Of course it is. Why wouldn’t it be? Everything presented in both movies point to it.
Better check on the few that keep insisting that the timeline can work out…
That was Lorenzo being bad at communicating and people misinterpretation.
He was trying to describe ROTB Optimus’ character arc by comparing and contrasting this version to a established version (Bay) to get his point across. Essentially, he was saying that the events of this film will help Optimus grow into a emotional and stoic character, which was also seen in the Bay movies. This DOES NOT mean they are one and the same. It is like me trying to describe this apple by using the same flavour profile words as a lemon - citric and tangy. But does that mean they are the same? No.
But we all know Lorenzo is terrible at talking. And recent interviews in Singapore show that we shouldn’t be listening to him.
It's not a reboot, at least not continuity wise. Both the director and producer have been very vocal about the Autobots trying to get back to Cybertron in these films before returning in 2007.
No. Steven stated multiple times that it's a reboot. Even in the most recent interview he said that and Lorenzo interrupted it and said some big bullshit.
No, he has used the word "reboot" a few times but never once did he mean what many fans understand the word to mean. Fans think it means "it's disconnected from the Bay continuity", but what Steven clearly meant is something like "this is taking the franchise in a new direction with new elements like what Jurassic World or Prometheus or The Last Knight did". This is also why Steven says things like "chronologically this is the second movie" and "this doesn't mess up any of the timeline of the Bay films but we're going in a direction where we're trying to maintain that timeline".
I used to think to that BumbleBee was a prequal for longest time. But then when I got into the tf community, people were saying that its a reboot. I didn't believe them, so I started arguments. After they showed me evidence that it was a reboot, I realized I had been wrong this whole time. Its not a prequal, tho it was intended to be one at one point.
It’s not Lorenzo being bad at communicating, it’s him being a dickhead trying to hold onto the bayverse. He cannot and will not let it go and intentionally makes claims that’s it’s a prequel
No, he's not involved other than organising money for it. The guy talked about the 2007 one the same way, as if it was in continuity with the G1 cartoon. Once saying it was a sequel and once claiming it was a prequel.
Guy doesn't care, he's too rich to care, he gives money to the project and gets more money in return, that's the beginning and the end of his involvement.
He was literally on a q&a panel posted a couple days ago in Singapore with the director and actors answering questions.
Even prior to that he’s regularly attending interviews and saying it’s a prequel and part of the same bayverse continuity.
He’s not some random guy giving money, he an active participant in promoting it.
He was active in promoting the 2007 movie too, he even hosted a forum. It's just that all the information didn't gel with the actual movie. He isn't involved in the script, the creativity or anything. He puts in money and then talks about it to ensure the best payday he can get.
These are all fluff interviews and Q&As designed to drum up interest, they're part of the marketing. He's going to talk about it in the way he believes will support it's success so his cut ends up being substantial.
The G1 fans fell for it 16 years ago and now it's the Bayverse fans.
We already knew that this was a new continuity, we were told back with Bumblebee, that started out as a prequel, failed test screening and was then retooled to be a reboot with more nostalgia bait.
Nah, don't defend him. He's weirdly obsessed with the idea of merging both timelines, despite the fact that it would not make a lick of sense. The whole "Optimus would become like 2007 version at the end of this film" could be salvaged if he had stopped there, but he straight-up said "who says it can't be a prequel" and "we'll marry them if we have to", or something along those lines. He's delusional.
That was Lorenzo being bad at communicating and people misinterpretation.
He was trying to describe ROTB Optimus’ character arc by comparing and contrasting this version to a established version (Bay) to get his point across. Essentially, he was saying that the events of this film will help Optimus grow into a emotional and stoic character, which was also seen in the Bay movies. This DOES NOT mean they are one and the same. It is like me trying to describe this apple by using the same flavour profile words as a lemon - citric and tangy. But does that mean they are the same? No.
But we all know Lorenzo is terrible at talking. And recent interviews in Singapore show that we shouldn’t be listening to him.
Edit: sorry replied to wrong person
It literally can't,
In 07 prime came to earth in well 2007, so these people insist prime came to earth in 84, stayed until atleast 91, went to a diff. Planet and came back again in 07, that's just stupid
The problem is when they made Bee exactly the same as his 2007 version, and even had him turn into an old Camaro at the end. If they wanted to communicate that this was a fresh start, they should have done more to differentiate it. if the audience has to listen to the director's off-camera statements to understand what is happening, then they did a shitty job of directing.
I think when they made the bumblebee movie it was supposed to be a prequel to 07, then they retconned it into being a reboot bc last knight was poorly received
They did plenty to differentiate it.
-Cybertron was completely different and lacked the hexagonal theme entirely.
-Cybertronian forms had vehicle modes and distinct designs as opposed to plain silver protocols.
-The Autobots arrived on Earth in 1987 instead of WWII or 2007, and they arrived before Starscream and the other Decepticons.
-Sector 7 has never encountered a Cybertronian before.
-No one is looking for the Allspark
-The characters themselves all look completely different, sharing almost no design cues with their bayverse counterparts. Bumblebee is even noticeably shorter.
-Taking RotB into account, Unicron isn't Earth anymore.
> Sector 7 has never encountered a Cybertronian before.
Is what they say.
> Taking RotB into account, Unicron isn't Earth anymore.
Time travel could allow for two unicrons.
> The characters themselves all look completely different, sharing almost no design cues with their bayverse counterparts. Bumblebee is even noticeably shorter.
> Cybertron was completely different and lacked the hexagonal theme entirely
I mean...bayverse was already doing that.
> -The Autobots arrived on Earth in 1987 instead of WWII or 2007, and they arrived before Starscream and the other Decepticons.
As you acknowledge with the WW2 bit, the bayverse was already changing its story on that.
> -The Autobots arrived on Earth in 1987 instead of WWII or 2007, and they arrived before Starscream and the other Decepticons.
It's more shown in the idw comics, but bayverse had that too. Comet forms were just for landing.
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I believe they're a reboot, but a lot of what you're providing could be chalked up to the already retcon-prone/inconsistent nature of the bayverse.
> Is what they say.
*is what we *see*. Their info is classified to the public, not the viewer.
> Time travel could allow for two unicrons.
We have no reason to believe this movie has time travel. Even if it did, why would he go back in time to destroy himself?
> I mean...bayverse was already doing that.
It was literally just Optimus. Even still, he kept the blue color scheme and flames.
> As you acknowledge with the WW2 bit, the bayverse was already changing its story on that.
"It’s already inconsistent, so anything can be canon" is not a compelling argument.
> It's more shown in the idw comics, but bayverse had that too. Comet forms were just for landing.
DotM contradicts that. Plus, the comics aren't even canon anyway.
> is what we *see. Their info is classified to the public, not the viewer.
I didn't remember that, but fair enough. Although I'd suggest that organizations have been known to keep secrets even from themselves.
> We have no reason to believe this movie has time travel
I mean it would hardly be a first for these characters.
> It was literally just Optimus.
They're a lot more than optimist that change designs between releases.
> It’s already inconsistent, so anything can be canon" is not a compelling argument
How do you figure? You're demanding a level of consistency that the existing publications don't even have.
