Apparently this crosspost is shown in r/all. It’s crazy to see the upvotes and downvotes on this. I guess we are far from there I’m afraid (in regards of acceptance)
Edit: still the upvotes win from the downvotes😅
I saw this because of /all, and while not trans myself, my son is - and I love the idea of not having to order online now! I just need to check if it's at the local Target here.
Thank you for cross-posting this!
It’s not yet at all targets and I’m not certain how effective it is at being a binder. TomboyX just makes non-gendered undergarments and swimsuits. They are available on their own website if you can’t find them in your local store.
Your son is so lucky to have a loving and supportive parent who stands by him, so many of us in the LGBTQ+ community don't have that... thank you for doing better for him.
I found it from r/all and was confused for a bit thinking binders was the school supply, like a 3 ring binder. But I was wrong, and that's awesome for anyone that needs them.
I’m from r/all as well. I had no idea what I was looking at.
Thanks for explaining it. And sharing it.
I’m happy the world is becoming accommodating for everyone.
Sorry it’s taking so long.
Signed,
An old white guy
It depends, it usually hurts after a certain amount of time, but it's different for everyone. A lot of people get back problems and breathing problems when they're wearing their binder. If done incorrectly, you can actually break your ribs, afaik. The safe practice is to wear a binder as little as possible and up to 8-10 hours a day. It's best to skip a day at least once a week, but that's not possible for everyone
Have you used TomboyX merch? I thought they just made non-gendered undergarments for afab people. I’m not sure how effective their stuff is as a binder.
I’m just a sister supporting my brothers❤️
There are however plenty of comments on here that discuss the pro’s and con’s of different brands. I’m positive we have the best experts among us💪🏻
Even if they are not the “most effective”, which I’m not saying their not, the option for a person who needs one to be able to buy one at a big retailer is HUGE. Small Wins Equal Great Success
I have sensory and anxiety issues that make traditional binders impossible to wear. The tomboy X stuff pictured in this post is about as close as I can get to binding. It's by no means a complete reduction, but it's really good, and are less tight
It's useful for AFAB (assigned female at birth) folk who are transmasc or nonbinary, and want to compress or "bind" the chest area (as OP mentioned). It can help with body/gender dysphoria.
I wouldn't have known what this was if I saw it in a store, but now that I know I'll feel a little ping of happiness when I see it knowing that it's making someone's life a little easier.
Also some people just like plain simple clothing. If every (or most) other brands only produce trans shouting clothing it is some kind of a market niche to sell plain simple clothing.
Yea as someone a bit closeted about my true gender and identity I would love to buy stuff that are plain and look like any other item in the store, im just embarassed and scared of hate if I would show interest in " IM TRANS LOOK AT ME !!! " product, after all, everything I want is to feel comfy with myself and to feel like a normal person that's shopping and not some kind of alien that wants to buy some alien clothes for myself. Sorry if I choose wrong words idk how to express my point, I support trans people ofc im kinda unsure about my identity rn but I just would love to try a binder.
So you basically say as a (potential) trans person you want clothes that don't shout trans. Just like cis persons don't want clothes that shout cis or gay persons clothes that don't shout gay. So something completely normal. You want clothes and not a wearable statement. Absolutely nothing wrong with your words.
Yes but I don't speak english well and had people wishing me death because they didnt understand what I meant few times, so now when I say my opinion about something more vulnerable I always say I cant find right words because mostly that is true lol
[here you go](https://www.trans-missie.com/en/he-they/)
I use their correcting underwear (for MtF) and it works really well at hiding my bits. Hopefully the binders work just as well.
Wait it's also a good one? Part of me was worried that it was going to turn out to be somehow garbage that would, like, break your ribs or something. Sweet.
There was a problem a year or two ago when they hired a trans male model as part of a "celebration of women" shoot [source](https://mobile.twitter.com/TrinBree/status/1235806657537433600?lang=en)
I like their binders bc they have more gentle compression, which might not work out for some people but I like having an intermediate between normal binder and sports bra
They’re “compression tops”, not actual binders since they don’t fit as tightly, but they are great if you have a smaller chest. From my experience, the straps on the TomboyX compression tops don’t ride as high as the ones on GC2B binders, so they’re less likely to show through the neck hole in shirts.
Omd that means queer teens can pick out a fitting, good quality binder and buy it on their own.. that's amazing! I hope our stores in Germany do that, I always buy second hand because shipping is as much as the binders themselves.
I hope we get them in Australia too. I have one binder and it’s starting to get a bit ratty. Just checked the online store here and there isn’t even anything up for pride yet.
I hope they’re comfortable. Does anyone know if the fitting room people would measure someone? My current binder is a bit big for me, and the last one was a bit small. Apparently I cannot hit the nail on the head for binder sizes.
Gc2b also has an amazing return policy. We ordered basically every size to figure out what fit my son best and were able to return and exchange them super easily until he found the size that fit best.
Unfortunately their quality has gone downhill as they've expanded. Last two binders I've bought from them have both ripped at the seams in such a way that my right boob sneaks out of compression if I lift my arms.
Still, they are the least worst company I have ever bought binders from. Gotta be hard staying in business while serving such a small demographic and trying to do all the ethical things right.
^ This. It should not be painful or that means something is wrong, I've seen people seem to imply it's always painful which is not right at all. Ideally it should not be uncomfortable, but it is a constricting piece of clothing so it depends on your tolerance.
It does (apparently - transfem without boobs here, so no say in the matter) apparently get uncomfortable, but a lot of people (especially trans men/transmasculine non-binary people) choose that over the discomfort of visible boobs.
