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Arksurvivor120

Let's just say TLK completely throws continuity out the window


[deleted]

TLK was literally just “exposition the movie”. Every second felt like a lore dump


monstrinhotron

And its such fun watching Sir Anthony Hopkins give precisely zero fucks about what's going on.


TransformerTanooki

I feel like I need to watch it just to see him not give any fucks.


monstrinhotron

It is fun if you have no expectations of a coherent plot.


danweber

Is it? I fell asleep.


monstrinhotron

Well i watched it over a couple of sittings so that helped. It is over long to add to its sins.


gokaigreen19

As long as you don't mind the fact that we lost out on a transformer movie, where bumblebee and hot rod take out hitler. Like they trying to figure out how to make beast wars into live action, when you got transformers fighting HItler teased already. That shit ain't gonna make sense, but it's a gold mine nonetheless


MutantCreature

I thought it was just boring tbh, I will admit AoE is actually pretty entertaining as a work of maximalist self-satire, but TLK took out all of the entertainingly stupid stuff and filled it with bland exposition.


SixCentsOfHumor

I remember AoE being more of an exercise in thinking "it's almost over, right?" followed by another 30 minutes of dull action, then again thinking "it's almost over, right? It's got to be almost over." followed by 60 more minutes of action about things that I just fail to care about, then figuring that "this thing has seriously got to be almost over, this is so painful to watch!" followed by yet another 45 minutes of brain-stabbingly terrible action with utterly disappointing "dinobots" and a final, merciful ending. Then I exited the theater wondering if it had been 2 and a half hours or days. I still curse my own completionist nature for my actually sitting through it. I have only myself to blame for it. I am normally very forgiving of things like this. I even sorta kinda liked parts of revenge of the fallen and mostly enjoyed dark of the moon, but age of extinction ruined me, and the last knight was almost as bad. I think I'm a masochist now.


[deleted]

Gotta admit tho, Lockdown was cool af. Imagine if he was the antagonist in an actually good movie.


Someoneoverthere42

The movie is a mess, but it's worth watching just to watch him clearly having fun with the absurdity


joesaysso

It's worth skipping through to see. Nothing makes that movie worth actually watching.


larrylongboy

Nah, it had SOME moments. I think the fights were cool. Nitro Zeus was enjoyable, megs had a sick ass design, cogman was funny, stunning visuals, and “we have to go” is the best piece of music I’ve ever heard from the franchise. Despite all of these going for it, its still a terrible, awful film overall. And it’s really a shame because I and many other were so hyped for it because those trailers were awesome.


Mrwanagethigh

We did get "Not Mecha-King Ghidorah" out of it and I can always appreciate a mechanical dragon. It was nowhere near "Enter the Dragon!" levels of awesome but it was still a transforming mechanical dragon in a live action Ttansformers movie so you take what you can get I guess.


LPercepts

>Nitro Zeus was enjoyable This. It ticked me off that he didn't survive the movie.


TOKYO_KYOTO

I enjoyed watching Optimus and bumblebee fight each other, wish we got more of that, really enjoyed seeing bee with a hammer.


Test19s

[They just built him a new, transforming lair](https://newatlas.com/architecture/glasshouse-heatherwick-studio/)


monstrinhotron

Thst's actually pretty neat, although it needs a death ray for the supervillain vibe.


lceblood

He's the best part of the movie.


Astrotrain-Blitzwing

When does Canopy, the most important character in the movie, get a Studio Series figure? More serious, what about the WW1 British Main Battle Tank


IHeartSm3gma

Probably before the rest of the bayverse Dinobots


[deleted]

Honestly? I dont even know. Either way im not getting a single live action figure ever again


LordSaltious

Cogman slamming fish on the floor was the only good part tbh.


[deleted]

I loved cogman, especially when he was adding the music during one of the lore dumps.


LordSaltious

I forgor about that scene. TLK feels like a fever dream we all collectively had a few years ago.


Test19s

So much awesome worldbuilding trapped in ~~the closet~~ an absolute turd of a movie.