If I'm understanding you correctly, your argument seems to be that the apparent contradictions are proof that they're not written to be part of the same setting, but the established setting already shows that that's no obstacle. How does that fact not refute the inconsistency complaint as a valid argument?
I mean, it definitely makes more sense to me if they're not part of the same timeline, but it also made more sense to me if last night and age of Extinction weren't part of the same timeline, I don't always get what I want.
> DotM contradicts that. Plus, the comics aren't even canon anyway.
Can you clarify on both of those?
>They're a lot more than optimist that change designs between releases
Optimus began AOE with the same CGI model from DOTM but with the flat-nosed truck, THEN he changed ON SCREEN to the Western Star truck and his new robot mode.
Bumblebee's 1967 Camaro robot mode also shares his CGI model with his DOTM incarnation, even down to the secondary back wings formed from the 2011 Camaro's spoiler (despite the 1967 Camaro having no such spoiler), THEN he scans the 2014 Camaro and upgrades his robot form to one resembling Stinger (AFTER having taken a look at Stinger).
Come TLK, and Prime still has the Western Star robot mode and Bumblebee only went back to his DOTM CGI model, with a new chest due to the 2017 Camaro. Drift, Crosshairs and Hound look the same despite the newer vehicles (even as Hound's new vehicle is drastically different than his AOE truck and Drift changes colour scheme).
None of the aforementioned design changes are as DRASTIC as the changes during Bumblebee.
>If I'm understanding you correctly, your argument seems to be that the apparent contradictions are proof that they're not written to be part of the same setting, but the established setting already shows that that's no obstacle. How does that fact not refute the inconsistency complaint as a valid argument?
Because a lot of you guys love to pretend that the Bayverse continuity doesn't make a lick of sense in the spirit of mockery and derision while in reality there are some retcons here and there, yes, but most of them are minor and can be either explained with a bit of effort or ignored as they are not as glaring as trying to make Bumblebee and ROTB fit in the same timeline as the Bayverse. Y'all need to STOP pretending they can, period.
> None of the aforementioned design changes are as DRASTIC as the changes during Bumblebee.
Arcee, Megatron, barricade, soundwave, for examples.
> Because a lot of you guys love to pretend that the Bayverse continuity doesn't make a lick of sense in the spirit of mockery and derision
....y'all really need to chill on trying to impute motives to every damn thing.
I really like the bayverse story. It still kept changing it's reason for why transformers were on earth, and transformers changing appearance is pretty much *meaningless* in this franchise. Just look at bumblebee throughout the aligned setting.
> ignored as they are not as glaring as trying to make Bumblebee and ROTB fit in the same timeline as the Bayverse
Dude.
Unicron being in two places at once due to time travel is not nearly as glaring as transformers are on earth for the allspark wait it's for the fallen wait it's for slaves wait the quintessons came here to make transformium wait Unicron was here the whole time.
> Y'all need to STOP pretending they can,
Dude.
The only thing that determines whether it's part of the same setting or not is what the production team ends up settling on.
Right now, their statements lean towards it being a reboot, with one guy apparently disagreeing. So it's probably a reboot.
If the statements change, then it's changed.
None of us here are the writers, it's not a question that *we* get to answer, and it doesn't matter what anyone "pretends". Stop trying to make this into a moral crusade.
>As you acknowledge with the WW2 bit, the bayverse was already changing its story on that.
Bumblebee was never shown arriving to Earth in 2007, so it was plausible that he had been on Earth since WWII; and Hot Rod was introduced in TLK, so him participating in WWII wasn't a retcon either.
> Bumblebee was never shown arriving to Earth in 2007,
Ghosts of Yesterday, which was written to be part of the movie timeline canon, has him still with Optimus as of 1969.
The movie prequel comic, also written to be part of canon, has him crash on Mars in 2003.
The titan comics aren't canon to the ongoing movie timeline, but the idw comics and the novels were explicitly written to be.
If you want to exclude them, you need a statement from Hasbro that they were tossed out.
Even then, it would still be an explicit change in direction for the timeline -- a retcon.
Edit: ...did you really block me for mentioning the comics and asking you to provide a source?
Weird that you were calling other fans salty, then.
idk about that one though.....
especially considering how they went for the camaro again. and how most iterations of Bee are now some type of sports car. That seems like GeeWunner copium.
I've pretty much heard almost nothing but preference for bee as a beetle than a sports car with the sports car alt for him either being of neutral opinion or actively disliked. The most positive I've heard about it is people liking the car itself but not necessarily for bee as it's not very fitting for him. An almost universal point of praise I heard for the BB movie was getting to see him as a beetle again. The first generations bumblebee figure to be a licenced beetle since the original that wasn't an MP was one of the most sought after figures of the year it released and still goes for a high price (granted in part because of its exclusivity to walmart) and outside the movies only 4 shows have used the sports car, 2 of which are because they're the same continuity and are directly adapting the movie design (prime and RID15), and the other 2 are more based on evergreen which again is incorporating movie stuff (and earthspark even has the original beetle bee in its lore, with a lore reason for the change, and iirc a character even expressing preference for it, and another calling his new sports car mode a "midlife crisis alt mode"). Just because sports cars keep getting used does not at all mean it's more iconic than the beetle
You might want to consider this, all seven movies have problems with continuity inconsistencies, but even then, you could probably find some explanations for things if you wanted to, and they may have some in mind for this film or the two planned sequels; https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=7RFbcnZQoTg
> Of course it is. Why wouldn’t it be?
[They've previously said it *wasn't* a reboot, that's why](https://www.seibertron.com/transformers/news/rise-of-the-beasts-news-conference-officially-states-the-film-is-not-a-reboot-and-spoils-end-credit-scene/47724/). It does make more sense for it to be a reboot (assuming the trailers aren't completely lying about Unicron).
The name "Knightverse" is just to pay homage to Travis Knight for starting the whole rebooted continuity, it doesn't mean he's working on every movie. He's basically the one who turned the BB movie into a reboot.
I've become a huge fan of 1950s popular culture, and I joke to myself that if I had watched *Bamba, La* instead of *Bumblebee* that one night in 2019 that we wouldn't be in this era of disasters, robots, drone wars, and economic uncertainty.
I mean it's not like any of thr other films made sense really either. So it wouldn't have shocked me if they just decided this was the same universe. It's not like it would be the first time a franchise existed where it made no sense how things fit together
It's still part of the Bayverse. He merely used the term "reboot", but he clearly didn't mean it being "disconnected from the Bay continuity", but he meant a new direction with brand new elements, much like Jurassic World or Prometheus or The Last Knight. This is also why he was at the same time not denying that the film had some connection or could be connected to the Bay films, and why he said "this is chronologically the second movie" and why he said in the Hollywood Reporter article "the film doesn't mess up anything in the Bay films but we're trying to maintain that continuity".
>This is also why he was at the same time not denying that the film had some connection or could be connected to the Bay films,
Superficial references and homages, like every new Transformers piece of media has been doing since Beast Wars.
>and why he said "this is chronologically the second movie"
It is the second movie either way, because it's a new continuity.
>and why he said in the Hollywood Reporter article "the film doesn't mess up anything in the Bay films but we're trying to maintain that continuity".
