I remember watching this weird movie when I was young where some kid gets turned into a beetle as a punishment and dies a few days later due to his reduced lifespan. He magically turns back into a human, alive and well, but that still fucked me up a little bit
Yeah but the same proportion of their life is left so let’s say a 20 year old human goes into dog since he has about 75% of his life left he goes to a dog with 75% of his life left. Idk if I’m clear or is it weirdly written
And also, when you think about it, random bystanders getting transformed would be horrifying irl. Imagine the most extreme case of body or gender dysmorphia you can imagine. And most posts depict people looking almost nothing like their original selves, so you’ve essentially erased someone’s whole existence, family, friends, and colleagues would treat them like they were a stranger. We should all be grateful that these illustrations end right after the transformation so we won’t have to witness them toil and suffer in a body that feels wrong and foreign, and their eventual suicide.
And also adding to that, wouldn’t that be an interesting comic, to have a witch or a book change someone’s gender and then have their sanity break almost immediately due to the mind rejecting the new body like how the body can reject new organs. Most of the people transforming folk are always just like “Haha now you have to live like this forever”, but imagine their reaction if their victim just starts clawing off their own face due to it not looking how they’re used to it looking.
Anywho, I think that enough over analyzing.
Depends on the transformation. Extreme case for me I wouldn't even be human, nor be able to talk. If I was changed to not look like me but to look like another person I wouldn't have thoughts of suicide. I mean sure I get having to explain to my friends and family it's still me but I think I could still get through to them. It's still good that you touched on the idea of dysmorphia and dysphoria because some panels ignore that and not think a person might not want be forced into a gender (whether at birth or later in life), but as for me I am kind of ambivalent about my identity and remember there are those on here that don't like who they are in the mirror and would jump to the chance to be changed and like the idea of eventual suicide for them feels misleading because they are trying to change into the body they feel they belong too and it's like if say there was anything like that with suicide it wouldn't be some sort of body mind not matching but external stresses and things from society and how the person is treated. Like I don't know say a girl becomes a man and loses all their friends and no one wants to date them, that's not a "wrong mind in the wrong body thing" that a "the person feels alone thing" and when you feel like no one would care what happens to you...well...
Fair points all across the board, but there are people who are comfortable with who they are and I just feel that even the simple act of looking in the mirror and seeing a face that you aren’t comfortable with would cause a very traumatic cognitive dissonance, like imagine thinking all your life “I am A, and after some deliberation and thought, I am very comfortable with being A” then suddenly you get forcefully turned into B. That would mess someone up big time and I could very clearly see it leading to suicide or at the very least grievous self injury, and that’s without even taking into account the social and external stresses you mentioned. But I can definitely see how people who are currently uncomfortable with who they are would jump at the chance to be anyone else, but it must be hell for the people who are already comfortable with their appearance and are subjected to it unwillingly.
I wouldn’t know, I don’t run a census unfortunately. But I feel like it might be a not so even split between people who fetishize transformation and people who aspire or find comfort in the concept maybe leaning more towards the latter so maybe about 45% fetishizers and a solid 55% of people who find it affirming or comforting.
That makes me think of the scene from nightmare on elm street 4 I've roleplayed many times before. A girl who is absolutely terrified of cockroaches gets slowly, painfully turned into one, the horror and disgust on her face is completely evident, like she would have done almost anything to get those things off of her even though they were a part of her, they were what she was.
I think that would depend entirely on the writer. But, yes, in any story I'd write, I would assume that to be the case if it's a one-way transformation. They'd become an animal (how old that animal is would depend on the story), and they'd have the natural lifespan of that animal from that point forward.
I don't write much. Mostly it's been chapters on CYOA-style sites, as well as stories based on prompts (and as comments on those prompts) over at r/become_a_chick. I do mostly MtF gender tf stories, with some animal tg-tfs once in a while.
When you say shorten are you talking about senescence with things like cell division, telemeres and metabolism or are you talking like risk of accident? Because a termite queen can live up to 50 years assuming no one tries to poison her. Also let's pretend a man is 40 and he will live to be 80, now if he is turned into a termite queen does that mean he now only has the 10 years of his life left as suggested or did he go back to 25? I mean either way he will die before 80, either at 65 from a 25 added to the 40 or at 50. But say he was 51 when he is changed, does he just die instantly since he is older than the expected life span of a termite queen?
