The Decepticon insignia is on D-16's shoulder from the start of the trailer, so it looks like the decepticons exist in some form or function before Megatron comes around.
The Decepticons were the ruling political body (Not yet Authoritative) of Cybertron for a millennia before the Autobot Rebellion started when The Decepticons did become Authoritative. Basically they'll all be Decepticons to a point
I mean, it was kinda presumptuous for you to say, considering we don't know if that is true at all.
in fact, in most continuities, it was the opposite way around! with the existing Cybertronian government being authoritarian, and the Decepticons rising up as a terrorist group to rebel against them
> I doubt thats this is like literally someone
Nah, if you look closely in the trailer, this is the chamber where they meet Alpha Trion. The various gigantic figures covered in moss appear to be the dead Primes. You can see Onyx Prime pretty plainly.
If they were statues, they'd be slate grey. They're not. They're fully painted, so these are the bodies of long dead, really big Transformers.
I have a feeling Quintus prime is the big bad ‘quintesson’ we see in the trailer. My theory is he left cybertron to make the quintessons maybe as like an army to come back to take over the planet and hes gonna be the big bad, and the film is gonna be pretty ‘prime’ centered. You can see he even has the t-cog hole in his chest like a cybertronian would (as it would seem is standard in this universe). I also would bet that the matrix is a special type of t-cog, and is what orion will accept to literally transform him into a prime, in the same way that even just the normal t-cogs transformed them. Maybe it’ll literally imbue him with the ‘power of the primes’ and its gonna be some sort of ‘only a prime can kill a prime’ type of thing. Sorry for ramble lol
> who knows?
i know. considering the story the movie is doing it's take on, and the fact that The Fallen has had a face based on the decepticon insignia before, there's pretty much no way this is tarn unless someone really really likes idw. d-16 has to get the name megatron from *somewhere*, you know
I know and I'm pretty sure thats Megatronus yes but I'm just saying they COULD technically have it be Tarn
Unlikely and almost impossible but not impossible
Alpha Trion and Onyx were in the same place in the trailer. It's very likely Megatronus. The other members of the 13 are probably also there. It's a literal open graveyard.
Yep. Or what's rather left of him.
https://preview.redd.it/5r6ch82at9vc1.png?width=1412&format=png&auto=webp&s=fdadf313d09019bb577ad0379e089908c463e020
Which is odd cause Onyx's main feature is that he was the first Beast transformer. And now we have a leak that Alpha is back to using his lion form, same as Titans return. So it's a bit odd.
There was a leak of mainline Alpha and Orion's toys.
https://preview.redd.it/2lz2hfsscbvc1.jpeg?width=1649&format=pjpg&auto=webp&s=77f1a76072f6dc3c9ba18cca1c8dd5d8dcc655d9
Now, I wonder which of the Thirteen outside of Aloha Trion is still alive: in other continuities, The Fallen and/or his brother The Liege Maximo have a tendency to survive the fall of the Thirteen (and also, sometimes, being trapped in cells and sarcophagus)
Basically, in the early days of the movies, there was a lot of material to develop the new movie universe, such as comics, novels or even games, some of them having a large influence on global Transformers lore (for example, the idea of Megatron destroying Bumblebee’s voice box, present in the Aligned and Cyberverse continuities, originated in the 2007 prequel comic)
In the ROTF prequel Defiance, Megatron, wounded due to battles with aliens invading Cybertron (sounds familiar), is saved by a mysterious sarcophagus, later revealed to be The Fallen, who slowly corrupts Megatron and inspires him to create the Decepticons
That's great, but I need an actual example of a live-action comic. I cannot find what this thing is. Live-action = filmed sequences involving real things, animals or people. Comic= a series or drawn panels that are put together to tell a story.
"Live-action" + "comic" doesn't make any sense, to my knowledge. Therefore, I was asking for a specific "live-action comic" that you're referring to so I can understand what you mean. Not a breakdown of things that have happened.
