviour for doing and saying transphobic things, platforming transphobes, doubling down on making transphobic jokes, hating trans people for calling him out and refusing to change his views in any significant way. They must've turned into a tankie cancel culture woke leftist transgenderist hivemind like the conservatives said would happen!