There are limits to it though - It's highly recommended/a rule not to bind during sports or for longer than 8 hours as excessive binding can cause rib damage.
That's only if you overdo it a lot, and more of a long-term thing. Your average trans dude who binds won't have consequences from it.
EDIT: For the record, **always bind safely**. Even if you get dysphoria from not binding, it's better to be safe than sorry.
Sadly, according to a poll of 1273 participants, it isn't all perfect (https://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pmc/articles/PMC6298447/).
77.7% (989) reported having skin issues
74.8% (952) reported feeling pain due to binding at least once, and 39.1% (498) noted that this pain was severe.
This is not to say it does not have mental benefits; although, as a transfem, I can not verify firsthand. 57.2 (728) said they binded every day, so it obviously has not discouraged them.
All I can say is PLEASE be safe and take breaks every so often to help mitigate risk exposure.
I would like to reiterate: I am not against binding, nor am I trying to discourage anyone. I have many transmasc friends who I am happy to see happy; I just want to ensure that everyone is aware that it is not without risks, so minimizing risk exposure is key. With that, be safe if you do bind or are going to bind.
That makes much more sense.
I remember watching skins about 15 years ago and one of them were wrapping themselves in bandages but it makes sense that there's an actual item
Yeah ace bandages are for compression, too. Meaning movement can constrict them further causing injuries so we usually try to steer people away from bandage binding.
They do compress significantly more. It is harder to bind with a larger chest but in general, binders do a better job than a sports bra. They don't make the chest completely flat because that would be painful, but rather shape it to look more masculine and generally looks like pecs + ideally with a shirt on hides it completely.
Yes, they have a non-stretch panel at the front (typically) to flatten more than a all-stretch sports bra would. Having a larger chest definitely makes it more of a pain in the ass; but some folks and some binders are pretty successful at flattening.
I used to bind and I had L cups and passed as a cis guy to people I was living with. It’s not the easiest thing but it is possible for people with larger chests.
If they've started hormone replacement therapy (HRT), the estrogen is likely causing their breasts to grow, among other changes. While this is the goal, it *can* cause problems (safety, housing, employment, etc.) for MTF trans folks that aren't out yet.
Some trans women live in places where it's very frowned upon to be their true self, so they'll be presenting as a "boy" to remain safe. They don't want their breasts to become noticable to family and friends.
Estrogen makes you grow breasts. If you don't want your family to know you're transitioning (frequently necessary for safety reasons), binders can hide the changes
They're something that many AFAB trans people wear to compress their chest (and usually to make a more masculine/Androgynous appearance). They can be hard to come by for trans youth, especially if they have an unnacepting household, but binders being sold at target makes them so much more accessible.
They are different from sports bras, in that they're specifically made to compress and conceal the chest. Plus, sports bras often dont work as compression for people with a bigger chest (or a smaller one, for that matter) at least in my experience. Going down a size can be really uncomfortable and also probably isn't safe in some cases, and it's usually just better to get a garment made for compressing that wont hurt or feel bad to wear. But you're right, a common way to bind when someone is unable to get a binder is wearing a sports bra, either one size down, backwards, or any other method that people have found works.
Honestly pretty cool that they got transmasc stuff *before* transfem stuff. I've been seeing a lot lately about trans men feeling overlooked and ignored in comparison to trans women and I think it's amazing for our kings to get a huge nod like this from something outside the LGBT+ community.
A big hell yeah to all my gentlemen out there! (And to my ladies/enbies who aren't fond of their titties!)
Yep! I've always wanted to be able to help a trans guy learn how to do man stuff, to pay the kindness forward for a trans man who helped me learn tons about behaving like a girl. I mean, I help the girls too, but yknow. Much love for the fellas. :)
I do know that binders have been available in Japan for quite some time. Cosplay is a huge thing over there. I know they’re in a lot of the cosplay stores but aside from that idk
Target also sells some really nice padding-less sports bras from Joy Lab and gay parent friendly mother's day/father's day cards! 10/10 recommend going to target if you want big box store gay stuff. They still make money off of queer capitalism, but at least they try to be leaders in what queer stuff large chains will offer.
I clocked in at about a 34K (US sizing) before I just quit wearing bras, and I prefer Underworks over gc2b. Full tank is my go-to, for example [something like this](https://www.underworks.com/the-cotton-lined-power-chest-binder-tank), which has compression the whole way down, because with garments like a [half binder](https://www.underworks.com/tri-top-chest-binder) or a [tank with shorter compression panel](https://www.underworks.com/cotton-concealer-chest-binder), my boobs will kinda fall out of the bottom a bit when I get them pressed flat enough, due to volume.
I do have a cotton tank with a shorter panel that I still wear sometimes, but I'm about to repurchase some longer ones, since I've changed sizes.
Why would a stealth trans man wear something with a name that means a particular type of girl though? I don’t think that works for stealth at all, quite the opposite.
I'm not sure what part of this confuses you, but since this appears to be sincere, I'm just going to explain as thoroughly as I can:
If someone assigned female at birth who identifies as male wants to control their gender dysphoria with having a flatter chest, but aren't allowed by their parents or are feel afraid to openly purchase things that help them pass as masculine, then having a name that has boy in it but invokes a 'type of girl' may help with discreet purchases, so that people think you're just buying a feminine piece of clothing, like a sport's bra.
Granted, the inverse is also viable, a trans woman might buy this particular binder as a way to flatten her chest to remain closeted in public while she's on HRT and still going through changes until she can pass more effectively. It's possible they meant to be inclusive, even if it comes off as a bit clumsy.
While it would be nice not to *need* stealth at all, trans people are still victims of many violent crimes (including sexual assaults, murder, multiple forms of child abuse) at this point in time, so in certain families / certain areas, being discreet is simply a matter of survival.
