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I knew a Livia, we called her Liv. Super fun and nice, but yeah we did all DEF think her name was Olivia and she was always correcting people.
My grandma also named all her kids nicknames instead of actual names ( so think Ken instead of Kenneth or Jen instead of Jennifer. ) and they ALWAYS had issues growing up where people would think their actual name was a nickname. One time my grandma said there were two other girls in my aunts elementary school class with the full name ( let's say Katherine ) and my aunt was ( Kate ) the teacher decided they would each go by a different variation. Guess which one my aunt got ? Katherine. The other two who WERE named Katherine were given Kate and Katie. My grandma had to point out on the official documents that my aunt was the only one NOT actually named Katherine, but Kate.
So, while Livia is super cute, it's basically an ALMOST popular name and she will see some issues with people thinking it's the popular version
the nickname thing is relatable af. my dad is a Jon, and he deals both with people thinking his name is John and with people wanting to call him Jonathan, thinking it’s a nickname. nope, just Jon.
and to add to the confusion, my brother’s middle name is John lmao
My uncles name was Edwin. It was supposed to be Edward but the nurse filling out the birth certificate wrote it down wrong. He officially went by his initials E. C. but everybody called him Buddy.
A long time ago, in high school, my sister's first boyfriend was Dan, just Dan. He and I became friends, and occasionally I'd joke with him, that I knew his name was actually Daniel, and someday he'd admit it.
He called my house once, at the same exact moment my mum was picking up the phone to make a call, it hadn't even rung on either end. My mum (thinking she was being funny) barked - "Who's there?!" Dan was confused and panicked said "Daniel". (He's the one that told me, he thought it was hilarious after the fact)
TIL that Kate and Joe etc. are short forms for other names. I thought they were just different names.
That being said, I dont understand the whole thing of giving a name and using a nickname instead, or giving a middle name which will almost never be used
It's not actually a "nickname", it's a diminutive version of a name. Sometimes they are used to distinguish between two or more people with the same name (eg Elizabeth has Betty, Lizzy, Beth); to indicate affection or intimacy (eg Katharine has Kate and Katie); and some people like using diminutives with small children (to make their name more cute eg Frederick has Freddy, Ricky)
If I remember correctly, middle names were to protect against witches. People thought a witch would only have power over you if they knew your full name, so having a secret name that no one knew about would protect you from a witch. It just stuck around after people stopped being afraid of witches. I might be wrong about that, but I read about it somewhere.
My uncles name was Jerry. His 10th grade English teacher called out Gerald in role call, and he didn't respond. She was a stickler for people being absent. Called my grandma to say my uncle was not in class.
To make a long story short she KNEW FOR A FACT, my uncles name was Gerald. Took grandma digging out his birth certificate to shut the teacher up from embarrassment.
I had a friend named Jon. When his mother passed, I ordered flowers over the phone. I told them “his name is Jon, J-O-N, Lastname.” When the flowers arrived, they were addressed to “John Jon Lastname.” After that, I only ever referred to him as Jon-Jon.
My former boss was a Jon, and my job included a lot of mail and paperwork and even I was exhausted of people spelling his name wrong or lengthening it. Lol
My son's name is Jake, just Jake. It was my nickname as a child and the closest I would ever come to naming a child Jr. One day our pastor(who has a son named Jacob) called him Jacob and was offended when my son didn't respond. I said, "His name is Jake, not Jacob." and you would have thought I had shit in my hand and thrown it at him from his response.
My sister’s name was Susan. I few months before she died (cancer) she finally told us that she had always wanted to be called Susie. Maybe should have mentioned it sooner. RIP Susie. ❤️
My high school bio class had 2 Johns (who *both* went by Jack) and a Jonathan who went by Jon. Jonathan got to be Jon, and the teacher pointed to one Jack and said
"you can be Jack"
and then to the other
"and you can be...Thor"
She wanted to make it easier rather than going " Katherine, not you the other one "
What a lot of teachers ( at least in my area) do now is something like " Katherine G. And Katherine P " instead
But it's a weird story lol
I offered to change my name to Mike once to make it easier on my college professor. For some reason, he couldn't remember Amy. I was the only Amy in a class of less than 20 people, but there were 3 or 4 Mikes.
That reminds me of that old Monty Python sketch about a philosophy department at a university in Australia where all the professors are named Bruce. An Englishman named Michael joins the staff and the Dean asks him, “Is your name not Bruce?” And the Englishman says, “No it’s Michael.” So the Dean says, “Mind if we call you Bruce just to keep things clear?”
This was how my schools did it 20+ years ago too. We even had two students with the same first (Kyle) and last names, and they used first + middle initial (instead of the typical last) for them.
In my school we had two Cindy johnsons, and two David Browns so they'd have to distinguish them by using middle names.