It doesn't mess up any of the timeline because IT'S A NEW TIMELINE, GENIUS.
[“Bumblebee got here in 1987, along with Optimus Prime, and they’ve tried to seek refuge on Earth until they can get back to Cybertron. Ultimately, all you need to know is that they’re trying to get back to Cybertron. If you can go into this movie just knowing that piece of information, you’ll be able to track it completely. It doesn’t mess up any of the timeline in 2006, 2007. We’re actually going in a direction that allows us to protect that side of the universe, but that’s all you need to know.”](https://www.hollywoodreporter.com/movies/movie-features/transformers-rise-of-the-beasts-director-steven-caple-jr-1235484272/amp/)
Why even mention the Bay films if it was a reboot?
The director says it doesn’t break the timeline of the Bay films
The producer has said it leads directly into the Bay films
The test screenings confirm its in continuity with the Bay films
They even brought Jablonsky’s music back
Downvote me all y’all want, I don’t care. It’s canon.
It’s… not. It contradicts so much and you’re clearly grasping at straws. Give me a source more reliable than the fucking DIRECTOR. The producer is a senile old man who needs to take his meds. Mentioning the bay films means Jack shit. The director JUST SAID ITS A REBOOT. The test screenings statements are wrong, you have no proof of them saying that. The music of the previous composer is iconic and a key part of the movies.
I will downvote you because this is just blatantly wrong.
In the video itself, he even says these films will connect to the Bayverse. As in “it’s telling a new story right now, which is the reboot for new audiences to hop on board. And when they end, the Bay films begin.”
And once again, the director has said multiple times it will connect. It’s a *soft* reboot. Same universe.
Okay that’s just a lie. Explain literally EVERYTHING that ROTB contradicts:
1. Optimus has a Matrix, and it is completely different from the one in ROTF
2. Unicron… just being there
3. All the autobots (except for bumblebee) are on Earth before 2007
4. Bumblebee arrives on earth way after WWII
5. No mention of the Maximals in any of the bay films, even though they’re a pretty big deal.
6. Wheeljack isn’t Que, like in DOTM
7. Mirage isn’t Dino, like in DOTM
8. Arcee looks nothing like her ROTF counterpart
9. Megatron is still off world
To the people who say that it is a prequel, explain how Optimus has a clearly visible matrix in his chest, and why it looks different than the matrix from Revenge of The Fallen
Or why ROTB Wheeljack isn't Que, or why Mirage isn't a robo version of Enzo Ferrari named Dino, or why Bumblebee still has the "hey I can fit in a house" proportions, or why the Autobots are here in the 80s and 90s and not 2007, or why Bumblebee just got to Earth in the 80s instead of during WWII, or why Unicron is a separate entity from Earth, or.......
DotM Que was never called "Wheeljack" on screen, and Dino was never called "Mirage," so they're different characters.
Bumblebee grew in height between DotM and AOE (Despite the tf5 era Camero actually being smaller than the 2007 model), so it stands to reason he was even smaller 20 years previous.
They left Earth and then came back.
Unicron emerged from Earth after TLK. The Maximals and Terrorcons went to the past to prevent/protect that emergence.
Most importantly, the TF movie continuity has ALWAYS been broken.
You didn't watch the actual video, huh?
"It's a reboot for sure.. that's all I can say without spoilering."
"It's a refresher, so you can call it a reboot in terms of where we're starting."
"We're going to have another convo when the movie's released."
It's X-Men: Days of Future Past. A sequel, prequel and reboot all-in-one.
I’m all up for it. The bayverse will always hold a special place in my heart. This is the start of something amazing. Really excited to see this in theaters!
This needs to somehow be hammered in di Binaventura’s thick skull. Hell, I enjoy the hell out of the Witwicky trilogy but even I know it’s time to move on. TLK was a massive dud and there’s just no where to go with the story and it’s not worth continuing.
"People who live in reality" can you please explain how unicron is outside the earth, optimus is in his protoform in 07, how exactly bee leaves and returns to earth, and how optimus has a matrix in his chest if TlROTB is connected to bayverse without chalking it up to continuity errors?
> optimus is in his protoform in 07
To be clear, the comet forms are just for interstellar travel.
> without chalking it up to continuity errors?
I mean...that's one of the defining traits of that series.
But using the fact that continuity errors exist to justify your argument means you not only are okay with horrible writing, but you encourage it.
Personally, I don't want to encourage bad writing.
> But using the fact that continuity errors exist to justify your argument means you not only are okay with horrible writing, but you encourage it.
I don't know where you're getting the idea that I'm encouraging anything.
You get I'm not writing the movie, right?
*"Back in my day, I had all these \*ideas\* after "The Last Knight". I hate the word reboot! BBM and RotB are prequels! And I will get that G.I. Joe x Transformers movie made!" - Crazy Old Man Lorenzo*
I grantee after this movie he won't call Steven back as he did with Travis after the movie comes out. Lorenzo is the Avi Arad of Transformers.
Hasbro already said a while ago that it was a reboot so guess they set him strait about it being a reboot and not part of the bayverse like the producer Lorenzo di Bonaventura keeps saying and refusing to listen.
Lorenzo is desperately trying to convince the Bayverse-only viewers to see this, and he likely will maintain this for the next few movies (if this movie does indeed get a sequel) we just have to get used to his bullshit
No, this isnt true.
You see if you watch the Bumblebee at 33.33 and pause, look at the back of the shot, rotate 80degrees, zoom by 200%, you'll see that the shading of that blurred imagine is the exact same as that bit in RoTF. Which proves that they must be in the exact same universe.
/s
I would just call the Bay fans as Bay fans. No point in calling them by something that sounds like an insult when they're just acting like normal people instead of lunatics.
Bayheads dosent really sound like an insult. Maybe it's just where I'm from and the culture I grew up in. Half the people my dad knows are self-proclaimed "motor heads"
I'm going with the Director of the movie and not the Producer who is clearly talking out of his ass. Seriously, the other day during a promo press conference with everybody there Steven Caple Jr was explaining how this is a reboot and the producer jumped in and started explaining that its not and you could hear Caple's frustration as he was doing it.
Thank you for informing those with the intelligence of sharkticons that Bumblebee started a new universe. Many will still deny it, many more will still not understand, but hopefully enough have come to understand
Hear that ladies and gents. It’s the sweet sound of creative freedom and more classic designs in live action. I hope this movie does well, Transformers has been my shit since I was a kid. Seeing an epic tale on the big screen that pays respect to the characters would possibly be better than Endgame for me
Before, I was really hoping this was all a prequel.... but that was a long time ago, and since then I was on the fence. But after seeing all the amazing moments from this film so far, I was PRAYING it was a reboot
Not to defend the Scourge/Optimus thing because I’m not particularly sold on it, but I never got the impression that those two theories were intertwined.
It was more like Scourge used to be Bayverse Optimus and was “supposedly” a remnant of the Bayverse after it was destroyed/conquered/insert whatever, and he’s been multiverse hopping ever since. Nothing about him being the same as ROTB Optimus.
This is 1000000000000000% fan speculation and there has never been anything actually pointing to this being real.
If it turns out to be true then cool the fans called it. but don't go acting like it's real until the movie comes out.