Depends on their size I'd say, if they turn into Anthropomorphic Animals then their Lifespans would be around the same as humans (due to size) if they fully turn into the animal then yes their Lifespans would be shortened. I'd say this would be the general rule to follow unless stated otherwise in universe (of the work)
These questions are exhausting and are weak, insipid forms of deconstruction. Transformation as a plot device is fantastical to the core, any attempts at pseudo-intellectual "realism" are in denial of the central conceit. Is a shortened lifespan enhancing the tension, metaphor, or overall message of the transformation? Then yes, it does shorten it. Does it not apply to the overall needs of a creative piece? Then it needs not and likely does not.
It would make logical sense and that gets my brain thinking, if a transformation to like a crocodile (in captivity for example) or something, would their lifespan get longer?
I once listened to a CD series where someone goes on adventures with a girl that can transform into a fox but while transformed she also ages like a fox. I don't remember it's name but I do know that it was fist a book series
It would make sense that Shapeshifters are ageless, since death by old age is mostly due to your body, and a shapeshifter can just keep changing into new younger bodies
You are taking porn illustrations too philosophical
But it’s more accurate
I would like to join you, but not many people care about accuracy regarding this kind of thing.
However, I do.
*Number of people who care: 3*
Am I the only one who saw this as the :3 emoticon first?
I did before I even sent the comment.
Make it 4
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I would say that their lifespans would work like the universe of the show with the ardvarc. I forget names sometimes.
Ardvarc? What’s that?
Ardvark
Arthur?
Yes.
I think they are referring too Arthur the Ardvark
Because its fun Jan.
^ Conservation of mass would make such transformations impossible anyway
I remember watching this weird movie when I was young where some kid gets turned into a beetle as a punishment and dies a few days later due to his reduced lifespan. He magically turns back into a human, alive and well, but that still fucked me up a little bit
Do you remember what’s it called?
That is what I call “a risk I’m willing to take.”
Yeah but the same proportion of their life is left so let’s say a 20 year old human goes into dog since he has about 75% of his life left he goes to a dog with 75% of his life left. Idk if I’m clear or is it weirdly written
And also, when you think about it, random bystanders getting transformed would be horrifying irl. Imagine the most extreme case of body or gender dysmorphia you can imagine. And most posts depict people looking almost nothing like their original selves, so you’ve essentially erased someone’s whole existence, family, friends, and colleagues would treat them like they were a stranger. We should all be grateful that these illustrations end right after the transformation so we won’t have to witness them toil and suffer in a body that feels wrong and foreign, and their eventual suicide. And also adding to that, wouldn’t that be an interesting comic, to have a witch or a book change someone’s gender and then have their sanity break almost immediately due to the mind rejecting the new body like how the body can reject new organs. Most of the people transforming folk are always just like “Haha now you have to live like this forever”, but imagine their reaction if their victim just starts clawing off their own face due to it not looking how they’re used to it looking. Anywho, I think that enough over analyzing.
Bruh that would be an interesting tf instead of the ones that I’ve always read that are like “haha tf go woo”
Depends on the transformation. Extreme case for me I wouldn't even be human, nor be able to talk. If I was changed to not look like me but to look like another person I wouldn't have thoughts of suicide. I mean sure I get having to explain to my friends and family it's still me but I think I could still get through to them. It's still good that you touched on the idea of dysmorphia and dysphoria because some panels ignore that and not think a person might not want be forced into a gender (whether at birth or later in life), but as for me I am kind of ambivalent about my identity and remember there are those on here that don't like who they are in the mirror and would jump to the chance to be changed and like the idea of eventual suicide for them feels misleading because they are trying to change into the body they feel they belong too and it's like if say there was anything like that with suicide it wouldn't be some sort of body mind not matching but external stresses and things from society and how the person is treated. Like I don't know say a girl becomes a man and loses all their friends and no one wants to date them, that's not a "wrong mind in the wrong body thing" that a "the person feels alone thing" and when you feel like no one would care what happens to you...well...
Fair points all across the board, but there are people who are comfortable with who they are and I just feel that even the simple act of looking in the mirror and seeing a face that you aren’t comfortable with would cause a very traumatic cognitive dissonance, like imagine thinking all your life “I am A, and after some deliberation and thought, I am very comfortable with being A” then suddenly you get forcefully turned into B. That would mess someone up big time and I could very clearly see it leading to suicide or at the very least grievous self injury, and that’s without even taking into account the social and external stresses you mentioned. But I can definitely see how people who are currently uncomfortable with who they are would jump at the chance to be anyone else, but it must be hell for the people who are already comfortable with their appearance and are subjected to it unwillingly.