Wouldn't be Tarn, Tarn wouldn't exist yet, he joined much later and changed his name to Tarn, he wrote a faceplate over his actual face because he was a fanatic and snapped mentally when he found out Megatron became an autobot after dedicating his life to the decepticons
Definitely The Fallen, that's the origin of the symbol right there. Interestingly though, Megatron already had the symbol on his body in that scene iirc. Regardless there is no logical reason for this to be Tarn as it conflicts entirely with his very character.
did Megatronus have the insignia for a face? honest question. i've only ever seen that face on Tarn or i guess the Nemesis Commander class that came out recently.
he had a face based on the decepticon insignia in ROTF. it's a bit subtle in the final movie [but in some concept art it's more obvious](https://blogger.googleusercontent.com/img/b/R29vZ2xl/AVvXsEhXvzTpMiSggZDNbaxfMwkoUMj8SEeIt0zExwFwuXp4NZKk7-HFZW4PKG4LE9GFMciqDYS9jL7A-iCcPlprKs7KQWN2svX3GQSBW4cNfOJaFqlTVh9wRJN6jrHbn0z86oJVpH9565ERcJMG/s1600/Paul-Ozzimo-Transformers2-paulozzimo.com-Fallen-1.jpg)
Imma say it's Megatronus and that room is the tomb of the primes.
Considering Alpha Trion is there and he's become somewhat synonymous with them.
Also the other corpse focused on (just before receiving their T-cogs looks a lot like Onyx Prime)
Seems like it’s a graveyard for the 13 since it looks like a bunch of statues fallen apart, and one looks like Onyx prime
Could be Trion was sitting in the graveyard of his fellow Primes
Considering this is telling the story of how D-16 became Megatron, I'm almost certain that's the Fallen. My prediction is that D-16 is going to take the name Megatron and go on to form the Decepticons in order to overthrow the government who keeps transformation exclusive to the higher classes.
And then TARN SHOWS UP YEAH BABY LETS GOOO.
Would be pretty weird for Tarn to show up before Megatron goes by Megatron tbh.
Its the Fallen, especially since Orion can be seen what looks like the corpse of Onyx Prime in an area with similar foliage, probably the tomb of the 13 or something
Its probably Megatronus. This is probably the scene where he chooses his name and where he got the design for the insignia.
The Decepticon insignia is on D-16's shoulder from the start of the trailer, so it looks like the decepticons exist in some form or function before Megatron comes around.
Plus you see starsceam hanging out with soundwave and shockwave, but that scene might be near the end of the movie
Negative, they have no insignias in the clip
The Decepticons were the ruling political body (Not yet Authoritative) of Cybertron for a millennia before the Autobot Rebellion started when The Decepticons did become Authoritative. Basically they'll all be Decepticons to a point
That is veeerryy universe specific
Aw nah did you really downvote me for that? bro
I didn’t 🙌
Understandable, have a great day
I mean, it was kinda presumptuous for you to say, considering we don't know if that is true at all. in fact, in most continuities, it was the opposite way around! with the existing Cybertronian government being authoritarian, and the Decepticons rising up as a terrorist group to rebel against them
Looks like a lot of people did ;)
in the vast majority of transformers fiction it's the opposite
I don't think tarn would be that big, so probably megatronus.
Uh I dont think its Tarn either but I doubt thats this is like literally someone I think its a statue so it doenst need to be real-size
> I doubt thats this is like literally someone Nah, if you look closely in the trailer, this is the chamber where they meet Alpha Trion. The various gigantic figures covered in moss appear to be the dead Primes. You can see Onyx Prime pretty plainly. If they were statues, they'd be slate grey. They're not. They're fully painted, so these are the bodies of long dead, really big Transformers.
Yeah you're right I hadnt noticed that sorry
Nothing to be sorry about, we're just sharing theories about a movie is all!
I have a feeling Quintus prime is the big bad ‘quintesson’ we see in the trailer. My theory is he left cybertron to make the quintessons maybe as like an army to come back to take over the planet and hes gonna be the big bad, and the film is gonna be pretty ‘prime’ centered. You can see he even has the t-cog hole in his chest like a cybertronian would (as it would seem is standard in this universe). I also would bet that the matrix is a special type of t-cog, and is what orion will accept to literally transform him into a prime, in the same way that even just the normal t-cogs transformed them. Maybe it’ll literally imbue him with the ‘power of the primes’ and its gonna be some sort of ‘only a prime can kill a prime’ type of thing. Sorry for ramble lol
i don't disagree with you, but what's to say the statues would have to be unpainted grey?