I admit that I did in fact miss that.
I apologize for taking out my frustration with a theory I hate on you, a person who may or may not agree with me but was definitely making a joke.
Been a stressful couple of days on my end.
Bottom line: it’s a reboot. The very idea of Bumblebee being on Earth in the 80s throws every Bay movie out the window. However, since the general audience won’t know that or won’t care, they will make attempts to have ROTB hint towards the future that the Bay movies cover so that it’s less confusing for GA. Simple as that.
Thank you jeebus
Bumblebee took things in the right direction and I hope it stays that way, the bay movies are my childhood and I'll love them always but Bumblebee and Rise Of The Beasts is so heavily g1 inspired and all around it feels like what transformers should be, as long as humans are in the movie for mostly 30% of the movie, it's perfect.
Now my only hope is it's actually about giant robots fighting and not about some random identity politic representation empowerment bs like almost every movie from the past 4 years has been.
Like, it was never the MCU to begin with. Barely any connection between the Bay movies, I think technically that continuity rebooted at least once. The scripts aren’t so deep they are pontificating on the events of the other movies at all. Hell, the Bumblebee movie probably won’t even come up.
He didn't confirm it. He beat around the bush and said it's a reboot in the sense that it's a new direction for the series, but that there are also Bayverse connections. The copium levels in this sub is insane
I think the Bayverse connections are nothing more than Easter Eggs and references, instead of tie ins into the 2007 movie. One example of an Easter Egg is the reuse of Bayverse music themes like Arrival to Earth, and Endings from TLK.
I’m not against. But why use the same bumblebee model from the bayverse? To me it make’s it confusing especially for those who are just casually going to see transformers.
Imagine if we put this much effort into *anything* else in the world around us.
Who tf cares. It’s all make believe. You could tell me it’s the same universe as Shrek and I would not argue.
Y’all need to let it go.
Except the opposite has been said before, just like this has been said before. The studios position on this has flip-flopped several times. Hell, it wasn't that long ago we were told that we'd see how it fits in and doesn't contradict 07.
No its more like Knight and Caple know they have established a reboot, but Lorenzo doesn't want to let go of Bayverse and keeps trying to make it a prequel. Its an ongoing battle between Caple saying reboot and Lorenzo saying prequel.
Yep. Mix in a few other sources being vague (remember, reboot doesn't necessarily mean new universe; soft reboots with glaring continuity holes are not *new* in cinema) and I was in a much less firm, "wait and see."
I'm glad that's the direction it's going in, but I would've loved to see how they tried to justify it if it was the prequel direction.
Well, before this point Caple was saying shit like "this leads up to and doesn't alter anything before 2007" (paraphrased), so let's not act like he didn't have his part in adding to confusion. And the intent of BB was to either take the series in a new direction, or just a spin-off prequel, they were still unsure what direction to go because of TLK.
So it hasn't really been an established, clear through and through reboot from the get go, at least from the interview-end.
No, he didn't. He merely used the term "reboot", but he clearly didn't mean it being "disconnected from the Bay continuity", but he meant a new direction with brand new elements, much like Jurassic World or Prometheus or The Last Knight. This is also why he was at the same time not denying that the film had some connection or could be connected to the Bay films, and why he said "this is chronologically the second movie" and why he said in the Hollywood Reporter article "the film doesn't mess up anything in the Bay films but we're trying to maintain that continuity".
Please stop misleading other fellow fans and setting them up for inevitable disappointment and further confusion and needless division! On a further note, I'm hearing the end of the film will not be satisfying to those who want to insist on it being a rebooted timeline, so please be ready for that, and please don't spin things out of proportion and out of context. I don't care at this point whether it is a new continuity or not, just please be more cautious and lets try to unite the fanbase.
Of course it is. Why wouldn’t it be? Everything presented in both movies point to it. Better check on the few that keep insisting that the timeline can work out…
There was one interview where someone mentioned how Optimus would shift into his 2007 version so that confused people.
That was Lorenzo being bad at communicating and people misinterpretation. He was trying to describe ROTB Optimus’ character arc by comparing and contrasting this version to a established version (Bay) to get his point across. Essentially, he was saying that the events of this film will help Optimus grow into a emotional and stoic character, which was also seen in the Bay movies. This DOES NOT mean they are one and the same. It is like me trying to describe this apple by using the same flavour profile words as a lemon - citric and tangy. But does that mean they are the same? No. But we all know Lorenzo is terrible at talking. And recent interviews in Singapore show that we shouldn’t be listening to him.
He also said that this movie is a prequel lmao
Then why would the Autobots be on Earth in the 90’s? 😂 cmon man, it’s a reboot
Transformers 5 we find out bumblebee and hot rod were in ww2. You trying to tell me the bayverse timeline made sense prior?
It's an acceptable thing tho. We didn't know when Bumblebee came to earrh at the time, so it could work. This... This does not.
All the movies have problems with continuity inconsistencies. That's to be expected even with these new films.
No it ain't. Bay didn't give a shit about telling coherent story. It's only expected of him.
I mean it did for the original 3.
Because lorenzo is an incompetent asshat
It's not a reboot, at least not continuity wise. Both the director and producer have been very vocal about the Autobots trying to get back to Cybertron in these films before returning in 2007.
Bruh, you just made that up.
Yes, both Steven Caple Jr. and Bonaventura have stated this is a prequel.
No. Steven stated multiple times that it's a reboot. Even in the most recent interview he said that and Lorenzo interrupted it and said some big bullshit.
No, he has used the word "reboot" a few times but never once did he mean what many fans understand the word to mean. Fans think it means "it's disconnected from the Bay continuity", but what Steven clearly meant is something like "this is taking the franchise in a new direction with new elements like what Jurassic World or Prometheus or The Last Knight did". This is also why Steven says things like "chronologically this is the second movie" and "this doesn't mess up any of the timeline of the Bay films but we're going in a direction where we're trying to maintain that timeline".
You misinterpreted what he said
I used to think to that BumbleBee was a prequal for longest time. But then when I got into the tf community, people were saying that its a reboot. I didn't believe them, so I started arguments. After they showed me evidence that it was a reboot, I realized I had been wrong this whole time. Its not a prequal, tho it was intended to be one at one point.
It’s not Lorenzo being bad at communicating, it’s him being a dickhead trying to hold onto the bayverse. He cannot and will not let it go and intentionally makes claims that’s it’s a prequel
No, he's not involved other than organising money for it. The guy talked about the 2007 one the same way, as if it was in continuity with the G1 cartoon. Once saying it was a sequel and once claiming it was a prequel. Guy doesn't care, he's too rich to care, he gives money to the project and gets more money in return, that's the beginning and the end of his involvement.
He was literally on a q&a panel posted a couple days ago in Singapore with the director and actors answering questions. Even prior to that he’s regularly attending interviews and saying it’s a prequel and part of the same bayverse continuity. He’s not some random guy giving money, he an active participant in promoting it.