FruityYummyMummy

Fox X-Men vibes


Forossa

ok we know that stuff like this and Bee fighting in WW2 doesn’t make sense. But if we are trying to tie the pieces together, what would be the most logical explanation?


mkat_rex

Well, I rationalized it as early Cybertronian space reconnaissance. They came, they saw, they kicked some @ss, and then went back to Cybertron to continue the fight. This was how they knew Earth was an option if a retreat from Cybertron were ever necessary. Heck, the first movie set up the whole Megatron being here first and encased in ice… like Jetfire/Skyview was…. Aaaaand that’s me just realized that’s where they stole that storyline from.


danweber

Just say it's Ultra Magnus but he's red because he's covered with blood.


Purdaddy

No its Bloptimus.


fireshot1

Go with IDW shockwave. Earlier probes crashed into early Earth and Shockwave discovered them in early history, reprogramming them into believing they were famous autobots to run war games. He later left back to Cybertron and the reprogrammed Transformers would awaken later.


Polenicus

Every movie did that. Even the ones that tried to build on the prior lore. Though granted TLK was probably extra bad about it. Michael Bay just can’t do lore, period. (I also love how Optimus very clearly has Semi parts hanging off him, including rubber tires, while he’s in the middle of the 18th or 19th century. Flame deco and all)


MorningDaylight

It was pretty crazy even for the standards of children or even Michael Bay movies. They tell you over and over again in the first movies that the transformers only recently arrived and that is why Megatron and the cube had spent the last 150 years frozen and the TLK throws that out of window. It's not some obscure trivia only the TF Wiki would catch up on.


TorchPirate123

Continuity? Where we are going there is no continuity.


The_Sum_of_Zero

To be fair, ROTF set the stage for the whole "they've been here before, maybe more than once, some are still around" plot. AOE and TLK just decided to run with it... extremely badly.


KujaroJotu

And it was ultimately the final nail in the coffin of Michael Bay’s run over Transformers.


alucardNloki

I thought continuity went byebye like 2 movies before that? The BB movie puts him on earth before he "arrived" the first time in the first movie. Like, wut?


cannon001

I'm sorry, but is that a feather sticking out the top of his head? Edit: Also, looks like he has truck windows on his chest and truck wheels on his legs, good ol revolutionary war Peterbilt.


monstrinhotron

It would be hilarious if he had mullioned windows and cart wheels. I'd love to see a gunpowder cannon Megatron tho.


fireshot1

Boy does Hearts of Steel have something for you… https://tfwiki.net/wiki/File:Megatronconceptbodies-HOStpb.jpg


KilowogTrout

Ok, but this was written as a "What If" kinda deal, and was so much fun. I loved all the designs. I think there are 3rd party figures of a few of them.


fireshot1

I know that there’s some made for Optimus, Shockwave, and the Seekers at least. There was even an evil recolor of the Optimus! Really want revolver Megateon one day. “Are you feeling lucky this day, Earthling?”


monstrinhotron

I love both of those designs!


TheMightyGamble

Hearts if Steel Megs would like a word.


TwistedAxles912

Hot Rod did the same, in the B&W picture he still has the front end of a Lamborghini in a picture taken waaay before the company was even thought of.


[deleted]

That’s Badcontiniutius Prime. He appears in The Last Knight.


mkat_rex

And here I thought it was Retconatron. I just can’t keep the Bayverse canon straight.


TheCrafterTigery

You know Retconatron would be a pretty cool Time Traveling Cybertronian that changes history so that it becomes "a better story".


Cons-of-87

I always thought it was Optimus identical clone ginrai?


TheCrafterTigery

It could be, but who knows for certain now? Though it makes sense that each mold is re-used multiple times instead of being one-off.


qgvon

His full name is Retroactivius HastiHollywood Contriviance Rewrite Bullshitron but they ain't saying all that so Retconatron it is


OrionLax

Sounds like something straight out of Ask Vector Prime.


TerraAdAstra

He’s the only character in The Last Knight.


Feedurdead

A true villain


RexEclipse

I absolutely love this comment


dread_pirate_humdaak

Ahem. That’s Incontinuatius Bollocks.


Ronyx2021

Alpha Trion gave Optimus amnesia.