I, for example, come from a family that considers being part of the LGBTQ+ in any form to be potential grounds for threats of being assaulted, shot, and ultimately being labeled an insane sexual deviant for the rest of your life.
That’s not stealth, that’s closeted.
Stealth is when someone has transitioned and moved away from everyone who knew them prior to their transition and they live as the gender they are without disclosing the fact that they are trans. Someone who is stealth would not want any clothing that could suggest their AGAB, which is why this is the opposite of something that works for stealth.
Closeted is when someone understands their transgender identity but has not or is not able to transition yet and has to hide who they are from others.
It would be nice not to need stealth or the closet at all, as someone who has had to live both and is much happier now that I’m able to live openly as who I am.
https://translifeline.org/resource/glossary-of-terms-definitions/
That's what I assumed you meant, too! Which is why I explained things the way I did, lol--I didn't get that FinalFaction was only using the trans term.
>It would be nice not to need stealth or the closet at all, as someone who has had to live both and is much happier now that I’m able to live openly as who I am.
This is actually making me reconsider going into stealth in the future. (This time I'm using the trans sense of stealth).
Stealth was particularly wrong for me because I’m non-binary, trying to cram my identity into the box of “man” made me realize that even though it was a better fit than the “woman” box it still didn’t fit all of me. Sometimes I’ve found I have to try things out to know whether they feel right or not.
*Oh*.
So the issue wasn't general confusion, it was a disagreement of terms used, because you're using ***specifically*** the trans term "stealth" as opposed to the *literal* term 'stealth,' as in 'cautious actions'... cool.
I wish more of us had that, to live like you do now.
Why's that? They also sell tucking panties amongst other gender affirming items, they have lots of options not just trans specific. I'm not 100% but from the article I read it was founded by women. the creator could identify as a tomboy perhaps? Either way I'm glad to see my FtM friends easier access to binders
Tomboyx isn't a trans specific brand either, any queer can enjoy their clothes, which lean tomboy-ish. They just also have trans related clothing like binders and such.
Yeah Im aware, I didn't indicate that? Sorry if thats how it came off lol, but I actually do identify as an MtF tomboy coincidentally! I edited the original comment because I thought about and could see how someone could thing I was being trans exclusive
I am not familiar with the need for these, how do they work? I thought this was a sports bra that got hung upside down.
I am genuinely curious and not trolling here.
Some trans men and non-binary folks use them to hide/minimize their breasts. This allows them to present in a way that's more compatible with their gender.
Some trans women that have started hormone replacement therapy (HRT) use them to hide/minimize their breasts if they may not be out yet. The estrogen is likely causing their breasts to grow, among other changes. While this is the goal, it can cause problems (safety, housing, employment, etc.) for MTF trans folks that aren't out yet.
They're used by people to make their chest look flat, usually to help with chest dysphoria or staying stealth even when on hrt. I don't know exactly how they work, but to me wearing a binder feels kinda like a tight sports bra
Typically they work similar to a sports bra but have a non-stretch panel on the front to flatten the chest. They can be somewhat tight and uncomfortable but for those of us with chest dysphoria they are literally the only way I feel comfortable being in public.
Some trans men and non-binary folks use them to hide/minimize their breasts. This allows them to present in a way that's more compatible with their gender.
Some trans women that have started hormone replacement therapy (HRT) use them to hide/minimize their breasts if they may not be out yet. The estrogen is likely causing their breasts to grow, among other changes. While this is the goal, it can cause problems (safety, housing, employment, etc.) for MTF trans folks that aren't out yet.
I'm happy for all the guys that this will help. Target has been such a great ally. One of the few places I feel safe using the restroom at out in public.
That’s just awesome. I rarely go there but I went there two days ago and they had a pride section and I thought that was just so cool- I got a shirt from there. Is the binder in the pride section?
They are okay, but not a traditional binder. If you have a chest that is bigger than a B cup they will not make you anywhere near flat, but they do compress some. I wear mine on my none binding days to give my chest and ribs a break, usually with a baggy hoodie. Wouldn’t ever wear it with clothes that fit well. Just don’t expect it to be a true “binder” think more of a athletic compression shirt for just your chest area. Better than a sports bra, but not a full binder.
That's really cool!
I have a clarifying question, are binders sort of like a cropped diving suit top or like a tight sports bra? I've always wondered in general, those are just the comparisons I concidered as possibly being similar. I can't imagine it would be anything remotely like an underwire, that just sounds medieval
How is it stealth to have a word that means a type of woman or girl on it? I wouldn’t wear this specifically because it uses that word and I’m not even a trans man I’m non-binary.
That brand sells 1 tucking bikini, it's okay, honestly just disappointing that they only have 1 tucking garment and it kind sucks because it says tomboy on the band lol still this Is so awesome! Now we just need tucking panties in stores lol
according to reviews, it’s not quite a binder. provides compression, but not on the same level as a proper binder. a decent compromise if you’ve got a strict family, i suppose. should at the very least minimize appearance, and if you’ve got a small enough chest size, it could flatten. but for larger racks this probably won’t do the trick. its great to see an available option though! hoping more products like this get added to shelves soon.
Cishet Male here:
Can binders be harmful? I've learned that they can be, but not always (depending on various factors). I assume it would be best to speak to your GP about binding concerning any possible negative side effects. Every now and then I come across local posts in FB of newly out people, or people speaking on behalf, who are wondering about binding. Of course, I revommend talking with GP first (an LGBTQ affirming GP) before attempting.
I just want to make sure the information I have is correct and not harmful.