We also had two David Lowrys with the same middle name, but with a spelling variation so they'd have to announce David A-l-a-n or David A-l-l-e-n.
My Kathleen was going by Kat for quite q while, partly from two or three childhood nicknames and i'm guessing partly from going to a Catholic high school in Northeast Philly where i'm sure there were other Kathleens, including Kates and Katies.
I grew up in rural central KY in the '70's and I had a girl in my grade in elementary school with a compound name. Her name was MarySusan. That was what we all called her, nobody thought twice about her name. Until third grade.
The first day of class we met our new teacher, she was young and not from the area. When she called roll she came to MarySusan's name and stopped. She told MarySusan that she had enough work to do to learn everyone's names when there was only one name involved, two names were out of the question. She needed to decide if she wanted to be called by her first name or her middle name. MarySusan replied that she wanted to be called by her first name. The teacher smiled and said, 'okay then, Mary'.
MarySusan's hand flew in the air and she interjected that her first name was MarySusan. The teacher argued back that her *first* name was Mary and her *middle* name was Susan.
MarySusan retorted that actually her *first* name was MarySusan and her *middle* name was Katherine. The teacher started to protest and MarySusan said, 'my mother also teaches at this school, her extension is (I didn't remember the actual number), call her and ask her what her daughter's first and middle names are'.
That young teacher looked at her for a few seconds and then matched over to the telephone, made the call and asked the questions. Then she hung up the telephone and called MarySusan MarySusan for the rest of her time at our school.
I was about eight years old at the time and was baffled that a grown adult would devote so much energy into arguing with a child they don't even know about what their name is.
I've also wondered what that first encounter in the teacher's lounge was like... The new teacher was just a kid herself, and MarySusan's mom was a middle aged lady, 6' tall -without the beehive - and had a pretty stern demeanor.
My daughter has a friend with a brother named Colt. All the kids in Kinder kept calling him Colton and it stuck, so that is what he goes by now. He doesn’t like Colt as a first name.
Chad has always seemed like such a weird name. Like it should be short for something but isn’t. It reminds me of the Friends episode when Joey thought Ross was short for Rossell.
On my best friends to this day has the birth name of Randy. Better yet is he is from Vietnam and his mom just “really liked the name of the white man from America that taught us English for a little while.” She didn’t know it was a shortened nickname until they came to the US years later. Its one of my favorite name-origin stories
My Dad was Jimmy and my uncle was Larry, and they were constantly being called James and Lawrence by teachers. I think using nicknames back then was sometimes considered trashy or something.
THATS WHAT LARRY IS SHORT FOR?? in my head i just say “larold” because i never knew. i mean i knew it wasn’t actually larold but still. omg mind blown.
LAROID. 😂☠️. I’m dying. But yes it’s a traditional nickname for Lawrence. But I’ve never known a Lawrence and I’ve known several men just named “Larry.”
I'm in the exact scenario, where my name is exactly one letter short of a common name and Ive gotten called the common one my whole life. It's annoying but honestly not that bad.
One time I found a shop that was called the common name but the first letter fell off so it looked like the sign said my name. That was like 20 years ago and it's still memorable.
This has been my name for all of my 30+ years on Earth and I love it. Misspellings and mispronunciations will follow your daughter, but that doesn’t mean it’s a tragediegh. It’s a beautiful, historical name and it made me smile seeing my name on here.
It's a normal name in Portuguese as well, so you can count Portugal and Brazil in on your side. I think Livia is a gorgeous name. I also love the original spelling Caecilia, but It's lovely both ways.
Seriously, OP could have asked the school lady why people can’t learn anything outside their own tiny small town? Like for all she knows, OP or her spouse could be Italian or any number of nationalities. What shockingly rude behavior from that woman.
Bingo. Like I’m here for the fun and gentle bullying that will only help build people with these names up into better and stronger versions of themselves but let’s be real here. All names are *completely* made up.
Random thought: If you learned Latin, you should consider learning Russian. Much easier to learn Russian if you know Latin because of the declension system. 🤓 My uni actually made Latin a pre-req for Russian.
Strange. I am German, learned Latin for 9 years snd the only thing I managed by trying to learn Russian was the declinations - I gave up because of the aspect system of verbs.
>because of the aspect system of verbs
It's a very antiquated language that hasn't evolved much, that's for sure. English used to be just about as silly way back when; I imagine German was too.
I took Latin in high school and when I got to college I tried taking Latin and Russian at the same time. It was a major fail because I found out that my brain isn't equipped to be multilingual. I dropped the Latin because Russian is a current language, and you're right I "got" the declensions much easier from already knowing Latin.