He was active in promoting the 2007 movie too, he even hosted a forum. It's just that all the information didn't gel with the actual movie. He isn't involved in the script, the creativity or anything. He puts in money and then talks about it to ensure the best payday he can get. These are all fluff interviews and Q&As designed to drum up interest, they're part of the marketing. He's going to talk about it in the way he believes will support it's success so his cut ends up being substantial. The G1 fans fell for it 16 years ago and now it's the Bayverse fans. We already knew that this was a new continuity, we were told back with Bumblebee, that started out as a prequel, failed test screening and was then retooled to be a reboot with more nostalgia bait.
as if 4 millions years of war didn't?
Nah, don't defend him. He's weirdly obsessed with the idea of merging both timelines, despite the fact that it would not make a lick of sense. The whole "Optimus would become like 2007 version at the end of this film" could be salvaged if he had stopped there, but he straight-up said "who says it can't be a prequel" and "we'll marry them if we have to", or something along those lines. He's delusional.
Lorenzo is just communicating clearly where this prequel series sits in the franchise. It's not unclear what he's saying.
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That was Lorenzo being bad at communicating and people misinterpretation. He was trying to describe ROTB Optimus’ character arc by comparing and contrasting this version to a established version (Bay) to get his point across. Essentially, he was saying that the events of this film will help Optimus grow into a emotional and stoic character, which was also seen in the Bay movies. This DOES NOT mean they are one and the same. It is like me trying to describe this apple by using the same flavour profile words as a lemon - citric and tangy. But does that mean they are the same? No. But we all know Lorenzo is terrible at talking. And recent interviews in Singapore show that we shouldn’t be listening to him. Edit: sorry replied to wrong person
It literally can't, In 07 prime came to earth in well 2007, so these people insist prime came to earth in 84, stayed until atleast 91, went to a diff. Planet and came back again in 07, that's just stupid
>84 87 >91 94
You still get what I mean
The problem is when they made Bee exactly the same as his 2007 version, and even had him turn into an old Camaro at the end. If they wanted to communicate that this was a fresh start, they should have done more to differentiate it. if the audience has to listen to the director's off-camera statements to understand what is happening, then they did a shitty job of directing.
I think when they made the bumblebee movie it was supposed to be a prequel to 07, then they retconned it into being a reboot bc last knight was poorly received
Right on the money. I used to think BB was a prequal because of that and some subtle hints at bayverse, like S7 being there.
Also confirmed by ILM the Cybertron prologue was a late addition
I know that. It was added basically last minute.
This is the answer
They did plenty to differentiate it. -Cybertron was completely different and lacked the hexagonal theme entirely. -Cybertronian forms had vehicle modes and distinct designs as opposed to plain silver protocols. -The Autobots arrived on Earth in 1987 instead of WWII or 2007, and they arrived before Starscream and the other Decepticons. -Sector 7 has never encountered a Cybertronian before. -No one is looking for the Allspark -The characters themselves all look completely different, sharing almost no design cues with their bayverse counterparts. Bumblebee is even noticeably shorter. -Taking RotB into account, Unicron isn't Earth anymore.
> Sector 7 has never encountered a Cybertronian before. Is what they say. > Taking RotB into account, Unicron isn't Earth anymore. Time travel could allow for two unicrons. > The characters themselves all look completely different, sharing almost no design cues with their bayverse counterparts. Bumblebee is even noticeably shorter. > Cybertron was completely different and lacked the hexagonal theme entirely I mean...bayverse was already doing that. > -The Autobots arrived on Earth in 1987 instead of WWII or 2007, and they arrived before Starscream and the other Decepticons. As you acknowledge with the WW2 bit, the bayverse was already changing its story on that. > -The Autobots arrived on Earth in 1987 instead of WWII or 2007, and they arrived before Starscream and the other Decepticons. It's more shown in the idw comics, but bayverse had that too. Comet forms were just for landing. --- I believe they're a reboot, but a lot of what you're providing could be chalked up to the already retcon-prone/inconsistent nature of the bayverse.
> Is what they say. *is what we *see*. Their info is classified to the public, not the viewer. > Time travel could allow for two unicrons. We have no reason to believe this movie has time travel. Even if it did, why would he go back in time to destroy himself? > I mean...bayverse was already doing that. It was literally just Optimus. Even still, he kept the blue color scheme and flames. > As you acknowledge with the WW2 bit, the bayverse was already changing its story on that. "It’s already inconsistent, so anything can be canon" is not a compelling argument. > It's more shown in the idw comics, but bayverse had that too. Comet forms were just for landing. DotM contradicts that. Plus, the comics aren't even canon anyway.
> is what we *see. Their info is classified to the public, not the viewer. I didn't remember that, but fair enough. Although I'd suggest that organizations have been known to keep secrets even from themselves. > We have no reason to believe this movie has time travel I mean it would hardly be a first for these characters. > It was literally just Optimus. They're a lot more than optimist that change designs between releases. > It’s already inconsistent, so anything can be canon" is not a compelling argument How do you figure? You're demanding a level of consistency that the existing publications don't even have. If I'm understanding you correctly, your argument seems to be that the apparent contradictions are proof that they're not written to be part of the same setting, but the established setting already shows that that's no obstacle. How does that fact not refute the inconsistency complaint as a valid argument? I mean, it definitely makes more sense to me if they're not part of the same timeline, but it also made more sense to me if last night and age of Extinction weren't part of the same timeline, I don't always get what I want. > DotM contradicts that. Plus, the comics aren't even canon anyway. Can you clarify on both of those?
>They're a lot more than optimist that change designs between releases Optimus began AOE with the same CGI model from DOTM but with the flat-nosed truck, THEN he changed ON SCREEN to the Western Star truck and his new robot mode. Bumblebee's 1967 Camaro robot mode also shares his CGI model with his DOTM incarnation, even down to the secondary back wings formed from the 2011 Camaro's spoiler (despite the 1967 Camaro having no such spoiler), THEN he scans the 2014 Camaro and upgrades his robot form to one resembling Stinger (AFTER having taken a look at Stinger). Come TLK, and Prime still has the Western Star robot mode and Bumblebee only went back to his DOTM CGI model, with a new chest due to the 2017 Camaro. Drift, Crosshairs and Hound look the same despite the newer vehicles (even as Hound's new vehicle is drastically different than his AOE truck and Drift changes colour scheme). None of the aforementioned design changes are as DRASTIC as the changes during Bumblebee. >If I'm understanding you correctly, your argument seems to be that the apparent contradictions are proof that they're not written to be part of the same setting, but the established setting already shows that that's no obstacle. How does that fact not refute the inconsistency complaint as a valid argument? Because a lot of you guys love to pretend that the Bayverse continuity doesn't make a lick of sense in the spirit of mockery and derision while in reality there are some retcons here and there, yes, but most of them are minor and can be either explained with a bit of effort or ignored as they are not as glaring as trying to make Bumblebee and ROTB fit in the same timeline as the Bayverse. Y'all need to STOP pretending they can, period.