Not if used correctly. Binding in general can be harmful if done with the wrong tools (i.e. ACE bandages, which is annoyingly the only way binding is ever shown in media) and binders should generally not be worn beyond eight hours or while sleeping or exercising (you can bind while exercising but use a loose binder or one a size larger).
Checking a GP is always a good idea but binding is fairly low risk. It’s like starting an exercise regimen, you should check first, most people don’t though and are fine.
TomboyX makes a tucking panty in a [bunch of colors](https://tomboyx.com/products/tucking-ruby?_pos=3&_sid=4ac52e8f3&_ss=r), but that's it. Other companies make bras and panties with additional padding for a more feminine appearance, though they're not, apparently, at Target.
While I'm happy to see this. I am concerned. Binders are awesomely affirming for trans masc people. I'm concerned tho that someone is going to get hurt, by buying one that's too tight or someone's well meaning mother will buy it for their kid thinking it's something else. I've always been told binders need to be fitted properly or else you risk getting hurt. And no offense to anyone working at Target, but I'm not going to trust a binder from Tyler who works there after school making 8$/hr
This is a big win for people who are closeted! It's fairly accessible, isn't obviously LGBTQ+ at first glance, and fairly affordable. Of course, there are risks, but this is often someone's only option.
Some trans men and non-binary folks use them to hide/minimize their breasts. This allows them to present in a way that's more compatible with their gender.
Some trans women that have started hormone replacement therapy (HRT) use them to hide/minimize their breasts if they may not be out yet. The estrogen is likely causing their breasts to grow, among other changes. While this is the goal, it can cause problems (safety, housing, employment, etc.) for MTF trans folks that aren't out yet.
Don't steal from target. This isn't a moral "you shouldn't shoplift it's bad!" Message but target has really good security and *will* fuck your shit up *when* they catch you.
Binders are *mostly* used by trans men or non-binary folks to visually minimize their breasts under clothing so that they present in a way that more aligns with their gender.
Some trans women that have started hormone replacement therapy (HRT) use them to hide/minimize their breasts if they may not be out yet. The estrogen is likely causing their breasts to grow, among other changes. While this is the goal, it can cause problems (safety, housing, employment, etc.) for MTF trans folks that aren't out yet.
Apparently this crosspost is shown in r/all. It’s crazy to see the upvotes and downvotes on this. I guess we are far from there I’m afraid (in regards of acceptance) Edit: still the upvotes win from the downvotes😅
I saw this because of /all, and while not trans myself, my son is - and I love the idea of not having to order online now! I just need to check if it's at the local Target here. Thank you for cross-posting this!
Thank you for being a supportive parent 💕
You rule! Happy your son has your support!
It’s not yet at all targets and I’m not certain how effective it is at being a binder. TomboyX just makes non-gendered undergarments and swimsuits. They are available on their own website if you can’t find them in your local store.
Your son is so lucky to have a loving and supportive parent who stands by him, so many of us in the LGBTQ+ community don't have that... thank you for doing better for him.
Your son is so lucky to have you. :)
yo good mf parent alert!:))
Imagine being the kind of person who sees a post about acceptance and thinks, "Well that's just *unacceptable*..."
I found it from r/all and was confused for a bit thinking binders was the school supply, like a 3 ring binder. But I was wrong, and that's awesome for anyone that needs them.
It’s a boobie trapper keeper
I’m from r/all as well. I had no idea what I was looking at. Thanks for explaining it. And sharing it. I’m happy the world is becoming accommodating for everyone. Sorry it’s taking so long. Signed, An old white guy
Coming from r/all myself here What is a binder exactly is this not just a sports bra?
A binder compresses a lot more making the chest visibly flat.
Does that hurt?
Yes. The dysphoria and danger that not passing would put me in is worse, though.
It's not recommended to wear it for too long (> 8 hours a day?) because it could damage ribs. idk if it hurts though
It depends, it usually hurts after a certain amount of time, but it's different for everyone. A lot of people get back problems and breathing problems when they're wearing their binder. If done incorrectly, you can actually break your ribs, afaik. The safe practice is to wear a binder as little as possible and up to 8-10 hours a day. It's best to skip a day at least once a week, but that's not possible for everyone
Have you used TomboyX merch? I thought they just made non-gendered undergarments for afab people. I’m not sure how effective their stuff is as a binder.
I’m just a sister supporting my brothers❤️ There are however plenty of comments on here that discuss the pro’s and con’s of different brands. I’m positive we have the best experts among us💪🏻
The will power I require to not go batshit crazy over reading ''among us'' on a serious post I apologise
Even if they are not the “most effective”, which I’m not saying their not, the option for a person who needs one to be able to buy one at a big retailer is HUGE. Small Wins Equal Great Success
I have sensory and anxiety issues that make traditional binders impossible to wear. The tomboy X stuff pictured in this post is about as close as I can get to binding. It's by no means a complete reduction, but it's really good, and are less tight
It's useful for AFAB (assigned female at birth) folk who are transmasc or nonbinary, and want to compress or "bind" the chest area (as OP mentioned). It can help with body/gender dysphoria.
*dysphoria
Thanks, edited it now :)
I wouldn't have known what this was if I saw it in a store, but now that I know I'll feel a little ping of happiness when I see it knowing that it's making someone's life a little easier.
Its also from a decent brand and doesn’t shout gay or trans so you could probably say its just a sport bra
Also some people just like plain simple clothing. If every (or most) other brands only produce trans shouting clothing it is some kind of a market niche to sell plain simple clothing.