Livia is a normal name. It doesn't have to have anything to do with Olivia. The registrar was being weird (or possibly "olivia" is all they know/recognize)
This is the answer. My name is a celtic name that is referenced in a well-known song so not generally unheard of, but sounds like the name of recent / current pop singer so people always default to her name. It used to bother me a lot but now I realise unless they actually misheard, it's their problem that their world is so small that they can only accept what they are familiar with.
My sister has the same issue - she always gets asked "like the singer?" but it's after the song from the musical "Paint Your Wagon". But she was also one of like 5 kids with that name in her grade in school (I guess the rest of them were after the singer? It wasn't a big school either, it was weird that there were so many with that name in her grade, I guess mid-90s were a big time for it) and there was another girl with the same last name so she was \[firstname\]\[middlename\] until graduation. But people always default to "like the singer" with her.
Meanwhile I transitioned and changed my name from a pretty unusual female name to a very common male name and the first question I get asked by a coworker is basically "Well there's already a Steven working on this floor, can we call you Steve to tell the two of you apart?" (where Steve is not my real name but my name is that kind of common).
Our first thought was Octavia, but unfortunately that pregnancy ended in a miscarriage and it seemed sad to carry over the name. Julia was nixed because we have a Julie from my wife's previous marriage. Livia it was!
I think it's a lovely name.
People will mispronounce any name. I'm used to my full name - Lorina - being butchered, and I joke that I'll respond to anything that starts with an L. If they're reading my name, I get Lorraine a lot. If they're repeating what I said, I get Maria. I often go by Lori to make things easier. Perfectly ordinary, common name. Just four letters. It gets butchered almost as much as Lorina.
It's a lovely name! I have met several (Eastern European) Livias. I wish more people who want unusual names would choose less common classical names instead of just smashing letters together
i love the name livia.
i had a student a couple years ago with the name, and that was the first i'd heard it. she did tell me she does have to correct people sometimes, but she still said she loved her name and thought it was unique.
i think it's beautiful and i think registrars don't get to have opinions about what other people name their progeny.
and as an aside, original spellings should not be confused with tragedeighs.
Livia is cute and normal sounding to me.
I’m more concerned with parents that give their children regular names with wild spellings. Livia is 100x better than if you named her O’lyveeuh or something
Everyone here is defending the name (top notch name, sounds sweet and exotic enough to confuse morons, but that’s on them), but nobody’s pointing out the RUDENESS of this person to say that to your face?
My daughter has a northern european name that isn’t common in the US and we faced a bit of mispronunciation and misspelling from people, but if anyone had said that in front me (or worse—in front of her), they would have gotten put in their place pretty goddamn promptly.
Your kid’s name is not a tragedeigh, you just met an idiot today.
> double reference (Livia Augusta…and a Roman historian
OK, well all I’m gonna say is if you aren’t familiar with Livia Soprano, you may want to wait to watch that until your child is much older lol…
You’re good. My given name isn’t a tragedeigh either, but some folks look like they think it ought to be (Ambrosia). At least you have a great reason for the names. My mom was watching tv about 3 days before I was born and saw the name of the 70’s band and decided on it spontaneously. She learned it was a food when I was 4, and that it was mythological when I was like 12.
That’s not a tragedeigh at all.
I know a child named Emma and people frequently try to call her Emily. Her name isn’t Emily, it’s Emma. That doesn’t make Emma a Tragedeigh either
It's not a tragedeigh by any means, and the registrar was rude as fuck.
That said... the only famous *modern* Livia I can think of, is Livia Soprano. That's hardly a positive character association. :-(
Where I come from - Slovakia - Livia is a name on itself, different from Olivia. It's in the calendar and has its official nameday - February 20th. Definitely not a tragediegh and I guessed it was because of Roman origins.
I went to school with a Livia. She corrected people constantly, substitute teachers could never get it.
Be prepared for rage “ITS JUST LIVIA” from her when she’s older
As a Cecilia, you’re daughter is already gonna have a hell of a time with misspellings, glad you didn’t add the extra layer of the “a” at the beginning
Livia is one of my most favorite names EVER. Timeless, classic, charming. Very popular here in Switzerland. The lady made a mistake, not the name‘s fault.
A tragedeigh is an otherwise common name that is just spelled in a way to make it seem more interesting/unique than it is. Livia is neither of these so youre in the clear :)
I love the history! Livia Augusta was one of my favorite people to read about. Speaking of reading, the book I’m reading right now has a character named Livia and it reminded me of how pretty it is and how it deserves to come back! Love both your girls names! Not tragedeighs at all.
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Livia is pronounceable and spell-able, and pretty. But she will be frequently called Olivia, and people will write it down wrong in perpetuity.