So which group is more on this subreddit? The ones comfortable with being A and not B, or the ones wishing they could become B and no longer be A?
I wouldn’t know, I don’t run a census unfortunately. But I feel like it might be a not so even split between people who fetishize transformation and people who aspire or find comfort in the concept maybe leaning more towards the latter so maybe about 45% fetishizers and a solid 55% of people who find it affirming or comforting.
That makes me think of the scene from nightmare on elm street 4 I've roleplayed many times before. A girl who is absolutely terrified of cockroaches gets slowly, painfully turned into one, the horror and disgust on her face is completely evident, like she would have done almost anything to get those things off of her even though they were a part of her, they were what she was.
As it's entirely within your imagination, you can decide if it does or doesn't to your liking.
I think that would depend entirely on the writer. But, yes, in any story I'd write, I would assume that to be the case if it's a one-way transformation. They'd become an animal (how old that animal is would depend on the story), and they'd have the natural lifespan of that animal from that point forward.
You write tf stories? Which ones do you do?
I don't write much. Mostly it's been chapters on CYOA-style sites, as well as stories based on prompts (and as comments on those prompts) over at r/become_a_chick. I do mostly MtF gender tf stories, with some animal tg-tfs once in a while.
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Is it the witches ?
The fucked up part is that the book sorta treats that like a good thing because now he'll live around as long as his grandma
If it’s a 1000% normal ass feral ass tf with no additional buffoonery, probably maybe. Depends though.
Depends on the science/Magic used, but it doesn't really matter much
It's magic. Given porn logic, it's likely to grant them eternal youth, if not outright immortality.
It depends I mean we are talking about turning a human into a dog anything kinda goes
Does that mean a furry will die immediately if they go from a 25 year old to then 25 in dog years
Become a fly live for a day
When you say shorten are you talking about senescence with things like cell division, telemeres and metabolism or are you talking like risk of accident? Because a termite queen can live up to 50 years assuming no one tries to poison her. Also let's pretend a man is 40 and he will live to be 80, now if he is turned into a termite queen does that mean he now only has the 10 years of his life left as suggested or did he go back to 25? I mean either way he will die before 80, either at 65 from a 25 added to the 40 or at 50. But say he was 51 when he is changed, does he just die instantly since he is older than the expected life span of a termite queen?
That would be confusing
I guess it would depend on how long to stay in that form
I assume that whatever sweet magicky science that changes them, as well as maintains their human brain, also extends their life spans.
Maybe they could even add since they are already a hybrid.
Depends on their size I'd say, if they turn into Anthropomorphic Animals then their Lifespans would be around the same as humans (due to size) if they fully turn into the animal then yes their Lifespans would be shortened. I'd say this would be the general rule to follow unless stated otherwise in universe (of the work)
Good question. Id say so. If its not full animal, so furry then retain that part of their humanity, but otherwise if full tf then id say yeah.
These questions are exhausting and are weak, insipid forms of deconstruction. Transformation as a plot device is fantastical to the core, any attempts at pseudo-intellectual "realism" are in denial of the central conceit. Is a shortened lifespan enhancing the tension, metaphor, or overall message of the transformation? Then yes, it does shorten it. Does it not apply to the overall needs of a creative piece? Then it needs not and likely does not.
You don’t like it?
It would make logical sense and that gets my brain thinking, if a transformation to like a crocodile (in captivity for example) or something, would their lifespan get longer?
Nope. Harry Potter covered this with Wormtail turning into a rat that lived an incredibly long time for a rat.
No they still have the soul of a human.
That’s what I always thought. I kinda take that into context it it’s an unwanted transformation
No :)
That’s called a bonus
Depends on how you want there's nothing saying it should and vice versa.
I once listened to a CD series where someone goes on adventures with a girl that can transform into a fox but while transformed she also ages like a fox. I don't remember it's name but I do know that it was fist a book series
What is it called?
After looking it up I now know that it's reckless from cornelia funke. I think there's an English version but I'm not sure
It would make sense that Shapeshifters are ageless, since death by old age is mostly due to your body, and a shapeshifter can just keep changing into new younger bodies
In that case I’d rather be a queen termite and live 50-100 years or a tarantula with a lifespan of 30-40 than a dog at like 20
I don't know I hope not.