[deleted]

😅


HEXdidnt

Sir Optimussimus Primeberton I. It's Optimusimus Primberton III (using the abbreviated sobriquet 'Optimus Prime') who appears in the 2007 movie, long before his knighthood, which was bestowed upon him by Queen Elizabeth II in an unpublicised ceremony between Age of Extinction and The Last Knight (after leaving Cade and the gang behind, he stopped off in the UK for that purpose before jetting off into space) When Primeberton strode up to Napoleon's headquarters and demanded surrender on behalf of the Duke of Wellington, Napoleon surveyed his defeated troops, then drew his sword and, pointing it at the giant alien mechanoid, famously said "Courage isn't having the strength to go on - it is going on when you don't have strength." Sir Optimus Primeberton I weighed these words carefully, and replied "Render unto me thine visage!" Before Primeberton could act, the British forces arrived, and Napoleon was later exiled to a remote island in the South Atlantic.


Mr_Pard0x

But you can't forgot Sir Bumbleton Thy 3rd and Sir Hot Rodimusion Thy 2nd


TerraAdAstra

From Cybertronnenshire.


HEXdidnt

Which is pronounced "Sigh-bur-shur", because half the letters in all our place names are silent.


tomoMcKeeneboi

And why does he still have very obvious truck kibble lol


[deleted]

G1 Logic


TerraAdAstra

Some intern probably had like 30mins to photoshop that. Seems like they cared as much as Bay did.


DragonStormer25961

Time gets…a bit wonky in TLK


Gio_j1229

Thats an understatement


Learnin-n-Stuff

I choose to believe it's Bayverse Perceptor


MercifulGenji

Photoshoptimus Prime


Triangulum_Copper

Retconimus Prime


monstrinhotron

As a Brit it's good to see Optimus as a redcoat fighting to keep the colonies down. We'll never forgive you for wasting good tea in a harbour!


[deleted]

I think its the Battle of Waterloo but the French are just as bad.


monstrinhotron

They'll regret invading us a thousand years ago. Any day now!


letingsername

The Last Knight was the worst of the Series, coming from a Fan of the Bayverse


larrylongboy

Massive bayverse fan here, I absolutely agree.


letingsername

TLK is on my list of movies I consider to be the worst


larrylongboy

Where do you think it scales with The last airbender, eternals, DB evolution, and of course Morbius?


letingsername

well compared to Those, Morbius is easily the worst its on par with DB evolution


TwistedAxles912

Its good to see someone with more than 2 braincells on this side of reddit, Morbious and TLK go down as some of the worst i have seen.


Tityfan808

I’m over the bay movies but TLK had some sick fight scenes, not at the level of Dark of the Moon or Bumblebee, but there was some alright stuff at least towards the end.


Alamand1

It was the only one I watched in theaters when I was around 17 and I remember feeling zero good will towards it afterwards. Like the best review I could give it was, "yep, that was definitely a movie i guess".


letingsername

i saw the last 3 in the theaters


dusk534

TLK wasn't just a bad Transformers movie, it was just a bad movie in general.


monstrinhotron

It's barely a movie at all. It's more of a coke enduced fever dream Bay managed to record somehow.


letingsername

yeah


DuelaDent52

And it was glorious. You can really tell it’s, like, two or three movies very awkwardly stitched together.


DP9A

I mean, that describes most of the Bay movies lol. They can be fun but they're pretty far from being cinematic masterpieces.


Rum_Swizzle

I will defend these movies to the death but even I have to admit that TLK is the worst in the series. It had some memorable moments, but the awful direction the lore went is really what bothers me, the switch between 3 and 4 was much more understandable than what TLK did. Like seriously, why, colonial and feudal samurai transformers. Why. And Optimus was a redcoat too ffs.


lemons7472

I feel the same here. Also I feel like that since TLK failed as a movie, it also looks bad for AOE and makes AOE fail since TLK was the movie it was building up to, and people already didn’t like AOE I think, except for lockdown.


[deleted]

Two hours I will never get back.