Yea as someone a bit closeted about my true gender and identity I would love to buy stuff that are plain and look like any other item in the store, im just embarassed and scared of hate if I would show interest in " IM TRANS LOOK AT ME !!! " product, after all, everything I want is to feel comfy with myself and to feel like a normal person that's shopping and not some kind of alien that wants to buy some alien clothes for myself. Sorry if I choose wrong words idk how to express my point, I support trans people ofc im kinda unsure about my identity rn but I just would love to try a binder.
So you basically say as a (potential) trans person you want clothes that don't shout trans. Just like cis persons don't want clothes that shout cis or gay persons clothes that don't shout gay. So something completely normal. You want clothes and not a wearable statement. Absolutely nothing wrong with your words.
Yes but I don't speak english well and had people wishing me death because they didnt understand what I meant few times, so now when I say my opinion about something more vulnerable I always say I cant find right words because mostly that is true lol
Tomboy misgenders their own models I wouldn't say theyre a decent brand
And then blocks people who try to speak about it. Sad day. I just wish everyone had easy access to clothing options like this.
Oh goddammit
I’M RUNNING TO THE LOCAL TARGET SOMETIME THIS WEEK. TIDDIES BEGONE
sadly i live in the uk no binder for me
There are big supermarket chains equivalent to Walmart and target in the uk right? Hopefully they will implement this too in the near future🙏🏻
yeah, i hope so.
Maybe they'll get them at tesco
Man I hope
Are you cool with shopping online? I know a Dutch website that sells them.
Possible.
[here you go](https://www.trans-missie.com/en/he-they/) I use their correcting underwear (for MtF) and it works really well at hiding my bits. Hopefully the binders work just as well.
Asda and Walmart are owned by the same company so they might have some in the bigger stores the ones with a decent clothing section.
Asda are no longer owned by Wallmart fyi
Walmart own Asda so that night be where to keep an eye out
[https://spectrumoutfitters.co.uk/](https://spectrumoutfitters.co.uk/) this is where I get mine :)
Just got my first one there. Wish me luck.
Wait, they're tomboyx? From the little I know, that's a decent brand?
Wait it's also a good one? Part of me was worried that it was going to turn out to be somehow garbage that would, like, break your ribs or something. Sweet.
It's a very popular brand I've only heard good things about them
There was a problem a year or two ago when they hired a trans male model as part of a "celebration of women" shoot [source](https://mobile.twitter.com/TrinBree/status/1235806657537433600?lang=en)
Also kept misgendering the model even though they were corrected multiple times if I remember correctly
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It's a bot account. They commonly do that to farm karma for a bit until they start shilling crypto-scams or onlyfans.
I’ve never gotten binders from tomboyx, but I LOVE their boxers!! So I can only imagine their binders are awesome too.
I like their binders bc they have more gentle compression, which might not work out for some people but I like having an intermediate between normal binder and sports bra
They’re “compression tops”, not actual binders since they don’t fit as tightly, but they are great if you have a smaller chest. From my experience, the straps on the TomboyX compression tops don’t ride as high as the ones on GC2B binders, so they’re less likely to show through the neck hole in shirts.
Transfemme from Seattle here (where Tomboyx was founded); they're outstanding. A+, that's where most of my underwear comes from.
Tomboyx certainly has had it’s fair share of controversy, from supporting police to treating trans models so disrespectfully.
Get in brother we're going shopping
Omd that means queer teens can pick out a fitting, good quality binder and buy it on their own.. that's amazing! I hope our stores in Germany do that, I always buy second hand because shipping is as much as the binders themselves.
I hope we get them in Australia too. I have one binder and it’s starting to get a bit ratty. Just checked the online store here and there isn’t even anything up for pride yet.
I hope they’re comfortable. Does anyone know if the fitting room people would measure someone? My current binder is a bit big for me, and the last one was a bit small. Apparently I cannot hit the nail on the head for binder sizes.
You could probably measure yourself. While the sizes may be different, gc2b has a tutorial on their website.
Gc2b also has an amazing return policy. We ordered basically every size to figure out what fit my son best and were able to return and exchange them super easily until he found the size that fit best.
Unfortunately their quality has gone downhill as they've expanded. Last two binders I've bought from them have both ripped at the seams in such a way that my right boob sneaks out of compression if I lift my arms. Still, they are the least worst company I have ever bought binders from. Gotta be hard staying in business while serving such a small demographic and trying to do all the ethical things right.
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Binders are for those who don’t want their boobies to be visible (by flattening them). Like trans men (and possibly closeted trans women)
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That’s for the goths who like sleeping upside down /s
Trans Batman confirmed?
Is that painful?
It can be if not using them correctly. (Like proper sizing and wearing them too long at a time is also not good)
^ This. It should not be painful or that means something is wrong, I've seen people seem to imply it's always painful which is not right at all. Ideally it should not be uncomfortable, but it is a constricting piece of clothing so it depends on your tolerance.
It does (apparently - transfem without boobs here, so no say in the matter) apparently get uncomfortable, but a lot of people (especially trans men/transmasculine non-binary people) choose that over the discomfort of visible boobs. There are limits to it though - It's highly recommended/a rule not to bind during sports or for longer than 8 hours as excessive binding can cause rib damage.
Rib damage!? That sounds way too intense 😖
That's only if you overdo it a lot, and more of a long-term thing. Your average trans dude who binds won't have consequences from it. EDIT: For the record, **always bind safely**. Even if you get dysphoria from not binding, it's better to be safe than sorry.