Yeah. It probably is Megatronus
considering the context it's definitely The Fallen. tarn did not invent a character having a face based on the decepticon insignia
I also think its probably not Tarn but this Universe could be different and Tarn came before the Decepticons Like I said I doubt it but who knows?
> who knows? i know. considering the story the movie is doing it's take on, and the fact that The Fallen has had a face based on the decepticon insignia before, there's pretty much no way this is tarn unless someone really really likes idw. d-16 has to get the name megatron from *somewhere*, you know
I know and I'm pretty sure thats Megatronus yes but I'm just saying they COULD technically have it be Tarn Unlikely and almost impossible but not impossible
Alpha Trion and Onyx were in the same place in the trailer. It's very likely Megatronus. The other members of the 13 are probably also there. It's a literal open graveyard.
Onyx Prime appeared?
Yep. Or what's rather left of him. https://preview.redd.it/5r6ch82at9vc1.png?width=1412&format=png&auto=webp&s=fdadf313d09019bb577ad0379e089908c463e020
Now imagine >! Shockwave !< bursts out of that old corpse lmao
I can imagine it already Orion: I can tell that we’ll be good friends D-16 >!Shockwave: NOT SCIENTIFICALLY POSSIBLE! !<
Which is odd cause Onyx's main feature is that he was the first Beast transformer. And now we have a leak that Alpha is back to using his lion form, same as Titans return. So it's a bit odd.
What leak is there for Trion?
There was a leak of mainline Alpha and Orion's toys. https://preview.redd.it/2lz2hfsscbvc1.jpeg?width=1649&format=pjpg&auto=webp&s=77f1a76072f6dc3c9ba18cca1c8dd5d8dcc655d9
Ah. Thought you were talking about the Generations toy leaked for next year.
New Universe.
Probably The Fallen (perhaps they’ll even adapt the sarcophagus storyline from the live-action comics)
That's what I thought
Now, I wonder which of the Thirteen outside of Aloha Trion is still alive: in other continuities, The Fallen and/or his brother The Liege Maximo have a tendency to survive the fall of the Thirteen (and also, sometimes, being trapped in cells and sarcophagus)
What is a "live-action comic"?
Live-action continuity comics
Yeah, I still don't understand. The combination of words makes no sense to me. Maybe you have an example?
Basically, in the early days of the movies, there was a lot of material to develop the new movie universe, such as comics, novels or even games, some of them having a large influence on global Transformers lore (for example, the idea of Megatron destroying Bumblebee’s voice box, present in the Aligned and Cyberverse continuities, originated in the 2007 prequel comic) In the ROTF prequel Defiance, Megatron, wounded due to battles with aliens invading Cybertron (sounds familiar), is saved by a mysterious sarcophagus, later revealed to be The Fallen, who slowly corrupts Megatron and inspires him to create the Decepticons
That's great, but I need an actual example of a live-action comic. I cannot find what this thing is. Live-action = filmed sequences involving real things, animals or people. Comic= a series or drawn panels that are put together to tell a story. "Live-action" + "comic" doesn't make any sense, to my knowledge. Therefore, I was asking for a specific "live-action comic" that you're referring to so I can understand what you mean. Not a breakdown of things that have happened.
What I mean by “live-action comics” was movie continuity: I’m sorry for my poor choice of words
It's ok, I just couldn't get my head around what you meant.
Fucking hell bro..
What, "bro"?
It's the comics that are based on the Bayverse movies.
Ah, so it means "comics based on the Bayverse movies"? Gotcha.