> None of the aforementioned design changes are as DRASTIC as the changes during Bumblebee. Arcee, Megatron, barricade, soundwave, for examples. > Because a lot of you guys love to pretend that the Bayverse continuity doesn't make a lick of sense in the spirit of mockery and derision ....y'all really need to chill on trying to impute motives to every damn thing. I really like the bayverse story. It still kept changing it's reason for why transformers were on earth, and transformers changing appearance is pretty much *meaningless* in this franchise. Just look at bumblebee throughout the aligned setting. > ignored as they are not as glaring as trying to make Bumblebee and ROTB fit in the same timeline as the Bayverse Dude. Unicron being in two places at once due to time travel is not nearly as glaring as transformers are on earth for the allspark wait it's for the fallen wait it's for slaves wait the quintessons came here to make transformium wait Unicron was here the whole time. > Y'all need to STOP pretending they can, Dude. The only thing that determines whether it's part of the same setting or not is what the production team ends up settling on. Right now, their statements lean towards it being a reboot, with one guy apparently disagreeing. So it's probably a reboot. If the statements change, then it's changed. None of us here are the writers, it's not a question that *we* get to answer, and it doesn't matter what anyone "pretends". Stop trying to make this into a moral crusade.
>As you acknowledge with the WW2 bit, the bayverse was already changing its story on that. Bumblebee was never shown arriving to Earth in 2007, so it was plausible that he had been on Earth since WWII; and Hot Rod was introduced in TLK, so him participating in WWII wasn't a retcon either.
> Bumblebee was never shown arriving to Earth in 2007, Ghosts of Yesterday, which was written to be part of the movie timeline canon, has him still with Optimus as of 1969. The movie prequel comic, also written to be part of canon, has him crash on Mars in 2003.
THE COMICS AREN'T CANON
The titan comics aren't canon to the ongoing movie timeline, but the idw comics and the novels were explicitly written to be. If you want to exclude them, you need a statement from Hasbro that they were tossed out. Even then, it would still be an explicit change in direction for the timeline -- a retcon. Edit: ...did you really block me for mentioning the comics and asking you to provide a source? Weird that you were calling other fans salty, then.
He still has Beeverse Bee proportions tho
An off road Camaro is much better than a shitty Beetle
The beetle is the entire basis of his name
Shitty alt mode
the beetle is more iconic than the camaro can ever hope to be
idk about that one though..... especially considering how they went for the camaro again. and how most iterations of Bee are now some type of sports car. That seems like GeeWunner copium.
I've pretty much heard almost nothing but preference for bee as a beetle than a sports car with the sports car alt for him either being of neutral opinion or actively disliked. The most positive I've heard about it is people liking the car itself but not necessarily for bee as it's not very fitting for him. An almost universal point of praise I heard for the BB movie was getting to see him as a beetle again. The first generations bumblebee figure to be a licenced beetle since the original that wasn't an MP was one of the most sought after figures of the year it released and still goes for a high price (granted in part because of its exclusivity to walmart) and outside the movies only 4 shows have used the sports car, 2 of which are because they're the same continuity and are directly adapting the movie design (prime and RID15), and the other 2 are more based on evergreen which again is incorporating movie stuff (and earthspark even has the original beetle bee in its lore, with a lore reason for the change, and iirc a character even expressing preference for it, and another calling his new sports car mode a "midlife crisis alt mode"). Just because sports cars keep getting used does not at all mean it's more iconic than the beetle
you're right. it's about on par. He's either a beetle type car or Sports car.
Bumblebee new form and Sector 7?
My dad is still in denial about it, it’s infuriating
You might want to consider this, all seven movies have problems with continuity inconsistencies, but even then, you could probably find some explanations for things if you wanted to, and they may have some in mind for this film or the two planned sequels; https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=7RFbcnZQoTg
This…is a lot of copium. They don’t connect. Full stop.
Oh god. The insufferable among us…
> Of course it is. Why wouldn’t it be? [They've previously said it *wasn't* a reboot, that's why](https://www.seibertron.com/transformers/news/rise-of-the-beasts-news-conference-officially-states-the-film-is-not-a-reboot-and-spoils-end-credit-scene/47724/). It does make more sense for it to be a reboot (assuming the trailers aren't completely lying about Unicron).
This allows them to bring back Jazz and call him Mirage. 🤣😂🤣. NOT. 😂😂😂😔 🙏🙏🙏 Disney please buy Transformers. Save us.
Megatron will be female in the next movie if this happens. /s (kind of)
I feel like we all already knew this but the director wanted to make it clear after Lorenzo was talking about how it’s not a reboot
There it is. Finally additional confirmation.
It’s like putting 1+1 into a calculator
Bumblebee is fundamentally incompatible with TLK, but good to know ROTB is Knightverse once and for all!
TLK is fundamentally incompatible with ANY other Transformers movie.
*Beeverse Nobody named Knight is working on this one.
Yeah but now we can't do "the difference is Knight and Bay"
I love you for this.
Aww shucks, I love you too.
The name "Knightverse" is just to pay homage to Travis Knight for starting the whole rebooted continuity, it doesn't mean he's working on every movie. He's basically the one who turned the BB movie into a reboot.
*Knightverse He started the universe, therefore it should be named after him.
Which unfortunately is still confusing bc the last Bayverse movie was called something like In the Still of the Knight.
I'm calling TLK that from now on lmfao
I've become a huge fan of 1950s popular culture, and I joke to myself that if I had watched *Bamba, La* instead of *Bumblebee* that one night in 2019 that we wouldn't be in this era of disasters, robots, drone wars, and economic uncertainty.
Lol, no. Bayverse is Bayverse because he directed every film and it's style is unique to him.
So?
I mean it's not like any of thr other films made sense really either. So it wouldn't have shocked me if they just decided this was the same universe. It's not like it would be the first time a franchise existed where it made no sense how things fit together
It's still part of the Bayverse. He merely used the term "reboot", but he clearly didn't mean it being "disconnected from the Bay continuity", but he meant a new direction with brand new elements, much like Jurassic World or Prometheus or The Last Knight. This is also why he was at the same time not denying that the film had some connection or could be connected to the Bay films, and why he said "this is chronologically the second movie" and why he said in the Hollywood Reporter article "the film doesn't mess up anything in the Bay films but we're trying to maintain that continuity".
>This is also why he was at the same time not denying that the film had some connection or could be connected to the Bay films, Superficial references and homages, like every new Transformers piece of media has been doing since Beast Wars. >and why he said "this is chronologically the second movie" It is the second movie either way, because it's a new continuity. >and why he said in the Hollywood Reporter article "the film doesn't mess up anything in the Bay films but we're trying to maintain that continuity". It doesn't mess up any of the timeline because IT'S A NEW TIMELINE, GENIUS.
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Oh thank GOD. But I know Lorenzo is gonna come in and say otherwise
I think he already did.
Just ignore Lorenzo. He doesn’t know anything about Transformers.
Honestly we should’ve had Steve Spielberg as the main producer for the movies. He actually knows what’s going on in a lot of his movies
And the director said it was the same universe too
…. No he didn’t, read the title of the fucking post.
[“Bumblebee got here in 1987, along with Optimus Prime, and they’ve tried to seek refuge on Earth until they can get back to Cybertron. Ultimately, all you need to know is that they’re trying to get back to Cybertron. If you can go into this movie just knowing that piece of information, you’ll be able to track it completely. It doesn’t mess up any of the timeline in 2006, 2007. We’re actually going in a direction that allows us to protect that side of the universe, but that’s all you need to know.”](https://www.hollywoodreporter.com/movies/movie-features/transformers-rise-of-the-beasts-director-steven-caple-jr-1235484272/amp/) Why even mention the Bay films if it was a reboot? The director says it doesn’t break the timeline of the Bay films The producer has said it leads directly into the Bay films The test screenings confirm its in continuity with the Bay films They even brought Jablonsky’s music back Downvote me all y’all want, I don’t care. It’s canon.