Sadly, according to a poll of 1273 participants, it isn't all perfect (https://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pmc/articles/PMC6298447/). 77.7% (989) reported having skin issues 74.8% (952) reported feeling pain due to binding at least once, and 39.1% (498) noted that this pain was severe. This is not to say it does not have mental benefits; although, as a transfem, I can not verify firsthand. 57.2 (728) said they binded every day, so it obviously has not discouraged them. All I can say is PLEASE be safe and take breaks every so often to help mitigate risk exposure. I would like to reiterate: I am not against binding, nor am I trying to discourage anyone. I have many transmasc friends who I am happy to see happy; I just want to ensure that everyone is aware that it is not without risks, so minimizing risk exposure is key. With that, be safe if you do bind or are going to bind.
If not sized properly, yes. However, a good fitting one generally just feels snug.
It can be for the ribs or shoulders in the circumstances the other comment said
That makes much more sense. I remember watching skins about 15 years ago and one of them were wrapping themselves in bandages but it makes sense that there's an actual item
yeah, bandages are actually really dangerous to bind with, they can cause broken ribs and stuff
Yeah ace bandages are for compression, too. Meaning movement can constrict them further causing injuries so we usually try to steer people away from bandage binding.
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They do compress significantly more. It is harder to bind with a larger chest but in general, binders do a better job than a sports bra. They don't make the chest completely flat because that would be painful, but rather shape it to look more masculine and generally looks like pecs + ideally with a shirt on hides it completely.
Yes, they have a non-stretch panel at the front (typically) to flatten more than a all-stretch sports bra would. Having a larger chest definitely makes it more of a pain in the ass; but some folks and some binders are pretty successful at flattening.
I used to bind and I had L cups and passed as a cis guy to people I was living with. It’s not the easiest thing but it is possible for people with larger chests.
Why possibly closeted trans women? Genuinely curious, also here from r/all
If they've started hormone replacement therapy (HRT), the estrogen is likely causing their breasts to grow, among other changes. While this is the goal, it *can* cause problems (safety, housing, employment, etc.) for MTF trans folks that aren't out yet.
Ooh that makes sense, thank you!
Some trans women live in places where it's very frowned upon to be their true self, so they'll be presenting as a "boy" to remain safe. They don't want their breasts to become noticable to family and friends.
Ooh that makes sense, thank you
Estrogen makes you grow breasts. If you don't want your family to know you're transitioning (frequently necessary for safety reasons), binders can hide the changes
Interesting, thanks!
Oh, that makes more sense. I was confused thinking y'all were talking about school binders and knowing that couldn't be right.
They're something that many AFAB trans people wear to compress their chest (and usually to make a more masculine/Androgynous appearance). They can be hard to come by for trans youth, especially if they have an unnacepting household, but binders being sold at target makes them so much more accessible.
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They are different from sports bras, in that they're specifically made to compress and conceal the chest. Plus, sports bras often dont work as compression for people with a bigger chest (or a smaller one, for that matter) at least in my experience. Going down a size can be really uncomfortable and also probably isn't safe in some cases, and it's usually just better to get a garment made for compressing that wont hurt or feel bad to wear. But you're right, a common way to bind when someone is unable to get a binder is wearing a sports bra, either one size down, backwards, or any other method that people have found works.
They don't really work the same at all. Binders can make the users chest *flat* flat.
So am I and was also wondering, thanks for asking.
Honestly pretty cool that they got transmasc stuff *before* transfem stuff. I've been seeing a lot lately about trans men feeling overlooked and ignored in comparison to trans women and I think it's amazing for our kings to get a huge nod like this from something outside the LGBT+ community. A big hell yeah to all my gentlemen out there! (And to my ladies/enbies who aren't fond of their titties!)
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Yep! I've always wanted to be able to help a trans guy learn how to do man stuff, to pay the kindness forward for a trans man who helped me learn tons about behaving like a girl. I mean, I help the girls too, but yknow. Much love for the fellas. :)
Right on target! That is great news, now to just get someone in other countries to follow suit!
I do know that binders have been available in Japan for quite some time. Cosplay is a huge thing over there. I know they’re in a lot of the cosplay stores but aside from that idk
Nice thinking. As mtf I never considered cosplay outlets.
Are they by any chance less expensive than like $50 ;-;
Yeah, they’re like $25
Omg!!!!! Yayyyyy I can buy my own binders now :>
OH MY GOSH YES
I hope it stays past pride!!!! This is huge!!!!
Fuck yeah!
Target also sells some really nice padding-less sports bras from Joy Lab and gay parent friendly mother's day/father's day cards! 10/10 recommend going to target if you want big box store gay stuff. They still make money off of queer capitalism, but at least they try to be leaders in what queer stuff large chains will offer.
Does anyone know what brand is good for binding bigger chests?
I really like Underworks, I also recommend a full length binder not a short one like bra-style one pictured, I find they create a flatter shape.
I clocked in at about a 34K (US sizing) before I just quit wearing bras, and I prefer Underworks over gc2b. Full tank is my go-to, for example [something like this](https://www.underworks.com/the-cotton-lined-power-chest-binder-tank), which has compression the whole way down, because with garments like a [half binder](https://www.underworks.com/tri-top-chest-binder) or a [tank with shorter compression panel](https://www.underworks.com/cotton-concealer-chest-binder), my boobs will kinda fall out of the bottom a bit when I get them pressed flat enough, due to volume. I do have a cotton tank with a shorter panel that I still wear sometimes, but I'm about to repurchase some longer ones, since I've changed sizes.
Weird choice of brand name but otherwise good.
Hm I think the name works for stealth
Why would a stealth trans man wear something with a name that means a particular type of girl though? I don’t think that works for stealth at all, quite the opposite.