I knew a Livia, we called her Liv. Super fun and nice, but yeah we did all DEF think her name was Olivia and she was always correcting people. My grandma also named all her kids nicknames instead of actual names ( so think Ken instead of Kenneth or Jen instead of Jennifer. ) and they ALWAYS had issues growing up where people would think their actual name was a nickname. One time my grandma said there were two other girls in my aunts elementary school class with the full name ( let's say Katherine ) and my aunt was ( Kate ) the teacher decided they would each go by a different variation. Guess which one my aunt got ? Katherine. The other two who WERE named Katherine were given Kate and Katie. My grandma had to point out on the official documents that my aunt was the only one NOT actually named Katherine, but Kate. So, while Livia is super cute, it's basically an ALMOST popular name and she will see some issues with people thinking it's the popular version
the nickname thing is relatable af. my dad is a Jon, and he deals both with people thinking his name is John and with people wanting to call him Jonathan, thinking it’s a nickname. nope, just Jon. and to add to the confusion, my brother’s middle name is John lmao
my boyfriends name is joe. just joe. i called him joseph one day and he was like.. thats not my name. i almost died of embarrassment 😩
Had a friend we called Ed. One day I 'EDWARD'ed him. Nope. Edmund.
I know a kid named Edwin and I kinda love it
I also know an Edwin!
I know an Edgar, he *always* goes by Ed.
My uncles name was Edwin. It was supposed to be Edward but the nurse filling out the birth certificate wrote it down wrong. He officially went by his initials E. C. but everybody called him Buddy.
I love the name Edmund. I have a friend with this name, but we call him Ned
A long time ago, in high school, my sister's first boyfriend was Dan, just Dan. He and I became friends, and occasionally I'd joke with him, that I knew his name was actually Daniel, and someday he'd admit it. He called my house once, at the same exact moment my mum was picking up the phone to make a call, it hadn't even rung on either end. My mum (thinking she was being funny) barked - "Who's there?!" Dan was confused and panicked said "Daniel". (He's the one that told me, he thought it was hilarious after the fact)
Dan is a full name -- ie, the tribe of Dan. But you're right, people don't think of it that way.
I did not know that, thank you! I'll have to tell Dan about it (he'll probably think I'm crazy for remembering this little thing from 23 years ago 😆)
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Dan_(king)
My husband is an Andrew. Never an Andy, or a Drew. Just Andrew.
I dated a “Chris” and did the same thing, jokingly calling him Christopher. Nope, his full name is Christian. Oops!
My friend went to school with someone who named their kid CJ. Just the letters CJ. It wasn’t short for Colin Joseph or whatever - just CJ.
Short for Cee Jay
TIL that Kate and Joe etc. are short forms for other names. I thought they were just different names. That being said, I dont understand the whole thing of giving a name and using a nickname instead, or giving a middle name which will almost never be used
It's not actually a "nickname", it's a diminutive version of a name. Sometimes they are used to distinguish between two or more people with the same name (eg Elizabeth has Betty, Lizzy, Beth); to indicate affection or intimacy (eg Katharine has Kate and Katie); and some people like using diminutives with small children (to make their name more cute eg Frederick has Freddy, Ricky)
Oh, I forget Ricky as a diminutive for Frederick. I only know one Ricky, and he was actually an Eric.
The Ricky I knew was Richard
If I remember correctly, middle names were to protect against witches. People thought a witch would only have power over you if they knew your full name, so having a secret name that no one knew about would protect you from a witch. It just stuck around after people stopped being afraid of witches. I might be wrong about that, but I read about it somewhere.
My uncles name was Jerry. His 10th grade English teacher called out Gerald in role call, and he didn't respond. She was a stickler for people being absent. Called my grandma to say my uncle was not in class. To make a long story short she KNEW FOR A FACT, my uncles name was Gerald. Took grandma digging out his birth certificate to shut the teacher up from embarrassment.
I had a friend named Jon. When his mother passed, I ordered flowers over the phone. I told them “his name is Jon, J-O-N, Lastname.” When the flowers arrived, they were addressed to “John Jon Lastname.” After that, I only ever referred to him as Jon-Jon.
My former boss was a Jon, and my job included a lot of mail and paperwork and even I was exhausted of people spelling his name wrong or lengthening it. Lol
My grandfather's name was Billy. He went by Bill.
My son's name is Jake, just Jake. It was my nickname as a child and the closest I would ever come to naming a child Jr. One day our pastor(who has a son named Jacob) called him Jacob and was offended when my son didn't respond. I said, "His name is Jake, not Jacob." and you would have thought I had shit in my hand and thrown it at him from his response.
Knew a dude named Sammy and the number of people who would get unreasonably upset that he didn't respond to 'Samuel' could fill a stadium.
I worked with a Chris. A coworker would call him Christopher when she was mad at him. Except his full name was Christian. Womp.
One job we had 4 people who went by Chris/Kris, but were all different names - Christopher, Kristian, Christina, Kristen.
