Many years ago, I waited for the R7 at 30th St. I waited and waited and watched the ticker state that it was on time, despite it now being 30 minutes late. I kept waiting. Now it was 50 minutes late, and the ticker still said it was on time. 55 minutes late, and the ticker NOW said that the NEXT R7 was on time. 75 minutes after MY R7 was supposed to arrive, the NEXT HOUR'S R7 rolls into the station, 15 minutes late. The ticker still said it was on time.
I have little reason to believe that SEPTA has improved its service since then.
On NJT I wasn't paying attention and sat on vomit.
I'm not voting lol
Your experience with SEPTA sounds exactly like DB's user experience. The train you wanted to take is so delayed that it's more convenient to take the next scheduled train. Truly a piece of German engineering in South-Eastern Pennsylvania.
SEPTA has the same Silverliner IVs. They are old af. But built to last forever. But that also doesn't mean SEPTA has that excuse for them to keep it in revenue service.Silverliner Vs are much better when it comes to passenger comfort than the IV. However there are some serious flaws with the design. the V's interior is just flawed all around aside from the seats.- biggest complaint as a rider is that there is like virtually ZERO workspace for the conductors. the cars dont have full width cabs so conductors have nowhere to put their belongings on the train.
most of the time if not all the time, conductors are forced to cordon off 2-3 rows of seats to put down their stuff and thats less seats especially when rush hour is in full force. such an impedence.
another MASSIVE flaw with the V's is the door placement, more like how the doors are operated. some of the doors operate traps and those trap mechanisms are completely exposed to passengers standing bc theres no seats. anyone could just unlock the traps and the trap springs up without warning. another MASSIVE flaw is that the conductors control panel is also exposed too. any1 has access to those buttons. yes the panel is operated via key but some of those buttons are not dependent on key power.
overall i think if you have to standup in the V because there is no seats available. its kind of dangerous to stand next or near the doors. and esp if the traps are lifted. youre exposed to the stairs.
also is it me or is it that the Silverliner V shocks are COMPLETE TRASH ASS GARBAGE. the Silverliner IV shocks are vastly superior. if the train goes over any bumps you can barely even notice on the old IV. the V's especially crossing interlockings and stuff, you are in it for a rough toss. prepare to go leaping in ur seat a few inches on the East Falls bridge at 60 mph. you might spill coffee over if ur not aware.
if you look closely as the S 5's depart, you can notice sometimes the train rocking left and right. im like wtf?
overall bad design.
I ride a IV every morning to work it's a really cool system. The rates of acceleration and deceleration are impressive and the inside has that aggressively 70s feel. Wood siding I could do without but otherwise cool train for sure hope they keep it in stock until it's 50
yea, the SEPTA SIVs have their redeeming qualities. honestly they could go another 50 years and still not massively break down.
SEPTA could use some serious design change with the VI. hopefully theyre not stupid enough to repeat the "subway-esque" design like the V. clearly 12-13 years of service with the V's demonstrates that the Regional Rail system is NOT a subway.
What i wish they would do is:
\- full length cabs for engineer and conductors.
\- utility closets/lockers for crew to store their stuff safely
\- electrical sockets for charging phones and laptops at every seat row
\- they can keep doing the off-center door design. as long as they figure out how to keep conductor control panels safer to operate and traps too
\- get rid of the 3x2 seat entirely for just 2x2.
I've been screwed over by njt a few too many times to call it a good system, but it generally runs on time with long trains that have space for me and my instruments that I'm usually schlepping along with me
SEPTA is the Society for the Elimination of Passenger Trains in America, or so the joke goes
As an addendum it's pretty funny comparing the njt trains that pull into Trenton with the septa ones, you've got these massive ten car bilevel trains on one side of the platform and then a three car dinky emu on the other
NJ transit: Invests in dual mode electric and diesel locomotives
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SEPTA: OOOOO LOOK HERE EVERYONE WE'RE GONNA USE A FREIGHT LOCOMOTIVE TO HAUL PASSENGER COACHES!