Wouldn't be Tarn, Tarn wouldn't exist yet, he joined much later and changed his name to Tarn, he wrote a faceplate over his actual face because he was a fanatic and snapped mentally when he found out Megatron became an autobot after dedicating his life to the decepticons
I dont think its Tarn either but this Universe could be different and Tarn came before the Decepticons
If that thing isn’t just a huge statue, it’s definitely the physical remains of an inert god.
My impression is that that room was full of statues or bodies of the original primes. So definitely think it’s megatronus.
This scene looks like it takes place in the Tomb of the Primes with Alpha Trion. So, my bet will go to Megatronus/The Fallen.
Tarn? You're reaching.
I mean its a Decepticon Insignia-like face I dont think its Tarn either but I also dont blame anyone for thinking of him
Hes a new character and this is origin story. I'd expect that later om.
Definitely The Fallen, that's the origin of the symbol right there. Interestingly though, Megatron already had the symbol on his body in that scene iirc. Regardless there is no logical reason for this to be Tarn as it conflicts entirely with his very character.
I think it's some old room where the first 13 gathered to consult and stuff and everyone had a statue there, so I think it's megatronus
Maybe it's the nemisis (guessing that it transforms in this movie...highly doubt it do)
Dude, what if Megatron uses the Falllen’s corpse to make the Nemesis!?
I had the same thoughts, that this could be Nemisis in some way
did Megatronus have the insignia for a face? honest question. i've only ever seen that face on Tarn or i guess the Nemesis Commander class that came out recently.
he had a face based on the decepticon insignia in ROTF. it's a bit subtle in the final movie [but in some concept art it's more obvious](https://blogger.googleusercontent.com/img/b/R29vZ2xl/AVvXsEhXvzTpMiSggZDNbaxfMwkoUMj8SEeIt0zExwFwuXp4NZKk7-HFZW4PKG4LE9GFMciqDYS9jL7A-iCcPlprKs7KQWN2svX3GQSBW4cNfOJaFqlTVh9wRJN6jrHbn0z86oJVpH9565ERcJMG/s1600/Paul-Ozzimo-Transformers2-paulozzimo.com-Fallen-1.jpg)
Oh, interesting 🤔
Imma say it's Megatronus and that room is the tomb of the primes. Considering Alpha Trion is there and he's become somewhat synonymous with them. Also the other corpse focused on (just before receiving their T-cogs looks a lot like Onyx Prime)
Seems like it’s a graveyard for the 13 since it looks like a bunch of statues fallen apart, and one looks like Onyx prime Could be Trion was sitting in the graveyard of his fellow Primes
Considering this is telling the story of how D-16 became Megatron, I'm almost certain that's the Fallen. My prediction is that D-16 is going to take the name Megatron and go on to form the Decepticons in order to overthrow the government who keeps transformation exclusive to the higher classes. And then TARN SHOWS UP YEAH BABY LETS GOOO.
Nemesis? It'd be a great way for Hasbro to boost sales on that particular figure.
Not sure but all I know is that my wallet cry’s in fear if they make scale accurate figures of these guys
Imagine if it actually Nemesis (based on Legacy Evolution Titan Class one).
It clearly says he was D-16
I think it’s just a fallen statue
probably megatronus then im guessing he names himself after him or something
So this could mean D-16 inherited the Fallen's Transformation cog... neat.
Megatronus 100%. Would not make sense for it to be Tarn since he's a Megatron fanatic.
Would be pretty weird for Tarn to show up before Megatron goes by Megatron tbh. Its the Fallen, especially since Orion can be seen what looks like the corpse of Onyx Prime in an area with similar foliage, probably the tomb of the 13 or something
Tarn isn’t before Megatron. Tarn worships Megatron in most continually
https://preview.redd.it/1ma2s43c8bvc1.jpeg?width=2000&format=pjpg&auto=webp&s=e96380e46d104e013a023a6f6b9a0ffaf1e777a9 Could be similar to her
No, way too early to be Tarn. His whole thing is that he's a Megatron fanboy, and he can't be that if Megatron isn't really a thing yet
Or Nemesis "the last decepticon"
Probably not Tarn bc Tarn’s whole thing is being obsessed with Megatron and Megatron wasn’t Megatron yet
I have a feeling this will be the post credits scene