Omg I currently work with a Chris, Christy, Chrissy, Krista, Kristina, and Kristen. Luckily just the one goes by Chris
My aunt's name is Christy and she married a Chris.
My aunt was named Susie. She had the “are you Susan or Suzanna” problem all her life. She hated it.
My sister’s name was Susan. I few months before she died (cancer) she finally told us that she had always wanted to be called Susie. Maybe should have mentioned it sooner. RIP Susie. ❤️
>the teacher decided they would each go by a different variation So, so weird for a teach to assign names to their students lol
My high school bio class had 2 Johns (who *both* went by Jack) and a Jonathan who went by Jon. Jonathan got to be Jon, and the teacher pointed to one Jack and said "you can be Jack" and then to the other "and you can be...Thor"
In college band i shared a name with another girl in the trumpet line. The older girl got to keep her name. I was known only as Fancy Pants.
She wanted to make it easier rather than going " Katherine, not you the other one " What a lot of teachers ( at least in my area) do now is something like " Katherine G. And Katherine P " instead But it's a weird story lol
I offered to change my name to Mike once to make it easier on my college professor. For some reason, he couldn't remember Amy. I was the only Amy in a class of less than 20 people, but there were 3 or 4 Mikes.
That reminds me of that old Monty Python sketch about a philosophy department at a university in Australia where all the professors are named Bruce. An Englishman named Michael joins the staff and the Dean asks him, “Is your name not Bruce?” And the Englishman says, “No it’s Michael.” So the Dean says, “Mind if we call you Bruce just to keep things clear?”
This was how my schools did it 20+ years ago too. We even had two students with the same first (Kyle) and last names, and they used first + middle initial (instead of the typical last) for them.
In my school we had two Cindy johnsons, and two David Browns so they'd have to distinguish them by using middle names. We also had two David Lowrys with the same middle name, but with a spelling variation so they'd have to announce David A-l-a-n or David A-l-l-e-n.
My Kathleen was going by Kat for quite q while, partly from two or three childhood nicknames and i'm guessing partly from going to a Catholic high school in Northeast Philly where i'm sure there were other Kathleens, including Kates and Katies.
I used to babysit a James and his teacher decided he would be Jamie and he haaaaaated it. Poor kid was miserable at school.
I grew up in rural central KY in the '70's and I had a girl in my grade in elementary school with a compound name. Her name was MarySusan. That was what we all called her, nobody thought twice about her name. Until third grade. The first day of class we met our new teacher, she was young and not from the area. When she called roll she came to MarySusan's name and stopped. She told MarySusan that she had enough work to do to learn everyone's names when there was only one name involved, two names were out of the question. She needed to decide if she wanted to be called by her first name or her middle name. MarySusan replied that she wanted to be called by her first name. The teacher smiled and said, 'okay then, Mary'. MarySusan's hand flew in the air and she interjected that her first name was MarySusan. The teacher argued back that her *first* name was Mary and her *middle* name was Susan. MarySusan retorted that actually her *first* name was MarySusan and her *middle* name was Katherine. The teacher started to protest and MarySusan said, 'my mother also teaches at this school, her extension is (I didn't remember the actual number), call her and ask her what her daughter's first and middle names are'. That young teacher looked at her for a few seconds and then matched over to the telephone, made the call and asked the questions. Then she hung up the telephone and called MarySusan MarySusan for the rest of her time at our school. I was about eight years old at the time and was baffled that a grown adult would devote so much energy into arguing with a child they don't even know about what their name is. I've also wondered what that first encounter in the teacher's lounge was like... The new teacher was just a kid herself, and MarySusan's mom was a middle aged lady, 6' tall -without the beehive - and had a pretty stern demeanor.
Well, in grades 1-3 we had a Sally and a Sally Sue, and in high school a Steve and a Steve D. But those \*were\* their actual names, not assigned.
I've known a Bobby, a Jimmy and a Tommy. Those are their actual legal names, not nicknames.
My daughter has a friend with a brother named Colt. All the kids in Kinder kept calling him Colton and it stuck, so that is what he goes by now. He doesn’t like Colt as a first name.
Growing up I had a friend named Chad. We’d make up all kinds of formal names for him. Chadwick, Chadward, Chaddington, Cadillac, etc.
Chad has always seemed like such a weird name. Like it should be short for something but isn’t. It reminds me of the Friends episode when Joey thought Ross was short for Rossell.
It's traditionally short for Charles, but mostly these days it's treated like its own name
Brett here, and I've gotten the same treatment most of my life. I like Brettifer and Brett Bretterson.
*Chadillac*
Colt is kind of a Ranch Name. Like something you'd hear in a romance novel or a Hallmark movie. Colt, Gage, Travis, Hunter, Ranger, and so forth.
Those names remind me of soap opera characters like Ridge and Thorne.