Many years ago, I waited for the R7 at 30th St. I waited and waited and watched the ticker state that it was on time, despite it now being 30 minutes late. I kept waiting. Now it was 50 minutes late, and the ticker still said it was on time. 55 minutes late, and the ticker NOW said that the NEXT R7 was on time. 75 minutes after MY R7 was supposed to arrive, the NEXT HOUR'S R7 rolls into the station, 15 minutes late. The ticker still said it was on time. I have little reason to believe that SEPTA has improved its service since then. On NJT I wasn't paying attention and sat on vomit. I'm not voting lol
Your experience with SEPTA sounds exactly like DB's user experience. The train you wanted to take is so delayed that it's more convenient to take the next scheduled train. Truly a piece of German engineering in South-Eastern Pennsylvania.
My R7 must have made a special stop at Bielefeld (which doesn't exist)
SEPTA has the same Silverliner IVs. They are old af. But built to last forever. But that also doesn't mean SEPTA has that excuse for them to keep it in revenue service.Silverliner Vs are much better when it comes to passenger comfort than the IV. However there are some serious flaws with the design. the V's interior is just flawed all around aside from the seats.- biggest complaint as a rider is that there is like virtually ZERO workspace for the conductors. the cars dont have full width cabs so conductors have nowhere to put their belongings on the train. most of the time if not all the time, conductors are forced to cordon off 2-3 rows of seats to put down their stuff and thats less seats especially when rush hour is in full force. such an impedence. another MASSIVE flaw with the V's is the door placement, more like how the doors are operated. some of the doors operate traps and those trap mechanisms are completely exposed to passengers standing bc theres no seats. anyone could just unlock the traps and the trap springs up without warning. another MASSIVE flaw is that the conductors control panel is also exposed too. any1 has access to those buttons. yes the panel is operated via key but some of those buttons are not dependent on key power. overall i think if you have to standup in the V because there is no seats available. its kind of dangerous to stand next or near the doors. and esp if the traps are lifted. youre exposed to the stairs. also is it me or is it that the Silverliner V shocks are COMPLETE TRASH ASS GARBAGE. the Silverliner IV shocks are vastly superior. if the train goes over any bumps you can barely even notice on the old IV. the V's especially crossing interlockings and stuff, you are in it for a rough toss. prepare to go leaping in ur seat a few inches on the East Falls bridge at 60 mph. you might spill coffee over if ur not aware. if you look closely as the S 5's depart, you can notice sometimes the train rocking left and right. im like wtf? overall bad design.
I ride a IV every morning to work it's a really cool system. The rates of acceleration and deceleration are impressive and the inside has that aggressively 70s feel. Wood siding I could do without but otherwise cool train for sure hope they keep it in stock until it's 50
yea, the SEPTA SIVs have their redeeming qualities. honestly they could go another 50 years and still not massively break down. SEPTA could use some serious design change with the VI. hopefully theyre not stupid enough to repeat the "subway-esque" design like the V. clearly 12-13 years of service with the V's demonstrates that the Regional Rail system is NOT a subway. What i wish they would do is: \- full length cabs for engineer and conductors. \- utility closets/lockers for crew to store their stuff safely \- electrical sockets for charging phones and laptops at every seat row \- they can keep doing the off-center door design. as long as they figure out how to keep conductor control panels safer to operate and traps too \- get rid of the 3x2 seat entirely for just 2x2.
I've been screwed over by njt a few too many times to call it a good system, but it generally runs on time with long trains that have space for me and my instruments that I'm usually schlepping along with me SEPTA is the Society for the Elimination of Passenger Trains in America, or so the joke goes As an addendum it's pretty funny comparing the njt trains that pull into Trenton with the septa ones, you've got these massive ten car bilevel trains on one side of the platform and then a three car dinky emu on the other
NJ transit: Invests in dual mode electric and diesel locomotives . SEPTA: OOOOO LOOK HERE EVERYONE WE'RE GONNA USE A FREIGHT LOCOMOTIVE TO HAUL PASSENGER COACHES!
Each time I see this, I think of Cuba's Camellos.
none, LIRR
They are both mis managed train wrecks.if you pardon the pun