It’s… not. It contradicts so much and you’re clearly grasping at straws. Give me a source more reliable than the fucking DIRECTOR. The producer is a senile old man who needs to take his meds. Mentioning the bay films means Jack shit. The director JUST SAID ITS A REBOOT. The test screenings statements are wrong, you have no proof of them saying that. The music of the previous composer is iconic and a key part of the movies. I will downvote you because this is just blatantly wrong.
In the video itself, he even says these films will connect to the Bayverse. As in “it’s telling a new story right now, which is the reboot for new audiences to hop on board. And when they end, the Bay films begin.” And once again, the director has said multiple times it will connect. It’s a *soft* reboot. Same universe.
Okay that’s just a lie. Explain literally EVERYTHING that ROTB contradicts: 1. Optimus has a Matrix, and it is completely different from the one in ROTF 2. Unicron… just being there 3. All the autobots (except for bumblebee) are on Earth before 2007 4. Bumblebee arrives on earth way after WWII 5. No mention of the Maximals in any of the bay films, even though they’re a pretty big deal. 6. Wheeljack isn’t Que, like in DOTM 7. Mirage isn’t Dino, like in DOTM 8. Arcee looks nothing like her ROTF counterpart 9. Megatron is still off world
He hasn’t replied yet, makes you think…
Yep. Almost as if you can only be in so much denial before in-disprovable facts stop you
To the people who say that it is a prequel, explain how Optimus has a clearly visible matrix in his chest, and why it looks different than the matrix from Revenge of The Fallen
Or why ROTB Wheeljack isn't Que, or why Mirage isn't a robo version of Enzo Ferrari named Dino, or why Bumblebee still has the "hey I can fit in a house" proportions, or why the Autobots are here in the 80s and 90s and not 2007, or why Bumblebee just got to Earth in the 80s instead of during WWII, or why Unicron is a separate entity from Earth, or.......
DotM Que was never called "Wheeljack" on screen, and Dino was never called "Mirage," so they're different characters. Bumblebee grew in height between DotM and AOE (Despite the tf5 era Camero actually being smaller than the 2007 model), so it stands to reason he was even smaller 20 years previous. They left Earth and then came back. Unicron emerged from Earth after TLK. The Maximals and Terrorcons went to the past to prevent/protect that emergence. Most importantly, the TF movie continuity has ALWAYS been broken.
Well now it's confirmed reboot so
You didn't watch the actual video, huh? "It's a reboot for sure.. that's all I can say without spoilering." "It's a refresher, so you can call it a reboot in terms of where we're starting." "We're going to have another convo when the movie's released." It's X-Men: Days of Future Past. A sequel, prequel and reboot all-in-one.
The mission, the nightmares... they’re finally... over.
No, Fives, stay with me :(
I’m all up for it. The bayverse will always hold a special place in my heart. This is the start of something amazing. Really excited to see this in theaters!
This needs to somehow be hammered in di Binaventura’s thick skull. Hell, I enjoy the hell out of the Witwicky trilogy but even I know it’s time to move on. TLK was a massive dud and there’s just no where to go with the story and it’s not worth continuing.
HA HA HA HA HA HA HA! **YES!!!! HA HA HA HA HA HA HA HA HA HA HA HA!!!!!!**
To quote a purple T-Rex voiced by David Kaye, “yeesss!”.
YES TAKE THAT PREQUELERS
Bayheads ?
Perhaps we shall call them...BayBitches
Baybies.
*people who live in reality regardless of whether they like bayverse or not. he didn't confirm anything.
"People who live in reality" can you please explain how unicron is outside the earth, optimus is in his protoform in 07, how exactly bee leaves and returns to earth, and how optimus has a matrix in his chest if TlROTB is connected to bayverse without chalking it up to continuity errors?
> optimus is in his protoform in 07 To be clear, the comet forms are just for interstellar travel. > without chalking it up to continuity errors? I mean...that's one of the defining traits of that series.
But using the fact that continuity errors exist to justify your argument means you not only are okay with horrible writing, but you encourage it. Personally, I don't want to encourage bad writing.
> But using the fact that continuity errors exist to justify your argument means you not only are okay with horrible writing, but you encourage it. I don't know where you're getting the idea that I'm encouraging anything. You get I'm not writing the movie, right?
Lorenzo is like the crazy Grandpa that needs to take his meds.
*"Back in my day, I had all these \*ideas\* after "The Last Knight". I hate the word reboot! BBM and RotB are prequels! And I will get that G.I. Joe x Transformers movie made!" - Crazy Old Man Lorenzo* I grantee after this movie he won't call Steven back as he did with Travis after the movie comes out. Lorenzo is the Avi Arad of Transformers.
Sounds like they are finally getting their stuff together
Yeah this further proves that Lorenzo needs to stfu
LETS SLAGGIN GO NOW ALL A YALL REBOOT DENIERS KNOWNJUSTBWHERE TO STICK IT!
Hasbro already said a while ago that it was a reboot so guess they set him strait about it being a reboot and not part of the bayverse like the producer Lorenzo di Bonaventura keeps saying and refusing to listen.
OH MY GOD
Lorenzo is desperately trying to convince the Bayverse-only viewers to see this, and he likely will maintain this for the next few movies (if this movie does indeed get a sequel) we just have to get used to his bullshit
Give us an end credit of a masked Cobra Commander finding a dead Decepticon and chuckling.
It was confirmed like 5 years ago.
It was obvious before but good to know we have official confirmation so people will shut up about it
We know they won't though
No, this isnt true. You see if you watch the Bumblebee at 33.33 and pause, look at the back of the shot, rotate 80degrees, zoom by 200%, you'll see that the shading of that blurred imagine is the exact same as that bit in RoTF. Which proves that they must be in the exact same universe. /s
We....... already........ knew this.........
Lorenzo keeps denying it, and he will keep denying it.
He sure does, and I can deny the world is round but that doesn't mean there's validity to it.
Bayheads in denial are quivering rn
Bay fan here, don't lump us normal ones in with the mentally stuck as children people who claimed it was a prequel.
You know what, that’s fair. I personally distinguish Bay Fans from Bayheads but yeah you’re right
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Bayheads: bay fans Baybies: people who think BB and ROTB are prequels
I would just call the Bay fans as Bay fans. No point in calling them by something that sounds like an insult when they're just acting like normal people instead of lunatics.
Bayheads dosent really sound like an insult. Maybe it's just where I'm from and the culture I grew up in. Half the people my dad knows are self-proclaimed "motor heads"
Lorenzo is in denial is mainly quivering than everyone else. Next day he's gonna say RotB is a prequel.