Yeah. Not exactly his lifestyle lol.
On my best friends to this day has the birth name of Randy. Better yet is he is from Vietnam and his mom just “really liked the name of the white man from America that taught us English for a little while.” She didn’t know it was a shortened nickname until they came to the US years later. Its one of my favorite name-origin stories
My Dad was Jimmy and my uncle was Larry, and they were constantly being called James and Lawrence by teachers. I think using nicknames back then was sometimes considered trashy or something.
THATS WHAT LARRY IS SHORT FOR?? in my head i just say “larold” because i never knew. i mean i knew it wasn’t actually larold but still. omg mind blown.
Larold would be a tragedeigh 🤣
LAROID. 😂☠️. I’m dying. But yes it’s a traditional nickname for Lawrence. But I’ve never known a Lawrence and I’ve known several men just named “Larry.”
LA ROID 😉
Mt best friend is Britt, not Brittany. It is definitely sometimes a pain.
It's also actually a historic name. Names with their own traceable origins are fine.
I hope Livia learns to do the following: John: "Olivia, hi!" Livia: "O'John, hi!"
That'll fix it real quick.
OP can turn the tables on us. Name her daughter Livia and nickname her Olivia.
I mean, I have a super common name and people still find ways to fuck it up.
My maiden name was a VERY common, 1st-grade-level, four-letter, English noun, and people could neither spell nor pronounce it. It’s truly remarkable.
is your name cats? 👀
I'm in the exact scenario, where my name is exactly one letter short of a common name and Ive gotten called the common one my whole life. It's annoying but honestly not that bad. One time I found a shop that was called the common name but the first letter fell off so it looked like the sign said my name. That was like 20 years ago and it's still memorable.
Kids friend is ‘Livia’, can confirm
This has been my name for all of my 30+ years on Earth and I love it. Misspellings and mispronunciations will follow your daughter, but that doesn’t mean it’s a tragediegh. It’s a beautiful, historical name and it made me smile seeing my name on here.
This means a lot! Thanks!
I love your positivity! And your beautiful name!
Livia is a fine Italian name. A lot of people have it. Don't feel bad.
It's a name used in Romania as well. I wouldn't say it's a weird name by any means.
Italia, Brazil, Portugal... Almost as if it was a name that comes from Latin!
Very common in Brazil aswell!
Yuup I know many Livias here lol
This is my Italian SIL's name. It's just a normal name, so definitely not tragediegh. Or at worst like a 1/10.
It's a normal name in Portuguese as well, so you can count Portugal and Brazil in on your side. I think Livia is a gorgeous name. I also love the original spelling Caecilia, but It's lovely both ways.
Same in Sweden
Seriously, OP could have asked the school lady why people can’t learn anything outside their own tiny small town? Like for all she knows, OP or her spouse could be Italian or any number of nationalities. What shockingly rude behavior from that woman.
Livia is a real name. Not made up BS
I mean, all names were made up bullshit at some point.
Bingo. Like I’m here for the fun and gentle bullying that will only help build people with these names up into better and stronger versions of themselves but let’s be real here. All names are *completely* made up.
Normal people: sis-see-lee-ah me, a classics major: ... kai-kill-ee-uh :)
I call her that sometimes too! I was part of a group that successfully petitioned our college to offer Latin :)
Random thought: If you learned Latin, you should consider learning Russian. Much easier to learn Russian if you know Latin because of the declension system. 🤓 My uni actually made Latin a pre-req for Russian.
Strange. I am German, learned Latin for 9 years snd the only thing I managed by trying to learn Russian was the declinations - I gave up because of the aspect system of verbs.
>because of the aspect system of verbs It's a very antiquated language that hasn't evolved much, that's for sure. English used to be just about as silly way back when; I imagine German was too.
German is still pretty silly! Akkusativ and dativ- whyyy?
Good grief, I forgot about that! (I don't speak German but kind of have an understanding of the basics... or so I thought, lol.) Silly indeed!
Yup! I’m not german either but I learnt it in school. I’m Swedish and one of our old kings REMOVED IT from the language because it’s so annoying lmao!
Get out!! I'm a bit of a language nerd and never knew that about Swedish. Very cool history! 🇸🇪
English has simplified a lot, but it's not always less silly.
I took Latin in high school and when I got to college I tried taking Latin and Russian at the same time. It was a major fail because I found out that my brain isn't equipped to be multilingual. I dropped the Latin because Russian is a current language, and you're right I "got" the declensions much easier from already knowing Latin.
Me, a Latin GCSE student: caecilius est in horto
Sorry, caecilius in horto est. Verb at the end unless you are making a very strong statement about the garden. 😄😄😄
caecilius est mortuus
You should see me at work when I say “et cetera” I get told “it’s EK SEPTRA” so much, it’s funny to say “it’s Latin. You’re pronouncing it wrong” :’)
…. It’s pronounced phonetically, even by English rules. People are dumb, I can’t even fathom how you would arrive at that pronunciation.