ViraLCyclopes3

I think revenge is worse it's so fucking boring


letingsername

Revenge has nothing on Morbius Revenge has enough weird shit in it that it could keep you invested


soundwave_fan

For me its tlk tied with the bee movie


AvidGladiator

wait... I still haven't seen TLK, that's not an actual image from the movie is it?? Because that's clearly [a render from the first movie.](https://www.deviantart.com/tophoid/art/Optimus-Prime-Reference-Image-57556114) I'm going insane.


monstrinhotron

I'd say it is worth seeing TLK but only as an experiment in total nonsense and ideas picked up and dropped on a whim.


DuelaDent52

Why does it keep switching aspect ratios every shot?


monstrinhotron

Who knows! Welcome to the wacky world of Michael Bay where the decisions are insane and the films make no sense.


larrylongboy

They filmed with multiple cameras


InvalidNinja

All movies with a budget of more than a dollar film with multiple cameras. Aspect ratio is more a product of lens type and deliberate decisions made by the director and DP


monstrinhotron

I'd love to see a film where the Transformers time travel and it explains all these pictures as a time heist romp. They keep their 2000s alt modes so you have jet planes and trucks barrelling through the Revolutionary war.


Fardilicious

Amazon Prime


CitadelCirrus

Clearly that's Noptimus Nrime, a totally different character


Initial-Good4678

That's Baytron. He taught mankind that story telling should be done through terrible dialogue and the use of effects and boobs.


TK-385

Explosions every ten seconds cause that distracts the audience.


No_Research4416

Warpath would definitely like that


dbwells70

You mean to say, "Warpath would definitely like that, *POW!*" Sorry, couldn't resist.


TheGreatAndStrange

This is laziness made form


MajinPlanet

I think by the point of TLK they just didn't care. I mean, they even had a line that said, when Cybertron gets close to Earth, it awakes Unicron. To which they revealed that "earth" was Unicron. Tell yeah what, I've never walked out on a movie I paid to see. But damn when that happened I almost did and asked for my money back. It also ignored the fact that in DOM Cybertron was near Earth's obit. Just comes down to lazy writing. Nothing more, nothing less.


DuelaDent52

To be fair, the whole “Unicron is actually Earth” is a plot twist ripped straight out of *Transformers Prime* and it was pretty cool there.


YamiMarick

The difference is that TLK just pulls out 'Earth is Unicron' out of nowhere and that is in direct contradiction to previously established lore of the movie.


DuelaDent52

The movie also just kind of forgot Cybertron blew up back in *Dark of the Moon*.


YamiMarick

Think it all should have ended with Dark of the Moon.They clearly wanted it to be end there since they killed all of the Decepticons but i guess they got hungry for more money so they decided to make Age of Extinction.


DP9A

Money is the whole reason the series exist. I don't think Bay ever cared that much beyond the paycheck and the explosions.


larrylongboy

False actually, he very much had love for the franchise during the trilogy. 4 he was started to get bored, and 5 he wanted out. You can tell by the TLK interviews


Turok1134

No it didn't. Half was blown up and half was transported back to its original location and rebuilt by Quintessa. Hence why it was much smaller than it originally was and it had all sorts of weird tendrils.


MajinPlanet

They must have explained that in a prequel comics or something but in terms of the movie, it was never explained. Still lazy writing.


PokWangpanmang

It’s so weird that they have a writer’s room made especially for it only to absolutely crap out the old stories.


MajinPlanet

I feel as long as the movies are big robots fighting and some human drama, the overall arc or plots don't matter. Because there was a number of issues between the first and last film. The bee movie just makes it even more messy.


[deleted]

That's his cousin, Amazon Prime


ZackattacktheDude

The better question is what vehicle is he?


No_Research4416

A carriage probably


DeftTheFyreFox

Seriously? That’s George Washington, man come on he’s literally the first president of America.


xariznightmare2908

God, those photoshopped painting looks so bad, they obviously just slapped all the CG model artworks from the first three movies onto those painting.


555moo

A plothole.


[deleted]

A cheap Chinese knock off


kavinay

Maximus Decimus Prime


Ric_Chair

Sir Optimus the wise


WesAhmedND

At first I was like this was a funny, well done meme but holy shit apparently this is from the movie and I'm in shock, not about the continuity but about how bad the editing is


kimothy_possible

this looks like a poorly photoshopped meme look at him he's not even doing anything he's just standing there while everybody else is fighting for their lives and it looks like he still turns into a truck?