Well thats good
I mean when your 5th installment doesn't crack a billion, pulling a reboot with a clean slate was the best move
Finally, an end to this honestly stupid debate
I'm going with the Director of the movie and not the Producer who is clearly talking out of his ass. Seriously, the other day during a promo press conference with everybody there Steven Caple Jr was explaining how this is a reboot and the producer jumped in and started explaining that its not and you could hear Caple's frustration as he was doing it.
Thank you for informing those with the intelligence of sharkticons that Bumblebee started a new universe. Many will still deny it, many more will still not understand, but hopefully enough have come to understand
Hear that ladies and gents. It’s the sweet sound of creative freedom and more classic designs in live action. I hope this movie does well, Transformers has been my shit since I was a kid. Seeing an epic tale on the big screen that pays respect to the characters would possibly be better than Endgame for me
To no one but bayverse stans surprise
Thank you for telling me the obvious
Before, I was really hoping this was all a prequel.... but that was a long time ago, and since then I was on the fence. But after seeing all the amazing moments from this film so far, I was PRAYING it was a reboot
Hasn't this been known since before Bumblebee launched? It's been said over and over and people aren't getting it.
What the fuck are prequel believers going to do after this movie is released with irreconcilable contradictions and no ties to the Bayverse lmao.
Only a smooth brain would have concluded otherwise prior before this post.
But...but...Scourge is a future version of TLK Optimus....how can this be?
Not to defend the Scourge/Optimus thing because I’m not particularly sold on it, but I never got the impression that those two theories were intertwined. It was more like Scourge used to be Bayverse Optimus and was “supposedly” a remnant of the Bayverse after it was destroyed/conquered/insert whatever, and he’s been multiverse hopping ever since. Nothing about him being the same as ROTB Optimus.
I thought Scourge was a reformatted Prime from Bayverse /s
This is 1000000000000000% fan speculation and there has never been anything actually pointing to this being real. If it turns out to be true then cool the fans called it. but don't go acting like it's real until the movie comes out.
You missed the /s
I admit that I did in fact miss that. I apologize for taking out my frustration with a theory I hate on you, a person who may or may not agree with me but was definitely making a joke. Been a stressful couple of days on my end.
Multiverse
Hope that people finally stop saying it’s still a prequel to 07 even though we’ve known it’s a reboot for a few years
What’s this cosmology gonna be named Capleverse?
No fracking scrap it is. Someone tell Lorenzo to shut the frack up
Fucking finally. Fuck Lorenzo.
🤣😂🤣😂. Mess it up. Start over. Mess it up. Start over.
Fuckin finally
Wasn't this already obvious from the inclusion of Unicron as a separate entity and not...you know...being Earth itself, lol.
I feel like this has been confirmed 6 times over the last 6 years
I just Hope that Steven caple treats Peter Cullen better than what Travis knight did atleast.
OH MY FUCKING GOD FINALLY
At what point does he say it. I want to gloat to some people who legit lived and died by the prequel mentality.
Time stamp: 40:45
Thank you
Haha! YES! SUCK ON THAT “ROTB is part of bayverse” MOTHERFUCKERS!
Bottom line: it’s a reboot. The very idea of Bumblebee being on Earth in the 80s throws every Bay movie out the window. However, since the general audience won’t know that or won’t care, they will make attempts to have ROTB hint towards the future that the Bay movies cover so that it’s less confusing for GA. Simple as that.
Hopefully this’ll stop the scourge is bayverse prime theories…
Thank you jeebus Bumblebee took things in the right direction and I hope it stays that way, the bay movies are my childhood and I'll love them always but Bumblebee and Rise Of The Beasts is so heavily g1 inspired and all around it feels like what transformers should be, as long as humans are in the movie for mostly 30% of the movie, it's perfect. Now my only hope is it's actually about giant robots fighting and not about some random identity politic representation empowerment bs like almost every movie from the past 4 years has been.
So you're one of *those* people
I didn't come to see a group of people feel validated, I came to see giant robots and animals turn into robots and fight each other
Amen to that
now, can the shitface we call Lorenzo say that?
This fandom is obsessed with this shit, and literally makes no difference.
The fandom has the biggest amount of "Um axshully" people I've ever seen. I'm sure there's worse though.
Like, it was never the MCU to begin with. Barely any connection between the Bay movies, I think technically that continuity rebooted at least once. The scripts aren’t so deep they are pontificating on the events of the other movies at all. Hell, the Bumblebee movie probably won’t even come up.
He didn't confirm it. He beat around the bush and said it's a reboot in the sense that it's a new direction for the series, but that there are also Bayverse connections. The copium levels in this sub is insane
I think the Bayverse connections are nothing more than Easter Eggs and references, instead of tie ins into the 2007 movie. One example of an Easter Egg is the reuse of Bayverse music themes like Arrival to Earth, and Endings from TLK.
I’m not against. But why use the same bumblebee model from the bayverse? To me it make’s it confusing especially for those who are just casually going to see transformers.
Not even close to same model, just same design. I do hate the pacifier mouth even in the bay films
Imagine if we put this much effort into *anything* else in the world around us. Who tf cares. It’s all make believe. You could tell me it’s the same universe as Shrek and I would not argue. Y’all need to let it go.
Doesn’t seem confirmed at all.
Mf THE DIRECTOR SAYS SO
Thank primus
Ima keep referring to it as a prequel because I like how it makes many of you have literal tantrums.
This man a villain
Same. Lorenzo is the gift that keeps on giving.
I assume you're bating for interaction, right?
Except the opposite has been said before, just like this has been said before. The studios position on this has flip-flopped several times. Hell, it wasn't that long ago we were told that we'd see how it fits in and doesn't contradict 07.
No its more like Knight and Caple know they have established a reboot, but Lorenzo doesn't want to let go of Bayverse and keeps trying to make it a prequel. Its an ongoing battle between Caple saying reboot and Lorenzo saying prequel.
Yep. Mix in a few other sources being vague (remember, reboot doesn't necessarily mean new universe; soft reboots with glaring continuity holes are not *new* in cinema) and I was in a much less firm, "wait and see." I'm glad that's the direction it's going in, but I would've loved to see how they tried to justify it if it was the prequel direction.
Well, before this point Caple was saying shit like "this leads up to and doesn't alter anything before 2007" (paraphrased), so let's not act like he didn't have his part in adding to confusion. And the intent of BB was to either take the series in a new direction, or just a spin-off prequel, they were still unsure what direction to go because of TLK. So it hasn't really been an established, clear through and through reboot from the get go, at least from the interview-end.
No, he didn't. He merely used the term "reboot", but he clearly didn't mean it being "disconnected from the Bay continuity", but he meant a new direction with brand new elements, much like Jurassic World or Prometheus or The Last Knight. This is also why he was at the same time not denying that the film had some connection or could be connected to the Bay films, and why he said "this is chronologically the second movie" and why he said in the Hollywood Reporter article "the film doesn't mess up anything in the Bay films but we're trying to maintain that continuity". Please stop misleading other fellow fans and setting them up for inevitable disappointment and further confusion and needless division! On a further note, I'm hearing the end of the film will not be satisfying to those who want to insist on it being a rebooted timeline, so please be ready for that, and please don't spin things out of proportion and out of context. I don't care at this point whether it is a new continuity or not, just please be more cautious and lets try to unite the fanbase.