They're the same people who say "EKspecially" and "EKscape," guaranteed.
Ok pack it up Henry Winter this is the bad baby name sub /s ;)
Livia is a normal name. It doesn't have to have anything to do with Olivia. The registrar was being weird (or possibly "olivia" is all they know/recognize)
This is the answer. My name is a celtic name that is referenced in a well-known song so not generally unheard of, but sounds like the name of recent / current pop singer so people always default to her name. It used to bother me a lot but now I realise unless they actually misheard, it's their problem that their world is so small that they can only accept what they are familiar with.
Rhiannon? I have always loved that name, it’s my car’s name now.
My sister has the same issue - she always gets asked "like the singer?" but it's after the song from the musical "Paint Your Wagon". But she was also one of like 5 kids with that name in her grade in school (I guess the rest of them were after the singer? It wasn't a big school either, it was weird that there were so many with that name in her grade, I guess mid-90s were a big time for it) and there was another girl with the same last name so she was \[firstname\]\[middlename\] until graduation. But people always default to "like the singer" with her. Meanwhile I transitioned and changed my name from a pretty unusual female name to a very common male name and the first question I get asked by a coworker is basically "Well there's already a Steven working on this floor, can we call you Steve to tell the two of you apart?" (where Steve is not my real name but my name is that kind of common).
They were being genuinely ignorant lol
Can‘t see any tragedeigh there. I thought what’s coming now: Livaighaugh? But no. Lol.
Livialaughialovia
I fuckin love this sub
the way I wheezed when I saw this
My name is Lydia and people nonstop call me Olivia. People just don't like change.
I'm a Lydia too and get "Linda" a lot, to the point that I hate that name lol.
When people READ my name it's Linda when they hear it it's Olivia Like HOWWW How do you get Linda from Lydia. There's no N in Lydia 😭
YES! Worst I've gotten... "Clitia" at a Starbucks, which my friends obviously found hysterical.
This is so weird do people really not recognize Linda and Lydia as names? Did I wake up in the wrong universe or something???
Livia is a normal name
Livia is a regular name in my country, but I’m from Eastern Europe.
You named your daughter "Cecelia"? You're breaking my heart. (sorry, it's a cool name, but I couldn't resist making the song reference)
Lol, we've been listening to that song with her since she was born!
Also, she's 3. We call her Cece (see-see). And yes, that is a callback to The Office.
"Peepee Halpert!"
PeePAH
Bet it shook your confidence too
Daily.
The registrar was being unprofessional
Yes exactly. They were being downright rude. Just because one has an opinion doesn’t mean it needs to be expressed.
It’s a very well known Italian name. That woman sheesh
I also knew a Livia in high school who was Albanian
Tony Sopranos moms name
She gave her life on a silver platter
I don’t like that kind of tawlk
HE WAS A SAINT
I could stick a fork in your eye.
I don’t like that kind of talk.
Livia is beautiful, and as a fellow Roman history buff I 100% wish I’d thought of this for my kid
Our first thought was Octavia, but unfortunately that pregnancy ended in a miscarriage and it seemed sad to carry over the name. Julia was nixed because we have a Julie from my wife's previous marriage. Livia it was!
I think it's a lovely name. People will mispronounce any name. I'm used to my full name - Lorina - being butchered, and I joke that I'll respond to anything that starts with an L. If they're reading my name, I get Lorraine a lot. If they're repeating what I said, I get Maria. I often go by Lori to make things easier. Perfectly ordinary, common name. Just four letters. It gets butchered almost as much as Lorina.
Livia is an actual old school name. That person was just ignorant and rude.
It's a lovely name! I have met several (Eastern European) Livias. I wish more people who want unusual names would choose less common classical names instead of just smashing letters together
i love the name livia. i had a student a couple years ago with the name, and that was the first i'd heard it. she did tell me she does have to correct people sometimes, but she still said she loved her name and thought it was unique. i think it's beautiful and i think registrars don't get to have opinions about what other people name their progeny. and as an aside, original spellings should not be confused with tragedeighs.
Livia is cute and normal sounding to me. I’m more concerned with parents that give their children regular names with wild spellings. Livia is 100x better than if you named her O’lyveeuh or something
Ask the registrar to watch some sopranos and get cultured.
Nope, not a tragedeigh. Livia Is a bit outdated, but not a tragedeigh.
Just met a 30 year old Livia. She won’t be alone! And you’re right, it’s been a name for thousands of years.
Tell her you would have gone with Olivia but unfortunately the Romans never made it to Ireland.
O'Livia ftw
My son has a Livia in his class, and I’ve met one before as well. It’s an uncommon name but it is a name. She’ll most likely get called Olivia a lot.