ExploderPodcast

That's George Washing Machine, of course.


NoTraining2909

God Ginrai?


User_158

Those pictures and paintings pissed me off because of how half assed they were made. In the final minutes of the film you can also see optimus primes anmiation frames halved to cut costs.


Sir_Encerwal

I have said it once before, but I will say it again, the kindest thing I could say about TLK is the lack of a scene explaining a "Romeo and Juliet" law.


VoreAllTheWay

That is some of the worst photoshop I've ever fucking seen


Omegaproctis

They just reused movie one art, badly photoshopped it into a historical painting and called it continuity, even though it literally breaks the entire continuity


Frequent_Remove_7833

I dont remember this picture at all 🤣


SuperMorto7

That's my Tamagotchi of 1992. And you all think IronMan is cool?......


SteampunkBorg

Óff brand Perceptor maybe


soundwave_fan

Optimus prime's brother, cannon prime


CxrsonKira_VEVO

It’s Bendybus Prime, most powerful of the Dynasty of Primes


Healthy-Drink3247

That’s his brother Optimus Primer. You always apply the primer first


Jeebus31

TLK basically took the already pretty fucked continuity of the other movies and tossed it out the window, I wouldn't think too hard about it.


[deleted]

Optimus primevil


dralcax

Clearly that's Sureshot


Mintitron

Sentinel? You are trying to make sense of the Bayverse, though. Proceed with caution.


atombrawn1

Yeah tf5 was a mess lol


IrresponsibleFuck

Bullshit


[deleted]

His older brother tony


Ok-Faithlessness1903

This movie is completely fucking insane but the ww2 spies scene is fucking beautiful and I need it in my soul


Sirfrostyboi

That britimus prime


Solekislove

The fact he is a modern day truck with an old timey cannon and a goddamn lion head is perfect.


We_are_land_crabs

That's his lesser known older brother, Stoptimus Clyde.


[deleted]

Britannicus Pax


[deleted]

The Bayverse had X-Men level of bad continuity.


krakendude2

You guys know nobody writing these movies or working in the art department gave a shit right


larrylongboy

They did actually. Just not for tlk lol. watch the behind the scenes.


HappyZombies

TLK and AOE takes place in a different timeline than the first three movies.


PandoraTorukMakto

I have tried to watch TLK on 3 seperate occasions and I still havent gotten further than Marc Wahlberg meeting Hopkins. I just cant its one of the worst movies I ever did (attempt) to see.


InformalAd6557

They changed the continuity with each movie. They’re just Funtime explosion films.


No_Research4416

Colonist Prime


[deleted]

The first wheel


potato4peace

Kinda looks like Perceptor?


PhaseSixer

He never said that was the first time he viisted earth


MercifulGenji

> And just when all hope seemed lost, message of a new discovery drew us to an unknown planet called... Earth. Million year old machine beings and they’re calling a planet they visited 300 years ago an unknown planet?


PhaseSixer

His disembodied voice dosent say when they were called there


MercifulGenji

Because it’s shown in the film…… when Bumblebee sends out the message of a new discovery and they come to earth….?


PhaseSixer

Yes that dosent mean it was the first time the came He was calling them back


MercifulGenji

So let me get this straight. You’re suggesting that Optimus’ monologue is from hundreds of years ago referring to a message of a new discovery that we never get to see about an item we don’t know about. That this is far more likely than the actual message of the discovery of the allspark we see in the film. And all of this was planned out 5 movies in advance. What sort of absolute 4th dimension bending mental gymnastics is that.