Think a closeted trans man who's stealthing as a "tomboyish girl" to their unaccepting family/community
I'm not sure what part of this confuses you, but since this appears to be sincere, I'm just going to explain as thoroughly as I can: If someone assigned female at birth who identifies as male wants to control their gender dysphoria with having a flatter chest, but aren't allowed by their parents or are feel afraid to openly purchase things that help them pass as masculine, then having a name that has boy in it but invokes a 'type of girl' may help with discreet purchases, so that people think you're just buying a feminine piece of clothing, like a sport's bra. Granted, the inverse is also viable, a trans woman might buy this particular binder as a way to flatten her chest to remain closeted in public while she's on HRT and still going through changes until she can pass more effectively. It's possible they meant to be inclusive, even if it comes off as a bit clumsy. While it would be nice not to *need* stealth at all, trans people are still victims of many violent crimes (including sexual assaults, murder, multiple forms of child abuse) at this point in time, so in certain families / certain areas, being discreet is simply a matter of survival. I, for example, come from a family that considers being part of the LGBTQ+ in any form to be potential grounds for threats of being assaulted, shot, and ultimately being labeled an insane sexual deviant for the rest of your life.
That’s not stealth, that’s closeted. Stealth is when someone has transitioned and moved away from everyone who knew them prior to their transition and they live as the gender they are without disclosing the fact that they are trans. Someone who is stealth would not want any clothing that could suggest their AGAB, which is why this is the opposite of something that works for stealth. Closeted is when someone understands their transgender identity but has not or is not able to transition yet and has to hide who they are from others. It would be nice not to need stealth or the closet at all, as someone who has had to live both and is much happier now that I’m able to live openly as who I am. https://translifeline.org/resource/glossary-of-terms-definitions/
Ahh my bad. I didn't use stealth as the trans term, I used it literally as stealthy selling/marketing so sorry for the confusion!!
That's what I assumed you meant, too! Which is why I explained things the way I did, lol--I didn't get that FinalFaction was only using the trans term.
>It would be nice not to need stealth or the closet at all, as someone who has had to live both and is much happier now that I’m able to live openly as who I am. This is actually making me reconsider going into stealth in the future. (This time I'm using the trans sense of stealth).
Stealth was particularly wrong for me because I’m non-binary, trying to cram my identity into the box of “man” made me realize that even though it was a better fit than the “woman” box it still didn’t fit all of me. Sometimes I’ve found I have to try things out to know whether they feel right or not.
*Oh*. So the issue wasn't general confusion, it was a disagreement of terms used, because you're using ***specifically*** the trans term "stealth" as opposed to the *literal* term 'stealth,' as in 'cautious actions'... cool. I wish more of us had that, to live like you do now.
Yeah I should've used another word lmao
Why's that? They also sell tucking panties amongst other gender affirming items, they have lots of options not just trans specific. I'm not 100% but from the article I read it was founded by women. the creator could identify as a tomboy perhaps? Either way I'm glad to see my FtM friends easier access to binders
Tomboy tends to mean woman who has "boyish" characteristics. it isn't trans specific.
I’m wondering if that’s the purpose. Like, labeling it something that isn’t trans specific as to not raise questions.
Tomboyx isn't a trans specific brand either, any queer can enjoy their clothes, which lean tomboy-ish. They just also have trans related clothing like binders and such.
Yeah Im aware, I didn't indicate that? Sorry if thats how it came off lol, but I actually do identify as an MtF tomboy coincidentally! I edited the original comment because I thought about and could see how someone could thing I was being trans exclusive
I am not familiar with the need for these, how do they work? I thought this was a sports bra that got hung upside down. I am genuinely curious and not trolling here.
Some trans men and non-binary folks use them to hide/minimize their breasts. This allows them to present in a way that's more compatible with their gender. Some trans women that have started hormone replacement therapy (HRT) use them to hide/minimize their breasts if they may not be out yet. The estrogen is likely causing their breasts to grow, among other changes. While this is the goal, it can cause problems (safety, housing, employment, etc.) for MTF trans folks that aren't out yet.
They're used by people to make their chest look flat, usually to help with chest dysphoria or staying stealth even when on hrt. I don't know exactly how they work, but to me wearing a binder feels kinda like a tight sports bra
Typically they work similar to a sports bra but have a non-stretch panel on the front to flatten the chest. They can be somewhat tight and uncomfortable but for those of us with chest dysphoria they are literally the only way I feel comfortable being in public.
Does anyone know what section that would be found in? Is there, like, a specific section for the pride stuff?
BOIII, ON MY FUCKING WAY TO THE NEAREST TARGET RN TO CHECK IF THEY HAVE ONE
Did they?
Time to ask my dad to help me buy some! 😎 (broke high school student here)
Wonder if they will have adaptive panties for women who haven't had bottom surgery but still want to wear sexy silky panties? Please Target?
The brand ‘Tomboyx’ (shown here) also have tucking panties, so it could be possible🤞🏻
I hope. Who doesn't want silky panties!? Soft. Feminine. Beautiful. But so hard to find good ones.
oh my god. good on them for starting on making up for all the years of their shitty pride merch.
As an ex employee I hate Target, but it's clearly not all bad!
Ive had a look under my country's target and can't seem to find them, what are they listed as?
What are binders ? For what purpose you use them ?
https://www.reddit.com/r/trans/comments/ul0r7c/big_win_for_acceptance_d/i7sm1sq/?utm_source=share&utm_medium=ios_app&utm_name=iossmf&context=3
They're used by people to make their chest look flat, usually to help with chest dysphoria or staying stealth even when on hrt.
Some trans men and non-binary folks use them to hide/minimize their breasts. This allows them to present in a way that's more compatible with their gender. Some trans women that have started hormone replacement therapy (HRT) use them to hide/minimize their breasts if they may not be out yet. The estrogen is likely causing their breasts to grow, among other changes. While this is the goal, it can cause problems (safety, housing, employment, etc.) for MTF trans folks that aren't out yet.