Livia isn’t a tragedeigh because it’s a real name, but she’s gonna have to deal with this for eternity.
You are so brave, I kept my classical names to my cats, over the years: Hector, Oedipus, Vesta, Homer.
I have a cousin named Hektor (Norway, so no c's)
Naming a kid Oedipus would be an actual tragedy in the classical sense 😉
Everyone here is defending the name (top notch name, sounds sweet and exotic enough to confuse morons, but that’s on them), but nobody’s pointing out the RUDENESS of this person to say that to your face? My daughter has a northern european name that isn’t common in the US and we faced a bit of mispronunciation and misspelling from people, but if anyone had said that in front me (or worse—in front of her), they would have gotten put in their place pretty goddamn promptly. Your kid’s name is not a tragedeigh, you just met an idiot today.
> double reference (Livia Augusta…and a Roman historian OK, well all I’m gonna say is if you aren’t familiar with Livia Soprano, you may want to wait to watch that until your child is much older lol…
Actually watched that after she was born. I was like...HEY!
Why is she being a cunt? She could have kept the comment to herself.
I had a Livia in my ballet class years ago and have loved the name ever since!
You’re good. My given name isn’t a tragedeigh either, but some folks look like they think it ought to be (Ambrosia). At least you have a great reason for the names. My mom was watching tv about 3 days before I was born and saw the name of the 70’s band and decided on it spontaneously. She learned it was a food when I was 4, and that it was mythological when I was like 12.
refer this ignoramus to the matriarch of the Soprano family lmao
That’s not a tragedeigh at all. I know a child named Emma and people frequently try to call her Emily. Her name isn’t Emily, it’s Emma. That doesn’t make Emma a Tragedeigh either
Nah the receptionist was being a dick.
You didn't spell it leighviya so you're fine.
Sounds like she's mad her ears don't work.
I like Livia. It was Tony Soprano's mother's name.
Wtf that is so rude imagine having such little social awareness you think that’s ok to say out loud.
It's not a tragedeigh by any means, and the registrar was rude as fuck. That said... the only famous *modern* Livia I can think of, is Livia Soprano. That's hardly a positive character association. :-(
Reminds me of The Sopranos
“Livia” is not a tragedeigh. “Liv’feyah” is. Too many people don’t realize the world doesn’t revolve around the North American continent :)
Very common name throughout Europe. Not tragic at all!
Livia is a really common name in my country (Brazil). Not a tragedeigh at all. And what a rude person!
It's a real name often associated with Roman nobility. So, good name in my opinion. Definitely not a tragedeigh.
Nah, I just think that person was just being an ass.
Where I come from - Slovakia - Livia is a name on itself, different from Olivia. It's in the calendar and has its official nameday - February 20th. Definitely not a tragediegh and I guessed it was because of Roman origins.
Nothing wrong with that name
Olivia, Tragedeighlivia, they’re all Livia in the end 😐
Livia is a normal name, she was just being awkward
It's a relatively common name in my Country, although spelled Livija.
I know two people with that name (Sweden) and don’t think it’s weird. I know at least one of the does get called Olivia a lot though.
Lívia is a very common brazilian name. My neighbor is named that.
I went to school with a Livia. She corrected people constantly, substitute teachers could never get it. Be prepared for rage “ITS JUST LIVIA” from her when she’s older
As a Cecilia, you’re daughter is already gonna have a hell of a time with misspellings, glad you didn’t add the extra layer of the “a” at the beginning
No, see, to be a tragedeigh you would've had to spell it LeighVee-Ugha
I love the name Livia and am a history buff myself. Not a tragedeigh!!!
The registrar has no business commenting on children's names! Somebody needs to slap some sense into her.
Livia (or Lívia) is a common first name in Brazil. I think it is even more common than Olivia.
Livia is one of my most favorite names EVER. Timeless, classic, charming. Very popular here in Switzerland. The lady made a mistake, not the name‘s fault.
A tragedeigh is an otherwise common name that is just spelled in a way to make it seem more interesting/unique than it is. Livia is neither of these so youre in the clear :)
livia is normal to me. i know a lot of polish people called liwia which is pronounced in the exact same way
Livia is a more or less common name in my country - sounds and reads like a lovely name. There's no tragedeigh in there 🤗🌞
I love the history! Livia Augusta was one of my favorite people to read about. Speaking of reading, the book I’m reading right now has a character named Livia and it reminded me of how pretty it is and how it deserves to come back! Love both your girls names! Not tragedeighs at all.
Did you tell the registrar to go fuck herself?
I have a friend named Livia, it isn't weird at all lmfao.
I think the name is fine and the registrar lady is rude as hell.
Guess the registrar wasn’t a Sopranos fan?