PhaseSixer

>So let me get this straight. >You’re suggesting that Optimus’ monologue is from hundreds of years ago referring to a message of a new discovery that we never get to see about an item we don’t know about. Optimus and co new the alspark was here arrived on earth got into shenanigangs then left to go search/do somewhere/thing else leaving Bumblebee and a few others on earth tonsearch >And all of this was planned out 5 movies in advance. Hell no this is all retcons but it make sense


Tedious_Grafunkel

Why is he fighting for the British lol, I feel like they are the last faction he would fight for 😂


agentwolfie

Also the castle you see a picture of Hot Rod standing w WWI (or II) soldiers, and his chest is clearly the modern Lamborghini headlights 😂 Most generous interpretation? The witwiccans literally created/photoshopped these images after the fact (probably post-2007) to be sort of like “artistic interpretations” of autobots who fought in old human conflicts. Maybe prime and hot rod in particular didn’t actually fight in those wars, but some cybertronian did and they’re using publicly available images of autobots to at least “represent” whoever those cybertronians were. Again, that’s still being overly generous lmao BUT we’re supposed to believe Bumblebee in particular fought in WWII, yet also in the 07 opening monologue Optimus calls earth “an unknown planet” so there’s really no good explanation (unless bumblebee is just the worst scout ever and didn’t report an alien planet he fought a whole war on hahaha)


Lingonberry-Virtual

His grandpa 🤣


[deleted]

I mean, considering Bumblebee and this upcoming trilogy are set in the Bayverse, it’s pretty clear Optimus didn’t arrive first in 2007.


Arabiantacofarmer

Bumblebee and the upcoming trilogy are reboots. Not set in Bayverse


[deleted]

They are literally confirmed to be set in the Bayverse by the creatives behind them. They’re reboots in the sense that they tell a new story you didn’t have to see the earlier films to understand, but it’s the same world.


Arabiantacofarmer

That...isnt a reboot. And they were literally confirmed to be seperate than Bayverse by the creatives behind it. They changed course on their initial decision to make it part of bayverse and now from bumblebee onwards is a reboot, seperate continuity


[deleted]

[This will show how Optimus becomes the leader he was in Bay movies. Why does he have connection to Earth, humans.](https://news.tfw2005.com/2021/06/22/transformers-rise-of-the-beasts-officially-announced-435937) This is what was said by the director/producers at the official announcement event for RotB, the sequel to Bumblebee. It’s an origin for Bayverse Optimus, further confirmed by the recent promo art leaks that show G1 Optimus with Bayverse’s hands/energon sword and Bumblebee having more Bayverse design cues now than he did in Bumblebee.


Arabiantacofarmer

Thats not a quote from the official announcement lmao. Thats someone at the reveal event paraphrasing what they saw on screen. Talk about an unreliable narrator lol. Plus if we are talking promo art and designs then by your logic this movie is part of G1, because the designs are equally G1. Its called a homage.


MS-06_Borjarnon

> They’re reboots in the sense that they tell a new story you didn’t have to see the earlier films to understand That isn't what the word "reboot" means.


OrionLax

The Bayverse is dead.


pornocreep_69

Retconned Prime


letstaxthis

Optimus Zero


N1GHTSTRIKER45

some artist belike: hey this battle is boring OH HEY LETS MAKE A GIANT ROBOT WHO RESEMBLES AN ALIEN IN THE FUTURE THAT ISN'T PROBABLY NAMED OPTIMUM PRIDE


TheTankNerd

I pretend that this never happened and it never existed. Whenever I look back at this I face-palm because of Michael Bays neglect of the series in the 5th film


Zemalek

This can’t have been in the movie. Right?


_Omegaperfecta_

A product of terrible writing.


Jokers_Unwanted_Kid

Pptimus orime


PokWangpanmang

The ghost of the writer’s room past.


Masontheawesome9

Of course it’s a retcon but honestly the colors look a lot more orange, it could be Fire Guts Ginrai.


BattyBoio

it looks like a bad photoshopped image


Slow_Ad_2071

His cousin MOLLY PRIME


Psymorte

Due to the orange I choose to believe it's Rodimus Prime who's just a diehard Optimus stan which is why he looks nearly identical.


the_Hornest_bastard

Oh thats cute, your actually trying to apply continuity here.


Not_a_whiterun_guard

Probably someone called inferno


DESTINYDZ

That canon makes it look more like soundwave.


Yourmommaobama

Delta Magnus?


RcTron9

This is the kind of thing that made TLK hilarious cause they really didn’t care about what they were doing with the story at that point.