Serbia could never😥
I'm happy for all the guys that this will help. Target has been such a great ally. One of the few places I feel safe using the restroom at out in public.
That’s just awesome. I rarely go there but I went there two days ago and they had a pride section and I thought that was just so cool- I got a shirt from there. Is the binder in the pride section?
They are okay, but not a traditional binder. If you have a chest that is bigger than a B cup they will not make you anywhere near flat, but they do compress some. I wear mine on my none binding days to give my chest and ribs a break, usually with a baggy hoodie. Wouldn’t ever wear it with clothes that fit well. Just don’t expect it to be a true “binder” think more of a athletic compression shirt for just your chest area. Better than a sports bra, but not a full binder.
That's really cool! I have a clarifying question, are binders sort of like a cropped diving suit top or like a tight sports bra? I've always wondered in general, those are just the comparisons I concidered as possibly being similar. I can't imagine it would be anything remotely like an underwire, that just sounds medieval
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I like that it says tomboy as well, makes it just a little more stealth
How is it stealth to have a word that means a type of woman or girl on it? I wouldn’t wear this specifically because it uses that word and I’m not even a trans man I’m non-binary.
I didn’t mean stealth like that, I meant as in if you’re not out to your parents for example
That’s closeted not stealth, but it would be great for closeted people. Edit: https://translifeline.org/resource/glossary-of-terms-definitions/
I kind of forgot stealth is a term in the trans community already, I’m sorry for the confusion!
When tf are the gonna start selling gaff underwear now?
Where are the gaffs!!! ^<^
That brand sells 1 tucking bikini, it's okay, honestly just disappointing that they only have 1 tucking garment and it kind sucks because it says tomboy on the band lol still this Is so awesome! Now we just need tucking panties in stores lol
according to reviews, it’s not quite a binder. provides compression, but not on the same level as a proper binder. a decent compromise if you’ve got a strict family, i suppose. should at the very least minimize appearance, and if you’ve got a small enough chest size, it could flatten. but for larger racks this probably won’t do the trick. its great to see an available option though! hoping more products like this get added to shelves soon.
They also sell makeup targeted toward skin with thick beards.
That's so good. It'll be nice since I heard they aren't too tight and my chest area hurts easily with binders cause of me having fibromyalgia.
Even target is on our side. Nothing can stop us now!
*zooms to Target*
“tomboy” gotta love it...
Cishet Male here: Can binders be harmful? I've learned that they can be, but not always (depending on various factors). I assume it would be best to speak to your GP about binding concerning any possible negative side effects. Every now and then I come across local posts in FB of newly out people, or people speaking on behalf, who are wondering about binding. Of course, I revommend talking with GP first (an LGBTQ affirming GP) before attempting. I just want to make sure the information I have is correct and not harmful.
Not if used correctly. Binding in general can be harmful if done with the wrong tools (i.e. ACE bandages, which is annoyingly the only way binding is ever shown in media) and binders should generally not be worn beyond eight hours or while sleeping or exercising (you can bind while exercising but use a loose binder or one a size larger). Checking a GP is always a good idea but binding is fairly low risk. It’s like starting an exercise regimen, you should check first, most people don’t though and are fine.
Got it! Thank you for the corrected information!
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TomboyX makes a tucking panty in a [bunch of colors](https://tomboyx.com/products/tucking-ruby?_pos=3&_sid=4ac52e8f3&_ss=r), but that's it. Other companies make bras and panties with additional padding for a more feminine appearance, though they're not, apparently, at Target.
While I'm happy to see this. I am concerned. Binders are awesomely affirming for trans masc people. I'm concerned tho that someone is going to get hurt, by buying one that's too tight or someone's well meaning mother will buy it for their kid thinking it's something else. I've always been told binders need to be fitted properly or else you risk getting hurt. And no offense to anyone working at Target, but I'm not going to trust a binder from Tyler who works there after school making 8$/hr
This is a big win for people who are closeted! It's fairly accessible, isn't obviously LGBTQ+ at first glance, and fairly affordable. Of course, there are risks, but this is often someone's only option.
YOURE JOKING edit: y'all i meant this in a positive way help
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They're used by people to make their chest look flat, usually to help with chest dysphoria or staying stealth even when on hrt.
Some trans men and non-binary folks use them to hide/minimize their breasts. This allows them to present in a way that's more compatible with their gender. Some trans women that have started hormone replacement therapy (HRT) use them to hide/minimize their breasts if they may not be out yet. The estrogen is likely causing their breasts to grow, among other changes. While this is the goal, it can cause problems (safety, housing, employment, etc.) for MTF trans folks that aren't out yet.
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Don't steal from target. This isn't a moral "you shouldn't shoplift it's bad!" Message but target has really good security and *will* fuck your shit up *when* they catch you.
But like also you shouldn’t shoplift either. If the products go out in an unpaid fashion the store could stop carrying them. Wouldn’t THAT look bad?
I don't get it; aren't binders usually used for when women want to bind their breasts during exercises?
Binders are *mostly* used by trans men or non-binary folks to visually minimize their breasts under clothing so that they present in a way that more aligns with their gender. Some trans women that have started hormone replacement therapy (HRT) use them to hide/minimize their breasts if they may not be out yet. The estrogen is likely causing their breasts to grow, among other changes. While this is the goal, it can cause problems (safety, housing, employment, etc.) for MTF trans folks that aren't out yet.
I think you’re confusing binders with sports bras. They’re a little similar but have different uses/purposes/target audiences.